Thread 213701385

It's time to accept that tv show ending was his ending

There's no nightking in the books, retard.

>>213701415
Yeah, and they are not called white walkers, but they will destroy the wall and be defeated at Winterfell

>>213701385 (OP)
The time for expending any sort of mental energy on his IP ran out years and years ago. I haven’t had any postitive or negative thoughts about his work for a long time. Only indifference.

>>213701385 (OP)
>over half a decade since GoT ended
It's time to let it go.

>>213701385 (OP)
I accepted that the day the episode aired.
What I didn’t accept was why Dumb and Dumber felt the need to skip 2 seasons worth of shit to get to the ending

maybe in the most general sense only

When do you guys think we'll have a remake?
The last two seasons were ass

>>213701761
Because it was the smarter move. Gurm should've stuck to the time skip in the books instead of focusing on those retarded dune coons no one cares about. Show definitely proved that.

>>213701385 (OP)
THE MORE HE ATE
THE LESS HE WROTE

>>213701385 (OP)
Quick reminder that he hasn’t written a single page since Dance.

>>213701385 (OP)
Who gives a fuck about that shit WHAT HAPPENS TO LADY STONEHEART

>>213701894
Never. They would need the books to be finished before they can remake it.

The shows were different from the books even in season 1
The books will end with Stannis being the rightful king (you're a retard if you think he is dead)
DEAL
WITH
IT

>>213701894
Please, the last seven seasons were ass. The books need to be properly adapted.

One of the biggest problems with the last two seasons is how rushed everything is.

>>213701385 (OP)
Yeah, he doesn't do happy endings. I'm sure it would have been better written but all everyone cared about was the ending or GoT would have been shat on since season 5. The only thing I don't think is true is Cersei or some other claimant being the final boss, the Others will remain the big bads.

>>213702450
She dies without accomplishing nothing like all those shitters introduced in books 4-5 with the exception of fake Aegon who will capture KL

>>213702634
Weapons grade copium.

>>213701415
There will be.

Faegon is killing Cersei and Daenerys will control Kings Landing before the Wall falls
so that part of the ending can not happen in the ending

>>213703819
Faegon controlling KL is directly hinted at by the Golden Company presence in the show, they just didn't want to introduce another Targaryen at the 11th hour and back in the 00s George said that he loved how Lord of the Rings had those Shire shenenigans after one ring was already destroyed so I think Others will be defeated first in his books too

>>213701385 (OP)
Time to accept GoT was always overrated and did not deserve half of its popularity.

>>213703819
Faegon plotline will go nowhere. It doesn't appear GRRM's earlier draft so it's just filler like half the plotlines.

>>213702634
there's no rightful king in ASOIAF, retard. there's only the throne, it decides if you're chosen or not

>>213704351
The first half is still good. It falls apart when they run out of books.

>>213701894
I can't imagine a different tyrion or tywin, the remake will be underwhelming for sure

>>213701385 (OP)
What about fAegon?

>>213702634
I BEND THE KNEE

>>213704610
More like Diegon, only Tyrion's massive plot armor could have possibly saved him, but now the closest character to him is a literal dying man JonCon

Chaos isn't a pit.

>>213705322
Chaos is a ladder.

>>213705347
Many who try to climb it fail, never get to try again. The fall breaks them.

>>213705366
And some are given a chance to climb, but they refuse. They cling to the realm, or the gods, or love. Illusions.

>>213701385 (OP)
How can it be his ending when the tv show doesn't have Nimble Dick?

>>213705382
Only the ladder is real.

>>213701415
He's coming. The Day King will fight him.

>>213705412
The climb is all there is.

>>213701385 (OP)
This was obviously the intended ending but the show need at least another season to set up the results we got. It was way too fast, and some fags who rewatched the show claim you see it from start (regarding Danny) but that’s only obvious to them because the conclusion was already realized and so they can shape the narrative to fill in the gaps on the rewatch. This shit failed because the DD twins thought they were locked into a lucrative Disney Star Wars contract which was annihilated once they saw what those two retards did with GOT. Kinda shocking Disney didn’t clap and award them the creative license for running a strong brand. It’s their bread and butter lmao

>>213701415
Really?
What the fuck was the tv show doing
My friend was telling me that Caitlin Stark came back as a zombie too but I thought he was fucking with me

Stannis will burn Shireen in the books. it'll happen differently for sure but he will

>>213705585
Books?

>Lady Shansha, I believe you lied under oath when you said your aunt Lysa jumped through the Moon door? Does this not matter?
>Ah, I shuppoze we are taking a crippled boy's dreams as facts, then? Should all trials be settled this way?
>Do great deeds not weigh in on my innocence? Saving you from the Lannisters, returning you to your seat in Winterfell, saving your brother and bringing the Vale into your service. A fair trial is the least you can offer me.
>No? Very well. I shall demand trial by combat.
>Not even that? Fine, then the Night's Watch will serve me well enough, with the dead on the way you need every man you can spare.
>You wish to kill me right here? Are you forgetting about the gods? You cannot kill a guest under your roof, you'd be no better than your family's killers.
>You don't care about that? Very well, but you are a Stark, my lady. I shall not accept accept your sentence if you are not the one to look me in the eye and take my life yourself.
>Or, whatever, just have the goblin bitch mutilate my throat with my dagger. Then burn my body.
>Or just leave my corpse on the floor. I shuppoze that would be acceptable as well.
What a disaster

>>213705573
>What the fuck was the tv show doing
They wanted a big bad for the audience.

We don't know much about the Others, they look more like ice elves mixed with fae in the books. And they have some sort of civilization, their own language and can laugh.

Undead Catelyn is going around hanging Freys to avenge Robb and last we heard she had Brienne and was getting her hands on Jaime

>>213701385 (OP)
The TV show really went downhill when D&D decided their audience were drooling imbeciles who would be unable to keep up with new characters, so they kept the same cast of characters for the last few seasons.

>>213705761
>decided their audience were drooling imbeciles
Well they explicitly said they were trying to gain the coveted "NFL player" demo.
A good example of this is changing Asha Greyjoy's name to Yara so the plebs wouldn't confuse her with the wildling Osha.

>>213701534
I have positive thoughts about the first 3 books. Lets just leave it at that.

>>213703544
She needs to molest Podrick with her undead pussy first.

>I know, I know. Some of you will just be pissed off by this, as you are by everything I announce here that is not about Westeros or THE WINDS OF WINTER. You have given up on me, or on the book. I will never finish WINDS, If I do, I will never finish A DREAM OF SPRING. If I do, it won’t be any good. I ought to get some other writer to pinch hit for me… I am going to die soon anyway, because I am so old. I lost all interest in A Song of Ice and Fire decades ago. I don’t give a shit about writing any longer, I just sit around and spend my money. I edit the Wild Cards books too, but you hate Wild Cards. You may hate everything else I have ever written, the Hugo-winners and Hugo-losers, “A Song for Lya” and DYING OF THE LIGHT, “Sandkings” and BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, “This Tower of Ashes” and “The Stone City,” OLD MARS and OLD VENUS and ROGUES and WARRIORS and DANGEROUS WOMEN and all the other anthologies I edited with my friend Gardner Dozois, You don’t care about any of those, I know. You don’t care about anything but WINDS OF WINTER. You’ve told me so often enough
So many of his blogposts are about old friends of his who've died from being so old. And most of them were significantly less obese than him.

>>213701761
because wanted to get that shit over with so they could do star wars (whoops we fucked that up by being retarded lol)

>>213705761
It's George's fault for introducing so many new characters in books 4-5

>>213705631
Shame the story never got wrapped up and never will be because Gurm is a lazy fat fuck who abandoned his lifeswork.

>>213705585
He won't since George will never finish it

>>213706606
You can't blame it on George when they cut so many characters from the previous books as well.
The rest of the Tyrells, the Northern nobles, most Greyjoys, etc.

>>213705631
It seems like such a crazy difference to leave out.
I've read a lot of fantasy but never got around to GoT, was thinking I'd wait until it all comes out a decade ago but that's obviously not happening and I've had enough with retarded authors to lazy to write shit.
The only one I can forgive it's Scott Lynch since gentleman bastards books are basically self-contained. There's an ongoing story but you never really feel like it needs a conclusion

Are there any other modern fantasy series worth reading? I’ve always wanted to read ASOIAF but I refuse to until he finishes the books.

>>213702634
Stanaerys ftw

(amazingly no fan-art of this obvious OP pairing)

>>213705585
utterly ridiculous and I dont even like stannis. mel will do it to rez snow
>>213701385 (OP)
Everyone knew dany was going antag before the show even started. She doesn't get glazed for reddit in the books.
Shit I care about:
>Arya's return to westeros
>Euron raising Cthulhu
>Mass human sacrifice to fight the others
>Bran and rickon (if you think bran will be king, hell if you think there will be 1 kingdom again you're retarded) how many dragons the dragonhorn takes out (2)
>how many bolton and frey fucks the merman makes into pies
>tyrion and jamie's promised murder reunion

>>213706859
and cleganebowl, i shupposhe

>>213706913
cleganebowl is /not/ happening!

