Thread 213665722

Why do they use this excuse for everything

>>213665722 (OP)
They dont have hands and pencils?

Just like the space shuttle.

>>213665760
Depressing

Are there other areas where our civilization has lost the capabilities we had in the past?
The arts seem to have lost some artisanal aspects but are there more practical areas where human technology has got worse?
I read that we no longer have the tech to do a moon landing

>>213665722 (OP)
This is just a lie cause they're lazy faggots.

>>213665770
They do but they don’t have the budget to make a show using them
Look at how older houses are compared to newer ones in countries like the UK and the US
It’s technically still possible to produce things the old way but even the old way couldn’t yield the volume our market demands and even if it could, we no longer have the industrial base to support those methods

>>213665722 (OP)
Koreans don't exist anymore?

>>213665760
>it doesnt exist
>headline over yet? you got that? ok cool
>actually yes it does
>but profit margins need to go up
fucking jews man

Fucking lazy retards. We don't want you to recreate the old style, we just don't want you to fucking tween every arm movement like it's Adobe Flash. Holy fucking shit how hard can it be to draw a few more unique frames for scenes that didn't look that good and add them in afterwards, it's fucking digital animation, you can literally just go to the damn frame and edit it at any time. Fuck, every industry is going down the shitter.

>>213665722 (OP)
How is everything getting worse? Technology supposedly improves and yet the net results are worse and it feels this way across the board in virtually every industry. That doesn't make any sense. What is with this cultural and societal stagnation?

>>213665785
Animation has consistently gotten worse on all fronts. Japan, for example, now struggled to find animators that can do mechanical detail, animals and other minor things you'd take for granted.

Hell, they currently can't do 2d mechanical shows anymore since most of the people who have experience with drawing robots are either retiring without passing on their skills, or the designs are too complex to animate on 2d.

>>213665834
It’s because improvements in “productivity” like AI actually make us lazier, more stupid, and more reliant on automation
The younger generation doesn’t even have the tools to maintain the automation as it exists and we keep building higher order abstractions on top of it to make things easier

Shooting on film will be considered "impossible" in your lifetime

>>213665834
The ability to surveil you has improved.

>>213665722 (OP)
>>213665760
This is what happens when you don’t pass on the skills to a new generation.

>>213665842
Patlabor and macros still look amazing.

>>213665722 (OP)
Toy Story ruined everything.

>>213665907
Truly things just keep getting worse.

>>213665785
>I read that we no longer have the tech to do a moon landing
We never had the tech. It was all a hoax for boomers with ridiculously small TVs.

>>213665870
Knowing how to use lighting or staging is already basically lost

>>213665722 (OP)
>a pencil?

>>213665770
They probably don't have these anymore

>>213665925
Why is there always someone here eager to be a retard and repeat some canned 4chan meme?

>>213665870
Film stock is more or less kept up by indie films now, a large chunk of them is still often shot on film surprisingly. Like every other movie distributed by A24 is shot on film.

The animation is fine...the voice acting however....

>>213665770
Not the pencils anon, the capture machines
Everything is digital now

>>213665722 (OP)
What are some other examples of "lost technology"?

>>213665722 (OP)
lying retard covering his ass, other retards will eat it up

>>213665834
The majority of people are all fucking retards and freedom has been slowly removed from them in the virtual world, so when they see something shiny they clap.

You ever noticed how Youtube has fuck all in the way of filtering? Like you click search options and it's just select video length from 3 presets?
Or how Facebook and social media in general has basically no way to customise your home page/feed? And everything is just controlled by algorithm THEY determine what you want to see? Like I have one friend who constantly fucking reposts dumb shit all day every day, but I can't just turn off reposts from him, I have to either hide everything he posts or nothing.

Everything has been minimalised and customisation has been stripped away. Remember when Apple got real popular with their minimalist shit/lack of options? That's everything now.

>>213665991
>nah it can't be done bro that's impossible

>>213665870
Pretty soon we'll forget how to make CD players or cassette players. Top are old ones, bottom are new ones. Notice the difference? The companies that make the new ones literally can't replicate what Sony and other companies did 20 years ago but most of that is due to funding and interest

>>213665991
It's not "lost"
It's like CRT's, they're not really created anymore and it's prohibitively expensive to make more now

BENCIL

old ass newground digital animations made by singular people had more soul than these animated tv shows, so digital being flat and lifeless is no excuse.
It literally is all about the pipeline, since digital is faster and cheaper, they want it made faster, they don't want any extra time and money spent on it.

>>213665722 (OP)
>>213665760
this is completely fucking retarded and disingenuous of him, the last few seasons of the original show were digitally animated and there's no reason why they can't just use that workflow again. when people say the show looks ugly now they're referring to the nasty janky puppet animation

>>213665952
>WE CAN GO TO THE MOON WHENEVER! it's just uhhh we can't now because .... it's expensive and shit.

>>213665760
it's unironically over for the west. brown hoards swarm the borders, media is pozzed more than ever, beauty is dying. The west is a sinking ship and we are captives to its demise, waiting and watching as creativity, ingenuity and freedom dissolves and the impending doom consumes us whole.

everyone is blaming this fag but the fact is he went to work one day and said
>okay so are we keeping the artwork the same?
and his bean counter boss said
>the simpsons saves 1.3% annually switching to digital, no you can't use the old artstyle

and that's fucking that.

>>213666013
>cassette players
Oh ho ho, my friend, we've already reached that point.
Practically every modern cassette player you can buy has the exact same budget mass produced Tanashin mechanism inside. They were designed for cheap shit, so they're built cheaply and sound like shit, but anyone who puts out a cassette player, no matter how expensive or "luxury" has no option but to use one, since it's all they can get in current year.

>>213665760
>the tools to do it correctly actually do exist but we don't actually care about the quality of our product to spend the extra money it'd cost to make it right

Sums up American corporations in a nutshell.

>>213665834
Limitations breed creativity. Limitations make the things you have more enjoyable.
Something as simple as music was more enjoyable when you would have this little piece of shit device that could store 12 songs. You would pick the absolute best 12 songs and appreciate that you even get to hear them. Now you have infinite slop at your fingertips, you don't have to worry about storage space and vet the songs. You no longer need standards.

There are small things that add up.
Artists become worse because in the past you couldn't make mistakes when drawing, but now you can make as many mistakes as you want and then just erase it digitally.
You no longer need people who are specialized in coloring. It's too much work for one person to draw an image by hand and then color it, so you would have 1 guy who is insanely good at drawing the outline and 1 good who is insanely good at coloring. Now you can easily color the drawing with a bucket tool and you don't need to be good at coloring.
There are thousands of little things that all add up to make things less enjoyable, lower quality, more cheap looking etc.

>>213666010
This

I don't understand why all digital animation looks so flat. Even anime. Look at anime from 20+ years ago it's almost 3D in a way, although that's a poor descriptor since I just don't know any other words.

>>213666189
Cel animation is quite literally 3d because its stacking various things on top of each other to produce the effect. I imagine once you go digital, the inherent depth is lost and when they try and recreate it, it's not as convincing

>>213665752
I know, right? It's like there is some concerted effort to promote /loss/

>>213666185
This anon is right.

>>213666211
True. Digital tools can reproduce everything except for the effect that you get by photographing layered cels.

