Thread 213705056

The Alien franchise is like Rocky and Rambo. There is one good movie that came out 40 years ago. It doesn't even really make sense that there is a franchise at all. It's not as though Alien has some sort of amazing premise. It's just 'what if there was a spooky alien on board and it killed everyone.' Alien is great because of the visual direction, the atmosphere, the incredible set design, the naturalistic acting and dialogue, and the way it all comes together. All of the sequels and prequels don't have any of that. They just have the premise - 'what if there was an ayylmao.'

>>213705056 (OP)
Aliens is a perfect movie. Stop being a teenage contrarian.

>>213705056 (OP)
This reddit take really didn't need its own thread.

>>213705056 (OP)
>Rocky and Rambo
And Terminator and Predator and Jurassic Park and Star Wars and Robocop and the Matrix and...

>>213705056 (OP)
>make a movie
>its successfull
>make a sequel because thats basically guaranteed money
>make a third movie because the sequel was okay and people want more
>make a shitty fourth movie that nobody asked for
>make a remake of the first movie but with races swapped
>make a reboot movie
etc. and then they keep doing this until it makes no moneys anymore.
a tried and tested formula is easy cash while a new movie is always a big risk.

>>213705056 (OP)
Alien Earth should've been about the Maginot

>>213705056 (OP)
Alien and aliens are both excellent.
But the real kino is the comics. Check out the comics recap on youtube by Alien Theory it's really good.

>>213706559
https://youtu.be/NTJQ2RD0Y2c?si=q_0qNpFPu6cBHkVl

I recommend starting with this one

>>213705056 (OP)
Aliens does what it does just as well as Alien does what it does. Gay thread.

>>213705056 (OP)
>what if there was a spooky alien on board and it killed everyone
Did you even watch any other movies beside the first alien?
>what if we infiltrate a massacred site infested with aliens to defeat them
>what if we brought an alien to a planet in the middle of nowhere with no means of defense
>what if we made aliens from a cloned human on a military ship

>>213706586
i get an existential crisis every time i watch a youtube video about lore for fictional things.

>>213706559
>there's actually comics that are good bro trust me

>>213705056 (OP)
The problem with the franchise is that they keep thinking it's about the xenomorphs, so they keep making the movies about increasingly elaborate xenomorph life cycles and history and so on. That's not why Alien is good, though. The xenomorph, really, isn't even much of a threat. It was dangerous in the first movie because it was fighting against barely-armed, untrained space truckers and then in the second movie because the company sent like seven soldiers lol. Any proper military force would easily destroy hundreds of thousands of the fuckers. The xenomorph is cool but it's not a viable enough threat to build a franchise around. They are never even shown knowing how to use technology even though in O'Bannon's original concept they did, the one on the Nostromo was just a juvenile that knew nothing about their culture. The reason why Alien works is because of the cosmic horror and isolation of deep space, combined with the fact that your very employers consider you expendable and are willing to kill you for profit. It's that combined cosmic spookiness and social isolation of being oppressed by inhuman political/corporate systems thing. The xenomorph is really cool, but it's not the main reason why the movie is great.

>This beloved movie that people are still watching 45 years after its release didn't have an amazing premise
K.

>>213706559
>the real kino is the comics. Check out the comics recap
What the actual fuck is wrong with you? If the comics are great, then why aren't you recommending people read them? What kind of crippling mental illness and severe retardation would possess someone to ever watch recaps, let alone recommending them?

>>213706857
>They are never even shown knowing how to use technology

Erm akshually... this is true however I do think the xeno in Alien is smart enough to understand technology. It seems to know that the ship is self destructing and so it hides in the escape pod. Then it seems to understand that only Ripley can pilot the escape pod, and so it waits until she takes off before it tries to rapekill her.

>>213706857
Yep. Every film after Alien is missing the ancient cosmic horror aspect. Promotheus dipped its toes in a little bit, but ruined it by making the Engineers characters, and making all scenes on the derelict goofy. And by resizing the engineers to human sized.


Finding an ancient crashed spaceship on an uninhabitable space rock, piloted by a fossilized giant elphant man with a big hole in his chest is horror enough. The xeno was honestly superflous after that.

>>213706559
the comics are WAY better than any of the sloppa that's come out since

>>213707033
What's the source of this image?

>>213706454
I felt the one scene aboard the Maginot, with a bunch of characters we would never interact with again, was way better than everything that came after.

>>213707078
>uninhabitable
>biology specialists take their helmets off within 20 minutes
I don’t think you know what that word means

>>213705056 (OP)
If you really wanted to make a point about a one movie franchise you should have just gone with the obvious one

>>213705056 (OP)
Agreed.

>>213705056 (OP)
Cursed franchise

>>213706559
I've read almost all the Dark Horse stuff and it's all edgeslop. Cringe shit like a nun looking into the face of a Xeno and when she looks into the empty sockets beneath its dome she realizes that there's no God and then it claws her eyes out or some shit, or some guy getting captured by the Xenos and being force fed pieces of his dying mother before the Xenos try to get him to fuck and impregnate her. Pure slop.

