Why were the xenos such jobbers in Aliens?

they're not you're just saying random shit for attention because you're lonely and have burnt out dopamine receptors and don't actually want to talk about the movie

>>213707369
Holy projection.

>>213707369
least fragile camerontard

aliens fear the jonesy

Cameron is a hack

>>213707339 (OP)
alien romulus was worse
cailee killed like 40 of them with one rifle

It's a generic Cameron space marine movie and not an Alien movie

They were fighting actual space marines with proper weaponry instead of a normal crew with no weapons.

>>213707477
>generic Cameron space marine movie
nigger, it was aliens that set the standard for "generic space marine".

>>213707477
How is it generic when it’s the one every other space marine movie copies

>>213707454
I feel like that was a problem with the rifle being retardedly OP rather than the ayys being dumb

>>213707601
Starship Troopers definitely did the spess mahreens, Aliens did the grunts
Funny how that came full circle for the SST movie

How would the humans have done if they had predator plasma casters?

>>213707339 (OP)
because James Cameron is a liberal (can only write Mary Sue characters)

>>213707339 (OP)
the drones swarmed to protect the hive and the queen.

>>213707339 (OP)
>Alien
Fighting a tiger hand to hand.
>Aliens
Fighting a tiger with explosive tipped ammunition.

>>213707339 (OP)
They weren't. They effectively killed off most of the team. At the end Ripley was literally the only one standing. And they were fighting armed humans. The real question you should be asking is why were the marines such jobbers

>>213707339 (OP)
Ripley leveled up. When she first fought Xenomorph she was level 1-5 but by the time she fights the Queen she's like level 60 or so

>>213707454
That's because she's based and deterministic

>>213707601
How was it different than the future war in T1? That's all Cameron knows while ignoring the cosmic horror of the first movie

>>213707339 (OP)
turns out they are weak to bullets and some miners on a ship with no training or weapons werent really strong against one in the first film.

>>213707339 (OP)
Their blood and claws are kinda negated if you keep them at a distance on a planet with a breathable atmosphere and just puke bullets and fire at them.
I unironically believe that if Ripley and crew had just stayed outside of the building in the bigass field after the ship crashed, set up the sentry guns, sent Bishop back in to pilot the second dropship down, that more people would have been alive at the end.
Can't sneak up on them for 200 yards in every direction, sentry guns assfuck mass attacks, and you can freely use the grenade launchers on groups.
It's not a plothole, they just didn't know this.

>>213708167
>The real question you should be asking is why were the marines such jobbers
Because they were told not to use their pulse rifles in the reactor and that's why they didn't annihilate the whole hive. Did you faggots pay attention or what? Cameron nerfed the xenos and turned them into bugs and used plot contrivances to kill the marines. Fuck all you faggots

>>213707339 (OP)
Punk ass pieces of shit forgot ripley was a captain

>>213707339 (OP)
Because it was a bad sequel made by a moron who didn't understand a thing about what he was making a sequel to.

>>213708264
To be fair the only reason the xeno was a threat in Alien was because of its acid blood having the ability to compromise the integrity of the spacecrafts hull

>>213707339 (OP)
Big Chap was smarter and sneakier and was dealing with unarmed space truckers, not marines

>>213708201
>future war in T1?
one is a ragtag group of rebels engaged in guerilla warfare, the other is a bonded military fighting force.
your narrow-minded faggotry simply based it superficially on "well, both have le guns and set in the future".

>>213708282
No, she was a Flight Warrant Officer first.
A Captain would be a step down.
Warrant Officers are different than enlisted or officer.
She started out as a Flight Warrant.
That's fucking hard.
Warrant Officers learn both the officer and enlisted side of information and skill.
By the time you reach WO3, you can tell majors and most colonels to fuck off.
WO4 and WO5 usually only answer to generals.
None of them answer to, or are affected by any enlisted ranks.
Weyland Yutani took Ripley's contract back for the second LV426 mission, but demoted her to being an officer at the lowest rank after Alien.
A lot of people miss that part.
She outranked Gorman, but was there as an advisor, not in their chain of command.
It's why Apone and Hicks were laughing when she proved to be competent with a loader.
They knew she had been demoted, but she still wanted to help and was competent.
Warrant officers and regular officers don't usually help the enlisted with physical labor.
Especially warrant officers. You almost never see them anywhere except behind a desk or in a helicopter.

>>213708582
I'm not reading any of that

>>213708615
You took more effort to reply than to read it, so you're not here discuss shit.
I hope your family is raped to death by niggers.

>>213708651
>I hope your family is raped to death by niggers.
I'm not european so I dont think that's going to happen

>>213708201
>cosmic horror
What "cosmic horror"? The xeno in the first movie is just a slasher killer. There are no "mystery beyond human understanding" themes or anything

>>213707339 (OP)
hives are pheromonal mind control, only xeno kings or maybe a rare rebel drone xeno could think for themselves

>>213708740
there kind of is, the whole engineer thing begs to be answered.

I like both Alien and Aliens.
Prefer Alien.
But the tension between these two movies is an annoying dilemma.
It's like Alien sets up this wonderful sandcastle, all this beautiful imagery, the characters, world, the Giger artistry, the underappreciated Ron Cobb futurism of the Nostromo sets, and Ridley's framing of it all in his his dream-like style - and then Aliens is all the fun of stomping on that sandcastle. Smashing it around with a shovel called the Pulse Rifle.
There is a real enjoyment in Aliens, but it creates less and adds less. And as fun as it was it arguably left the "Alien series" in a bad way.

>>213709130
it's really tone deaf as a sequel. cameron must've felt he was invincible after Terminator.

>>213707339 (OP)
Because they killed every expendable character in the first two fights.

>>213709126
mystery isn't horror.

>>213707339 (OP)
Following the Queen's command.

>>213709194
I'm not sure I'd call it tone deaf as much as a calculated reversal of the original movie's tone.
From what I can gather this is what FOX wanted, due to audience complaints about Alien being completely terrifying.
It's definitely deliberately meant to undo a lot of the horror Ridley set up.
Might have been the best move for FOX at the time given audiences feelings at the time ... but we're several generations out from Alien and people are definitely more acclimated to the kind of horror it offers.