>>213705626
>>213705654
They did this man so fucking dirty it makes me sick. I don't even like littlefinger and would be totally fine with Sansa eventually outsmarting him, in fact that'd be a pretty good arch for her character. Problem is DnD are too retarded to write smart characters so they had to make littlefinger dumb to show that Sansa is smart, and if that wasn't enough they had to have Arya smash the point into your face by LITERALLY saying "Sansa's the smartest person I know" in the same episode. I'm sure they had to add that in because after watching the original it was tough to tell if Sansa actually did anything clever or if littlefinger just had a fucking stroke

>>213701385 (OP)
It's funny to me a series that prides itself with subverting expectations still ends with literally every villain dying

>>213705573
>My friend was telling me that Caitlin Stark came back as a zombie too but I thought he was fucking with me
Lady stoneheart is easily one of the best plotlines of the books, D&D cut it because they have utter contempt for all things magic in their political soap opera

>>213707547
>best plotline
Her introduction in book 3 was cool, but name one thing she actually does

>>213707793
Hangs Merret Frey, likely orchestrated by Black Walder.
Hangs Hyle Hunt, Pod and Brienne, all to get her hands on Jaime who she probably has now.
Is on the way to do a murder at Daven Lannister's wedding.
Also on her way to the Neck, with Robb's crown in hand.

>>213701415
The Great Other is a thing

>>213701385 (OP)
We been knew, unc

That Mercy chapter was hot trash and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't. A small timeskip isn't enough to justify Arya turning into a completely different character. No, being ''le no one'' doesn't explain her gaining acute social skills and that ammount of experience when Arya was a fucking autistic retard from the stark (her sister is the one with sharp social skills). Being trained by le epic death cult assasins is a poor excuse too. I'm not so sure TWOW would be a great book even if it somehow released.

>>213708096
>autistic retard from the stark
that's jon

NOOOOOOOOO JON AND DANY WILL HAVE KIDS AND RESTORE THE TARGARYEN DYNASTY AND HAVE DRAGONS AND DIREWOLVES AND HAVE A HAPPY ENDING

>>213707859
>Hangs Brienne
The last we saw of Brienne she got her cheek eaten by a random bandit and she was still on her gurl power quest.

>>213708283
No, last we saw of her she met up with Jaime to lead him to Lady Stoneheart.

ASOIAF can't be finished because the fat man didn't thought it through properly from the start. There are no overarching themes to tie everything together thematically. Was is even the main point of the story? War is...le bad? We must unite as one to fight...Climate Change™? ASOIAF was always hollow because it started as a misguided, infantile critique on Tolkien and his work. Yes, it has some intriguing setpieces, engaging dialogue and interesting world building at first glance (its all smoke and mirrors, no real depth to anything), but its basically a fantasy telenovela, not a timeless classic. It will be forgotten in a few decades, while Tolkien will live forever. That's what that fat degenerate atheist hedonist hippie gets as his legacy.

>>213708277
Based if true.

>>213708200
No wonder they got along so well.

>>213708340
>>213708283
She hanged her, but Brienne yelled "Sword!" or something.
Then when we see her fetch Jaime, she's wearing a scarf to cover up her neck.

>>213705631
>>213706792
Because that didn’t happen. Lady Stoneheart is one single chapter. She floats down the river, wakes up, vows revenge, lynches some Freys and fucks off. Most of what you hear about Lady Stoneheart is things people WANT to happen, not what has actually happened, which is basically nothing.
D&D had no idea what to do with the character, so they dropped it altogether.

>>213708626
Even with established characters like bran they had no idea what to do with him, that’s why they left him out of an entire season and why he does fuck all in the last two seasons.

>>213708389
>Then when we see her fetch Jaime, she's wearing a scarf to cover up her neck.
Huh I could have sworn her yelling "the only word she could think of" was the end of the last Brienne chapter ever. Does she have one more chapter at the end of book 4/5 and I just kind of forgot it?

This is an idiotic argument because the show changed so many details from the book it's impossible for both to have the same ending.

>>213705511
>some fags who rewatched the show claim you see it from start (regarding Danny
It's insanely obvious based on the books. The problem is that dumb and dumber decided to use the midseasons to hype up everything Dany does to portray her as a white savior archetype so then it makes the ending seem weird. The books very clearly show that she is not some bastion of good and book 5 specifically sets up the idea that she may go evil.

>>213701761
>>213706551
Yeah, it's this. At the time they'd been "confirmed" to be the directors of a Star Wars movie so they did a hackjob of GoT to go do that instead... Except by butchering the ending they fucked up hard enough that Disney went "Actually nvm lol".

>>213705626
Ned would be rolling in his fucking grave seeing his two daughters act with such dishonor.

>>213705761
It went downhill when they decided they were better writers than GRRM despite being nepo baby idiot producers. Which started in season 2.

>>213705573
>My friend was telling me that Caitlin Stark came back as a zombie too but I thought he was fucking with me

Genuinely sounds like bad fan faction. Glad it wasn't in the show.

>>213708845
In Jaime's last chapter in Dance

>>213708626
We saw all that though. Brienne was captured, hanged, and then we see Brienne getting Jaime away with a lie.
There's plenty of characters saying where the Brotherhood is and where they're seen.
We even see them infiltrating the army outside of Riverrun.
She's shown up in two chapters, Merret's epilogue and Brienne's last chapter in Feast. And the text pretty much holds your hand so you can tell when and where Lady Stoneheart has been doing things.
And they've killed some pretty important Freys: Ryman and Petyr Pimple.

>>213701385 (OP)
The white walkers will destroy the brown walkers

>>213709037
they also admitted they hacked it publicly which is just insane, why would anyone hire them after that?

GRRM is a retard for hiring them too, Troy (doobid wrote) has some of the most terrible dialogue ever written. Peak jew nepotism.

>>213702634
Him and Bran are the only ones that would subvert expectations. Most everyone still expects Danearys or Jon to save the day and become the ruler of westeros. My bet is still on Bran though since that's how the TV ended.

>>213701761
writing the ending for somebody else's work is like raising somebody else's kid, most people don't want to do it

>>213701385 (OP)
George is NEVER going to publish Winds of Winter

>>213705511
>>213708966
I never claimed I saw it coming from the start, but rewatching it makes it more obvious that it didn't come out of nowhere like many claimed. Bitch was burning people alive since season 2.

>>213703434
I genuinely think it would be funny if the Good Guys (tm) struggle and deplete all their manpower and resources fighting off the spooky snow zombies, and then Cersei Lannister, the dumb horrible bitch with no redeeming qualities, stomps them out and wins the game.

>>213709199
>George: "OY VEY, HOW DARE TOLKIEN RESURRECT GANDALF?!!?? THAT WAS A MISTAKE!!!"

>Resurrects Daenerys (DUDE THE FLAMES DIDN'T DESTROY HER LMAO)
>Resurrects Dondarrion (the red god thinks he's cute)
>Resurrects Catelyn
>Resurrects The Mountain (he is a BIG GUY...)
>Resurrects Aegon, son of Rhaegar
>He would resurrect Jon if he weren't such a fat lazy fatso
>Resurrects Sandor too, why not?

George Martin could publish The Winds of Winter and we could see, I don't know, Lysa Arryn, Shae, Robert Baratheon, Dick Crabb, and seven knows who else, all resurrected to multiply and complicate the plots.

>the original outline had 3 arcs (war of five kings, dany's invasion, white walker invasion)
>after writing 5 books, he still hasn't started arc 2
>for no reason at all, insists on a 7 book limit
>keeps rewriting book 6 over and over because cramming arc 2 into a single book isn't working
The lack of an ending is a self inflicted wound that he cut for no reason.

>>213709823
>with no redeeming qualities
She has great cheekbones.

>This was D&D OC in season 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8ES_ElI6Wg

What the hell happened?

>>213701894
*last 4

>>213710387
So much for the series where people are killed all the time and nobody is safe, huh.

>>213701385 (OP)
Well wasn't that obvious? The execution will be different but
>Bran will still ends up in the iron throne
>Sansa still will declare herself the queen in the north
>Arya still will kill the night king
>Dani still will go crazy and blow up the city killing thousands
>Jon still will kill Dani
>The white walker plot will still have an anticlimactic resolution

https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2025/05/28/howard-meets-hercules/
>I will never finish WINDS, If I do, I will never finish A DREAM OF SPRING. If I do, it won’t be any good. I ought to get some other writer to pinch hit for me… I am going to die soon anyway, because I am so old. I lost all interest in A Song of Ice and Fire decades ago. I don’t give a shit about writing any longer, I just sit around and spend my money.

>>213710387
>Resurrects Daenerys (DUDE THE FLAMES DIDN'T DESTROY HER LMAO)
She never died
>Resurrects Dondarrion (the red god thinks he's cute)
He's cute
>Resurrects Catelyn
It goes wrong
>Resurrects The Mountain (he is a BIG GUY...)
Frankenstein zombie abomination
>Resurrects Aegon, son of Rhaegar
fAegon
>He would resurrect Jon if he weren't such a fat lazy fatso
he would, but inshallah he'll no longer be a POV
>Resurrects Sandor too, why not?
let him rest

>>213701415
Considering he had nothing to do with the plot in the show or the finale, what's your point?

>>213709804
The weeks before the final season started, everyone at my work was talking about it. Basically all the women said that Dany was their favorite character, and I said that she was pretty villainous. It turned into a huge argument with everyone telling me how wrong I was and how Dany was a noble hero, then a few weeks later everyone was made at me for 'spoiling the twist'.

>>213710387
Fake deaths and zombies aren't resurrections, you only have a point with Dondarrion and Jon.

