Thread 213680962

I'm two episodes in.

None of the actors are half as good as Gandolfini, Falco and Bracco, although maybe their writing is just boring and they have nothing to work with. Not a single laugh, btw.

Also the similarities with the sopranos reveal a pitiful lack of creativity. Oh boy, an unfaithful male lead and psychotherapy scenes? Where'd you think that up, mr. weiner?

>the writing is just boring and they have nothing to work with
get off your phone

>>213680962 (OP)
>None of the actors are half as good as Gandolfini, Falco and Bracco
Gandolfini was in a league of his own, but the rest of the cast of Mad Men is terrific, and just as good as the Sopranos
the writing is completely different though, the characters are more contained and less abrasive
>although maybe their writing is just boring and they have nothing to work with
it's not a show set around events, but rather about characters and their day-to-day
not everyone's cup of tea, but worth it if you're willing to give it a shot
>Not a single laugh, btw.
no shit, it's not a comedy
it has some snarky humor here and there, but not as present as in the sopranos, for instance
also, I really don't see why you keep comparing the shows. They're completely different in practically every regard
>similarities with the sopranos
such as?
>an unfaithful male lead
every other show has this
>psychotherapy scenes
short lived arc, if you bothered to watch for more than a couple episodes
again, if you keep looking for The Sopranos, you're gonna be dissappointed in every show out there
just watch Mad Men for what it is
or don't, really, not everyone digs it

>>213681414
I was interested to hear about what the writer thinks people want from life, but that's less than five minutes of screen time. The rest is just workplace drama and long, clumsy emoting scenes

>>213681548
THE WHOLE SHOW IS WHAT PEOPLE WANT FROM LIFE

>>213681456
>>Not a single laugh, btw.
>no shit, it's not a comedy
very wrong, from season 2 onwards it becomes hilarious with multipe belly laughs per ep. sadlyl these go right over psueds heads

one of the funnier period pieces ever

>>213681632
I've always found it smart funny not belly laugh funny

>>213681604
Life… What People Want From It Is What The Whole Show Is About™

>>213681661
the injuns gave it to us, for shit's sake

>>213681456
Comedy and tragedy are both part of drama

>>213680962 (OP)
the worst written characters on the show are Don, Peggy, all of S3> Don whores, and almost every single non-office scene except California, once you get past that, it starts opening up to being Sopranos quality, the workplace scenes are better written than the Sopranos, but you aren't ready for that yet

>>213681729
now do epstein as lane

>>213680962 (OP)
It starts a little rough. Too much critical "commentary" on 1960s white America. It gets a lot more interesting.

>>213681790
kek

>>213680962 (OP)
Wait until he tries to get his son to fuck January Jones on screen.

theres soemthing very fluid about how they wrote mad men where many conversations feels so universal be taking place during another time with different events

>>213681548
>show about Madison Avenue
>"why aren't there any EXPLOSIONS"
vacate the premises

>>213681729
No google trump bone spurs

>>213681875
I'm talking about Weiner btw.

>>213681896
>>213681896

>>213681686
Don you son of a bitch you've done it again

>>213681751
don and peggy are the best written characters on the show, they just do the same things over and over until the end.

peggy's best male relationship, in her own mind, calls her up in the series finale and apologizes for things she doesn't begin to understand, leaving her hanging. like every man. the ultimate confusion.

don is just an addict and hates himself, like most addicts, so he has also become addicted to the feeling of pulling himself out of it with lies.

>>213682012
Be real with me, if you weren't feeling like a contrarian you would call this kind of flanderised character writing redundant.
Don has maybe (2) good arcs with women, the one with the NUTZ ad guy's wife and the woman at the California villa in S2 who uses him for sex.

still going on about the sopranos this prick

>>213681952
I'm uhh.. working very dilligently on the matter at hand!

>>213682136
the show is great and every episode means something. i am being real with you.