Personally I just wish we could move on from having a single sci-fi monster dominating the sci-fi horror genre since the 80's.
There's like a handful of others, Predator, The Thing, etc.
In the 50's and 60's you had movie monsters and strange sci-fi tales seemingly by the dozens every year.

>>213707339 (OP)
Because Cameron turned them into space bugs for normies instead of the eldritch rape horrors they were originally intended to be.

>>213708582
>Flight Warrant Officer first
Is outlined in the first movie or is this some overly invested in post movie canon book shit

>>213709126
>whole engineer thing
Not canon. There were only 4 alien movies. They're space jockeys. No such thing as engineer except in Ridley's senile mind.

>>213709473
Make better monsters then.

>>213708582
I thought warrant officer was the rank between enlisted an officer and the highest of them might be at a better pay grade but lower rank than just a Lt.

>>213709563
>just do it yourself bro
And how do you suggest an average anon gets their script made you retarded fucking faggot

>>213709130
Correct on all fronts. I fucking hate aliens

>>213709430
>mystery isn't horror
actually, mystery is part of cosmic horror.
in fact, the moment stuff starts being rationalized, it stops being cosmic horror.
only the space jockey belong to that category, though.
the xeno creature, it's just an alien creature with a weird lifecycle. it's mostly monster/slasher horror.
plus ridley scott explained the space jockey, so that's no longer cosmic horror too.

>>213709504
She was the Nostromo Flight Warrant. She did the steering and flying.
The captain doesn't do that, he just orders where to go. It's her job to figure out how.

>>213709504
The original book in 1979 by Alan Dean Foster listed Ripley as a flight warrant.

>>213709752
The what now?

>>213709563
I am actually working on this myself.
But have you seen some of those 50's monster movies?
Some of them are actually really scary - in concept if not in execution.

>>213709570
Nope. They are in a weird position, but way wrong.
If a 2LT decides to berate a CSM, the CSM has to take it.
It's a terrible idea, and career suicide for the 2LT, but legally is allowed.
Warrants are different in the fact that they can just tell the LT to fuck off with their stupidity and face no consequences. Same goes for enlisted.
But.
Warrant officers are tied to equipment, not leading soldiers.
They aren't out there to fight, lead soldiers or give orders. Except for where equipment is concerned. Some are fully capable of it, but their primary concern is with safety and seviceability of the equipment they are assigned to.
Remember Ripley bitching at Parker and Brett about the repairs on the Nostromo?
She knew they were fucking around.

>>213709130
>>213709632

Aliens is peak 80s action movie adventure, not a minute of it isn't entertaining as fuck. Only incredible uncorrected faggots of a lifetime of living off libfart gas in these echo chambers would dare to criticize it.

It could be worse, you could be Siskeling about Alien 3 as somehow good I suppose.

>>213710003
>not a minute of it isn't entertaining as fuck.
except for the deleted scenes they added to the director's cut, those are boring and hurt the pacing. TC or nothing

>>213710003

>>213710071
You need to leave.

>>213708740
The crew entered the unknown void of outer space and got wiped out by a creature that defies Earth's understanding of biology. That's exactly cosmic horror. Prometheus tried and mostly failed to recapture the unsettling feeling of Alien 1, but it got way closer than the "shootybang, muzzle flash, splosions, girls are tough too" in Aliens

>>213710003
First anon you quoted
I like Aliens a lot.
But as a 00's kid, in my eyes Aliens really just paved the way for the Halo games - which is like everything cool about Aliens, combined with Robo Cop, Predator, The Thing, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Star Wars, etc. etc.
Halo is a lot more "additive" than Aliens. Creates its own new universe instead of adding big guns to an already existing one.

>>213709898
Are you former military or something?
Also corpo ranks are matter less and are less rigid than military ones

Alien is Hitchcockian
Aliens is id Software-core

>>213710236
Retired.
And there was nothing to suggest in Alien or Aliens that Weyland Yutani followed any other rank structure.
Hell, Al Matthews playing Apone was a Marine Vietnam vet hired for his believability in wrangling stupid mouthy privates.
They even had the actors go through a version of bootcamp for the parts.

>>213707339 (OP)
>No tech
>Jobbers
Xenomorphs even jobbed in AvP2 against nuke. Pre colonial marines era, only space jockey and rogue synths are a threat in the Alien series.

>>213709797
>overly invested in post movie canon book shit
>novelisation of the movie
I was so right lmao. I can pick these book canon faggots like >>213709752 out from a mile away. Probably the faggot jannie on /r/lv426 that simps for prometheus.

>>213710527
Prometheus was shit.
And I read the book before you were born.

>>213707339 (OP)
Xenos only win in tight cramped spaces against wagies who weren't expecting to fight for their fucking lives when they clocked in for work that day. Humans with weapons and prep time wipe their ass every time.

>>213709752
>The original book
The novelisation of the movie lmao

>>213710558
meanwhile predators job every single time

>>213710544
>I read the book before you were born.
I doubt it given I was born in 83 you colossal fucking muh book canon fucking faggot lmao

>>213710620
predators win all the time.
what the movies focus on are the few times that they failed.

>>213710620
It's a graduation exam to be honest from Yautja. The only adult Predater is the Wolf in AvP2.

>>213710347
Police might follow military ranking names but are way less worried about officers and regulars fraternizing and shit, my point was that a corpo might use the same names but certainly not run things so strict.
>>213710527
Idk why but for just a second there I thought the movie was based on a book

>>213709563
Gryphons, wraiths, ghouls, wyverns, giants, fiends, gargoyles, sirens higher vampires.

I think I simply find Aliens fans immature.
It's all power scaling conversations like you get from children reading comic books. Even the way they talk about Alien as a film vs. Aliens as a film it's power scaling "Aliens is betterer because it's scarier when the facehugger crawled around like a spider and the xenos are actually a threat because they kill a bunch of marines who are biggerer and betterer than mere civvies - unlike Alien with its silly rape subtext and un-scary mystery that isn't even real cosmic horror"
this fucking franchise.

>>213710620
Predators have pride autism and it gets them every time. Like Gohan any time he stopped being shit for half a second.