>>213701385 (OP)
I'm sure a lot of it but the lack of extra shit from the books made it shit. The Mad Queen stuff in particular will work a lot better in the book thanks to the existence of Aegon

>>213709703
The Kingdom worked best under King Roberts neglectful tyranny. The only solution is King Hodor.

>>213711534
Jon isn't resurrected either, and yes while likely he is in ghost and pulled back as a way to not break the Night Watch vow, it still comes with a burder of blood magic, this was shown with Renly. We just arent sure what the price for Jon to pay will be. Beric is the foil to the old/new God dynamic with resurrection. He has more of a point with Danny being changed in the flames from the magic Marwyn taught miraz durr. Because that is how we know the old and new have a commond thread. Blood sacrifice

>>213711618
>The Kingdom worked best under King Roberts neglectful tyranny.
The Lannisters accrued murderous power under King Robert's neglectful tyranny. There are no good kings; Team Smallfolk 4 lyfe.

>>213711666
checked, i however, prescribe to the great southryn conspiracy, where Starks were being asked by Rhaegar for support of new leadership in KL. Neds sister being the knight in the tourney solidifes that Robert was just jealous and Ned was caught in between due to duty, not honor. And by forgoing honor, honored his sister in a way that cannot be surpassed. We missed out on a Stark targaryean era

If books are vastly different shouldn't George be very motivated to finish them before he dies? Because it looks like he is stalling

>>213711666
>>213711618
But Robert's neglect led to something much worse than a noble family being too strong: Jews in power (Littlefinger)
From the peripheries, a petty lordling with ties to a foreign bank has been able to acqurie ungodly amounts of gold and purchase his way into the seat of two (2) Lord Paramounts and he's not stopping yet.

>>213711823
>very nearly as much time between Dragons and now as between AGoT and Dragons
>it looks like he is stalling
No, it looks like he has fully stopped as of many years ago.

>>213704351
only the first book is good

>>213711986
absolute hogwash, Game of Thrones > CoK > Storm of Swords is only eclipsed in fantasy by tolkein, Herbert and maybe one or two others. Its a top tier arc and denying that part is just being contrarian

>>213711505
I remember people saying Dany would go mad queen, and then get mad when it actually happened.

>>213711986
AGoT might be the worst, bits of it read like YA shit. That scene with Robert like "omg my son says one thing, and this little girl says another - what am I to do?!?!?"
And it's not that I don't get that it's meant to re-inforce his ineptitude it's just a really hamfisted way of doing so that like every single other adult in the room should've looked at him like what kind of fucking retard are you mate, you can't sort out a row between kids. Whereas the later books had much more subtle and believable ways of signalling things like that.

>>213711534
Beric is also pretty much a zombie in the books, with his body deteriorating after each of his deaths
only in the show it seems like it doesnt wear him down

>>213711835
that and the entire realm falling apart, which tbf is going to happen eventually but the north-vale-storm~riverlands alliance never should have

>>213712056
Yeah because like most things in the later seasons, the execution sucked.

>>213710387
It's because the way they will match the wights numbers and resurrections is with their own fire zombies (and no, there are no gods all magic is dependent on human sacrifice and radioactive comets)

>>213712056
>>213712145
the pivoted the marketing to girl power at the height of obama years, almost like a good bit of people involved didnt read the books and couldnt tell from book 1, george absolutely despises birthright rule. Danny is a casuality of, not be facetious, but society view on sex overall. Think about it, the pilot was shitcanned but reordered for a hotter, nude Danny. Danny's rape is instrumental along with Neds beheading to send the schlock schockwaves. Once the show reached peak and adapted the female audience, they completely forget george writes humans not marketing devices. The most glaring example of DnD not understanding on how to characterize opposed to trend was Sansa's rape. Im off on a tangent but i believe there was meta consequences to sex on tv after GoT

>>213712302
>ESL babble

>>213711618
>The Kingdom worked best under King Roberts neglectful tyranny.
Milions in debt due to Robert being a manchild who requires constant jousts or his ADHD would make him actually leave for Essos to become a merc.
Aerys actually left the kingdom well off, financially.

>>213712302
>a hotter, nude Danny
Tanzin was much better cast than the quadroon pajeeta.

>>213712591
o no i agree friend, i just find it peculiar. The original theory years back was grrm jsut wanted to get paid for the rights knowing that pilots dont get picked up and fortune fucked him. But iirc, nudity was one of the reasons (and they said image for danny) was the recast. Turned out to be a mistake bc Danny's medical issue affected screen time

>>213712591
Factually incorrect.

>>213712642
shes not a very good actor anon, in fact, her brother brutally mogs her in every scene season 1

>>213712642
>WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS
Easily the worst cast major character in the show, indefensible. Her brother looks way more fitting as a Targeryen prince than she does as a princess.
Also, she's beyond busted by season 8

>>213712713
Yeah, coupled with her girlboss makeover she's one of the biggest downgrades from the book. Euron is worse, I guess.

>>213712753
No you’re just a faggot.

>>213712893
Gays adore Emilia Clarke Dany and think the showrunners are evil for making her turn bad

I think GRRM just wrote too much pointless shit and couldn't figure out how to tie things together and gave up

>>213712553
Cute and wholesome.

>>213712713
>hes not a very good actor anon
This is true but he is just so much more fun a character that it's not a great example. Her scenes with Jorah and Barry make it much clearer imo.

>>213712937
it is commonly accepted that after Clash he became way more interested in worldbuilding and expanding the cast of characters than progressing the story, that's why basically nothing happens in Feast and Dance

>>213712753
>>213712788
>>213712930
Fuck out of here newfags. /tv/ is and always has been a pro Emilia board.

>>213701385 (OP)
The only main plot points of the ending I really object to is the North becoming an independent Kingdom under Sansa while the rest of the Kingdoms remain together under Bran. That's retarded.
The rest would have been alright if they didn't skip over all the lead up and just generally butcher the source material as they had already been doing for the three seasons before the final season.

>>213701385 (OP)
Actually, my headcanon is the ending, and I'm happy with it.

>>213713187
Dance was so fucking boring. I think it took me around 3 months to finish it

>>213709199
The 4th and 5th novels went off the rails quite a bit.

>>213713231
/tv/ would fuck ice cream that fell on the floor

>>213701385 (OP)
I liked the last 2 books better than the first three.

>>213713231
>pro the chick who wouldn't even wear contacts
yeah, nah

>>213704399
Playing a big part in the intermediary events while not being ultimately part of the ending doesn't mean they go no where. Euron has the same function, him and fAegon are other significant but lesser threats, whether they are resolved before or after the WW.

>>213713349
>has constant heatstrokes that give her brain damage and lessen her acting ability
>can't wear contacts, doesn't bother dying her eyebrows so she just has black eyebrows with pearly white hair
>is progressively uglier with each season
Worst casting.

>>213701415
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Night%27s_King

>>213713540
That's Night Apostrophe King
The show N'sK is just a random first man, anon. They show it.

>>213713452
>progressively uglier with each season
those bingo wings kek

>>213711404
>Dani still will go crazy and blow up the city killing thousands
She's already crazy, Jon Connington will sack the city when it surrenders because he has Bell-related PTSD.

>>213712553
>fat pink mast

It's beyond obvious that King Bran and crazy dany were GRRMs intended endings, whether it would play out exactly the same is up in the air, but that's what he was going to write

>>213713452
The wig was also horribly cheap because she wouldn't dye her hair.

piggly wiggly scrumptious crumpets

>>213701385 (OP)
I accepted that years ago. It's why he'll never finish the books. The "dude GRRM will totally write the same ending better" excuse is just cope. This was the ending he had planned, he can't figure out how to get where the story is now to the ending he has planned (because he kept adding plotlines and characters in act 3 like a retard when he should be starting to narrow things down), and besides, everybody hated the ending he had planned out, so why bother finishing it at all?

>>213713979
It's honestly baffling why they switched out Tamzin for a seemingly more demanding actress like that.

>be me
>be nerdy fantasy reader
>have nothing of value in life but books to escape in
>hear they're making a Song of Ice and Fire television show coming up in 2011
>get hyped
>reread series up to Dance With Dragons same year show comes out
>usually takes Martin 2-5 years to write a new novel, can't wait for Winds of Winter
>show continues into second season... third... fourth...
>getting nervous as its catching up to the books
>fifth... sixth... seventh...
>we're in uncharted territory
>show has taken a nosedive and is absolute trash
>been over six years now, where's the next book?
>show ends cataclysmically bad and everyone hates my beloved franchise
>oh well, the book will redeem it
>next year, 2020...
>2021... any day now
>2022... he's almost done, he said so
>2023... this is the year for sure
>2024... p-please g-george
>2025... ...
Hurts so bad bros.

>>213713349
Actually viserys’ actor didn’t want to wear them first. Plus that shit is pretty painful.

>>213713979
A good deal of the actors wore wigs you dumb shit.

>>213714993
But her wig specifically looked like absolute shit.

>>213714914
Anya wore the purple eye contacts to play Yennefer.

>>213715277
Not her fault.

>>213715365
No she didn’t, it was cgi. She refused to wear them for the same reason, too painful.
https://411mania.com/movies/the-witcher-stars-anya-chalotra-freya-allan-interview/

>>213715594
I was wrong, I stand corrected.

>>213715594
>Not her fault.
It is when she could just dye her hair and avoid using the cheap wig altogether.

>>213701534
>>213706340
I have positive thoughts about the Game of Thrones mod for Crusader Kings 2. Let's leave it at that.

