Fire and Ice

>>213702016 (OP)
I would berry my dick so deep inside her that whoever managed to pull me out would be crowned King Arthur

Wouldve kill them to paint some shadows?

>>213702016 (OP)
Was it animated over a live shooting?

>>213702092
I knew something looked off about it.

>>213702016 (OP)
Don't really like this

>>213702092
smarr birrion dorra studio prease understandu

>>213702016 (OP)
>TEEEEEGRA
>LAAAR
>NEKROOOOOOOOON
>AAAIIIIIIIIIIIII

Love this movie

>>213702016 (OP)
such a shame there aren't more flicks like this

>>213702016 (OP)
>soulless rotoscoped animation

>>213702104
That's what rotoscoping is, nigger

>>213702016 (OP)
I know that Bakshi was basically the only man who could have produced the project at the time, but it still sucks to see god-tier Frazetta designs stuck at Bakshi's dogshit level of artistry

>>213702153
Don't worry, I have the entire set of Frazetta trading cards to train an AI on.

>>213702016 (OP)
Who was the model they used for her movement? Did she also have that elite hip to waist ratio?

>>213702195

>>213702016 (OP)
Nah, all that running would have made her vagina smell

>>213702016 (OP)
Whose fat ass did they rotoscope for this?
and also who is that woman?

>>213702233
The very next scene is them taking a swim.

>>213702215
Hmmm. Not bad or anything but they clearly took some artistic liberties which was a good move.

>>213702233

>>213702252
Unless she is shown going knuckle deep in her anus and furiously rubbing her vagina, she will still be stinky

>>213702258
Teegra's dumper elevates the movie from a 7/10 to a 9/10.

>>213702181
Maybe on day ai will give us a full animation like this

>>213702181
considering that his granddaughter has been doing cool shit like commissioning a modern animator to do a Ray Harryhausen style videos promoting Conan and Vampiria figures, I'm surprised she hasn't commissioned someone to do a fire and ice video in the style of that Frazetta commercial Richard Williams did in the 70s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc2A1bDq4qI

>>213702294
>he hasn't seen Fire and Ice
lmao what a n00b the next scene has a tentacle monster

>>213702016 (OP)
with the way Bakshi seems perpetually hard up for money I'm surprised they haven't pushed a 4K remaster of this yet

>>213702181
>Frazetta
Most overrated artist ever.

Pusy and sex

>>213702426
This. Imagine having a beautiful wife who can serve as a model for the most gorgeous fantasy women and making your entire career out of painting her in various settings, what a loser

Is there actual nudity in this?

>>213702455
Just watch the movie, zoomzoom.

>>213702016 (OP)
rotoscoping is beautiful, i don't see how some people see it as ugly

>>213702419
>that hard cut not showing her exiting the water
knowing Bakshi's work I can't tell if they had to cut that to secure a PG because it looked too sexy, or if it was because Bakshi couldn't make the transition work because of how shit an animator he was

>>213702092
It’s night time

>>213702512
That scene has been edited; they cut out the reactions from the subhumans. The actual emerging from water scene has a few extra frames at the beginning and isn't quite as jarring.

>>213702487
people only have an issue with Bakshi's style where he cut corners on the fit and finish
he rotoscoped and just left things with plain line art and solid color interiors with no shading
even worse was on his LOTR movie where he didn't even bother rotoscoping but just dropped the live action element in after a chemical process to mud the detail up
meanwhile 70s/80s Disney was shamelessly using rotoscoping and other stuff but they still gave things more shading and polish so it looked better
>>213702092
the reason Bakshi's filmography has been relegated to the dumpster of history instead of being hailed as an innovator is because he cheaped out at every step and compromised on the look of his final product instead of using new technology to get a better look for cheaper

>>213702480
No.

>be bakshi
>be at the forefront of using new tech for making animated movies in the 70s and 80s
>use the tech for transparent cost cutting reasons, not for aesthetic ones
>all your movies end up looking like shit since you're doing lame rotoscoping and throwing live action footage in with glorified filters that don't match
>meanwhile Disney and Warner are conservative with new techniques and wait until the late 80s to switch to computer controlled cameras and digital ink and paint once the tech is mature
>end up playing catch up
>your last attempt at a studio picture is a lame rip-off of Roger Rabbit that came out 4 years later and looks a decade behind visually
Bakshi was a fucking hack

>>213702687
Based

>>213702487
No fuck you, learn to animate or stick to live action. Same goes for mocap

>>213702487
agreed

>>213702016 (OP)
So fucking kino

>>213702687
Didn't the studio butcher the fuck out of that movie? Apparently it was originally going to be a horror movie about a half-cartoon/half-human going on a murderous rampage in the real world.