>>213710527
The book came out months before the movie Alien was released.
It even includes scenes later cut from the movie before release after screening audiences found them too horrifying.

>>213710719
Aliens beter cuz it has 'splosions

>>213710585
Hey, zoom zoom?

>>213710669
qts.

>>213710740
I honestly sympathize with this, I get it
But if that's all you want, there's also movies like Star Wars, Predator, Rambo, Robocop, Mad Max 2, etc. etc. etc.
There's only one Alien

>>213710699
I bet people were complaining about them being unoriginal in the 70's.

>>213710719
Colonial marines are so tough that they can wipe out planet with Xenomorph infestation with only one squad. Auto aim and stuff, weapons are too advanced for the xenos.

>>213710623
You've devolved from arguing about a character's rank to arguing age and you're still wrong.
Ripley was a warrant officer first in official canon.
She was demoted from warrant officer to a first lieutenant in Aliens.
The company agreed to pick her contract up again in Aliens.
They did not restore her full rank.
Pay the fuck attention zoomer.

>>213710907
Based crew. I bet Cameron seethed.

>>213710907
man, I do respect James Cameron as a filmmaker
I wish his Avatar movies were good, so it doesn't feel like he squandered his underdog status

Hey kick ass man.

>>213710719
more like purist alien fans are immature.
you are the faggots denying aliens' existence because apparently xenos shouldn't die to bullets.
they're different genres, but in terms of franchise, aliens is the more important one.
you can argue about the first alien's cultural impact to sci-fi movies.
and yes, the xeno creature alone is not cosmic horror. it's only in the context of "it came from an unknown ship full of alien eggs with a giant pilot fossil".
it's not far-fetched that somewhere out there, there's a hostile organism like a xeno.
after all, earth's own animal kingdom has its own wtf moments more absurd than the xeno's lifecycle with more devious "subtext" than rape.

>>213710691
The book was written at the same time that the movie was being filmed.
Foster was denied access to seeing the actual alien to prevent leaks, so he was general in his descriptions.
Several scenes were cut from the movie after test screenings, yet still appear in the book, as Foster was working from what was filmed, not what later appeared after the cuts.

>>213710989
I like when Drake does the wanker sign.

aliens sucks because you could swap the xenomorph with a generic hive monster and it'd still work, the derelict from the original and the mystery surrounding it or the alien's biomechanical nature and unique life cycle are not important to the story. it had no business being a sequel instead of an original story

>>213708201
Aliens details a whole operation from orbit to ground and back, and everything needed to conduct it. The context of T1 has nothing to do with space or aliens, and the balance of power is totally reversed between the two scenarios.

Every time I see these threads people fight over alien vs aliens or seethe about promethius and here I am the only one that generally likes it all

>>213710991
Most people don't know that the Nostromo crew had laser weapons.
They weren't unarmed, they just saw that the laser cutter on the facehugger made it bleed acid.
So, bullets and lasers were out of the question.
Hell, Kane had a laser pistol, and didn't have time to use it.

>>213710991
>you are the faggots denying aliens' existence because apparently xenos shouldn't die to bullets.
I like Alien because it's scary.
I've never "denied the existence of Aliens"
But I will call it a shit horror film

>>213711083
Even on a shoestring budget it was the same "militarycore shootybang girls are tough too" that he's done for the majority of his career. Terminator 1+2 and Aliens and Abyss and Avatar belong in the same universe

>>213711098
You're not alone, fren. I like it for the production value and creepy critters.

>>213710839

>>213710924
Yawn. Avp wiki book canon faggot. Movies or fuck off.

>>213707339 (OP)
They had actual significant firepower against them instead of some flame units that would scare it off at best like in the 1st one.
In case you missed it, it still didn't save them. Of an entire cruiser full of Marines and a few civvies only 4 people survived and 2 of them were severely injured/maimed.

>>213711074
>generic hive monster
and where will cameron copy this so-called "generic hive monster" from, you low iq nigger?
starcraft wasn't made. nor was halo.
tyranids weren't even a thing yet in wh40k.
the novel starship troopers had a very different interpretation of arachnids compared to the movie.
aliens copied from 1956's them, which use giant ants. not exactly an appealing monster for the 80s audience.

>>213711074
funny you should say that

>>213711195
Nuh uh. Mission completed one marines survived with one civvie also and half of synth Bishop. Verdict mission succes.

>>213711316
MEDIC!

>>213711189
That's twice now that you've been proven wrong, zoomzoom.
And you're tripling down?
I read the book before you were born.
My mom and dad saw it in theaters and my babysitter's name was Stephanie.
Same babysitter that watched me when my parents saw Jaws in the theater.
Why does that piss you off so much?

>>213711154
Doesn't really change that the reason you see it as generic is because he came along and hammered out the visual rules to begin with. And having an orbital scene is fundamental to something being "generic space marines". Otherwise it's not really space marines.

I feel like people who call Aliens a pure action movie skip the half of the movie that spends all of its time with setup and ramping tension and then the half hour it spends between the hive encounter and escaping the colony ramping more tension.

>>213710830
Hey, dumb fuck who should have been killed
>ISBN 0-446-32878-2; First printing: [June] [1979],
Stop relying on Jewgle AI summaries you colossal fucking retard. How very embarrassing for you.

>>213711124
And they casually jerry rigged the cattle prod and flame thrower on the spot, but we don't get to see how effective those would've been on the alien.

But the point is that in Alien there's only one xeno that has to hide in vents because he's out of his element and outnumbered.
In Aliens there's ton of them, their hive if being threatened and they swarm the marines. That doesn't make them stupid, it's just a different scenario.

>>213711269
>cameron invented hive monsters
holy zoomer

>>213711418
Its a near hour before any pure action happens, apart from some sprinkles here and there.

>>213711392
>My mom and dad saw it in theaters and my babysitter's name was Stephanie.
>Same babysitter that watched me when my parents saw Jaws in the theater.
Congratulations you faggot. Do you want a cookie? No one cares xannyennial. Novelisations aren't canon. The story and screenplay were written by Ronald Shusett, Dan O'Bannon & Ridley Scott. Your book faggot is a nobody.