>>213701385 (OP)
This mf is too horny for bad ends and keeps rewriting the entire Dothraki/Slavers Bay running a train on Dany.

Emilia Clarke's best scene was speaking in a made up language.
https://youtu.be/V4PPWYCqPKo?si=bNspqeOoG1KNIdc1

>>213715733
>why don’t productions just have actors permanently change their hair for roles instead of wigs
Consistency in between takes, saving time on set, versatility to change if the script demands it. Not hard to understand. The production should’ve made a better wig.

>>213714914
Colored contacts are not painful. They can be a challenge to get out if you are queezy about touching your eyeballs.

>>213714410
I can't wait until this fat cowardly fuck is dead so a workman type author can serviceably end the series

>>213705626
>What a disaster
And yet all the showfags clapped.
Could you imagine how normalfags would react if Baelish managed to weasel himself out of this?

>>213701415
minor detail. the basic structure of the ending was all clearly his idea and you can see it being set up in the books from chapter 1.

>>213706792
the first three books are worth reading if you can stomach all the rape, torture, cynicism, child rape and godlessness. i never managed to penetrate the 4th book, the first chapter is interesting and then it turns into a slog when he tries to introduce dorne. worst faction in the whole setting. spaniards but even more gay and more moored, what an amazing idea george. but overall the series is worthless and id still only say the first three books are worth your time if you have a surplus of it

>>213716053
nobody who watched the show during its height was still watching by the end, it was literally just normies and niggers who jumped on the bandwagon at the very last minute from sheer FOMOtis and they all clapped to pretend they understood what was going on, then immediately dropped the show. the original fans were already gone after season 6 and 7

>>213714410
Honestly just read fanfiction

>>213708343
Tropes and archetypes exist in storytelling for a good reason. When you write a story based entirely upon subverting and deconstructing a genre, you are left with nothing to show for at the end, because the pillars upon which the grand finale should have been built are simply not there.

Something that isn't mentioned enough is that the actors themselves were reaching breaking point. They'd been filming the show forever and didn't have a few more seasons in them. Sure D+D wanted that sweet star wars deal, but some of the main actors also wanted out.

>>213716376
you can subvert tropes and archetypes but it needs to actually go somewhere or have some sort of point. the subversion needs to be done in the name of some other, higher ideal. but george has no ideals, just nihilism. really there is no realistic end to georges ending, its just rape and child murder and child murder rape until the others show up and kill everyone. thats the most acceptably real ending and anything else would be an asspull or a deus ex machine

>>213716468
>some of the main actors also wanted out of making a million per episode on one of the biggest show in the world.

>>213701385 (OP)
>The more she shat the more she shit
>The more she shit the more she shat

>>213716749
cervantes did it better

>>213701385 (OP)
my schizo theory
>george wanted them to spend an extra 3 seasons telling the plot points of season 8
>people funding the show didnt want it to last that long
>D&D forced to shove everything into the end of season 7 and season 8 using fewer episodes per season as well
>D&D copy Georges notes on the plot points as faithfully as possible
>people hated the ending for various reasons, one thing they bring up is how Dany was killed by Jon
>D&D blamed for the shitty last 2 seasons when really it was the moneybag guys who forced everything in last 2 seasons to be rushed, D&D carries ruined because of it
>Dany killing Jon was one of georges biggest twists for the story, the fact that people hated it annoys him and is one reason the last book is delayed so much
>another reason is he is worried once the last book is out then the stolry will be 'complete' and people will lose interest in the spin offs which are making him loads of money.

>>213716930
>*D&D careers ruined
fixed

>>213716468
I bet they miss their comfy GoT gig now that their Hollywood careers tanked

>>213716930
nah hbo wanted to give them more seasons but they wanted to go film star wars

>>213716930
George had already checked out when GOT was at its peak and everyone was calling him the new Tolkien so him not finishing the books wasnt due to season 8

>>213714914
>Plus that shit is pretty painful.
I wear contacts, and no they aren't painful unless you get something underneath them.

>>213715733
I can't blame her for that since dying your hair bleach blonde or white is incredibly bad for you.

>>213702714
You are one of the few people with this correct opinion I have seen online. I think somehow with each season getting worse than the last, people somehow look at 2-4 with rose colored glasses.

>>213717367
Those weren’t regular contacts though you dink.

>>213718045
Literally just a different color

>>213706850
I remember a good fanfic wher Rhaella gave birth later and Viserys had to leave without her and it ends up with Stannis raising Daenerys.Shame it has not been updated since 2019

>>213707793
How the fuck is Jaime Lannister going to survive her in winds?

but damn I want to read winds to see Jaime react to a magical entity for the first time

>>213708277
More interesting than Bran being magic Bill Clinton desu

>>213708773
Why they included him being King from the barebones outline that barely exist and not change it to someone who actually does something in there scripts is baffling
I guess they do not know they could make the ending whatever they want like have them fight the real world nazis like in fma 2003

>>213708966
This only makes sense if you're into liberal compromise with slaver Andrew Johnson BS

>>213709823
Why was she on the throne anyway
the westlanders should have been mad at her for Kinslaying Kevan Lannister
the poor fellows and warrior sons should have taken over kings landing to avenge their leader.

Dorne is the coolest kingdom

>>213701385 (OP)
His last published chapter will be about dragon queen shitting herself. BRAVO!

>>213711404
Sansa as queen in the north was fanfiction in response to the mary sue website being mad at them in 2015 for having her become Jeyne Pool.

>>213711591
Euron is killing Faegon before Dany gets to westeros

Faegon will move to liberate oldtown after winning kings landing

>>213716468
Good thing all their careers took off. The problem was the actors were trying to get huge contracts from HBO and HBO balked at them rightfully so they all sucked. The best actors died in season 1 and it got progressively worse with almost all the good actors dead after season 4.

>>213713779
are you one of those Dany is a white savior in Ghiscari types despite Valeryia and Ghiscari being next to each other and having 5000 years of shared history

I doubt fAegon will travel to Oldtown and face Euron. No, Euron will be defeated by Sam in some bullshit Merry move by backstabing him with his father's sword after Garlan Tyrell (the biggest GIGACHAD of Westeros) sacrifices himself for an opening.

>>213718745
I'm not sure what one has to do with the other. She does have a savior complex, but she's a self-righteous dumb 15 (16?) year old as of the latest book and she's made a lot of mistakes along the way.
If you mean the Ghiscari would historically be inclined to hate Valyrians, yeah they would be and could be used as an argument that she should have been super brutal to them or something, but instead she consistently walked the line where she pissed everyone off but then gave them a bunch of concessions to cling to power. Either leave them be and fuck off or don't take half measures and kill them and be done with it.

>>213717969
Season 2
>Tyrion's political maneuvering as Hand of the King
>Theon's conflict to choose his estranged blood family or adopted family
>Battle of the Blackwater
Season 3
>Jaime's redemption arc begins
>Tywin's political maneuvering as Hand of the King
>Olenna and Margaery trying to outmaneuver the Lannisters
>Jon and Ygritte's relationship
>Dany gets an army
>The Red Wedding
Season 4
>Littlefinger and Olenna kill Jeoffrey
>Littlefinger kills Lysa
>Tyrion's trial
>Oberyn volunteering to fight for Tyrion
>Arya and The Hound
>Ygritte dies in Jon's arms
>Tyrion kills Shae and Tywin

Most characters had their best development in these seasons.

>>213718663
Even back then it was kinda funny to see the mismatch between the clueless showfags boarding the YES QUEEN SLAY hype train while in the books Dany was the victim of the author's female humiliation fetish, while also being set up for going bananas because MUH TARGARYAN COINFLIP (not really backed up by Targ history but whatever). Also, Dany is really, really dumb, she only got so far due to having the thickest plot armor (not even Arya or Jon can defeat her in that department).

>>213718725
Kit and Emilia always sucked

>>213714410
Sad!
>Be me
>Finish dance of dragons and immediately see he's written himself into a corner and that he'll never finish the series
This was over a decade ago.

I remember when they show first came out and that picture of dinklage hiding behind a shield kept on being posted and i was like lmao thats a midget and then I watched the show

>>213719279
I skipped the first couple dany chapters since it was just porn basically

>>213720635
Its kinda weird how the Gurm wrote a chapter about a 13 year old willingly surrendering to a savage brute who bought her like cattle to fulfil a prophecy...and tried to frame that as being romantic. Isn't it sweet that the brute didn't immediately rape her and she (the small child) seduced him instead? What the actual fuck. But hey, the Germ is a lefty so he gets a pass. Its a dark fantasy novel after all, and this won't be the last of his barely disguised fetishes written on page.

>>213701385 (OP)
Be honest anons. Even if George finished the last two books tomorrow, would you even give a shit? The momentum for the story is utterly gone, and so much time has passed that everyone has basically figured out how all the pieces would move to the inevitable checkmate.

George sold his soul, got lazy, and decided a life of shame and self-loathing as an obese fuck is preferable to artistic sacrifice .

>>213718932
If Faegon doesnt he is just sitting in kings landing waiting for things to happen, and that is closer then the crisis in the north

>>213721057
He'll be busy with Cersei (not in a sexual way...or maybe in a sexual way as well).