They did for Beavis and Butthead

>>213666211
One thing I noticed in cel animation which gives it SOVL is the very minuscule colour differences/texture of stuff.
Like modern digital stuff you just click a colour and click the thing and boom it's all one solid colour, but look at her shirt for example. I'm not talking about shadows, but like the solid white is physically painted on there, so it has imperfections and natural tiny differences/shading that gives it more life. Like if you stuck that image in MSpaint and tried to fill the shirt with the paint bucket, it wouldn't do much, but if you screenshot a modern animation and do it, it would fill a significant amount of it (depending on image source quality/resolution).

>>213666010
What drives these changes? My conspiracy brain immediately jumps to 'social control', but I am curious if there is a more substantiated answer.

>>213666040
You ever play 'Dad and Me' on Newgrounds? Fond memories.

>>213666316
Money, ultimately.
Keep everyone stupid and remove options/abilities, and they'll be easier to control and milk.
It's like how [insert company here] has to update their website/program every other week, and put dumb shit in nobody wants, or change stuff and rearrange shit; and at first it pisses you off but eventually you just live with it, and then they do it all over again next week.

>>213665760
I smell BULLSHIT

>>213666316
>>213666362
IMO it's not money. These people have money upon money. Once you have money you find there's nothing to do, so you start to enact change. The overly rich throughout human history have always been the movers of the state and policy.

The distortion comes from an international class that is filled with lies and deceit.

Look into the infamous Decree by Napoleon.

>>the "third decree," presumed all Jews guilty of chicanery (the use of trickery to achieve a political, financial, or legal purpose) unless they were proven innocent

>>213665785
Nearly all software but that's arguably "intentionally" bad and filled with "features" like spyware and bloat

>>213666316
https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/adl-statement-youtube-policy-changes-reduce-extremist-content

https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/our-ongoing-work-to-tackle-hate/

>>213666303
no, the modern beavis and butthead reboot uses similar techniques to modern KotH but it looks better there for some reason

>>213666661
when people talk in Do the Universe, the heads seem to shake a little.

>>213665722 (OP)
Just like the moon landing.

We lost the technology, okay!!!

There is a way to recreate the original animation style, but people won't like it.

It's AI.

>>213665722 (OP)
That still doesn't excuse it looking like a Flash animation.

>>213666069
No one goes back to the moon because there is jack shit worthwhile about the moon. The moon landing's sole purpose was to give the americans something to scream about so they could say 'ACTUALLY WERE THE ONES WHO WON THE SPACE RACE BECAUSE UH MOOON OR WHATEVER' despite the russians beating them on every step of the way and reaching places that remain technological relevant after, like orbit which is heavily used for satellites and internet.

>>213665760
Please be a good goy and eat the synthetic meat

>>213665785
The tech exists and is available for use, but actually gettingetting a human onto the surface of the moon and back alive is a feat of such complexity and expense that no one can do it without years and years of prep work up to and including the designing and construction of a new rocket and lander since the old ones are hopelessly obsolete

>>213665785
All of them

>>213665925
was the dog in space fake too? when will they send another one

>>213666425
Everyone who has more than a certain amount of money will always want more money, its how they end up that rich in the first place

>>213665814
t. retard that voted for trump

"can't use old software because we would have to pirate it"

>>213665722 (OP)
original King of The Hill feels so warm and soulful

>>213665722 (OP)
I predict a revival of the handdrawn animations sometimes soon
as AI and whatnot progresses we will see this kind of artisan work make a huge comeback

>>213666971
Not gonna happen. Enjoy things getting worse forever

Sounds like this retard thinks the question is "why isn't it hand drawn" and not "why does this look like cheap web animation"

>>213665752
I don't think it should matter for any type of movement that has money behind it that can simply buy things, but I have definitely had certain pieces of technology that I went looking for, that I could only find on eBay from reselling collectible collectors

>>213666661
The outlines wiggling as they talk goes a loooong fucking way in making rigged puppets these new systems use not seem so lifeless and sterile. It's the same effect ed edd and eddy used back in the day, only there the animation was actually impressive.

>>213665785
The pyramids of America and Africa

>>213665834
It's a tree where they only keep the strongest branches. Even the offshoots it trimmed if they take away

The original was animated in south Korea, they probably have noone who animates like that working any more.

>>213666874
Julius Caesar took out massive loans , not because he loved money, but because it would give him power.
He later made himself dictator for life. Once you have enough money the reason why you need more money is for control. It's not the lust for the dollar, it's the lust for the power and control. Also religious influences. Desert herders from Arabia conquered the worlds 2 greatest empires and it wasn't because they had more money.

Faith + Money = Ability to change your suburb, City, State, Nation, World .

It's not people being scrooge mcducks, The world zionist congress which ended up causing Israel to exist didn't purely do it for money.

Same for the Poles who constantly agitated a return of a Polish state post the partition between Prussia, Russia and Austria.

>>213665722 (OP)
that's a straight lie they just don't wanna bother to animate every frame themselves

I fucking hope this show fails after 2 seasons

>>213666425
I think that you are right.

>>213665722 (OP)
>koreans dont know how to draw anymore

bull fucking SHIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFOM4XRCN-U

>>213665785
lazy ass production is not "Lost technology" you fucking retard

>>213665810
>everyone wants to be a lazy faggot now
Well then fucking stop. It's legitimately that goddamned simple.

>>213666772
>The moon landing's sole purpose was to give the americans something to scream about so they could say 'ACTUALLY WERE THE ONES WHO WON THE SPACE RACE BECAUSE UH MOOON OR WHATEVER' despite the russians beating them on every step of the way

No shit, that's why we know it was a staged production.

>>213665760
>We could do X with far more primitive technology and an allegedly worse level of diversity and economy
>But with far more diversity, a (((better economy))) and more technology we can't do it anymore
Make it make sense.

>>213665954
Indie means you aren't backed by millionaires like the Blackrock shills from A24.

>>213665752
To get people to stop complaining and asking questions
>well we would do it that way...but we can't

>>213665943
Like you would fucking need that today to make a proper hand drawn animation. They act like they don't use a physical stylus now anyways. What are they doing, loading up Macromedia F8 and dicking around with a mouse and keyboard? Then they aren't animators. They're motion rigging faggots.

>>213667201
>the slight cel wobble

>>213665785
Pretty much everything you can imagine. New technology makes it cheaper to make stuff, the old skilled methods of producing it are pushed out of business and lost. Then too late people realize the new product is complete dogshit compared to what it was in the past. But if you want the old quality now you have to pay twice what somebody wouldve paid in the old days because the skill and infrastructure for it has become scarce. Look at stuff like wool, the affordable wool blankets, coats etc they made back in the day, replaced by cheap plastic synthetics, were incomparable to what you can get today without paying absurd prices.

>>213666185
>Now you can easily color the drawing with a bucket tool and you don't need to be good at coloring.
Anyone who doesn't just want one solid colour is going to have to move past the bucket tool eventually, so not really true. But yeah, shortcuts do indeed make you lazy.

>>213667383
The prices haven't changed at all. The statistical ratios have taken on new form. You think bank notes still have any tangible relation to trade? Kek

>>213665752
because it's not an excuse.

>>213665943
>setup flat drafting desk
>make camera rig
>rig lights
>stick a canon or leica or something in it
>plug it into a laptop
>?????
>profit

>>213667330
everyone agrees that they can't do it lol.
what is your point.

>>213667418
>The prices haven't changed at all. The statistical ratios have taken on new form.
Can you expand on this?