Peter Campbell is a better written and acted character than anything out of Sopranos

New York/jersey Mafia shit is so overdone, woe is me I’m le depressed kingpin is garbage too, sopranos is the most overrated show of all time. It’s only watchable cause Paulie is funny

>>213682202
hey I'm easy
I'm not looking for anything other than a good time

>>213681886
>Sure, it’s just the man’s 2nd term

Two episodes is not enough to judge.

>>213680962 (OP)
The acting and writing is really awful.
It's not convincing in its portrayal of the time period at all.
This gets thrown around a lot but it's literally a soap opera for women.

>>213682896
It's plenty. You can immediately see how poorly it handles its themes, and how little it cares about the authenticity of character behavior/speech etc

>>213681456
>similarities with the sopranos
>such as?

they are not similar, just battling for the top stop.

>>213684007
"And who are you supposed to be?"
bravo weiner
because don doesn't know who he really is and is just playing a character, do you get it?

>>213684007
unironically filtered. it's a much slower different show in s1 still finding its legs. the next 6 seasons rule. ignoring this means you losel

>>213684007
a pilot has to deal with things broadly to present what the show is going to be if they make more. the opening episode of mad men was made months removed from the rest of the show.

nice complaint, but think first.

>>213684221
>two episodes
>pilot
think anon, think!

OP here, just finished the 3rd episode, it sucked too, fukkin DROPPED

>>213684386
stick to breaking bad you ugly midwit

>>213680962 (OP)
Why would you watch this crap to begin with? It's a show written by radical feminists, and that ridicules men. I mean, that's literally what the show is about.
Aside from the costumes and the sets, the only good parts are incidental, when they make the guys and the lifestyle they're trying to ridicule look good on accident.

>>213680962 (OP)
No, you're not. You're the same Jew what has been spamming this shit for years
Kill yourself Jew
>>213681456
>just as good as the Sopranos
As in they're both garbage, yes

>>213684415
>show was created by a man who was later cancelled for being too mean to women in the writers room of this show
>muh its too feminist
you really cant win w ppl these days

>>213684386
didn't even make it to the episode where everyone shits on pete or the episode where pete blows up don's spot and no one give a fuck.

good riddance, bro. enjoy squid game.

>>213681456
>Gandolfini was in a league of his own
Hamm does just as well as Gandolfini. Just because he's dead and was the star of /tv/s favorite show doesn't mean he's the patron saint of all acting.

Kys OP
I dropped Goypranos after 1 episode
>Muh shitalian mobster drama
I've seen Tony Soprano's character in GTA V already, as Michael. It was more enjoyable than that slop u call goat TV.

Here's the thing about Mad Men
TV used to totally fucking suck, but then they came out with a few shows that were halfway decent, which meant they were a thousand times better than anything else
TV is actually good now, so you don't have to settle for watching a mid ass show like Mad Men anymore

>>213685038
Mad Men is a 7.5/10 show but there are no 8s in the drama category. It's undefeated.

>>213685038
mad men influenced the television that you think is, "actually good now."

>>213680962 (OP)
>their writing is just boring and they have nothing to work with.
Sopranosfags are so insufferable. Fuck off back to your containment thread and show.

Harry best guy, ride or die with everyone that started over in the hotel except for the whore.

>>213680962 (OP)
It’s painful how hard they try to ape sopranos s6 cinematography. Shadows and shadows and darkness!

>>213680962 (OP)
I went the other way, having watched MM first and Sopranos second. I think both stand at the pinnacle of television, I just prefer Sopranos because of the humour. That said, there's a tremendous amount of humour in MM too and every aspect of it is outstanding (writing, directing, acting, production design, etc.). I recommend that you stick with it, unless the only thing you love about Sopranos is "gabagoo :DDDD" you're gonna love this too. The first several episodes might be a little tough because Don is such an enigma at first (you don't find out he has a family till the end of the pilot), but they slowly reveal his backstory through the first half of the season (the basics of it, anyway). Also, Roger is a GOATed character and the show is worth watching for him alone.