>>213720986
Her pussy is so sore from constant nightly doggy-style pounding and daily endless horse riding that she considers suicide. Then one of her 14 year old handmaidens teaches her cowgirl-style and everything is okay from there. This is all told in vivid detail.
This 14 year old handmaiden also later goes down on the 14 year old Khaleesi.
BRAVO GEORGE

>>213721112
It's honestly insane how much someone can get away with if they ally themselves with the Left. If an author who was identified as conservative wrote this exact same book, there'd be mass campaigns to get it pulled from stores.

>>213721112
In ADWD it is also implied that Dany received ass-to-mouth penetration from Daario. No, I'm not joking. The text goes that Daario took her ''in every way a man can take a woman'', and then at dawn it describes her blowing him before he leaves on a mission. The closer you look, the more disgusting it gets.

>>213712069
Aliser Thorne in AGOT is 100% a YA novel villain.

>MUH BASTERD

>>213701385 (OP)
Everyone thinking otherwise is in denial because they don't want to admit they spent 20 years of their lives on a story with an ending so shit it retroactively ruins everything

>>213708343
the overarching story is that people are fighting dumb monkey wars while there is a far larger threat coming to annihilate them all. It's a good story, it's realistic, it's entertaining to imagine how all these kingdoms will react when a massive supernatural threat starts to creep over the land

>>213701385 (OP)
It was his ending in the same way that Ramsay marrying a Stark girl and mistreating her was his storyline. It's all in the execution. Without Faegon looking like The One True King with his majestic elephants and civilised sellsword army that liberated the people from the Lannister incest rule it makes no sense for Dany to go insane and burn the city down, because the city would obviously never choose Cersei to be their queen or fight to protect the city for her in the face of a dragon. They wouldn't even let her stay near the throne after Tommen died. D&D were lazy cunts and cut out all the stuff that would have made the ending make perfect sense.

In the same way they never did anything with Bran's powers after the Hold The Door moment. GRRM obviously told them about that, they creamed their pants in what an epic tweeest scene it would make, but then they had no clue where he was going with that revelation and they'd lazily cut basically everything to do with warging so they just ignored it completely in favour of Bran being wheeled around to stare autistically at people.

>>213721257
Don't you worry. I remember. Let's see what else....
>Dany fantasizing about marrying both Jorah and Daario
>Dany fantasizing about abandoning her quest for the throne to be Daario's gangbang girlfriend
>Myrish swamp
>Fat pink fast
>Her cunt became the world
>Nipples as black as coal
>The Lord's Kiss
>certain Essosi cities specialize in creating child sex slaves
>Ramsay makes fakeArya fuck dogs
And perhaps most comical at all the only black people in the setting are the Summer Islanders who have an orgy-based culture.

>>213702415
He's written a thousand pages. He just keeps deleting them and starting over, creating more and more extraneous POV chapters to be released as "teasers".

>>213722603
Too bad it all gets solved in a chapter because monkey wars were way more important in the end

>>213722603
That is the plot setup, not the overarching theme. There is no thematic backbone to the series that goes beyond ''war is bad'', which is not exactly groundbreaking material, is it?

>>213722663
>Dany fantasizing about abandoning her quest for the throne to be Daario's gangbang girlfriend

This one is the best. The feminist's boss queen idol is literally a vapid entitled teenager who can barely prevent herself from giving up everything in exchange for mercenary cock. You can't make that shit up...

>>213713913
Bran is literally a tree

>>213701761
Cast hated the show
They wanted out
Crew stopped giving a shit so production values fell every episode
Writers wanted to be more famous
Directors wanted to be star wars guys
Uses GRRMs script for how the series ends
Audience hates it
Everyones careers implode
None of them are getting work a tenth as recognizable as what they had
George realizes everyone will actually hate his autistic story
Perpetually working on it
Hoping to die before anyone forces him to finish

>>213718626
>whole city hates her, at least half believes she's an incest freak
>ready to lynch her while she's having her walk of shame
>obviously has a breakdown with that whole shame thing
>9/11s their St. Peter's Basilica, along with the pope and the future queen who's actually beloved by the people
>the king, her only remaining tie to the throne, "jumps out a window" that same day when she's the only one in the room
Even the fucking King's Guard would have turned on her at that point and declared her an insane kinslayer. She has zero claim to the throne and she's reviled by everyone. D&D just kept her around because they liked the way she looked drinking wine and acting like a bitch.


>>213703434
With the title of the final book being A Dream Of Spring I've always assumed that all the nobles and 70-80% of the population will die fighting the Others, leaving the kingdom in a state where they can grow beyond the Iron Throne because with no more long winters the commoners won't be dying off every winter while the nobles hoard all the grain just to let a few people survive. Not just a spring in the sense of no more long winters but a springtime for the commonfolk as well. Dany might look like she'll take the throne after the Others are dealt with but then she goes mad when the people choose fAegon over her and they both die, the two last Targ claimants to the throne gone and Jon spending the rest of his Coldhands-style-unlife in the cold wastes as the King of Ice.

>>213722636
JonCon is the one being set up for going nuts and burning KL, since he regrets not doing that to kill Robert (which would have saved his emo boyfriend from 1v1 BobbyB and his hammer). Maaaaaybe Cersei ignites the underground wildfire stashes and blames Dany and her dragons, I can see that happening.

>>213718626
uhhh because grim and gritty
there's rape and shitting and everyone's a terrible person, isn't it realistic???

>>213704095
>>213703819
It's also pretty crucial that Dany loses a dragon or a lot of her people in the war against the Others and then goes back to "her" throne and finds that the people are unwilling to give it to her. Faegon probably won't believe any stories about Others, because he's not Westerosi, and so he'll just sit that whole thing out in King's Landing. So then after Dany sacrifices so much to save the people she'll snap because they don't even believe she's done anything and just see the bloodthirsty barbarian showing up on the back of a dragon, with eunuchs and horsefuckers as her "family". All her sacrifices (going all the way back to being sold off to a horselord while he got the life of a prince in hiding) will have been for nothing and she'll decide to burn the city down rather than give up the throne to a pretender that didn't have to sacrifice anything. Instead of MUH BELLS.

>>213713913
>>213722898
Book bran is going to rule because he's manipulating everybody, including historical events, with his greenseeing and warging powers to put himself in power.

Meanwhile in the show he's the king because the kinslaying regicide made a speech and said... He's got the best story???

>>213722719
having only one theme like "war is bad" would be insanely boring, there are many themes

>>213723144
You mean the little hippie elves will rule by way of manipulating Bran through their Tree Internet, because Gurm is obsessed with hiveminds, ''transcendance'', non-human creatures and occultist bullshit, as the edgy misantrope he is. Remember, war is...le bad. People are...le bad.

>>213723255
The weirwood trees only serve as a repository of knowledge, anon. It's not a hivemind that can control people. You can just see everything they've ever seen, which is why the Old Gods religion had you swear oaths or marry in front of the tree, and then the people with power could access that knowledge when questions come up about what a person swore to do or whether a marriage is legitimate.

Bran's sinister powers come from the warging that lets him invade people's minds, a power he shares with all the Stark children.

Do you think GRRM would have finished by now in the president Al Gore timeline?

>>213723198
Sure, but not so much a big one that ties everything together in the end. I mean, to be fair, I can think of a decent one aside from war is bad: generational trauma. What drives most povs and important characters is their fucked up upbringing that pushes them to self-destruction and societal instability. Tywin acts like that because he was insecure about his father being weak, Tyrion acts like that because his father rejected him and humiliated him and his first wife, Jon acts like that because Catelyn is a cunt and he feels like he doesn't belong etc. I'm steelmanning in favor of ASOIAF here, since that would only be a minor or secondary theme in better books with more to say.

Why are people still arguing about this? The series is never getting finished.

>>213723387
>he weirwood trees only serve as a repository of knowledge, anon. It's not a hivemind that can control people.

Sounds like something a CotF would say. Begone, abomination, or you will taste the steel of my people yet again.

>>213723418
Robb wouldn't have gotten himself killed if it hadn't been for his Father lying about Jon's parentage to make it seem like he had a bastard during a war and abandoned the mother AND Catelyn treating Jon in that way. All he was trying to do is rectify the mistakes both his parents made and he got fucked because of it.

>>213723387
bran actually ate jojen

>>213723467
>gets BTFO by magic wielders in Essos
>flees across the seas
>autistically kills and destroys every vestige of magic and creates the only religion where there's no magic involved
Were they the start of the Maester conspiracy?

>>213723497
Mummer's tears, The Prince That Came Too Late didn't burn.

>>213723470
>Stannis could have warned his elder brother in time if they had a better relationship
>Lysa would not have gone insane and killed her husband if her father had not forced her to have an abortion and marry an old man she despised
>the entirety of Dorne breathes generational trauma and is burning for vengeance
>Blackwoods vs. Brackens
>Quentyn basically kills himself because his father sent him on a suicide mission

We could be here all day, anon.

>>213708343
Why does a story need a “theme” or “message” that’s retarded. In reality shit just happens. Nobody sat on their ass when they heard the Germans surrendered and asked their friend “So what was the moral message of all this?”

>>213723625
Sure, Dan. You might wanna stick to marvel movies.

>>213723597
>Quentyn basically kills himself because his father sent him on a suicide mission
>he doesn't know

My favorite part of all this is how highly he thinks of himself, and how much he came short

>I'm a genius writer, look at me upend fantasy tropes. Take that Tolkienfags!!!
>I'll write dozens of plotlines involving hundreds of characters, I'm a genius, I'll resolve them later
>5 books later
>FUCK, I can't resolve them at all
>Uh I guess I'll write prequel books and act as a spinoff show consultant to show that I still care about the world but I'm just buying time until I die

His lack of discipline really shows both in his style (gardener bullshit), his productivity (there are none), and his lifestyle (fat fuck). The best thing he could get is a "what could've been", he'll never join the ranks of the greats

>>213723625
If a fictional work doesn't offer an intellectual challenge and some sort of edifying message, it is nothing more than hollow content, a masturbatory exercise, a waste of time.