>>213702026
They are cartoon characters fatty.

>>213702487
It upsets redditors with an encyclopedic knowledge on cartoons, and weebs

>>213702016 (OP)
She’s 15 years old you sick fuck!

>>213702487
>>213702968
I think the hate comes from the fact that it's a sort of cop out in terms of animation, but really, the only thing that should matter is the end result on the screen. It's like the CGI vs practical debate. Only thing that matters is how it looks and whether it achieved the desired effect.
I can't think of any cartoons from the time of Fire and Ice that had both a) realistically designed characters b) fluid animation. It was either one or the other.

>>213702917
also Kim Basinger pushed to soften up the movie so she could show it to kids in hospitals and other dumb shit

>>213702917
Yes but it would have still been mediocre even without the studio changing the script

>>213702687
it's more schway than roger rabbit

>>213703054
Out of 10,000 BC!

>>213702026
GOOD MORNING RANJEEP HELLO TO MUMBAI SIR

>>213702026
fpbp

>>213702559
If the moon is bright enough to illuminate the subjects its bright enough to create shadows

>>213702026
classic

>>213702016 (OP)
Kino of the highest order.

>>213702016 (OP)
fucking whore

>>213702016 (OP)
peak forced animation but in a bad way

>>213702419
kek they reusing the same cells of her running of OP's webm

>>213703684
fucking newfag

>>213702016 (OP)
there's nothing more souless than rotoscoping

>>213702026
Based

>>213702419
Can some AI-fag go over this to make the beginning parts less jittery?

>>213703028
>>213703130
hate how the beauty ideal in the 70s was giant fake melons

>>213702016 (OP)
remember when american animators used to draw beautiful women

>>213702352
soon
trust the plan

>>213702233
and that's a good thing

>>213705157
they still do, it's just not publicly available

>>213703684
Shoo shoo newfag

>>213705164
AI can't do hands.

>>213705144
Cool world is from the 90s

>>213702026
So the "Pen" in the house of Pendragon stands for...

>>213705518
That was when Jesus rode dinosaurs.it can do hands now.

>>213705144
If you think about it bro, it was just another new trendy technology, implants. So people were just trying the new thing much like our AI Slop beauty standards will be generically perfect woman with big tits laying on a bed looking wrinkle free and repetitive movements or something like that.

>>213705705
I wouldn't mind "draggin" my "pen" all over her "stone" if you understand the sexual innuendos of my post.

>>213702026
The newfaggot foreigner replies to this are troubling.

>>213702665
I watched his HBO show and it felt very cheap.

Fun fact. The backgrounds were painted by Thomas Kinkade and James Gurney. They were amateurs and were required to produce 11 finished backgrounds per week under the instructions of Frazetta.

>>213705144
1. Cool World came out in 1992.
2. Your post tells us that you're gay without actually saying it.

>>213705985
2. No I just enjoy females with more reasonable and natural chest size

>>213703130
I really, really, REALLY hate the sword and sorcery aesthetic.

>>213706730
>I really, really, REALLY hate the sword and sorcery aesthetic.
Thanks for joining us in this Fire and Ice thread to let us know you dislike the thread's topic.

>>213702181
working on it already with similar but different stories like Fire & Ice

>>213702215
>fridge body

>>213702016 (OP)
For therecord, rotoscoping is one of the worst forms of """animation""" possible. It's a cowardly measure of cheating for those who don't know how to draw. Ralph Bakshi is a hack.

>>213703684
how new are you? are you an actual boomer that came here from /pol/?

>>213702026
>berry
PLEASE DO THE NEEDFUL SAAAAR!

>>213705144
these animations are painted over videos of real women. it's not unrealistic at all

>>213704646
>>213705454
>>213707019
>t. seething streetshitter
BLOODY FUCK YOU BASTARD BITCH!