>>213667123
except every anime they all work on

>>213666013
The 8" and 5.25" floppy drive are already a lost technology, despite them functioning extremely similarly to still-produced 3.5" floppy drives.

Boomers didn't want to teach the younger generation their skills because they were afraid they would replace them. instead they were just replaced by pajeets, mexicans and AI.

>>213667428
the actual animation hasnt been made in america since the 70s you fag

>>213667624
the difference is that now the skills are also dead outside america. your autistic screeching about it will change nothing.

>>213667611
In this case, digital animation saved so much money that everything HAS to be animated using CG now. If I'm not mistaken, the last cartoon animated solely using cel animation and hand coloring was Mission Hill from 1999.

>>213667611
actually younger generations also didn't want to learn them, see >>213667428

>>213666014
china still produces CRT's you can buy one right now on aliexpress. you can even build your own since the parts are on there as well

>>213667641
even don hertzfeldt stopped doing hand-animation.

>>213665722 (OP)
They're calling cheap korean laborers "tools"?

>>213667527
>they can't draw lively animation
>just japan, china, korea, all the nickelodeon cartoon specials animated in korea, random youtubers in their basement that mostly do porn commissions
>a network tv IP? nope no can do, can only do soomething worse than hanna barbara. Please watch this show we put less effort than south park into

>>213667656
I think there's a European company that still produces CRTs for museum displays that require them. Color reproduction on a CRT is still unmatched to this day.

>>213667656
They're not produced, they're repurposed old stock

>>213667721
Dotronix also is repurposed tubes
Also CRT's are great but OLED's are better as far as colour goes

>>213665834
Like how I can't read >>213667428 on my phone coz it wants to show a low res version despite my phone being more powerful than my old PC and having 100s of megabits of bandwith.

>>213667428
>Richard (((Williams)))
disregarded

>>213667825
Talking about the tube and gun anon, not the flyback

>>213667825
Anon, the tubes themselves are repurposed, the circuitry running them are new.

>>213665785
Film projection will be lost eventually. Nolan and PTA and Tarantino are doing a lot for preserving it, but they won't live forever and others may not care.

>watch recent anime
>3D cars
>3D gundams
what the fuck happened

>>213667970
CG is cheap and always on model

>>213667970
It used to be if you want cars or trains or robots in your anime, you hire those couple of guys obsessed with drawing and cars/trains/robots and let them loose.
Those guys barely exist now and no one wants to pay them anyway when you can outsource to china/whatever asian shithole does cheapest work nowadays.

>>213667818
DUDE TRIPLE PARENTHESIS LMAO AM I REDPILLED YET

>>213665785
Consumer technology

Nobody has made a decent cassette player in decades

>>213665722 (OP)
What the fuck is this nigger retard saying? Traditional animation is good because it was done on paper (though that helps), it's because EVERY FRAME WAS HAND DRAWN, EVERY SINGLE FRAME WAS DRAWN FROM SCRATCH YOU RETARDED LAZY PIECES OF SHIT, WHY DO YOU THINK JAPAN COMPLETELY SHITS ON YOUR INDUSTRY

>>213668025
Yeah, Richard Williams wasn't even jewish

>>213668037
No anime produced today is done by hand anymore.

>>213666013
Yeah, I'm holding on to my old stuff like that. I'd even like to get some things that were cheap and common just 15 years ago; little mp3 players. Little digital cameras. The ones you can find that are new are SHIT. I need to get to a garage sale or something. Even the smartphones I had 15 years ago were superior. Maybe not the storage or the camera, but the size and the layout and the way you could customize without getting an app for absolutely everything. Solitaire used to come with the phone. And I'd really like a physical keyboard on a phone again. I hate touchscreens.

>>213665760
Couldn't you just re-create the old artstyle digitally?

south park was went to shit because Maya wouldn't run on modern computers and they had to update their hardware.

>>213668107
Maya still exists and runs on modern hardware

>>213668050
Hand drawn =/= drawn on paper you fucking retard. They didn't lose the technology, they lost the skill. France 2D animation completely and utterly fucking mogs murrican animation for a reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdZN8PI3MqM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONzLCdU2IH8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ9duRG5Hrg
All of the above were entirely made by French people. And before you say these are just shorts, 2D show are coming of the same quality next year (including the new avatar show)
Americans lost the talent a long time ago.

>>213667231
>Well then fucking stop. It's legitimately that goddamned simple.
It's not about being lazy dummy, it's because of private equity and other background variables leading to unfavorable consequences.
Mostly it's because companies chase good quarters rather than long term value and no one has been properly punished for doing that.
It leads to a slow downward slide as fewer and increasingly tinier gains in efficiency are being chased, it's almost invisible.
Gains in efficiency and as such an increase in profit should come from better ideas, better methods or better organization instead stockholders or stakeholders whatever they want to call them these days are simply squeezing the stone for blood creating a lie while they cash out.

>>213668101
NOOOO
SHUT UP
SHUT UP
SHUT UPPPPPP

>>213668101
nope. it's a lost technology

>>213665760
>MUHHHHHHHHHH 9/11!!
Damn, so glad that i was born a swiss and not murrican

>>213667641
Ed Ed n Eddy in the West.

>>213667428
>Destroy an entire medium and an essential component of design so you can cater to rich kids that are willing to pay $77k a year to stroke their egos as they pretend to be artists as your churn out graduates that can do precisely nothing.
Disgusting.

>>213668186
Hand drawn but digitally painted

>>213667348
that's not "wobble", it's done on purpose like on Dr. Katz.

>>213665785
Science nerds at the behest of their maters (science dorks have never had an original idea in their lives) have spent decades creating all manner of poisons to add to our food, water and general environment. A generation that grew up eating corn syrup and canola oil is going to have worse genetics including general intelligence that one that grew up eating actual food

>>213668239
>like on Dr. Katz.
Or literally Beavis and Butthead, you know, the thing it's emulating

>>213668279
Dr. Katz was deliberately "squiggly" looking. They even patented it and called it squigglevision. Only the first two seasons of Beavis and Butt-Head appeared squiggly because the animators on staff were extremely inexperienced.

>>213668210
Just for the last season but looks like that's right. Damn that's depressing. Mission Hill held out like a true hipster in the end.

>>213668335
it's a goated cartoon for a reason. they worked their asses off on it

>>213665752
Because it’s true, life isn’t a Civilization game where you research “practical effects” and it’s with you forever, it’s a series of men teaching men how to do something well. It’s why the 90s were replete with gooey monster designs, because Hollywood had like three guys that knew how to do it well. Lord of the Rings had amazing casting because one woman on the casting team was a taskmistress about details. Northrup-Grumman forgot how to make Sidewinder missiles in the early 2020s because they fired or retired all the engineers who did.

Evertything in the Western World is built on “some guy” teaching “some kid” how to do something. It’s the basis for human civilization.

>>213668319
If you watched the video, it has the beavis and butthead title card
Even the camera angles are beavis and butthead

>>213668351
Used to watch it in the middle of the night when I worked graveyard at a bowling alley in the early 00s so it always reminds me of those times. You got me the Dementoid expansion pack!

>>213668256
>food made out of basic elements and molecules is different from food made from basic elements and molecules
There is literally nothing that separates lab grown food from traditionally grown one outside of tech still being shit. We are still very far away from getting there, like century at least, but the whole notion that we shouldn't even try is luddite nonsense.