The Xenos seemed to be just chilling in the hive until the marines showed up, I wonder if they would've just stayed sleeping in the reactor if nobody went in there.
They probably figured they got everyone in the colony buildings, which is how Newt survived for so long after the initial outbreak, she probably wasn't having to actually evade anything for a while before the marines got there.

Someone in the thread must know where I can find am avp extinction emulator...
>>213711463
Most unbelievable part. Try getting a cat in a bath or the car and this maf just cool with gettimg hypersleeped?

>>213711440
>cameron invented hive monsters
said nobody ever? how does it feel to be low iq?
in that post you are quoting, i specifically stated where cameron copied from: 1956's them.
google it, you mongoloid low iq retard.

>>213711418
Aliens also has more tension than the original. Ripley and Newt getting stuck with the facehugger and Ripley going back for Newt at the end are more terrifying than anything that happens in Alien.
The fucking ending of Alien where the xeno is lying down to take a nap or something and doesn't even attack Ripley is outright comical.

>>213711532
He didn't fuss too much about getting in the carrier so he's probably just well trained or just doesn't give a fuck, some cats are chill like that.

>>213710991
>more like purist alien fans are immature.
Cope and seethe James. Your movies are mindless trash slop.

>>213711538
1954. i was off by 2 years. but here you go, in case people here are too stupid to google.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Them!

>>213711532
>Most unbelievable part. Try getting a cat in a bath or the car and this maf just cool with gettimg hypersleeped?
An orange cat no less.

>>213711532
There are some crazy cats out there.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ziquA0hrlag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vBUxmWeoc0&t=10s

>>213711428
No, I don't need jewgle. I own the book, fucktard.
My mom bought it for me after she saw the movie in the theater.
It was finished in March. Printed and then distributed.
Books do not go from the author writing the last line to the printing presses the next morning.
Not even today.

>>213711590
>makes billions
>free to do whatever the fuck he wants
ntjames, but i'd be making mindless trash slop too if that was the result.

>>213711523
Eh they were probably still sending a few to sweep the colony, evidenced by the fact there was still at least one more colonist left with a Xeno ready to burst by the time the marines went into the hive.
Both movies go with the impregnation to chestbursting turn around time being about 24 hours. The other movies played a lil more fast and loose with the gestation period but the first two stick to this.

>>213711538
read the first half of your own post shitskin shartroon zoomer

>>213711514
Now you are moving the goalposts.
In point of fact, the book is the official novelisation of the movie, finished and released before the movie hit screen.
If you paid attention, Ronald Shusett and Dan O'Bannon are credited on the book.
Alan just wrote what he was directed to write.
He did the same thing for the next two movies too.

>>213711622
>Books do not go from the author writing the last line to the printing presses the next morning.
Kind of like movies, particularly the one your irrelevant faggot author you covet so much aped from? You giga faggot nigger lmao.
Go spend time with your grandchildren you senile old faggot. Oh, you have none, right? That's why you're at home on a Friday arguing on 4chan with children lmao!

>>213711712
i specifically asked, you dipshit retard: where will cameron get his generic hive monster?
i didn't say he invented hive monsters, you mongoloid.
get some fucking brains.

Zoomers really should not be concerned with the Alien franchise. Try Star Wars.

>>213708264
>Cameron nerfed the xenos and turned them into bugs and used plot contrivances to kill the marines.
lol the first movie they didnt use their guns because
>muh acid blood!!
so they had to settle for a flamethrower. how the fuck is the first one not complete plot contrivance?

>>213711756
>hurr I didn't say he invented it just that he'd have nowhere to get it from
kys

>>213711736
I'm home on a Friday because I'm retired and don't have grandkids and both of my kids are out of the house on their own.
I invested well twenty five years ago so now I have passive income that is 95% of what I made when working.
My home has been paid off for almost ten years, and my wife and I have vehicles less than ten years old with less than 50K miles on them.
I'm quite comfortable shitposting on here and later we're going for a few drinks and dinner.

Game over man.

>>213711735
>Alan just wrote what he was directed to write.
He was directed to change fucking everything huh? https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Alien_(novel)#Differences_from_the_film Lmao. He doesn't have a story credit for a reason you nigger faggot.

>>213711911
Lmao

>>213711888
yes, you dumbass nigger. cameron did get inspiration from GIANT ANTS.
there were NO ZERG.
no TYRANID.
no FLOOD.
no ARACHNID bugs from the starship troopers movie.
no "GENERIC HIVE SHIT" to copy from.
you accuse me of being zoomer and yet your the one who threw the "generic hive monster" as if there were plenty of ideas to copy from during the 1980s.
faggot.

>>213711844
>so they had to settle for a flamethrower
Yeah because it was either a spear or flamethrower you dumb fuck. They had no ballistic weapons on board. And the flamethrower was devised when it was still at 1/20th of its size. Absolute nigger iq

>>213711403
The entire movie is "mow down giant bugs" none of the main characters get infected, it didn't introduce new characteristics or lore about the xenos, likePrometheus with mixed results.Aliens and its scifi soldierscould have just as easily been set in the world ofAvatar,The Abyss, orTerminator’s future war because it didn't really add anything unique to the Alien IP. Prometheusis the flawed but ambitiousStar Warsprequels andAliens is the corporate normalfag Disney sequels

>>213712014
Giant mosquito and wasp actually.

>>213707339 (OP)
because the marines were more competent than the crew in alien.

>>213712067
>it didn't introduce new characteristics or lore about the xenos
Bait used to be believable, the new shit it introduces about the Xenos is literally one of the most hotly contested topics between diehards of the 1st movie and diehards of the 2nd

>>213707369
Have you seen the new tv show? The xenomorph in it is a super efficient killer. Massacring squads of armed soldiers in mere seconds.

>>213712067
This has to be a bot between the blatant falsehoods and random lack of spaces, right?

>>213712131
>the new shit it introduces about the Xenos
Nta but just the queen?

>>213712131
Like. What. ????? You're going to bring up the queen downgrade, aren't you?

>>213712158
The xenomorph is a joke. It is always was about synths and AI.