>>213702687
>use the tech for transparent cost cutting reasons, not for aesthetic ones
There's a reason the 70s and 80s were a low point for mainstream animation, it was expensive as fuck and studios were becoming more investor-driven and skittish about costs. Animation snobs whine about Bakshi's techniques but they helped him get big studio backing and distribution for whacked out ideas they probably would've passed on otherwise.

>>213702419
>0:19-0:20

>>213703684
>trying this hard to fit in
holy newfag

>>213702968
The Richard Williams meme of having 16 billion frames of perfect unbroken fluidity per second has seriously damaged peoples perceptions of animation. Having standards is one thing, but now you get redditors grumbling any time any cartoon has limited animation regardless of context.

>>213703684
Lmao get out of here tourist. Back to ifunny you go.

>>213702026
one upvote good sir.

rotoscoping isn't animation

>>213703684
>>213707039
>come to /tv/ hoping plague of millennial shittery has finally demoralized away
>nice, Bakshi at the top, tasteful
>see this leftoid newfaggotry early in replies
What the fuck happened to this place

>>213709653
Looks kino though

>>213705144
>Bro doesnt like bimbos with plastic bolt ons

>>213707106
>he's going all-in

>>213705776
>tfw the average 4chan user of today wasn't even alive when the site was created

>>213709862
this, also I understand that Disney did some rotoscoping for their classic animations: Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, Snow White. That's how they looked more realistic than any other cartoons of the era.
over on /vr/ they'll tell you about 1990 Broderbund's original Prince of Persia as well.

>>213702016 (OP)
is rotoscope something you grow out of?
As a kid it looked amazing, but as I grew older I started to realize it just has an uncanny valley feel , like it needs at least x3 the frames, and I guess those distorted in-between frames that give animation its soul

>>213709862
fine

>>213703684
Please be bait and not the fact that you’re actually brown

>>213709953
I like it just as much as I did as a kid, because it's pretty rare to see, and fluid and lifelike animation like this is still rare to this day. It ironically peaked in that regard during the 30s and 40s, but the benefit of rotoscoping is that the characters themselves can look realistic too, at least in terms of proportions, and not all look like Popeye (despite the stellar animation on that)

>>213709953
hand-animated always looks better

>>213703684
This shit is unironically worse than trannyposting. For the love of god, go back to wherever you came from.

>>213702939
They are actors with cartoons traced on top.

>>213702181
Ironic how the poster is more famous than the movie. I bought this as a plaque and the vendor did not know the movie existed.

>>213702939
>>213703684
Did school not start back for (You).
Lurk moar

>>213709953
what's that?

>>213703130

>>213702190
He's based

>>213705518
I'm assuming you were stuck in a coma for a couple years, anon. That is no longer a major concern for AI.

>>213711029
>For the next shot, we're gonna have to record me cumming inside you

>>213703684
>>213709969
Like 75% of the discourse on this website now is brown people accusing other brown people of being brown

>>213702026
still funny

>>213702324
SEXOOOOOOOO

>>213702026
The responses to this prove that /tv/ is at least 40% worthless newfag scum.

>>213702215
They’re not wrong when they say the camera adds 30 lbs

>>213710278
anon it's august

>>213702687
Meanwhile, here we are talking about ‘Fire & Ice’ and ‘Cool World’ while a good 70% of fa/tv/irgins couldn’t even name the last three Disney animated releases.

>>213706067
You do realise that a lot of women naturally have big tits, right?

>>213705144
But enough about you sucking cocks.

>>213711968
not a big fan either

>>213703065
But the end result usually ends up looking uncanny, like the characters are slightly changing shape and size between frames.

>>213703684
This is why you lurk before posting

>>213712295
these people are clearly trying to disguise the fact that they just want live action with filters

>>213702016 (OP)
anyone read that comic prequel?

>>213705144
unlike today where the beauty standard is giant fake asses

>>213712704
how far back do we have to go before we can have regular sized real everything

>>213702026
this shit makes me feel so old

>>213710248
>Ironic how the poster is more famous than the movie. I bought this as a plaque and the vendor did not know the movie existed.
Based mathematician with a sample size of 1

Why does rotoscoping get jerked off so hard? The characters always look separate from the backgrounds and the animation while "fluid" just looks like they traced an actor because shiny new tech. It's worse than green screen hell.
Are there any examples that don't suck?