>>213684875
Gandolfini out acts the entire cast of mad men playing a bit character in a civil action.

>>213685971
No...

I like Gandolfini, he's a great actor in his wheelhouse and a good actor outside it. But this...hero worship you and a lot of this site have with anything that is deemed "in" borders on pathetic.

>>213680962 (OP)
>2 episodes
finish your plate
talk to me after season 1

Mad Men: a cure for the common television show

>>213680962 (OP)
No, you're not. You're the same Jew that has been spamming this evil shit for years
Kill yourself Jew

>>213685493
>>213685543
>>213685602
Kill yourself

>>213685602
Both are slow burns and have peak mid seasons with controversial endings.
I agree that they are two of the all-time best.
The perspectives are quite different and people going in expecting the other will be disappointed.

>>213684875
Hanm is not even fucking close to Gandalfini jesus christ, he wasn't even the best actor in his own show

>>213687789
Elaborate oh dedicated one.
Why is Mad Men especially evil that it warrants your watchful eye at all times?
What does Sopranos do that avoids this wrath?

>>213687894
Hamm WAS Draper
Gandolfini WAS Tony
Neither are replaceable in that role.
I think Don's emotional maturity make people think it lacks depth when Tony was prone to sperging out in an albeit entertaining way.

>>213687281
You’re trying to characterize acknowledgment of talent and comparison to the less talented as “worship” to devalue said acknowledgment.

>The king ordered it
How do you respond to this without sounding mad?

>>213687932
That’s the anti-smoking schizo you’re talking to.

>>213687993
you seem to have ignored what I said, perhaps because you know I'm right

>>213687993
I think it's the writing... Tony was given more conflict, had more intertesting characters to work with, relatable family issues

>>213685366
Yeah, that's my point, everyone for the last 10 years has been making "Mad Men, except good"

>>213687932
It is nothing but an advertisement for smoking and they even forced children to smoke to promote children smoking
>>213688099
>morality is INSANE
Kill yourself

>>213685366
No, it fucking didn't. This garbage didn't influence anything
Kill yourself

>>213688204
Shut the fuck up nigger
Smoking is based as fuck

>>213684007
Try one more. The third episode (The Marriage of Figaro) is a great one. One of my favorites of the whole show.

>>213688204
so it's not that they depicted smoking on camera persay, but they have an ulterior motive and are actually enticing others to partake
is this a financial plot? does someone own tobacco stock? or is it just a perverse pleasure of having sewn the seeds of lung cancer to the cattle?

>>213688076
No? I never said Gandolfini was a bad actor, I said the opposite.

>>213687894
See, like this. Your self worth is so tied up in your opinion that you attach yourself to the most hyperbolic extreme you can to avoid being threatened. That's what's pathetic. Not thinking Gandolfini is a good actor.

>>213688586
>hyperbolic extreme

its not, he wasn't the best actor in mad men, Pete, Henry and Lane were all better

>>213680962 (OP)
Guy who just finished watching the Sopranos: "Getting a lot of Sopranos vibes from this..."

>>213688586
Anon attempting to say john hamm is a better actor than jared harris would be a pathetic hyperbolic extreme someone would need to attach their ego to in order to honestly believe.

>>213684415
>by accidentally making the lifestyle look good on accident
Literally every single episode is good then.

>>213684415
Doesn’t matter if something intentionally good or accidentally. The authors aren’t in the room with you, they can’t tell you what they intended. They can’t tell you what you should take away from it. They effectively don’t exist.

>>213680962 (OP)
They both got the idea from Analyze This.

I stopped watching Mad Men after 2 episodes because the second episode had the exact same formula as the first where it's exactly the same as House: Every episode is the same, he struggles with the mystery of how to solve the illness/come up with an effective ad only to have a brilliant insight at the end to solve the case
Literally every episode of House was like that, and I just couldn't do it again
I'm sure I missed out on kino because it's a highly regarded show. I just can't do that formula over and over.