>>213712014
>cameron must copy the ideas of others instead of coming up with them himself
you're seething over things nobody has said

>>213712172
The Queen and by extension being a hive-caste based species is the hotly contested one but also people tend to forget that Aliens is what shows signs of higher intelligence in the Xenos between cutting the power, the Queen knowing to operate the elevator, and understanding Ripley's "negotiation".
>>213712220
Deleted non-canon scene that wasn't even included in a home release until after Aliens came out.

>>213712040
>Yeah because it was either a spear or flamethrower you dumb fuck.
nope. they even had pistols. the alien only works because of its acid blood which is a major plot contrivance.

>>213707369
More than half the threads here are this. Idiots just bringing up stupid shit because they are bored.

>>213712274
i simply asked: where will cameron get his "generic" hive monsters.
because that shit is on the same level as the claim "aliens is a generic space marine movie".
actual zoomer claims.

>>213711938
What part of
>He wrote what he was directed to write and published it with their blessing and input before the movie released.
>The people in charge made last minute cuts from the film based off of test screenings.
What part of that is confusing to you?
Foster didn't change anything.
There are simply parts of the book that went into print before the movie released that were cut from the movie.
It's not some magical retcon. Nothing changes. I'm sure the scene where the Alien is fascinated by a blinking light and staring at it is important to the story. Yet, it does not appear in the movie, and was cut from it. That does not change the fact that originally, it did happen, but was cut from the release movie for whatever reason.
It was still filmed. It was still included in the book because it was part of the film before test audiences bitched about wondering why the alien was staring at a green flashing light.
The book was written side by side with the filming, and approved by the people making the movie.
Why is this a difficult concept for you zoomers to understand?
Do you need a tiktok video on 2X speed to understand what I am saying?

/tv/ is the only place where someone will bring up 2 of the greatest films ever made and start finding every contrived reason to dismiss one of them as complete trash

>>213712373
I hope you're not saying alien is among the best movies ever. because it's just a slasher in space. except the victims have even less excuse to act like retards since they're not horny 16 year olds.

>>213712373
>What is Terminator 1 and 2

I liked David and wish we had more movies all about him and his scheming.

For an action film this movie only has like 3 proper action sequences. Even the first encounter in the hive is just them getting horrifically slaughtered on the cam feeds for half of it while they panic over comms.

>>213712339
he could come up with one himself, he doesn't need to get it from anywhere and nobody said he does

>>213712407
If you wanna be a reductive cunt then Aliens is just Vietnam in space

>>213712040
Flamethrower was a guess that most creatures and humans don't like to be burned.
Taser stick was a guess that most creatures don't like half a million volts pumped into them.
Neither of those guesses involved punching multiple holes into a creature that bleeds acid.
They even came up with nets to trap it.
They had handheld laser weapons. Lasers still poke holes.

>>213712163
No, it's zoomerspeak.
They don't understand punctuation, sentence breaks, or paragraph format.

>>213712480
But the colonies marines won.

>>213712462
he could've, but fox gave him the money to make a sequel to alien. we could argue, but nothing said here is gonna change that.
cameron's doing his own shit now with his own money with avatar.

>>213712294
Thank you for posting the laser pistol.
They had them, but chose not to use them because they were scared of acid blood melting holes in the ship while in space.

>Cameron was young. He had just directed Terminator. Cameron had called a meeting to discuss his “next project.” Everyone knew Cameron had written a treatment for Alien 2 that nobody would touch because Alien was not a massive financial success. Alien 2 was not on the table. We expected a professional pitch from Cameron, an outline and a treatment of what he had in mind with a cursory budget; perhaps a couple assistants to run a slide show. Instead Cameron walked in the room without so much as a piece of paper. He went to the chalk board in the room and simply wrote the word ALIEN. Then he added an ‘S’ to make ALIENS. Dramatically, he drew two vertical lines through the ‘S’, ALIEN$. He turned around and grinned. We greenlit the project that day for $18 million.

>>213712740
This shot pisses off zoomers because it is world building and does not contain lots of flashing lights and explosions.
>Instead, we are given an emotional connection to a family trying to survive only to get fucked over by the corporation.
You'd think the very idea would appeal to the little gay retards.

>>213712740
I wonder if they made Newt's mom look like Ripley on purpose

>>213712834

>>213709675
>wikislop
Into the trash it goes.

>>213707614
Honestly I don't think the rifle was that OP, if you watch Aliens you see that xenos are easily killed by the pulse rifles, because they fire explosive 10mm rounds, while in Romulus the rifle has 450 round capacity, but we see rounds bouncing right off xenomorph carapaces and taking about 10-20 shots to the head to kill them. I think there's even a bit where a shot doesn't puncture a TV screen

>>213712158
Those aren't soldiers they're mall cops.

Why are Aliens fans like this exactly >>213712860
What causes them to be this way

>first alien movie has a tranny in it
oh no no no cameronbros what is this

>>213712995
You are missing an auto aim and xenomorph reproductive features. Alien Romulus was about corporation exploitation, than et lifeforms.

>>213712860
Aliens is 'splisions the movie

>>213713114
I mean yeah it has an auto aim, but that's just because otherwise there's no way this pod-living bug-eating girl could use the gun half decently. I assume, because tech in these settings always does, that it has some glaring issue like accidentally causing friendly fire incidents

>>213712740
also regarding the "generic hive monster thing", it's shown with newt's dad there that a single egg/facehugger could collapse an entire colony.
that and the queen opened up tons of storytelling possibilities, which is why the alien expanded media boomed.
the xeno lifecycle is way better than simply using giant ants or wasps.

>>213713157
I mean, one gun killed them all. What can a sentry gun accomplish? This plot doesn't make sense. Big Chungus is a joke, Ash synth is another question.

I'm writing an Aliens inspired horror story.
What do (You) want in it

>>213713275
I will likely never read it, so I couldn't tell you

>>213713238
>What can a sentry gun accomplish?
I mean, if you watched the Aliens deleted scene, the sentries kill hundreds of xenomorphs

>>213713301
Where there's a will there's a way.
But I guess I mean really, what are the things you like most about Aliens that you'd want in it.

>>213713320
Yeah, The xenomorph is officially a joke even the Queen and Pretorius are a joke. Gun commercial.