>>213712806
Just wait until all your best memories happened 40+ years ago.

>>213713121
when they use it to be unsettling on purpose

>>213702016 (OP)
rotoscoping always makes me feel nauseous. Like I am having a fever dream

>>213713121
>>213713241
forgot pic

>>213702215
That is just a terrible photo, and the wrong cut of top and bottom. The bikini top in particular is crazy bad, creating sight lines in all the wrong places, adding nothing

>>213702026
good morning!

>>213713121
> Why does rotoscoping get jerked off so hard?
It doesn’t?

>>213713530
>muh rong cut

Man it’s like fashion is so ugly it needs to change every year.

>>213711550
The absolute BROWNEST fucking meme

>>213713631
it does in this thread for whatever reason
but of course it's a rule on this site that every board has the worst taste in things pertaining to its topic

>>213707039
Newfaggot

>>213712759
Left movie is just so unappealing compared with any random 90s mid anime.
.
Just a certain lack of detail. In particular I really need my feminine clothes to have a just a bit more detail and shadow to tease and hint and be feminine.
I neet it to have weight and be tight and contour to the body in some places, and flowly in other places. The style in that pic the clothes usually look like they are drawn over the body and just floating in space. I find the style really offputting

>>213702026
>”would berry” post
I was there, Gandalf

>>213714029
Hugh is so ugly.
Do you think he would be an incel if he was not famous?

>>213714098
Where do you think ugly kids come from

>>213711832
Well, we're talking about the great ass in Fire & Ice and how much Cool World sucks

>>213714144
England

>>213702026
based tom venables

>>213714144
Alcohol

>>213714144
your parents

>>213713886
If that chick in the middle was peeing on that chicks leg, id save

>>213710769
traditionally, animation uses frames like these to give a sense of "movement" or "elasticity", similar to motion blur
I don't think rotoscoped animation adds any of these

>>213702026
based and berry-pilled

>>213703054
Yeah that's horseshit info someone pulled out of their ass and put on some fandom site and people said "derp must be true then derp."

Not a single commentary, extra bonus doc, or anything authoritative ever mentioned her age, much less the movie itself.

>>213702016 (OP)
Those tantaly ass dolls they advertise on here aren't looking half bad right now. It's just weird that they're legless and torsoless

>>213703684
Shoulda' just posted "tranime faggot" if you wanted to be a less obvious newfag. Now go drink some bleach to make those bones nice and strong.

>>213702026
Um, it's "wood berry"

>>213714384
>that pic
fuck i need to rewatch that kino what was it called again?

>>213702426
Frazetta was an absolute gigachad

>>213713734
based

>>213702026

>>213702426
Didn't he draw blacked and cuckshit? That would explain why 4chan likes him

>>213716097
>gigachad
>fucking noodle arms that probably struggled to curl a paint brush
I'd heem this fucking faggot

>>213702016 (OP)
Lmao roterscoping

>>213716097
Based

>>213713886
Retard pedophile

>>213702016 (OP)
There is nothing more dishonest than rotoscoping.
AI is more honest and better than rotoscoping.
Do not (You) me.

>>213717375
I agree that "gigachad" is a very big stretch, still
Post body, nigger

Actually gay or just gay coded?

>>213702016 (OP)
Thongs were the best piece of clothing we ever invented. We should have never stopped wearing them.

>>213702455
https://youtu.be/5iAEDdCovA4?si=rzfAFsZvlN36aQUZ

>>213719964
Extremely gay

>>213711714
Let's see your body now...

>>213702026
I still remember when I first found the actual video of that girl twerking. Fun times

>>213702181
Frazetta working on this was such epic collaboration.

>>213707399
>Richard Williams
Is he The Thief and the Cobbler? Cause God Damn.

>>213713752
>noooooooo people are judging with their own eyes rather than getting angry at some arbitrary opinion that decided rotoscoping is cheating

>>213702016 (OP)
T&A growing or shrinking depending on perspective of the viewer
>just another unrealistic body standard for women

Why was Necron so averse to getting a bride?

>>213703684
>>213707039
KYS esl faggot

>>213714029
Who is this impostor?