>>213723703
>his productivity (there are none)
I think he actually is quite productive. He writes a fuckload, it's just that it's either other books like the wildcard stuff or more POV chapters nobody wants, because his problem was not doing a timeskip and trying to write his way out of it by doing more and more POVs so that there's something happening while various other POVs are travelling around, so that nobody is teleporting like in the show. He needs the discipline or an editor to tell him to stop, not to write more.

>>213723696
Preston, please, not now.

Fatso only gets a pass if he is rewriting the story so that Stannis wins

>>213723808
How will Stannis lose in the books?
>lose to Ramsay
No.

>>213723767
>I think he actually is quite productive. He writes a fuckload,
>1500 pages in 14 years

3 days for 1 page.

>>213723752
I don't read fictional works for "intellectual challenges" or "edifying messages", I read them because I think they're entertaining and/or I like the characters. You sound like a pseudointellectual faggot.

>>213722900
>None of them are getting work a tenth as recognizable as what they had
Pedro and Momoa have to be the biggest winners from the series and they were both in for only 1 season

>>213723703
He has only written three of the twenty Dunk and Egg books too
which is getting adapted next year

>>213723771
I've never watched a single Preston thing. It's just too obvious that something is up when GRRM went out of his way to point out that a character is incapable of fake crying while his friend can, and then having the faker cry at an unrecognisable burnt body. If he's not planning something there then it's a ridiculously executed fakeout for no good reason. I don't think it'll be any grander plan than him leading the sellsword company and making them declare for Dany at a crucial moment when other captains abandon her, though.

>>213723771
Preston being an anti China glowie Lib is so sad

>>213723916
You sound like a zoomer coomer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>213723937
It might be a red herring, but there is a lot of setup for the switcharoo, yeah. Like both the Tattered prince and Quentyn being described as common looking (people wouldn't even recognize the prince without his cloak). Drinkwater acting very suspicious, the body being conveniently unrecognizable, and the classic:
>dragon fire can't melt leather whips

>>213723945
Truly a shame. I stopped taking him seriously after his atrocious Brienne analysis videos.

>>213720986
theres like a whole ass page or two in the second or third dany chapter describing in detail every aspect of the brown warlord horse guys penis, how thick and girthy it is and how much slick cum and veins are all over it, legit felt like that part from south park where garrison tries to write porn and its just really cocks. and i just sorta went 'yknow, im not reading this, Im not even sure I should own this, im just gonna start skipping any dany chapters until it gets interesting' and i dont regret my decision

>>213723852
Those are the pages he's keeping. Not the pages he's actually written and then rewritten or deleted in favour of doing something else with another POV, or pages of other projects he's focused on because they're easier to think about than tSoIaF. Like I said, he needs discipline. Really good writers know when to stop writing. Or an editor sitting next to him and hitting him on the fingers when he's got the urge to rewrite or discard something. I had that trouble in school. Give me an assignment to write at home and I'd waste so much fucking time rewriting sentences or deleting paragraphs to "make it better". Make me write it in class with a teacher checking in regularly and I'd be done in 20 minutes.

>>213723916
The story wouldn’t be entertaining and the characters wouldn’t be memorable without those things you fuckhead,

>>213723842
Stannis wins the battle for Winterfell but the Pink Letter convinces Melly Sanders that he lost. She burns Shireen to bring the chosen one back to life which causes Jon to come back from the dead. All the northern houses and cultists switch sides and declare Jon king. Stannis finally breaks and kills himself.

>>213724074
>people wouldn't even recognize the prince without his cloak
Yeah the focus on the cloak being the thing people actually pay attention to really stands out. It's gotta be a setup for something. Too bad we'll never know where he was going with it.

>>213714053
He would have written the same ending better, I am fine with almost all major plotpoints, plus many smaller characters will have different storylines, but it looks like George simply given up on books due to fan reception of "his" ending

>>213724083
The only interesting Dany chapters are in ADWD, when she stops stumbling from one plot armor win to the next, conquering city after city, getting her life saved in the nick of time, having competent generals swear allegiance to her out of the blue, and generally having things work out for her one way or another. In that book she actually has to rule a city and it turns out she sucks. Big time. It all ends in diarrhea before she goes full Targretard (you should never go full Targretard).

>>213723771
>>213723945
>>213724074
his streams are guilty pleasure of mine, but i have to hide my power level from all of the other turbolibs in the chat and him of course

>>213723919
Don't forget the freak from the Last of Us.

>>213701534
Didn't he write Elden Scrolls tho? People liked that, didn't they?

>>213723937
So my boy Quentyn survived all of that just to simp for some dragonussy? After she rejected him publicly? his father will probably be dead by that point anyway

>>213724193
I forgive you, anon. I also enjoy his earlier works.

>>213724145
>which causes Jon to come back from the dead
I honestly don't think she'll even have that much success. I think it's far more likely he'll end up like Coldhands, having warged back into his own dead body. Maybe by way of the bodies in the ice jail, because they seem to get an odd amount of focus and it could lead to some tense chapters where he was to convince people he's not a wight so they won't burn him. That would explain why he fucks off North of the wall in the show, despite being a living person and no one living there any more. Because D&D were told by GRRM that Jon stays in the Lands of Always Winter (to not rot) and they were too stupid to understand that it matters WHY he does that and thought it was just because he loved the place for some reason.

Also there's no way all the Northern houses stand united. There's been too much ground work set up for a succession war in the North between the different Stark claimants to the throne. A lot of them will join Jon when Robb's letter is revealed, but tons will back Skagos and others the men who claim to be married to Arya and Sansa, who'll say that Jon's a bastard who took an oath so he can't inherit and Bran and Rickon were burned to death so Skagos is using an impostor, leaving the girls the only true heirs to Robb. Then you'll have the Southern claim, with Robb's wife having kept his baby and the Westerlings proclaiming themselves to have always been loyal to Robb and ready to be stewards until his son is old enough to rule.

The cancelled Long Night tv show made it clear George really doesn't give a single fuck anymore as he actually thought it was a good idea to have HBO freelancers writing the most important lore in the saga for him.

But yes, people that say what OP is saying have never read the books so they have no idea how HARD the show deviates. It's like Nolan Batman vs Batman Forever

>>213724106
this is why writing should be entrusted to people like tolkien who already spent most of their time writing. LOTR was really just kinda a byproduct of his linguistic, theological and mythical studies.
captcha: SAAXX

>>213724182
I thought the warlocks of qarth were sorta interesting, but not so much dany during that part yeah

>>213723703
>how highly he thinks of himself, and how much he came short
Honestly I wouldn't even be mad at him if it wasn't for that. I hate fans' entitlement, creators don't owe them shit and are not at the fans beck and call.
If GRRM wants to spend the rest of his years having fun with his money, focus on other pet projects and he's fine with being remembered as a writer who could have finished his most popular and defining work but he wasn't able to, that's his right. Just don't go around comparing yourself to Tolkien or any other writer who could finish what they started.

>>213724258
>protect Dany so she's not cut down by some Essos sellsword cunts
>she remains in power and can finally go to Westeros
>finally your family will get revenge for Elia Martell
>Dany leaves you in charge in Essos because of your loyalty and royal blood
>end up king of Meereen while the shitshow goes down in Westeros
>use your military power and trade routes to fuel a Dornish rebellion against the throne after Dany dies
>????
>profit

>>213724365
It's also why reporters often make for decent writers. They already had a job where they had to know how to self-edit and cut things down to fit various publications. That's a much better skill than being able to write page after page of meandering effluence. Any fanfic writer can do that.

>>213724335
I can't wait for George to die so somebody can finally finish the story.

I think his problem is introducing both Others and Dany & her dragons in book one without clear idea what to do with them once they arrive, that's why after War of 5 kings ended in book three he started doing all those Dorne and Ironborn and Faegon and Arianne's brown nipples filler storylines.

I think in broad strokes his ideas were shown in show: Others get defeated early on before their army grows too big and then Dany goes mad and has to be stopped by Jon, but George got no idea how to get there.

>>213724431
>Dany leaves you in charge in Essos because of your loyalty and royal blood
>every city in slaver's bay comes for your ass since Dany left without solving the Mereenese knot mess
>butcherking2.exe

>>213724507
If you have no idea how to get there then that you probably shouldn’t go through with that idea.

>>213724340
i think it's possible Jon will live his days beyond the wall , it's such a George thing to do, i have read his other novels and they all end in a more bitter than sweet manner, but in a satisfying way , he will kill Dany most likely, supposedly Bran being King was confirmed by George himself, D and D said so.

I think the ending being so hated has slowed down the release of Winds, i have read all of the books twice and in my opinion there is no way he is finishing this story in only 2 books.

I'm still hopeful about getting Winds,but there is no way in hell we are getting ADOS

>>213724412
>heh, oh that old tolkien. orcs are unrealistic! theyre too evil to be believable!
>*writes the most cartoonishly evil characters ever*
>*writes royal house as depraved psychopaths whose entire culture is centered around killing people; their coat of arms is a flayed man, their motto is 'our blades are sharp', their capitol is the dreadfort*
>theyre not even an interesting take on evil or sadism like the Judge from BM, theyre just le evil
bravo george!