>>213690133
you are definitely one of those people that sees movie trailers and says out loud to everyone, "gee, now i don't have to watch the movie! why do they do that?"

>>213690209
And I'm probably making a good point when I say it, some trailers are ridiculous.
So, you sure got me.

>>213690209
t. made this trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXiRZhDEo8A

>>213690133
Mad Men is nothing like House, there's no advertising case of the week. Episode 3 already breaks the formula you identified, Don doesn't come up with an effective ad (or try to), and after 15:00 there are no more scenes at the office.

>>213690832
I might give it another chance then

i enjoy this show and i like peggy olson i guess, but i basically can not stand any part where its just the women or the house wives talking. I started to realize I have this problem with just about every series. For instance in breaking bad I started skipping every part where skyler would talk and then i was surprised at the end when walt is like "where is the money bitch" and skylar was like "omg i gave it away". I have been doing the same thing with this show as well. I'm on season 3 now and I basically watch a hour long episode in 30 minute after I skip when women talk. I tried to tune in for a bit and its basically
>my beautiful rich husband who takes care of my kids and provides me every luxury i could ever want occasionally does things i dont like omgggggg my 1960s suburban house wife life is secretly hell and horrible!!!
also british people are also just as bad so I dont really want to listen to them either. british tv might have been better than our stuff 10-20 years ago with all the british PBS shit because they actually had a grain of wit but now amerishart tv is just better and britcuck tv just doesnt have an answer

>>213692277
> occasionally does things i dont like
Don is a horrible husband. Forget the cheating and lying, he's the third highest paid employee at SC who causally throws around thousands of dollars to pave over his fuckups, but won't even drop a few hundred for an air conditioner so he beautiful wife can be comfortable? He won and lost two trophy wives because he didn't fulfill his part of the bargain, always putting himself first. Betty's childishness is entirely the result of Don's failures as a husband and man.

>>213680962 (OP)
Stick with it, Durgesh, there's a musical number in one of the later seasons.

>>213680962 (OP)
Decent bait. You probably should still kill yourself tho

>>213692277
Everyone in the show is unhappy including the wives and including the husbands because that’s what real life is like. That’s what your life is like

>>213680962 (OP)
The cinematography is worse than the writing. /tv/ has shit taste.

>>213680962 (OP)
>start watching a show
>spend every moment constantly neurotically drawing comparisons to another show
>as if the other show is representative of your own self and this one being better would be a personal loss for you
as expected of a sopranos autist desu

Mad men is the BCS to the sopranos BB

>>213693202
I can tell you're the kind of faggot who calls expedition 33 a masterpiece

>>213681548
Exactly how I felt...the insider advertising scenes were extremely captivating, rest of the show was yawnable melodrama

Suits did this much better

>>213680962 (OP)
Keep going. It's a great show.

The first season is kinda rough and relies too heavily on "Hey remember this decade?". Especially the early episodes. It gets better. Remember, the pilot episode of the sopranos couldnt figure out if it was a comedy or drama or what. Then they worked on it and the sopranos is both the funniest show ever written, and great drama.

>>213681632
>>213681657
>>213681729
>>213681829
>>213681941
holy shit, who made these embarrassing facebook grandma-tier memes out of this kino show?

>>213694230
>Suits did this much better

>>213681751
>being this retarded

>>213690209
Based
But you gotta understand man your arguing with 35 year olds autists that have yet to get a job. Of course they're gonna view the show about having a job with suspicion and being extremely retarded about dumbass nitpicks like that

I'm on a rewatch myself, and this thread is proof the universe revolves around me. Anyway, the show has two major issues that kept it from being on the level of Sopranos:

1. Not leaning into the humor or absurdity.

2. Less peaks in general.

Regarding no. 1, every single time Roger is on screen, for instance, is fucking gold.
>What do women want?
>Who cares? *takes a drink*
Or when he ordains Harry as the head of the television department. Or telling Joan he's the finest piece of ass he ever had when she was expecting a heart to heart. It's not that the show needs more Roger, it's that the show needs the same level of humor from just about every Roger scene, across the majority of the show the same way Sopranos does.
>I'm not in India, what do I give a fuck?