The Aliens was still a net positive to the franchise for that one shot of the Xeno moving in the wall when the Space Marines enter the Xenoklair

>>213707339 (OP)
because their heads are like balloons, one bullet is enough

>>213713431
net positive is an understatement. it's pretty much the reason why we're still bitching about the franchise today.
without it, we probably wouldn't have prometheus and covenant to bitch about, no alien romulus and earth to keep whining on.
my favorite comparison is the thing 1982. everyone loves the first film now. a classic. top 10 movie in x list.
but it's a dead-ass franchise. if you're lucky, maybe see it discussed once in a while in 4cock.

>>213713320
First time I saw Aliens it was the laserdisc version with Newt's family and the sentry guns.
It was in 1988, and I was constantly accused of being a liar because I didn't know that the VHS version had those scenes cut.
The movie was on repeat in a hotel. We went to Disney World for three days and I watched it like four times.
I didn't know about VHS and Laserdisc wars.

>>213712558
Couldn't they just trap it in a room flooded with high ph liquid and then shoot it?

>>213713320
Does it? We only see them jumping around and that one shot of the same xenomorph getting blown apart two or three times.

>>213707339 (OP)
>why were the aliens so much less effective against an entire platoon of experienced and armed Colonial Marines with M41A pulse action assault rifles than they were against a small handful of unarmed civilians???

>>213713658
The Thing is a classic movie remembered by people who love it.
Alien is a classic movie remembered by people who love it.
Aliens is a good action movie, a bad horror movie, and "the Alien franchise" is a massive fucking headache.
Fuck Aliens man.

>>213713275
Aliens winning.

>>213713903
I'm also trans if that matters

So should I watch Alien or not

>>213713955
In the blow up nuclear ending. No tech, no win, baby.

>>213713974
Don't watch anything. Do something constructive with your time.

>>213713903
even if you hate aliens-style, the franchise also produced multiple media that's closer to the original.
the best example is alien isolation.
>"the Alien franchise" is a massive fucking headache.
it's a choose-your-own-canon buffet

>>213713863
They are all did xeno banzai attack on the sentry gun with no surviviors.

>>213713959
>lambert's dialogue if cameron wrote alien

>>213707339 (OP)
>jobbers
What is this new zoomer lingo

>>213707339 (OP)
>In a galaxy far, far away
>Classic horror movie, TIGER, about a tiger that gets unleashed inside a Wal-Mart, employees fight back using nothing more than Gatorade and a box of cheeze-its, barely survive
>sequel, TIGERS, is about multiple tigers getting hunted down and shot to death by marines with gattling guns
They nerfed the tigers, bros.

>>213707454
Why are you watching nu-movies? Are you some kind of ultra-faggot?

Xenos ARE jobbers. One Predator killed thousands of Xenos at the beginning of AVP.

>>213714301
>he franchise also produced multiple media that's closer to the original.
There actually isn't a single piece of Alien sequel or prequel media that does what I really like about the first film.
The first like hour of quiet exploration, adults dealing with a strange threat and their interpersonal drama, the good 10-20 minutes of Kane comatose with a facehugger attached to his face while the increasingly scared crew debate what to do about it...
Closest you kinda get is Prometheus, and its first hour of buildup to the chaos, but there's nothing quite like the crew dealing with Kane being facehugged
I don't give a fuck about "canon", I'm interested in what these movies (and I guess games and comics) do for me.
The "Alien franchise" has offended my tastes more than it's been good.

>>213714509
And one alien killed two predators.

>>213708264
>Cameron nerfed the xenos
Explain how the creature from Alien would defeat a team of armed space marines
>used plot contrivances to kill the marines
The alien's acid blood is one of the most famous plot contrivances in the history of film.

>>213713783
The acid was referred to as a molecular acid.
Any state beyond the concentrated blood would be one where massive amounts of hydrogen was created in a short time in an explosive fashion.
PH wouldn't matter very much.

>>213714596
>The alien's acid blood is one of the most famous plot contrivances in the history of film.
The thing is, the Alien having acid blood that might eat through the hull of a spaceship, being loose on a spaceship, is good horror.

>>213707339 (OP)
Alien
>space truckers vs xeno
>no guns
>1 xeno so it can't die till the end, conservation of ninjitsu
>xeno is HR Giger's bio-mechanical nightmare baby

Aliens
>space marines vs xenos
>lots of guns
>many xenos so the marines have to trade with them, no conservation of ninjitsu
>xeno is Cameron's space bug

>>213714572
And don't forget about Predalien. That needs high elite Yautja to deal with.

>>213714499
Tigers are a real creatures.
The Xeno is a made up imaginary creature. It can be anything you want.
It was meant to be scary in the first film. It was meant to be a jobber in the second.
Ergo, vis a vie, they nerfed Xenos bro.

>>213714658
Xenos are a joke to be honest, even if they infest the Planet, they are still cannot tank nuke that can blows up planets. A fucking Joke.

>>213714563
sorry, but it's unlikely to find what you're looking for in this franchise.
the first alien film is about buildup and reveals:
the reveal of the space jockey. the reveal of the facehugger. of the chestburster. of the grown xeno.
like i said in another thread: you cannot be surprised by the xeno lifecycle twice.
you're better off finding new ip.

>>213714647
Exactly. You can acknowledge it's a plot contrivance but the way it serves the film's premise is perfect.

>>213707369
checked and keyed af
get fucked the rest of you 2-3 faggots that ruin this board with slop

>>213714658
Xenos always lose if they on a planet with a breathable atmosphere.
>Infect and kill a hundred humans.
>More humans come to figure it out.
>Infect and kill them.
>Humans send poorly equipped mercenaries to investigate.
>Infect and kill them.
>Humans decide to wipe you out and send in the heavy stuff. You are now all dead.
Really it's the atmosphere. If it is breathable, humans will kill you to the last.
If it's not breathable, but mineral rich, the humans will plop down a terraformer and make the air breathable, and we're back to square one.

>>213714701
That makes you a jobber as well since I can shoot you.
>Can't shoot the fucker in the first movie.
>Can shoot the fuckers in the second because no one cares if they bleed all over the floor.

Why did Ripley use the grenades on the egg tube instead of the queen herself? Is she stupid?