>>213668437
it's probably the best thing to watch when you're feeling nostalgic for Y2K. nothing comes quite as close

>>213668141
honestly france is just the powerhouse of actually good looking 2D animation for the west currently.I don't know how they did it but they managed to retain and improve on the knowledge that other countries have completely forgotten or are in the process of doing so. Even when lead by an american studio the results are amazing, such as with Primal.
There are a few outsiders like the aussie studio that animated ROTTMNT but it mostly seems to be up to the french to deliver nowadays.

>>213665722 (OP)
>>213665752
>>213665760
same thing with fighting games being 3d because 2d was more expensive
same thing with new films looking like ass

>>213668466
>fighting games
Virtua Figher was developed on military hardware from Lockheed-Martin, it was by no means cheap.

>>213668050
ackshually a lot of it IS still done by hand first and then adapted to digital simply because that's how they feel more comfortable doing it

I can still use all my old programs and games with something like DOSBox but they 'lost' the technology...

>>213668486
I'm not talking about that so much as you know how old fighting games in the arcade like street fighter 2 or marvel vs capcom were 2d sprites? they don't make those anymore because it's cheaper to make 3d models and then just use that with a 2d filter. didn't the new xmen cartoon do that too? Like it's 3d character models with a filter to look 2d

>>213668522
I will say that well done pixel art is a lost artform, as most pixel art from back in the day was produced to take advantage of CRT displays and composite dot crawl.
2D games aren't more expensive to make than 3D games, but the best artists for 2D games are all pretty much retired by now.

>>213668521
>using already made black boxes that just werk is the same as making stuff from scratch
you can't be this retarded

>>213668521
Stop using DOSBox and start using 86Box or PCem

I hate Californians

>>213667636
>the skills are also dead outside america
>pretends anime doesnt exist

>>213668590
Calarts ruined western animation for over a decade now

>>213666894
t. cumguzzling libtard

>>213666310
those imperfections come from the grain and mastering and jpg compression, if you've ever handled cels irl you'd notice that the colors are really quite consistent

So what? Does the new King of the Hill look noticeably worse than the original? I'm not watching it.

>>213668555
>2D games aren't more expensive to make than 3D games
for fighting games at least hand drawing the pixel sprites for the characters is more expensive than making 3d models. that's why all fighting games use 3d models and none of the fighting games have gone back to 2d sprites

>>213668654
The character designs are consistent, but everything else looks off

>>213668555
Wrong, check Earthion or the new Marvel cosmic invasion

>>213668666
checked
also because using 3d lets you move around the camera and include alternate outfits without doubling the work required

>>213665834
Enshittification, when there was competition, studios actually cared but now they don't since they know people will watch their slop

>>213668593
Show me modern anime that is even remotely comparable to Record of Lodoss War animation wise. Hell even fucking GaoGaiGar shits on every modern mecha. And if you want the most obvious point of comparison just watch same scenes in 99 HxH series and 2011 adaptation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOfraznOOzk

>>213668457
Wrong, see cancer rate explode exponentially

>>213668654
>Does the new King of the Hill look noticeably worse than the original?
Yes.

>>213665760
>Literally says watercolor doesn't exist
>>213665814
This
>>213665943
You can't defend them getting rid of them or claiming they do not exist. Also, you can still do the old style digitally.

>>213668793
it would take the indians animating the show way too long to replicate the old style digitally

>>213668051
Holy autism

>>213665834
it's kind of same as it always was. go check out like pre1960s hunting guns. they were way more expensive accounting for inflation but they are so nice compared to the sloppa you get now

>>213668846
boomers "sporterizing" old bolt actions was a crime against humanity

>>213665752
Hollywood/the entertainment industry is the most inept it has been since the 40's war era or 20'a circus and radio show times
Might as well be ancient lost tech really

>>213665722 (OP)
This is like SEGA saying that Generative AI is "impossible to avoid using" like nigga you're the one installing the software on your computers
AAAAAH MY BODY IS BEING COMPELLED TO USE SPECIFIC SOFTWARE

AAAAAAH I CAN'T USE THESE WATERCOLORS THEY DON'T EXIST (they're too expensive)

>>213668846
Is this true? I always thought that guns were the only thing that kept up with inflation. A gun in 1840 bought you the same amount of goods as a gun in 1990.

>>213668897
A gun only holds it's value if you sell it privately. You're lucky to get half when you sell it to a pawn shop or gun store.

>>213665760
oh ok so the answer is just jewish bean counters

>>213665722 (OP)
>>213665760
>>213665785
>>213667428
Complex systems will not survive the competence crisis.

>We can't make the animation good anymore, it's literally impossible
>Meanwhile some fuckin dude with no studio in his basement working alone

>>213668141
Looks like sum faggot nerd shit

>AAAH WE'RE LOSING ACCESS TO TECHNOLOGY
Maybe, but in this specific instance, they're lying about it being impossible.
This isn't an issue of "can't", it's an issue of "won't".

>>213665785
>I read that we no longer have the tech to do a moon landing
We did and even better ones, it just that they can't simply say they don't have anyone competent enough to operate said technology.

>>213668957
At least the engineers weren’t cis white men.

>>213668869
>oh no, a gun that would have been left in a closet or been destroyed or sent to africa is being used to feed people, the horror
I was also talking about like marlin 1893s or model 36s
>>213668897
>>213668914
we live in a time where guns are cheaper than ever. they are also more accurate and have better finishes than ever but if you get like a pre1960s hunting rifle it's like comparing a 1960s corvette to a modern car. Like yeah the modern car is faster and better mtg but the corvette has better build quality.
in the US at least most people didn't own rifles until after wwi or wwii when the milsurp from the wars flooded the market

>>213668893
And by too expensive they mean literally not the cheapest option btw

If they could they use gpt to animate, voice and direct and promote shows as it is nowadays

>>213668782
Duh, because we are still shit at it.

I can color in "watercolor" in fucking clip studio paint.
Obviously it's not the same but skilled enough artists can make it look same enough that only a refined eye for watercolor can notice the difference.
Niggas are literally just lazy.

>>213669000
This, really. As >>213668353 points out the competency crisis really is as simple as “we got rid of the filthy white men, why are the replacements so dogshit?”

What’s baffling is that people are comfortable saying things like, “this chef trained under a world-famous chef, so you know they’re good” but when you get to NASA or air traffic control it suddenly becomes, “they don’t need to train under anyone, a degree proves their value.”

>>213668353
human civilization functioned before now though
we didn't suddenly forget how to create wheels because the Wheel clan died out and took all their knowledge with them
the problem is people today are all self-obsessed corporate puppets with not a single thought for the greater world

>>213665785
>I read that we no longer have the tech to do a moon landing
We "lost" the tech to make stuff like B-52s by scrapping the entire production line despite them still being immensely useful.

>>213668777
even the "shittiest" modern anime isnt nigger rigged computer shit with most awful shitty bobs burger key frames

>>213669128
>we didn't suddenly forget how to create wheels because the Wheel clan died out and took all their knowledge with them

>He doesn’t know.
England was “this” close to forgetting how to make pottery when the Roman Empire collapsed, because amphorae weren’t made on-site and came from other parts of the Empire.

>>213666316
The average person is very VERY stupid anon, half of the population is below 100iq and like 30 are borderline retarded not even counting 3rd world absolute shitholes with billions of nogs like central africa or india

>>213668777
My god you're greasy

>>213665752

What? This nigga ain't got pencils?