>>213705056 (OP)
The comfy camaraderie in this scene (and indeed film) has never been replicated so well. It feels so effortless and natural, like they really worked that gig together. Fantastic acting.

The entire ridley trilogy is kino

>>213707222
In Alien? They have their helmets on the entire exowalk.

>>213707350
Ripley is in four movies.

>>213705056 (OP)
I mostly enjoy them regardless
Had to laugh at that recent tv show though where it basically opened by showing their token character for every race one by one

>>213706857
Accutate. Ultimately, the franchise's refusal to resolve, or even acknowledge, the bonus situation, is what doomed it. And I mean that Unironically.

Why did Ripley go back the LV1234 in Aliens? - the bonus situation. She was found liable for the destruction of a space freighter worth like, 17 Trillion dollars. She was going to be loading space docks for the company for eternity to pay off her debts. Why did the mission in Aliens go tits up? - The bonus situation. Pic related sold out his fellow humans for a percentage point. Sad!

Subsequent alien movies had no bonus situation to speak of, and are considered weak installments. Is that such a coincidence?

>>213707334
the scene later where Ripley spazzes at Parker also feels very realistic

>>213705056 (OP)
Rambo 2 is fantastic, even if its ridiculous. Rocky 3 and Balboa are great. The first Creed is also great. Fight me, idc.

>>213705056 (OP)
>There is one good movie that came out 40 years ago.

I disagree. Alien is pretty good as well.

>>213707387
He said Ridley, not Ripley

>>213705056 (OP)
I agree there was no need for sequels, but Alien is clearly more than just an alien killing people. So much more. There's the monster that lies dormant for thousands of years, just like the dragon or the leviathan from mythology. There's the wonder of exploring alien worlds and it turns into horror. There's the vast sterile emptiness and deadness of space that isn't so empty and dead anymore when the alien shows up. Also instead of endless space the crew is suddenly crammed together in closely confined spaces when they search the air ducts for the thing, or try to flee in the shuttle. There's the parasite that lives in you and feeds on you until it bursts out of your chest. There's mother and the android ganging up on the crew to bring the alien back to earth. There's the question of how much of a sacrifice is studying that "perfect organism" is really worth it. And all in all it's another battle of good vs evil.

That's just the story level. A lot of effort also went into the design of the alien and the production design of the movie. Plus it's well made. Apart from the scenes where they smoke(!) on board of a space ship, you don't really get reminded often that this is a 46 year old movie.

>>213707387
based retard

Alien was fun because it was a spooky slasher. Aliens was fun because it was a cool action movie. But then the series went super up its own ass and began having bigger ideas and everything fell apart. People who pretend there is social commentary in the first two are just trying to sound smart because they're ashamed of liking a mindless action movie

>>213705084
funny, when Aliens is the only one that's widely acclaimed by Redditor manchildren

>>213708220
I honestly agree, while the Space Jockey scenes are incredible nothing is explained in the original film, for all we know the alien was art of an otherwise routine cargo. We never learn anything about engineers or any of that shit, it's just a dead alien with another alien.

Just look at the comfy, humanness of this>>213705056 (OP)

vs. some crazy shit like this >>213703845

>>213707407
Wait the bonus situation held out for what 60 years?

>>213706454
I had this thought or atleast wanted more time with the crew but reconsidered that what we are getting is something different not just an alien remake.

>>213707407
threadly reminder

>>213709498
>infographic by Parker

lol

>>213707706
this. they could've exploited the fact that "alien" is a word that can mean many things, not just an alien lifeform and developed the series around that.

>>213705056 (OP)
It's a creature with mysterious origins, and they've never properly explored its origins. David and black goo stuff is non-canon.

>>213706454
No. We've seen that already.

>>213705084
Aliens is a saturday morning cartoon for manchildren

>>213710037
>they've never properly explored its origins

It was a bioweapon being transported by the elephant man's ship. This was made abundantly clear.

>>213710210
No, the elephant found it on the planet

>>213706454
no, we dont need an alien remake but zoomers edition. we also dont need alien earth. explore the universe instead of retreading alien over and over again.

people like the alien

>>213706857
reddit take

>>213705056 (OP)
Alien, Alien 2, Alien 3 were top comfy kino SF slices of life. The rest was forced slop.

>>213705056 (OP)
Did you also do the other thread about the "jobber" xenos?

>>213705056 (OP)
There's lots of Rocky kino

>>213706647
me too. is it like a "what the fuck am I doing with my life. I'm too behind to even be caught up in the lore of a fucking video game. I need to do something SOON"

>>213705056 (OP)
Every single Rocky aside from maybe 5 is great you faggot

>>213710070
Unfathomably based. James is going to seethe.

>>213706857
They also overestimated how important Ripley is as a character and kept Weaver around as the face of the franchise for too long. At least that problem was eventually solved by the actress aging out of the role.