>>213724543
Why did they put Cleon's corpse back in his armor when they could have just had a live guy pretend to be him like Loras wearing Renly's armor when they charged Stannis at KL

>>213724553
That's the gardener style of writing for you. Just a bunch of mystery box tv bullshit.

>>213724412
Let’s not forget that George has lied out his ass constantly. A good example is him saying he won’t get involved in any tv projects until winds is done but now he’s involved in another show.

>>213724543
>Dany left without solving the Mereenese knot mess
>implying she's not going to come back on her dragon at the head of a horde of horsefuckers even greater than her previous one and sack every other city around, earning the eternal loyalty of the horsefuckers because of the legendary amount of loot they're getting, far surpassing anything their ancestors ever looted

>>213724412
Actually i don't think it's his right. Sure, it's not ilegal, but it's a very cowardly thing to do. You wrote all of these fucking books, you took people's time and attention for decades, and then you just stop? At least have the dignity to come clean and tell everyone "Sorry guys, i'm old and fat and i can't finish this shit." He would rather die being a coward.

>>213724335
>Because D&D were told by GRRM that Jon stays in the Lands of Always Winter (to not rot) and they were too stupid to understand that it matters WHY he does that and thought it was just because he loved the place for some reason.

sauce? i think it's a fitting ending for him to be happy with the wildlings that accepted him for who he was in the end
>>213724505
he has instructed his wife and employees to not let anybody touch his works if he dies apparently, so unless someone breaks into his house and steals that damn DOS computer and all of his notes we are cooked

>>213701385 (OP)
some stuff probably, like Jon killing Dany, but other is so far removed from the books it's impossible, like Arya killing the Great Other

I can also see Tyrion being the hand of the king, Bran being the king of Westeros, Brianne in the King's guard. I doubt Bronn will make it to the top, maybe he will be a mid level lord, or something like that.

Sansa will probably wed Robin Arrin, so unlikely she will get Winterfell, either Rickon or Sansa's children

>>213724559
There's so much crazy shit going on with Bran it's not even close to assume this is the ending. We have evidence that Bran could actually end up being the villain, Coldhands (completely deleted from the show) is such a mysterious character that could be from the future where Bran has fucked up the world or some shit, There's the Three Eyed Crow which we still know jackshit about, all we we know is that he also tried to recruit Euron Greyjoy when he was young, and that he is not Bloodraven and might actually be an agent of the Others.

>>213724689
This. The fans aren't even that entitled, he's just been leading them on for over a decade like a jackass.
>implying they aren't going to sell out the second he kicks the bucket

>>213724689
Paris will respect his wishes, and if his assistants release anything she will sue them most likely

>>213724689
He can legally prevent anyone doing anything with his works indefinitely after his death.

>>213724624
This. The fans aren't even that entitled, he's just been leading them on for over a decade like a jackass.
>>213724636
>implying they aren't going to sell out the second he kicks the bucket

>>213710387
the problem GRRM has with Gandalf coming back it's not really that he came back, but that his sacrifice was meaningless since he come back basically the same as before. Either die to let them escape, or get powered down by this choice

>>213724710
>>213724714
>taking the legal equivalent of a 3-day for posting something janny doesn't want people to see
Someone will do it.

Reminder that the last season revealed something important, maybe without D&D even realizing it: In one scene during the final battle we see Bran warging into many crows at once to go scout the enemy troops. This is more evidence that NK could just be a next-level warg.

>>213724594
They do things differently in Essos.
How come no one stole Dany's dragons in Qarth when all she had at the time as a tired old westerosi knight and a bunch of dead weight around her?

>>213724136
How so? I can't think of any story I ever read or watched where I thought about "the message" beyond hearing about it and then ignoring it. I like Star Wars for the war and shooting lasers and explosions and cool planets and aliens and the soundtracks, not because of whatever nonsense moral message it might be trying to convey. I always preferred the Sith anyway.

>>213723767
Books one and two has Cat teleporting all over the place, he only started doing those boring travel blogs in book four

will GRRM be remembered in the future you think? I think nay. if anything he should expect to be remembered with ridicule and disdain. if he is even remembered in the future at all it will be in the way that Jerónimo de Pasamonte is remembered. as in, he is only remembered because he is mocked ruthlessly in don quijote by cervantes in a passing reference

>>213724771
Nah it was just D&D trying to give bran literally anything to do, and try not to seem like he’s doing fuckall which he was.

>>213724787
Guest right when that Xaro guy invoked his power to invite them in the city?
I dunno.

>>213724824
>I can't think of any story I ever read or watched where I thought about "the message" beyond hearing about it and then ignoring it.
thats because you have single digit IQ lmao

>>213724835
People will literally shit on his grave and the more they drink the more they'll shit.

>>213724835
george wrote one of the most famous fictional universes of the 2000, with at least 3 major tv productions beyond it. he will be remembered no matter what, like JK

>>213724824
Star Wars wouldn’t be where it is today if it just catered to simpletons like you who just wanted blasters and laser swords. The themes surrounding characters like Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker as well the conflict between them is what took the franchise to popularity.

>>213724824
You might be perfectly entertained by flashing lights and loud noises but that doesn't mean everyone operates the same way.

>>213724677
>I doubt Bronn will make it to the top, maybe he will be a mid level lord, or something like that.
The obvious part of that is that Bronn wouldn't WANT to do that shit. Why would he want to spend his days talking to idiots and doing brainy work when he could chill back at his keep and put babies in his slightly retarded noble wife while messing with her relatives? He's never shown to have any kind of plans to be a royal advisor or running an organisation (or military command) of any kind, he just wants to be paid enough to live a comfortable life and that's what he was given by Tyrion. He's living the dream of every hedge knight.

I can't see Bran being king simply because no lords would back him when he's an impotent cripple. They'd all know that they're just setting the kingdom up for another succession crisis within a generation. Him being "king" by ruling from the position of Hand and mindraping the king, though? Very possible. It's more likely that the whole system is destroyed, though. All the players die and what's left is the hope that something new will spring up now that there's no more winters stunting their development.

>>213708343
There's an overaching theme, it's not climate change

It's basically a moral lesson on the hubris and futility of a hero. If you stick to your morals you're basically a retard and you should lie and adapt to situations around you. That's why the store treats Tyrion as the real jerk and punishes him whenever he tries to be grandiose
Each books ending is about that

>Ned tried to be a moral upstanding hand
>Manages to get his entire kingdom to fall

Book 2
>Stannis tries to save the realm
>Gets punished and loses

Book 3
>Rob wins all his battles
>Loses to a cripple 90 year old Chad because of heros live

Book 4
>Cersei/Brianne the would be heros of their story
>Heroism cannot exist within systemic rot.

Book 5
>Jon the noble protector
>Even compromise in your ideal is still not enough, the system kills you for appearing to reach too high.

The themes are there

The Just Man
The Lawful Savior
The Young Hero/warrior king
The Would be Heros
The Pragmatic and Logical Leader

He's just taken the common hero tropes of fantasy genres and basically 180ing their stories by making them lose in the end.
It's not that deep but the theme is there

>>213724928
>because no lords would back him when he's an impotent cripple

most lords would be either friends or relatives of his. But in real history most of the time Lords loved weak kings, because it meant less oversight

>>213724897
Eh, a bit less. Cinema > TV. Everyone even in North Korea knows who Harry Potter is, but there are many people who have no idea wtf GOT is beyond than "Oh that show with boobs and blood."

>>213724828
>Books one and two has Cat teleporting all over the place
She took the sea route to get to King's Landing and so moved faster than the royal retinue and then we see her moving slowly when transporting Tyrion? That's hardly teleporting like in the show where Littlefinger is all over the place.

>>213724897
but unlike JK he blew it and didnt even manage to finish the damn series. harry potter, whether you like it or not, has an ending. it has a well constructed plot that goes somewhere. most people thought it was good, I remember deathly hallows being very well remembered by the public. people were HYPED for the last two books. if grrm announced he was releasing the last two books tomorrow i wouldnt give a shit, I would go and read a better book. he has completely killed any hype or interest that was built up around his series.

>>213724928
They obviously didn't want to waste more time shooting episodes with Bran going all Leto Atreides on the royal houses and peasantry and maybe even mind-raping whoever tried to oppose him (we have no idea how strong he his at that point, D&D didn't bother to show us). Especially because they want us to think of Bran as a good guy and not a tyrant.

>>213724624
Everybody will hate him forever if he admitted that he couldn't finish it, old guys of his age usually care about their legacy and how they will be remembered, it's much better for him to die while still "working" on book 6

>>213724975
It's not a matter of whether they like Bran, anon. Not that he even has any friends, beyond his family and Jamie nobody has even met him. It's about what will happen to the kingdom when he doesn't have a son. It doesn't matter if he's liked, they wouldn't want that when they could just put someone else on the throne and have the hope of going at least a generation this time without yet another fucking civil war.

>>213709703
Assuming George finishes the books (he won't so it doesn't matter), he will change the ending drastically from the TV show because of the backlash it received (which is why the books will never be completed). Regardless, he has 3 more to write anyway because Winds of Winter will NEVER bring the plot to where it needs to be lol

>>213725052
>Especially because they want us to think of Bran as a good guy and not a tyrant.
They sure had me fooled with that final line from him about "maybe I'll go look for him" with an evil smirk while talking about the giant dragon that's gone missing. That's more sinister than most of Cersei's lines.