>>213669128
>we didn't suddenly forget how to create wheels because the Wheel clan died out and took all their knowledge with them
Greeks forgot how to stack rocks. The term "Cyclopean" became associated with Minoan ruins because the locals couldn't believe their ancestors were able to build structures of such enormity. You can absolutely forget how to make a wheel.

>>213669221
something something COVID something something graphite shortage something something staedtler was bought by a private equity firm run by a jew and theyre graphite cores were changed to save a fraction of a penny while increasing the price and now every pencil acts like one of those shitty chinese novelty pencils where the lead just snaps from looking at it wrong and you constantly have to sharpen it every 5 minutes

>>213669185
but they didn't
if some dipshit briton mud farmers can manage to pass information around before printing or phones I'm sure we could have figured it out

>>213669281
thats because the giants died out, clearly

>>213667231
It's not 'us' being goddamn subhumans, it's all about the people that go along with it and executives
>i didn't retire to wake up at noon like onw of those nepo-babeaas

>>213669281
What?
That’s not the reason LMFAO

Couldnt they just run an AI prompt to slop out an entire episode?

>>213669445
They would if they could and you know that

>>213669328
We might "rediscover" how to do these things, but it will take decades, if not centuries. Knowledge is a desperately tenuous resource and something that can be lost by simply doing nothing. Do you want to wait until 2125 so Americans can remember how to make a good-looking TV show?

I'm not trying to "beat" you with my replies, I'm scared that the point isn't getting across. That's all.
>if some dipshit briton mud farmers can manage to pass information around before printing or phones I'm sure we could have figured it out
It wasn't the mud farmers, it was Northumbrian monks working with the Irish in what is still celebrated as a triumph of British stubbornness. Tiny numbers of the population, keeping critical knowledge alive on parchment.

>>213669445
Isn’t that what the whole season was?

>>213669221
He was down to his last PENSUL. There are no more PENSULs in reserve.

>>213665722 (OP)
• Hand-drawn animation: The original King of the Hill used traditional 2D animation techniques.
• Digital ink and paint: Later seasons incorporated digital coloring, but the animation retained a hand-crafted look.
• Software: Likely used industry-standard tools of the time like Toon Boom or Adobe After Effects for compositing, though exact tools weren’t publicly confirmed.

They don’t have their coloring machine anymore and Photoshop doesn’t exist anymore.

>>213665925
>>213666069
>>213666713
>>213667241
I just want to point out to the conspiracy retards that fifty years ago, any commuter could step onto a plane in London and step off in New York two hours later, a feat that's utterly impossible today

The real question is: how did they get all 2.5 million people who allegedly used that plane to lie about it? Did they drug them all? Some kind of wormhole? Or perhaps big boats simply attached hooks to Britain and pulled it east, making the Atlantic Ocean far bigger than it was back then
Because of course it's utterly absurd to pretend that there was a more advanced passenger jet in 1969 than there is now

>>213668957
I took a train to the other city this year and on the way there I saw so much industry, so many small towns whose entire existence is to be a production/maintenance hub in a huge system. Facilities in the middle of nowhere, with no one around. Thinking about the logistics and upkeep of it all and that it can easily crumble just by a chunk of workers quitting/dying or said workers kids leaving the town to do their own thing thus lowering the potential workforce of said hubs made me genuinely sick. We take so many things for granted, and they can be taken away in one fell swoop.

>>213669460
>Do you want to wait until 2125 so Americans can remember how to make a good-looking TV show?
no need, good tv has migrated to Korea

>>213669564
IIRC the whole thing got dumpstered because usa had a melty and banned concord flying over their airspace, spectacular crash didn't help though.

>>213669564
>>213669651
Concorde business model failed because it relied on big companies and executives flying frequently between USA and EU, the second everyone started pivoting to China it wasn't needed anymore.

>>213665752
>>213665760
This is not hard to understand. You cannot bring back old software and skills to use that software to recreate a style from 10, 15 years ago.
You're not going to find working 15 year old computers that can still install, and run a mid 2000's copy of Rough Draft Studio. You surely wont be able to get the 50 different work stations needed for a single project, you wont be able to find any server farms that can render the old format correctly, and you'll never be able to find the talent who can be proficient at using outdated software.

And while hand animation isn't a lost art, its no longer being done at scale, even if they find a team who can draw all the cells, I guarantee you that the material and labor costs will be 10x of what it was in the past.

>>213665834
in the case of western 2D animation is a mix of a loooot of things. From companies abandoning the medium en masse on the countries with the biggest production (USA), old talent retiring or not being able to get new jobs, new tools essentially replacing and lowering the entry bar by a fuckton (what used to be a storyboard can now be considered a full piece of animation on shows like Family Guy, look it up) but companies themselves not having the drive to improve the craft itself or the wages meaning the animators will cut a fuckton of corners or in even worse cases old crews will be replaced by new ones constantly meaning there's stagnation and even regression in artistic prowess and progress -- all of this while being super overworked. Then there's stuff like the new tools allowing artist to never having to learn the fundamentals or even skipping entire steps along the way of the final process which is something even I am guilty of. While before you HAD to get good at your craft, now you can actually afford not to and make as many mistakes as you'd like. There's something to be said about the way traditional cel animation looks when compared to digital as well, it's not the same and even an untrained eye can often tell.
There's more but the end result is this: the industry is not and will never be the same as it was before. Some good things will come out of it, but overall you will be missing a lot of what came before, and it's so expensive to build back up chances are you will never see something like it again.

>>213669596
Looks fucking grim

>>213665785
I always point to kobblers and how basically every shoe these days is just barely stitched together plastic shit

>>213669721
I guaran fucking tee that there's an autist somewhere just making true to 15 years ago KOTH style shit on his computer because it's fun and he likes doing it.

Ultimately they don't do it because they're lazy and because they don't want to spend the money.
That's all.
It's not lost tech, it's not lost art. In the article itself they literally admit that they COULD do it but won't because muh profit margins.

>>213669721
>You're not going to find working 15 year old computers that can still install, and run a mid 2000's copy of Rough Draft Studio.
This problem is not exclusive to animation, my local ER still uses software that looks like BIOS, blue screen and text only.

>>213665760
I'll admit, I do sometimes partake in modern media, but I have no idea how you can exclusively immerse yourself in that, and I still remember a time when you could. Any of you young people do yourselves zero favors with the endless coping to obfuscate from the fact, which you know, that the time in history you were born into is subpar. It isn't normal for every single thing to be some form of ultra-modernist cancer.

>>213669460
>Tiny numbers of the population, keeping critical knowledge alive on parchment.
Not him, but it needs to be emphasized that Beowulf - perhaps the most important Old English story ever written - was only found in a single book that almost got destroyed in a fire. We could have lost Beowulf forever if the fire was just a little stronger or the rescuers a little less diligent. Fuck, there's evidence now that we lost an entire Homeric epic (the Nostos of those returning from the Trojan war.)

>>213669596
yeah, that's another good example, how pokemon went to 3d graphics because it's way cheaper than having to draw all the sprites for shit

>>213665722 (OP)
Bullshit lies. The tools still exist, and the Japanese still make animation the traditional way every single day.

It's just easier, cheaper, and faster to go the "South Park" way of making flash-animation cartoons.

>>213669764
You can find one or two autists, but not the dozens required to make a tv show.
>>213669765
great, its still being continuously used.

Now try switching a company of 300 people back to Office 97 and see how everyone fares.

>>213669787
>The tools still exist
Tools are worthless without somebody who knows how to use them.