>>213714563
the thing.

>>213715152
yes.
she could've totally mowed down the queen with her pulse rifle.
but she was aura farming.

>>213714814
>like i said in another thread: you cannot be surprised by the xeno lifecycle twice.
I am well aware.
I've said the exact same thing many times.
But there is also the issue of my being able to find the first hour of Alien intensely rewatchable.
It's just as interesting every time I see it again.

I hate this "franchise" built up around this movie.
They're not trying to make new movies that are as interesting and rewatchable as Alien, they're trying to merely do "Alien" again - and missing the fucking point every time

>>213715152
The Queen is actually a sentient being. that understand the relationships between species. And know the rule killing is bad.

>>213715152
so they could have the showdown on the ship. pretty stupid question.

>>213715124
>That makes you a jobber as well since I can shoot you.
Aliens fans come off as legit psychos.
I could shoot you as well.

>>213715163
I think I like The Thing even more as a horror movie.
Alien does its space exploration sci-fi and is the most Giger ever put to film though. They're different experiences.

>>213714658
yep, Aliens is for the onions redditor warhammer 40k crowd

>>213715124
I think his point is that, because the xenos are imaginary creatures, whose capabilities (after the first film anyway) were only limited by the imagination, the writer of a sequel COULD have made the xenos more scary instead of less.
Like, say, if you shoot a xeno and it explodes into bits, eats of its individual body parts could regenerate into another xeno, like a starfish or a lizard regenerating its tail.
Or maybe you could have had them be sapient, able to speak and communicate, and have some truly alien things to say.

>>213715235
That's the point you window licking retard.
Aliens are sneaky and can only fight in close combat.
If I know that you are an armored acid bleeding alien, then you lose, because I am coming with full auto weapons.
Your only chance is to attack unsuspecting, ill armed people.
Which just ends up summoning better armed people.
You don't have guns, or even slingshots.
Bite or slash, and all you are doing is delaying the bullet.
Even as fast as Aliens breed, humans will still win.

>>213715152
Ripley is a petty bitch.

>>213715388
Regenerators are not a problem since even Chuck Norris can deal with them.

>>213715206
>I hate this "franchise" built up around this movie.
that's the thing. what you want, you will never find in any sequel, just by the virtue of audience expectations (they already know the lifecycle, so no point in having an hour of buildup similar to alien).
you need to find good standalone (or part 1) movies, where there's an emphasis on the unknown.
maybe try something like
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_(2017_film)

>>213715481
Xenos being able to regenerate into more xenos from bits of their body parts would have instantly made them a scarier threat against pulse rifles.
Every xeno you blast becomes 5 or 6 more in a matter of hours.
You could even have made the movie about, instead of a huge hive, only one xeno initially that the marines blast, which eventually becomes hundreds after several hours of fighting.

>>213715452
>That's the point you window licking retard.
The point is that you're a retarded psychopath?
DIdn't read the rest of your post.

>>213715689
Aliens can't use firearms you mongoloid.
Was that short enough for your tiktok attention span?

>>213715644
Since The Xenomorphs don't have a world ending nuke like Predators or Colonial Marines, their opinion doesn't actually matters. It is what it is.

>>213715739
You're not speaking to an alien.

>>213709463
god damn she is so sexy. i want to be on her

>>213715744
They don't *have* a world ending nuke, they *are* a world ending nuke.

>>213715799
You can't blows up the world if you are the nuke. Only sentient beings can do it. Step it up.

>>213713320
The xenomorphs didn't know what turrets were since they were freshly born, retard. They still defeated one set of turrets and went around the others to once again curb stomp the marines, which showed their intelligence. It'd be way more boring and unrealistic to always have the xenos know everything and win at all times. That would be slop you'd enjoy.

>>213715851
Xenos killed every colonist in Hadley's Hope. Get the picture.

>>213715901
Intelligence only shows when you knows the rules. Only Predators know them, they are probably writes them, back in the times, and teach them humans.

>>213715954
Cannon fodder, if you ask me. Humans are the God tier no matter how you look on them.

>>213716025
That is incredibly boring.

>>213716174
It is, what is. Freak circus doesn't writes the rules, only humans.

>>213707339 (OP)
>jobbers
>can use a elevator

>>213716245
Hm.
I think you are a fool.
Philosophically speaking, humans arose from nature, and nature could easily destroy us.
At any rate, your brand of arrogance makes for incredibly boring and shitty capeshit-tier stories.

>>213716300
>In the image of God
Nice try, anyway.

>>213708191
cute lyndon

>>213716346
Yes, exactly; in the image of god.
Weak, paradoxical, foolish, and insane.
Gods too arose from nature. From the primordial mind of the animal: man.

>>213716437
Hey you've got, what you get.

>>213710991
Aliens maintains the sci-fi horror genre of the original movie it's just that it also adds a third genre like Predator. Alien fans just forget that the xenomorph was never this invincible "perfect organism" that couldn't be harmed with normal weapons the first movie shows this quite clearly. It might be the most effective and deadliest predator in the known universe but it's not a demigod it's still just an animal.

Humans are at the top of the food chain in the real world not because we're the strongest because we aren't but because we're intelligent enough to be able to make weapons that evens the odds. Without weapons nothing is more dangerous than the xenomorph as Alien shows us.

>>213716625
The Yautja actually or tripods.

>>213716609
Your belief in human primacy will not save you from fear.

>>213716805
Everything is an illusion until it isn't, but that's something new again. Oh well.

>>213716877
Be more interesting.

>>213716895
Everything new is something old. lol

>>213714786
Yes yes anon we know, xenomorphs aren't any tyranid multigalaxy level threat that can tank a fuckton of shit to the face. They don't need to be for the stories they take place in.
In other news yautja also aren't wolverine and can in fact be taken down by humans. I swear powerlevel shit is the gayest stuff ever in media.

>>213707339 (OP)
>xenos kill all the marines except Hicks
>jobbers

>>213716929
You're going to have to work on being interesting.
At any rate "lmao humans have nukes and r gods" is so puerile and boring. There are far worse things out there than humans and nukes.

