Thread 213713817

The art of making television has been lost.

Would it be crazy to say tv was better when it borrowed more from stage plays than trying to borrow from movies

the cinematography in TOS was top-tier
mogs the shit out of TNG

>>213713817 (OP)
>wtf are you kidding me?
What is this supposed to mean? Can zoomers actually write out complete thoughts?

>>213713881
Don't worry, in five years it will only borrow from anime

>>213713888
DS9 mogs both.

>>213713902
You can't even envision an apple rotating.

>>213713904
I feel like a lot of recent action films have already started to head in that direction

>>213713924
Idk why DS9 doesn't have a restoration

>>213713961
How would you feel if you did know?

This is a stealth voyboy thread

>>213713924
I disagree and I got trips so I'm right

>>213713817 (OP)
is it even possible to make film look bad?

>>213714646
maybe if you cut it up a lot

>>213713961
Because there's no latinum in it.
The TNG restoration cost a shit load, and lost money
DS9 would be far more complex, and would lose even more money. There is simply no profit in physical media in current year

I bet it has something to do with black and white televisions. Those look like shots from a noir movie.

>>213713881
Yes! This is one thing about almost all my favourite Twilight Zone episodes, they're basically just little stage play.

>>213713924
>It's another Nog/Jake wacky adventure episode

>>213714702
I've read that they can restore the entire series for as much as an episode of nu-Trek costs.

>>213713881
Of course not. Movies were better when they borrowed more from stage plays as well. The slow death of non-diegetic lighting, blocking and actors having to actually choreograph hitting their marks in time with focus pulls and camera moves has been agonizing to see.

Regular primetime TV shows from 30 years ago put more effort into setting up interesting framings and novel lighting than most "AAA" blockbusters and series today. I've been watching a bit of The Practice lately and it's shocking the care that was taken in some of the throwaway transitional sequences inbetween locations.

>>213714795
kino incoming

>>213713817 (OP)
The music on that show is a bit much

>>213714834
Read where? The new show has a budget of 7mill per episode.
TNG restoration cost 13mill, DS9 would be more expensive, can't say by how much

All white filming crew

>>213713924
As a DS9 fan, I would disagree, at least when it comes to cinematography. I think maybe the only time I've thought about how it was filmed the battle sequence of the Siege of AR-558.

>>213713817 (OP)

Star Trek premiered in 1966 the first year that most network TV shows were produced in color. The bright primary colors and back ground colors were used to show off new color tvs. People making tv shows at the time were learning how to use color which had previously only been available for big budget movies.

>>213713817 (OP)
>it's a Kirk eyelight episode

>>213713961
My understanding is

>TOS shot entirely on film
>TNG shot almost entirely on film except a couple effects that they had to redo
>DS9 and Voyager shot their SFX on videotape
>Enterprise shot knowing that HDTV was going to be a thing soon

End result is

>TOS gets an easy-ish HD remaster
>TNG gets an HD remaster that takes some work but is thought to be worth it due to it's preeminent position
>DS9 and Voyager stuck on DVD
>Enterprise doesn't need a remaster

>>213715181
You forget TOS remaster also had redone CGI to make it "better"

>>213715198
lol

>>213715232

that was terrible and the CGI effects now look more dated than the original optical effects which were surprisingly good considering they were using ping pong balls and paper mache.

>>213715696
>>213715232
Yeah but the CGI is optional, it's not a Star Wars situation where the only HD version available is the fucked up CGI one

>>213715020
Thanks FagGPT

>>213714795
a soulless minion of orthodoxy made this post

>>213713888
Almost every Ten-forward scene in TNG still holds up.

>>213714852
>Those shots
>Scored by Tangerine Dream
How have I never heard of this film?

>>213715020
>learning how to use color
Yeah, because color didn't already exist for millenia

>>213717128
I bet you use reddit

>>213717067
Terrible luck. It was released immediately in the shadow of Star Wars and the title gave people the wrong impression about the subject matter of the movie so it flopped hard and only in the last 20 or so years received the recognition it deserved.