>>213665752
because if you say "we can't do it" midwits believe it and then accept quality going down, when it's really all about bottom lines.

They could absolutely do it. They don't even need to go back to traditional, everything about traditional is completely emulatable but people wanna cope with "ERMMM BUT THE COLORS, THE DETAILL AAAAHH" and it's like, ok retard, if that's the case, how could you even watch it on bluray digitized? Right, right.

>>213669596
What's insane to me is because the 3D rig is already made, you don't have to "redraw" the animations every time, making it easier to do more varied and interesting animations.
Shit 3D isn't even "Cheaper" than 2D for individual projects. The purpose of 3D is to be able to reuse assets, as you see them doing in Pokemon.
So fuckin Gamefreak decided to go 3D but not take advantage of a single benefit of being 3D except for being able to be lazy for the rest of time.

>>213669799
God forbid you teach people how to animate in your style, you know, the way we used to do it until three weeks ago when suddenly everyone either magically forgot how or started gaslighting the public into believing it was impossible.

>>213669799
>great, its still being continuously used.
I forgot to finish my thought, lul. What I meant is that they still use this old ass software but as years go by it's harder and harder to maintain because it's not being produced anymore, where would anyone be able to find 90s hardware that's not only working but compatible with whatever software they hired some dude 30 years ago to make for them?
That's how we're losing technology.

>>213665722 (OP)
you faggots can always go learn this stuff yourself you know

>>213669859
>God forbid you teach people how to animate in your style, you know
Telling the BIPOC hire that they need to apprentice under a stinky old white man is racist.

>>213669891
I'm working on it, I'm still at the illustrating phase. I've done basic animation exercises though.
I wish I had started learning earlier, but later is better than never I guess. If I can animate as an old man it'll have been worth it.

>>213669833
preasu undastandu
smarru comprany

>>213669859
>teaching people costs money
>>213669861
there you go, I used to work in a warehouse that ran on an older version of Red Prairie that ONLY ran on XP SP2.
Dusty warehouse only means that these old Dells would constantly burn out their PSUs. Trying to buy proprietary PSUs for 2008 clamshells Dells was a challenge.

>>213669804
When you only hire young tatted hair-dye social radicals who get by in life by feeling stuff and being mad about stuff, then you're going to suffer a competency crisis with the lack of actual skills.

>>213669918
This really is ultimately what it'll always come back to until the culture has a radical shift away from sacrificing everything on the altar of brown people.
>>213669939
God forbid you spend money on a project instead of trying to nickle and dime your way into being the most jewish you can possibly imagine

>>213669957
im just telling you what it is.
finding talent and training them is more expensive and risky than hiring already trained talent.

>>213669989
Right and I'm agreeing with you and declaring that the judaism must cease

>>213669994
and i want the US Constitution to include free health care. education, and right to abortion right under the right to own any guns without any restrictions.

its very wishful thinking that doenst get us anywhere

I'd say it's more of a rendering thing, too. Some techniques are just not there in newer software, so you'd have to dig up old unsupported program and pray your GPU won't refuse to work with it because said rendering tech was designed for a specific Voodoo or 3dfx card.

>>213669425
>What?
>That’s not the reason LMFAO
What the hell are they teaching you in school? Back in the 2000s, they taught us that the ancient Greeks referred to Mycenaean ruins as "Cyclopean" because they believed that only giants could make the ruins that littered their country.

>>213669787
>the Japanese still make animation the traditional way every single day.
The amount of anime studios still do everything with cels can be counted on one hand these days.

>>213670023
Nigga I just want them to make cartoons good I dunno anything about your libertarian leftist utopia shit

We’re all going to die because old people don’t teach young people anything anymore and then complain about young people not knowing how to do anything.

>>213669994
>>213670066
And who will bankroll that?

>>213670083
How did they do it before

Then:
>Non-consolidated companies, owned by a dude who only cares about what the company makes
>Puts quality first and operates at relatively tight profit margins
>Doesn't answer to board members, able to take risks and operate without needless bureaucracy

Now:
>Consolidated monopolies, created by buying up companies, owned by people who only care about the bottom line
>Puts money first and operates at the highest profit margins possible
>board members are the answer, slow workflow because everyone is trying to ensure their piece of the pie is as big as possible at all times, risk averse, infinite bureaucracy

all industries

>>213670072
>mfw 25% of American children don't have a father figure
>mfw 25% of American children don't even get the most basic form of apprenticeship (following dad and aping him.)
2050 is going to be wild.

Ah, you see, God himself made us change which softwares we use and forced us to forget pencils and paintbrushes exist. It's simply out of our control, don't you know, we're not to blame!

>>213670101
There was no other way to do it before.

>>213670184
This does appear to be the way they're going about this.
>It's impossible, it was never possible, the past doesn't exist, you're imagining things

>>213669128
>we didn't suddenly forget how to create wheels
We didn't forget how to animate either, just how to animate in an extremely specific manner that everyone now considers prohibitively time consuming and skill demanding while most viewers literally do not give a single shit about production methods.

>>213670184
>>213670179

>>213670179
>>213670218
It's easier to say, "we forgot how to do it" than admit, "the guy who was responsible for the unique aesthetic of our show was fired, retired or quietly put aside."

>>213670150
>tfw you’re a country boy that’s never been hunting

>>213670254
But they're literally admitting IN THE ARTICLE that the only real thing stopping them from doing it is it's "too expensive".
And you know when they say it's "too expensive" they mean "we are trying to do everything as cheap as humanly possible"

>>213665779
Just like the telephone system
Just like non electronic navigation
etc etc
When you import a hundred million people fromm failed civilisations that never evolved sewers and sanitation, don't be suprised when stupid is the new normal and broken is the new fixed..

>>213670287
I'm genuinely afraid for the plubming and sewer systems.

>>213665752
Because it's accurate. It's kinda like how puppets aren't a more common medium for storytelling, as while the production costs to actually make an episode of a Taiwanese Glove Puppet Show is the same or fewer than traditional animation, that doesn't mean you can actually pay for it, as you don't have the same access to the workshops that are set up to make those things nor the talent that's been trained for it.

>>213666894
Fag alert

>>213665760
>Yeah the uhh the watercolors just blow the budget for national TV also it's like we moved from just a cuck theme to also polycules or something enjoy!
Kek

I found a tourist in one of the fields on my farm. He was on foot looking for a golf course via GPS that was about 20 miles away that had closed a decade ago.

He was tired and scratched up by biars and distressed and dehydrated. He had been carrying his golf bag for several hours in the fields. He kept telling me that because the golf course was on his GPS map, it just *had* to be there somewhere.

I thought civilisational collapse would be more dramatic. Hollywood lied to me.

>>213670279
Maybe it is too expensive. The pool of talent when KotH originally aired no longer exists. It's smaller, and can ask more for their work. Imagine how much a Plumber can ask for their work when there's only like 20 white plumbers left in the entirety of New York City.

The only way to save American animation is to forcibly de-monopolize studios and break up extremely big companies

>>213670382
what a retard lol

Reminder that most of Invincible's budget goes to their guildfag hollywood butt buddies

>>213670382
Sounds kino desu.

>>213670342
As all municipal services everywhere are now subcontracted, even throughout Europe and the contractors get paid by the number of holes in the road they make, nothing will ever be fixed again, just more and more people making more and more holes in roads and filling them back in, everyday, usually immigrants doinng traffic control for the hole maker who don't even speak the local language or know why they are making the holes. You wish I was joking.