>>213717103
>Went completely extinct as a species in Alien 4. Nice try. Now we're: oh yeah, humans vs synths and AI. I bet human rebels, and synth alliances.

>>213717181
Nothing exist out of the God's image just remember.

>>213717301
Fortunately, truth does.

>>213717361
I mean what else, but "The truth is out there". So,,,

>>213712995
I feel like a better explanation for the weaker rounds is they're rubber bullets to stop some dumbass security guard from blowing out the window, not a smaller caliber
The real issue the auto-aim, which was crazy busted considering the smartgun needs a fuckhuge computing rig and targeting sight to work
The design was good tho, especially with the nod to the Isolation shotgun

>>213714701
>Bunch of blue collar wagies struggle against new threat that is shown to stalk and kill exclusively at close quarters
>Why don't armed soldiers face the same struggles?
Sorry they didn't go super saiyan Alien for you, bro

>>213715206
>It's just as interesting every time I see it again.
That's just the Ridley Scott magic at work. Go watch House of Gucci. All that build up to Adam Driver getting shot dead is kino.

>>213717646
I'm fine with the idea of the Alien up against trained soldiers, in fact I might even prefer it
But I'd also prefer it if the Alien were still actually "alien"

>>213717719
>I wish they added more forms and superpowers
You got a Queen, you got a space jockey drinking poisoned grape juice, and you got a whole line of toys and comic books. Shut the FUCK up.

>>213717753
The queen sucks. It's just a bigger alien that lays eggs (which is already less interesting, less "alien" than the originally intended way for facehugger eggs to be made).
Prometheus is slightly better, but that movie has a ton of other problems.

To be really fucking blunt, none of Alien after the first film has been good, and I wish they'd stop making it.

>>213717849
Alien and Aliens are both Hollywood classics. The rest are typical franchise shit of varying quality but I enjoy them. Furthermore, anon, you should stop watching this shit franchise if the last one you like is the one nearing 50 years old. I'm in it for the kino aesthetics and spooky monster kills at this point.

>>213717947
I think the reason I'm bitching is Disney won't let this thing die.
I would much rather Alien be this thing that I can remember as a good movie and take off my shelf to watch maybe once every 2-3 years whenever I'm in the mood for it instead of DIsney forcing it to stay a part of the cultural conversation well past its due date.
Maybe it'd be different if I had any faith that any new Alien movie would be good.
But man, if you told anyone in the 70's that family friendly princess movie-making Walt Disney Studios was going to be making Alien sequels they would have rightfully laughed their asses off.

>>213718095
>Disney won't let it die
True, but Disney has owned it for like a week at this point. The franchise has been a money making zombie well before Disney got its hands on it. Unfortunately for you, the Alien design is too damn cool to let die. It's been 50 years and no one has made anything half as marketable and memorable.

>>213718186
>Unfortunately for you, the Alien design is too damn cool to let die.
Yea people really love their dildo on legs.
/sarcasm

>>213707339 (OP)
Nobody had machine guns in the first movie

>>213718301
Are you legit unaware of the insane amount of toy sales this franchise spawned? Those motherfuckers were everywhere.

>>213718385
Anon
I pay attention to culture and I qualify for Mensa.
Yes.
I am painfully aware of how popular the Alien was and still is.
the
>/sarcasm
was meant to express my dissatisfaction with people still being obsessed over the 70's cock monster

>>213718354
They did, but handicapped themselves because they didn't want to damage their multibillion dollar ship and get saddle with the bill plus lose their bonus. If they knew what was going to happen, they'd have jumped right to shooting or hop in the lifepods

>>213719975
After breaking quarantine the only safe plan was blowing up everything even if it was safe.

>>213720347
Nope. They thought it was as easy as have one last meal, go into freezer, kane is still infected but no big deal, they'll all be scanned and quarantined for a few weeks when they get back, everything will turn out ok. Even Ash thought they were just gonna have a little alien snake parasite to study and that was it

>>213720429
>a little alien snake parasite to study
Ash is connected to the entire database that has existed. The death of the crew is his fault.

>>213707369
FPBP.

The better question is why does everyone in the Aliens universe become 80 IQ retards after Aliens.

>>213720967
>AFTER Aliens
lol

>>213714596
>Explain how the creature from Alien would defeat a team of armed space marines
When Aliens was in production, that answer was a wide open mystery. Of course after Aliens was released for public consumption, the answer is extremely dull

>>213721056
Give some examples of the Marines acting retarded in Aliens.

They were all pretty much bad asses that did everything they could to survive. Which in turn made the Aliens come off as incredibly dangerous when they started taking those Marines out one after another until they were all dead. Which in turn made Ripley into a bad ass for being able to survive the ordeal.

>>213707339 (OP)
I like the theory that the xenomorph in alien was a soldier while the xenomorphs in aliens were workers which explains why they try and capture victims for the eggs the queen is laying.

>>213714563
that one movie with the pyramid in ice came close but nobody liked it

>>213708740
The derelict space ship with the eggs and space jockey and face hugger and berserk android and "mother" the vessels ai tho.

Wasn't the whole appeal of the first movie is how it's a bunch of unarmed citizens with nothing but tools unable to properly fight back against something that could melt through their ship if they killed it?

The first xeno encounter basically makes all the marines shit their pants in fear, need to rely on automatic security systems, while every time they face them someone dies.
I'm so tired of the Alien and Aliens rhetoric at this point. What's next? Gonna tell me Die Hard is a Christmas movie?

>>213722166
>Give some examples of the Marines acting retarded in Aliens

>shotgun blast a xenomorph right on top of you
>the entire first encounter and break down of command
>every obstacle they come across is immediately UNGA BUNGA BREAK IT

>>213707339 (OP)
The xeno in Alien 1 was kind of a little bitch. It lost to 6 people armed with nothing but a glorified blowtorch, one of whom was a on it's side.

>>213707339 (OP)
First movie the humans didn't have firearms or military training.

>>213722408
Die Hard is most certainly a Christmas movie.

>>213722531
The Marines don't know about acid blood.
Tactical withdrawal while laying down fire.
Thats what Marines do.

>>213723088
>military slop
this is why Aliens is shit

>>213723139
I can't for the life of me understand what you're trying to say here. You're completely incoherent.