>>213717128

Color film did not exist for millennia. Even though there are well known color movies from the 1930s color film was still considered an expensive luxury and most films were still black and white even in the 1960s.

>>213716942

Many later star trek series from TNG to enterprise were shot with very dark lighting to be watched on CRT tv in dark rooms. But this causes problems when you are trying to watch them on your phone in a bright environment like the beach.

>>213717343
>But this causes problems when you are trying to watch them on your phone in a bright environment like the beach.
>odd thing to say bart.jpg

>>213717343
DS9 should never be watched in a bright room or in broad daylight it just goes against nature

>>213713888
trips of trvth
TOS reigns supreme

>>213716804
>jarret

>>213713817 (OP)
TV unironically ended with The Wire.

>>213717234
Just a bit odd since there are other (previously) unpopular movies from that era like Thief and The Duellists that I have enjoyed for years.

>>213715020
i sometimes forget just how old Trek is.

>>213717581
Wtf happened to HBO? They had some actually not terrible made for TV movies in the 90s. Shows like The Wire, Deadwood, and Rome in the early 2000s. The first few seasons of Boardwalk Empire and GoT were decent. Then they just completely fell off a fucking cliff.

>>213713904
Oh thank god, I'm not the only one noticing this.
A lot of modern TV shows feel like shitty live action anime, it's really fucking weird.

>>213718275
HBO is about where it's always been. A handful of hits per decade and a load of forgettable trash. Granted they've been on a rough run since 2020 but still. If you go through their back catalog you'll see just how much junk they've always released.

>>213716494
They made the shitty CGI the default for syndication and streaming sadly

>>213713888
TNG is literally a TV show which is a TV show

>>213713881
The ancient Grecian theatre was the original artwork from which all other artworks were derived. And then of course the later theatre (and operas) of Europe were what inspired films in the first place. You can't create something from nothing, there's always a tradition or earlier creation which you owe something to in creative arts, but modern hollywood doesn't realise this.

>>213714852
Absolutely this. My favorite film is Waiting For Godot (/teevee/ midwits have never seen this and would never understand it) and if were filmed to be "cinematic", it would absolutely ruin the minimal beauty of it. You might as well rewrite it so it has a plot and character development at that point

>>213719610
>Waiting For Godot
>(/teevee/ midwits
motherfucker has to watch a play in movie form to enjoy it, then acts high and mighty about it. someone make a midwit bell curve meme for me

>>213715181
The main difference between TOS and the later shows that were also shot on film is that TOS was edited on film too. So you had a finished product you could just rescan. TNG and later were edited on tape, so you had to scan all the film and then reedit the show (finding the correct takes and stuff).

>>213713924
>Space Mall Adventures
>Good

You motherfuckers in this thread don't know about Gerald Perry Finnerman? The unsung hero of the original series. He was the cinematographer who make Star Trek so memorable. Every striking shot you see in TOS.... Jerry fucking Finnerman.

https://imgur.com/a/UGiTCwt

>>213719657
There's not always a production of it near where I live - and if there is, there's no saying it will be good or not. The film is impeccably made, and all of the actors give stellar performances in it. So yes, I watch a very playlike adaptation of my favorite play from time to time, you dunce. Enjoy watching cartoons or capeshit or degenerate French new wave bullshit or that kike Kubrick or whatever the fuck you imbeciles watch.

>>213713881
What about picrelated is taken from a stage play? I get you are referring to the scripting of star trek, but the example op gave is obviously a tv show trying to emulate the cinematography of popular films of the time.

>>213720295
>Enjoy watching cartoons or capeshit or degenerate French new wave bullshit or that kike Kubrick or whatever the fuck you imbeciles watch.
like a scatter gun of insecurity. im glad you found out your favorite 'film' is a play today. hope you seek it out. even seeing one good production of it, and you wouldn't be calling it your favorite film. and boo on the antisemitism. Jesus wants us to love everyone

>>213713902
It's a bait tweet with botted likes.

>>213714646
>is it even possible to make film look bad?
Here's your big-budget movie shot on film, bro.