>>213665752
Destroying
Every
Improvement

>>213670442
He was a bit of a pick actually. I walked him back and have him a drink and a first aid kit and called him a ride to find his car and I don't think he even said thank you once. It was like he was blaming me for the golf course not existing, when I told him he was trespasing he had a rage fit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOrkILQmpRk

>>213670415
He was not a nice man.

>>213670184
ding ding ding

>>213668457
This is your brain on being a dorky dysgenic science nerd, nothing you losers ever create in your fag labs will compare to nature

>>213670448
>usually immigrants doing traffic control for the hole maker who don't even speak the local language or know why they are making the holes.
I have a story for this. Back in the 2010s, I delivered for Amazon Flex. Think DoorDash but with Amazon packages instead of food. As you might expect, a lot of the fringes of society worked there; blacks, whites, browns, yellows. It was surprisingly diverse. We got paid well for what was unskilled labor ($40/hr after tips) and it was completely elective. Amazon Flex paid for my apartment.

While I'm older and hopefully wiser, I decided to go and do another delivery for Amazon Flex a couple weeks ago. The app was rough to navigate - crashed a couple times - but I managed to snag a Block (2hr unit of time where I'm working.) I went to the warehouse to receive my delivery, and what did I see? Uzbekis. Everyone was Uzbeki. An entire ethnic clan had taken over the delivery process. This surprised me, but didn't concern me until I went inside. An entire entrance door was broken, and had apparently been broken for a couple months. Nobody wanted to fix it because nobody cared, I guess. Everyone was lingering, like cattle, in the middle of the cart movement area - y'know, the middle spot where you'd be bringing carts to and from your car - and a few more decided to park *their* cart in the middle of the aisle so they can scan the packages, instead of scanning them outside.

This was frustrating. I was missing a package in my cart, so I had to call customer support. I got an Indian who clearly didn't know how to speak English. I called customer support again, another Indian. I called customer support again, got a white woman who helped me immediately. As I took my cart out of the Warehouse, I saw one of the Uzbekis talking about an issue with their cart to a Warehouse employee. An Indian. Both of them were using English, and failing.

I saw the future in that moment.

>>213670535
Why waste kindness on people like that?
Just tell him to piss off and walk away.

>>213669787
Japanese dint animate like this anymore and haven’t since like 99

>>213670613
>you don't get nature is actually magic and we can never reproduce its workings
Why are you even on internet,and not living inawoods in balance nature, pumping kids with your trad wife like Varg?

>>213670616
Yup. The last time I called up the department of agriculture here over a tax thing I got some wierd mystery meat with an accent I could not understand who did not know what a direct debit was. I had to try and explain it to him and in the end just gave up. I guess someone decide to 'outsource'. It is actually all falling apart. People are doing things that are just insane and dystopian at this point, just ask any farmer about the lunacy that is the actual rules and laws that have sprumg from the enviromental movement. You'll all be lucky if mass starvation does not make a return to western nations along with the 100M immigrants who grew up experiencing it. Any farmer can tell you about incidnets with urban kids 20 years ago coming out to try and 'tip' sleeping cows becaus eof a film called heathers, invariably resultinng in one of them getting hurt because well, you know fields full of one ton animals running in fear in the dark. We're reached a level of mass stupidity that is a point of no return, see the kardashians and shit like blm and /pol/ etc etc

The trouble with damaging agriculture with retarded rules and contradictoiry laws is that the harm is gradual and accumulative and takes years to result in what will be massive shortages and it can't be turned around quickly either, it will take years to fix. I guess people will just get used to the fact that people die fo starvation again. Maybe make a reality TV show of it or something, or a new brand of trainers I can see the job titles now
Starvation management consultant
Vice Principle of starvation services etc etc
Then those jobs get outsourced to someone with fifteen words of english who is only doing the job because they want to have a job via english in their CV to come and stave in the west.

If you think the plumbing and phone system imploding will be had, wait until agriculture does and it's certainly heading that way simply because of very dumb laws passed by people in cities

>>213670613
The fag labs are part of nature you delusional savage. Everything humans do is natural. There is nothing outside of the universe and existence by definition.

>>213670631
Well I wanted him off my land because I don't want some retarded law suit that effects my public liability insurance. You have to atke out insurance against idiots walking into your home and workplace without permission and hurting themslves by walking into trees or whatever.

Yes.

Really.

>>213670881
>farm this, agriculture that

erm, but food comes from the stores
:^)

>>213665760
>The hand-drawn animation, the water colors, those don’t exist anymore.
Ufuckingwotm8?
How fucking hard could it be to hire someone to paint some fucking backgrounds and draw some frames and scan them digitally?

>>213665785
Greek Fire

>>213670919
never understood that shit
literally fake laws put in place just to fuck with land-owners

>animating properly instead of using rigs as a shortcut is too expensive
>adding grain/colour vibration digitally is too expensive
>just using a fucking colour picker on screenshots of the original to get the colours the same instead of washed out is too expensive
>lost technology, small indie medium, please understand
We've entered a second dark age of animation. Can't wait for the Clutch Cargo reboot.

>>213665785
to be honest "lost technology" just means no one has any interest or incentive in rediscovering it. If there was a monetary reward to building a pyramid with stone age tools then we'd know how to do it

>>213670919
>>213670992
Mister Goldstein needs his cut of your property, don't be antisemitic.

>>213665834
convenience breeds dependence

>>213670944
>How fucking hard could it be to hire someone to paint some fucking backgrounds and draw some frames and scan them digitally?
The thread has been discussing this, and it's because that "someone" does not exist anymore.

>>213665722 (OP)
Ask A.I. to recreate it.
If A.I. could think it would say:
>”god, humans are so useless lmao”

>>213670992
Yo don't even want to know the harm that inasive specied planted in urban gardens with seeds boyght off amazon are doing or the madness of beuracracy that it trying to eliinmate them by burning or spraying or cut down trees or clear falamable undergrowth for example. There are bigger penalties for breaking tehse laws at this point than there are for stabbing someone. I can't even legally slaughter and eat one of my own cattle.

>>213671045
What?

>>213671067
>What?
Was Frieren made in America?

>>213671103
Are you genuinely saying there exists not a single decent background artist in all of America?

>>213671067
>soulless flat new age anime
This shit is just as bad.

>>213671045
>it's because that "someone" does not exist anymore.
How many people are left who know how to castrate or dehorn cattle?

Not as many as you think and without them beef is going to eventually become a legendary myth. You know where a lot of insae laws around cattle come from? Crazy hindu lobbyists against the beef and dairy farmers because the cow is sacred to them. Their greatest hit is that cow farts make bad weather. Like I say, get used to the idea of mass starvation, should be here within a decade at this rate.

>>213671137
>flat
Blind and retarded.

>>213671130
>Are you genuinely saying there exists not a single decent background artist in all of America?
Yes, and if they still exist they're such a rare source of talent that they're "too expensive" for King of the Hill. Welcome to hell.

>>213665722 (OP)
Some absolute madman on YT figured out how to digitally reproduce the effects of the lost tech magic crystal thingy disney used to do the live-action/animation compositing in Mary Poppins. I think you can fucking well figure out how to work in a different art style.