>>213724876
How? Because I don't absorb whatever meme that tries to insert itself into my mind? I think for myself; thanks. The author can go fuck himself if he wants me to believe in the "power of friendship" or something. I'm here for the violence.

>>213724962
Except that Gurm would not have the balls to end the series on that note (if he could end it at all). Don't take me wrong, I think you're right that it would make for a coherent (even if despicable) ending to the series, where even a bittersweet ending would feel like a copout, but the fatman cannot do it. You see, he's not all cynical, he's a romantic at heart. Jaime would have his redemption, Brienne would be framed as a martyr for higher ideals if she sacrificed herself as the perfect knight should, Arya would at some point let go of her vengeance obsession and learn to forgive and move on, Jon would somehow be responsible for saving the realm from the Others, and so on and so forth. Davos will survive and be happy. You can see all of this in the reverent way the author deals with idealized, romantic ideals (septon Meribald's broken man speech is a strong example).

>>213725072
You can't fool all of the people all of the time, tho. Reddit already hates him. Eventually even the biggest basedlicker bystander will get mad him, especially considering there's not any evidence that he's writing but he's always in the news everyday about some other random shit he's been doing.

>>213725002
this, a half baked and bittersweetly remembered tv show, not even a hbo one, is not quite the same as hitting the 7 movie jackpot that HP did, or having 3 movies that are remembered as absolute titanic feats of cinema for years to come like LOTR. it will never have the level of global cultural relevance that either of those two did, and still do. the fact theres baby raping in the books also kinda prevents it from ever having that level of influence over the hearts and minds of the public. parents give their kids LOTR as presents for their birthdays, I cant see anyone who actually read ASOIF gifting that shit to their kids.

>>213725052
the virgin mind rape vs the chad mind fucksplosion

>>213725174
That's the reason for his meltdown post back in May, he really expected to live his last ~10 years in comfort while pretending to work on book 6, but even stupid goys are not buying it

the stupidest shit in the series is Bran's attempted murder being ordered by Joffrey

>>213710953
Everyone got burnt out on the shower after 5 seasons.

>>213725157
No I agree that he's a pussy, but in the script its 100% written out how the next two books should end

If he actually pushes with it is the question

Book 6
The false heroes (Daenerys, Aegon, Euron, etc.) burn themselves out.

Book 7
The last “real” heroes are destroyed.
Bran and Tyrion survive as the cold inheritors of a world with no heroes.

>>213725236
Eh, I find that part pretty believable. Only a kid would be stupid enough to give a common catspaw a one of a kind dagger worth a small castle to kill a boy. It seems a bit of a too obvious a setup to really be the work of Varys.

>>213724904
Nah it was the art direction and soundtrack. You're coping.

>>213725154
thinking for yourself requires thinking in the first place cum for brain

>>213725292
I literally never mentioned anything about sex or cumming. Do you have something to share with the class?

>>213725236
>>213725281
The real question that's gonna rustle your jimmies is: Why did Littlefinger bet such a valuable item on a game of cards with the lads, only for it to conveniently end up in a place Joffrey could take it?
There's so much that's still unknown and i don't think we will get the answers.

>>213725281
Valerian dagger is just an early book oddity, it's like how in book one tourney winner got enough money to fund an entire army or how Jaime was set up as future king or how Arya and Jon were meant to be lovers

>>213725358
Jaime was not set up to be king, it's just that back in AGOT he was amassing so much power for the Lannisters and with Robert dead could probably lay a claim to the throne, maybe also revealing Joffrey as his bastard and just making the lords suck it up. That was something Ned was worried about.

>>213725351
Gurm is notoriously bad with numbers and maintaining a consistent, believable economy in his works. That archer dude from the BwB won what should have been an indecent ammount of gold but somehow wasted it all in booze and women in a few months kek

>>213725408
Inflation man

>>213725408
I dunno, considering how the Hodor moment (supposedly an actual George scene) sets up the work of fate and pre-determined events, or at least of some powerful force setting up things, maybe LF was working as an agent of the COTF or the Others or something. I mean if you actually paid attention to the story, Baelish pretty much sets up all of the main plot lines by himself. I always thought he was GRRMs self-insert, and not Samwell.

>>213725455
>Baelish pretty much sets up all of the main plot lines by himself. I always thought he was GRRMs self-insert, and not Samwell.
kek thats pretty funny if youre right. Imagines himself as the genius mastermind weaving together all these plots.....gets killed unceremoniously in a garbage tv scene. then ppl think your real self insert is sam, the useless, cowardly, unfit nerd. just because hes fat lul

>>213725393
King Jaime is from early plot outline and book one has plently of hints towards this, like Bran thinking he is the king Robert upon seeing him for the first time, Ned catching him sitting on the throne, whole Warden of the East debacle

>>213725358
>or how Arya and Jon were meant to be lovers
Friendly reminder that he changed that to be Benjen and Lyanna. They were found out and that's why Benjen ended up taking the black, while Lyanna ran off to have her incest baby under the protection of Rhaegar, because he read a prophecy that told him that the kingdom would be saved by one child born from icy incest and another born from firey incest. Jon being a secret Targ is just a red herring. It's all about the incest babies. Of course Rhaegar was wrong and the promised saviours are actually Gilly and fAegon.

>>213725526
You know, I though I knew all the crackpot disgusting fan theories out there, but you got me, anon.

>>213725492
This YouTuber Neo had plenty of videos about this. LF is actually the most incel character in the show. He started a whole war just because Chad took his girl. He's cynical and makes fun of everyone without people realizing it, and Gurm also had a thing with a girl who dumped him IRL named Lysa Tuttle (Tuttle = Tully).
I think the only reason people think of Sam is because he's fat and a nerd.

>>213725408
To be fair history is filled with peasant archers who managed to capture a hostage worth tons or money or looted enough money during a sack of a city to buy themselves a village or more, but then ended up pissing it all away because they couldn't tell when they were being bilked by men who actually knew how to do sums. It's easy to get skinned when you can't dispute the everyday mathematics of the guy selling you your booze, women and beds to fuck in.

The way he wrote that a guy standing on top of this got killed by an arrow was utter bullshit, though.

>>213725573
its also because theres a quote where he laments that girls are more attracted to other characters rather than Sam

>>213725571
There's even a flashback scene where Bran sees them playing in the God's Wood, where it's remarked that they remind him of Jon and Arya. In the next book you'll have him see them fucking and creating Jon. That's also why Jon has no Targ features whatsoever, only Stark ones. Because he's all stark, down to the warging. He'll become a corpsicle just like Benjen.

>>213725573
Does this mean that there's a man somewhere out there who's raising GRRM's sickly boy, while GRRM remains "childless"?

>>213725642
I hate that all this is reasonably plausible and will possibly be confirmed true.

>>213725642
That's because Arya looks like Lyanna, which, considering Arya is described as horseface like, makes me wonder how the fuck was Lyanna coveted by so many dudes.

>>213725666
Sweetrobin being his kid is just a theory, he doesn't seem to look like Baelish and actually looks similar to Jon Arryn in many ways, and he's frailty is attributed to his father being so old and sickly when he cummed him into Lysa.

>>213725814
No way Lysa's autism would allow her to be bred by anyone except her husbando, or care so much about the boy if he wasn't Littlefinger's. Especially when she finally had the opportunity to fuck Littlefinger behind her husband's back, instead of being stuck in the vale and forced to abort her babies over and over. Maybe the kid is Jon's after all and Lysa is just deluding herself because she fucked LF around the same time, though. LF probably tells himself it's not his kid because he hasn't decided if he needs to die or not.

>>213725881
see
>>213705654

>>213726005
The "probably" is in there because I'm not sure if Littlefinger would actually reveal his plans to Sansa like that. Also he seems to treat her like his second chance with Catelyn, so it seems odd that his master plan will have her wed to another man who's outside of his control. Perhaps he's playing her as well, not being sure if he can trust an impetuous child. Maybe not.

>>213725881
I don't think there's any evidence LF fucked her but that once time she raped him, i believe. Knowing LF, he probably just gives some shit for her to get high on and then sleep and pretends they had a wonderful night after and she buys it. If Robin was actually his child you would bet LF would use this as leverage to control the Vale much easier and also make Cat jealous.

Good thread boys.
As long as we are posting, /got/ is not over.

>>213726201
I guess the real Dream of Spring is... friendship.

>>213714410
I reread the entire series after the show ended certain that the next had to be released soon after. Fuck.

I did not expect that it would just never be released and the series go unfinished, as seems inevitable now.

>>213721013
>would you even give a shit?
Yes.

>>213724624
It is a super shitty thing to do and he has no excuses, but that's why I don't recommend people to pick up ongoing tv shows or book series if they can't handle the possibility of them never getting a proper ending for one reason or another. Me, I don't regret all the time I spent watching GoT and reading the books, I think that even if I knew beforehand how things ended up I would still have enjoyed a lot the first few seasons, the first 3 asoiaf books, the Dunk & Egg stories, Fire&Blood (part 2 never ever I fear) and the other worldbuilding books. I still enjoy going on /hotd/ even if I dropped it before season 2 since it's fun to shitpost with anons and hearing about the trainwreck.
Hopefully the books' publishing house will sue GRRM's fat ass before he dies. He signed a contract with them and for sure he got a big $$ advance on Winds.