And again, the peaks. I'm on season 3, episode 3, and this thread has definitely brought to mind how Mad Men has nothing like
>Someday, you'll have families of your own
or
>What kind of a chance did she have, with YOU as her mother?
The show fumbles its potential equivalent moments, such as
>You will be shocked how much this didn't happen
but not giving them any deference. They just sorta come and go. Don's (major spoiler if you're working through seasons 1 and 2) brother committing suicide is limited to one fucking episode. One. That's wild. Sopranos' framing device of the therapist actually did it wonders, because it gave the writers excuses for Tony to talk about his feelings on xyz. If Don had been seeing a therapist, we could see how he goes from his pilot mindset of
>I'm living like no tomorrow because there isn't one
to season 2 where he wants to reconcile with Betty.

tl;dr it's an entertaining enough show, anybody who says it's on the level of Sopranos is just wrong and that's a shame. I have a sneaking suspicion it's because Mad Men has a lot of female writers but don't tell your wife I said that.

>>213682896
that's an entire ass movie

>>213695809
mad men threads started up when the serbian girls began their reactions to the show

>>213680962 (OP)
Mad men had okay moments but it was sorely missing a strong thesis or plotline. It just meanders about. To be honest, everything it had to say was conveyed in the very first season.

It's not the worst thing to watch, all the way through to season 6 or 7 or whatever it was, but it's only a little bit of entertainment value and certainly doesn't deserve to be considered one of the great series of all time.

>>213695809
the greatest limitation of the show is its tethering to the 60s. at the time of sopranos filming, you could film it anywhere because it was contemporary. you can have little character moments that shine like the johnny sack-junior-tony-hesh sitdown in front of satriales because the crew didn't need to make sure every prop and vehicle on set was something from the 60s or looks like something from the 60s. most of mad men's scenes, especially season 1, take place in a home, or at sterling-cooper. you might say that's obvious, but it speaks to the fact that you can't just have don walking down the street with roger having a conversation. every time don and roger have a conversation, the set needs to be well lit, the dialogue needs to matter to the episode's themes, so you have less room for little funny moments which you point out the show lacks. it's amazing mad men went on for 6 more seasons. probably bankrolled by the walking dead ratings.

>>213696188
>Mad men had okay moments
It had some great moments, the finale of season 3, Lane's ending, both of Don's breakdowns, the various mergers. But I know people have different opinions on what makes moments 'great'.
>It just meanders about.
I don't think so, it shakes things up multiple times after s3, not just in setting but character dynamics too. Specifically Don's fall from grace in s6 onwards. Compare that to the Sopranos (becuase it's already been brought up) where it feels like shit doesn't really change dramatically until the final couple of episodes.
>sorely missing a strong thesis or plotline
Overall plotline in my eyes is about the original, small and unique advertising firm trying to maintain independence until the end where it finally gets swallowed up by a larger and mundane corporate giant.
>To be honest, everything it had to say was conveyed in the very first season.
What do you think it was trying to say?
>certainly doesn't deserve to be considered one of the great series of all time.
pic related

>>213695809
>he's going to lose his foot
>just when he got it in the door
Roger and Pete had all the best lines

>>213680962 (OP)
>comparing every show to the best show and whining that it's not as good
Gabagoolfags are so fucking miserable for no reason

>>213680962 (OP)
I think it's better than Sopranos and I'm tired of pretending it's not

>>213696077
And?

>>213685038
>TV is actually good now
retard the golden age ended a decade ago.

>>213696614
>probably bankrolled by the walking dead ratings.
mad men printed money too. it wasn't some deadweight prestige