>>213671140
>You know where a lot of insae laws around cattle come from? Crazy hindu lobbyists
oh wow, another reason on the ever-growing list to hate india

>>213665834
You have Indians who work as literal slaves in 3rd world programming centers who are responsible for the death of the internet. Everything needs to be made stupid and dumb for the masses of Asian and African people who couldnt build a boat much less a society

>>213671140
The Hindu is not going to help beef prices, but cattle has been on the way out before H1Bs infested every state. The competency crisis has been happening for decades, while Indians have only become a serious menace in the last 5+ years.

>>213671194
I don't believe you, I've seen American shows with better art than this, those people definitely exist, and there's no fucking way that fucking DISNEY of all companies can't afford better than bottom-of-the-barrel stiff dogshit with awful backgrounds.
I get that it's just a soulless cashgrab and they expect the audience to be retards who'll eat it up anyways even if it looks awful, but this bullshit about the tech "not existing" or the talent "not being there" is absolute fucking bullshit, I wish they'd be honest and just say "look, this is a cheap cashgrab, we're not spending more than the absolute bare minimum on this garbage, so get used to it."

>>213671149
Go watch 70-80s anime before spouting your shit opinions.

>>213671246
>oh wow, another reason on the ever-growing list to hate india
What if I told you the crazy "Christian / Not Christian" cult in Far Cry 5 was based on an Indian cult that took over a slice of America through literal demographic replacement?

>>213671046
99.9% of humans ARE useless

>>213671266
Go jump off a bridge you retard.

>>213671130
That are willing to work on the king of the hill reboot? Yes.

>>213671265
>I've seen American shows with better art than this
Where? Can you actually name a single one that was made in the last ten years? American media is so incestuous that the Spiderverse "stutter frame" style has become ubiquitous not because it's popular, but because it's probably the only thing the talent knows how to make anymore.

>>213671290
They'll work wherever if the pay is decent, not like they have much choice with the current industry.
But paying more would mean less money for Yidsney shareholders, and we can't have that.

>>213671270
I would ask for proofs.

>>213671313
>Can you actually name a single one that was made in the last ten years?
Common Side Effects
It's nothing amazing, but it looks better than this KotH reboot in basically every way, and it's ALSO produced in part by Mike Judge.

>>213671331
>I would ask for proofs.
And you shall receive them.
>Rajneeshpuram
>>213671349
>Common Side Effects
Oh yeah, that show rocked. You're right, and I'm sorry for being a little sharp on my post. I'm just frustrated because this is something we've all seen coming, and nobody bothered to stop it.

>>213671321
There are quite literally hundred if not thousands of competing studios hiring people right now. King of the Hill is not some prestige project that Disney is spending big money on, it's not even a fucking movie

>>213671137
Clevatess is pretty good at looking like 90's anime

>>213671369
>King of the Hill is not some prestige project that Disney is spending big money on
Yes, I know, it's a cashgrab, that's my point.
But they should be honest and just say that, instead of spouting this bullshit about how fucking watercolors don't exist anymore, absolutely fucking retarded dogshit and I can't believe the cunt they quoted actually had the fucking balls to say that shit.

>>213665722 (OP)
even just tweaking the color tone a bit would go a long way. it looks like the horrible white street lights we have now compared to the old glorious orange sodium ones

>>213671363
what the FUCK

>>213671405
>instead of spouting this bullshit about how fucking watercolors don't exist anymore
It's been a common excuse because developers are acutely aware that talent pools are drying up, and explaining, "nobody is learning how to do these things anymore because we fired all the ones who did" is not just calamitous to shareholders, but could actually cause a panic among common people once they realize everything around them is quite literally rotting away.

>>213667553
NTA but consider that any given hundred of years ago, not everybody could afford more than one good wool coat to last them a lifetime. Something similar happens today where it's still difficult to buy quality clothing, but everybody can afford a $5 T-shirt manufactured for a handful of cents.

>>213665760
So hand drawn animators just priced themselves out of ever getting work again? Seems very dubious.

>>213671457
But the people DO exist, in America, now. They just don't want to fucking hire them because it would be more expensive than farming everything out to the Philippines or Vietnam.

>>213665785
We had a supersonic passenger plane from the 70s up to 2004.

>>213671470
Yes. If you want to be hired by Disney to make a TV they say "we want 10 episodes that are 25 minutes long every 12 months" and then you say "cool that'll cost you 10 million dollars" and then Disney goes to another company and that company say 9 million and they get hired. If the hand drawn animation company says they can't even do 10 episodes in a year, they never get work.

>>213665722 (OP)
how do you lose technology during our time ? you can store it digitally or physically, on big servers or some average Joe computer, physically in a huge library/ storage area or in someone house
Just say you're too stupid to learn/to use it or is to expensive to use

>>213671481
>They just don't want to fucking hire them because it would be more expensive than farming everything out to the Philippines or Vietnam
That's what we're saying, anon. The talent pool is small which means they can name their price. If animators were more common in America than we wouldn't need to outsource.

>>213671470
They didn't raise their prices. Companies saw that there were cuts to be made and they couldn't compete so they got priced out. If the only way to compete with a new alternative is to do crippling labor for pennies, you aren't going to say "well, time to tighten the belt" you're going to quit and get a different job. Animation was already miserable, low paying, grunt labor even before digitization.

>>213671559
Yeah its almost like your entire understanding of the topic is fundamentally flaws somehow.

>>213671578
This sounds exactly like the same excuse they make when they outsource everything else.
I'm sure in 5 years we'll hear "Uhh, well, the talent pool for front desk clerks is just so small, so we had to outsource it to India so we could pay some brown person on the other side of the planet $2/hr to check you in to a hotel."

>>213671559
No, it's a loss of talent, not technology
You can't say that you hired shit animators though can you

>>213671470
more like, india and other 3rd world places price themselves into always getting work because they do it for so cheap that you literally COULD NOT do it here at all. You can't expect anyone to compete with india wages with American costs

>>213671578
>they can name their price
No they can't. They can try, but so long as there's a cheaper alternative they have 0 leverage. Even if that cheaper alternative is shit it doesn't matter to the companies producing "content" who only care about their bottom line.

>>213667800
>Like how I can't read >>213667428 on my phone coz it wants to show a low res version despite my phone being more powerful than my old PC and having 100s of megabits of bandwith.
You need a better browser.

How are things that were possible 30 years ago too expensive now but at the same time everyone is poorer now than 30s years ago

>>213671578
>they do the jobs Americans won’t do

>they're starting to realize

greetings from /ic/, glad to see everyone's eyes are finally opening.

Who is being outsourced to do animation now a days? I remember that show Invincible had some controversy about how amazon outsourced the job to South Koreans who Outsourced it to North Korea

>>213672181
Invincible was funny because it was outsourced to South Korea, who outsourced to China, who outsourced to North Korea.
Nowadays outsourcing is done in SK, but even the SK studios outsource to Vietnam, the Philippines, Cambodia, Indonesia, and Malaysia.
Which is why everything looks like shit.

>>213671982
>How are things that were possible 30 years ago too expensive now
Advances in technology have allowed us to find cheaper methods of getting "close enough for the bottom line" results.
>but at the same time everyone is poorer now than 30s years ago
Turns out trickle down economics doesn't work

>>213672120
I just started learning to draw I want to draw hot anime girls

>>213666316
Pajeets. Enshitification. If a piece of software has gotten worse and has bad design choices that should be obvious to most users a pajeet streetshitter is to blame.

>>213665842
Mechashit was played out 25 years ago. How many times are you going to copy the same premise and ideas?

>>213665927
most don't even know how to block anymore

>>213665752
They just don't want to do it.