Thread 213731277

The LOTR trilogy are terribly overrated movies. It is pretty much just a capeshit spectacle. All the movies have awful dialogue and everything is so damn cheesy. I really do not understand how people can stomach this Hollywood trash. The acting is over the top, the CGI hasn't aged well and the tone is very corny. The production values are decent, but that doesn't make a movie good.

These movies are NOT good movies, let alone masterpieces. It is just pure entertainment sloppa for the masses to eat up.

>>213731277 (OP)
You are gay, brown or low-IQ

>>213731277 (OP)
Weak bait
Consider kysing yourself

>>213731361
fpbp

>>213731277 (OP)
ok now what

>>213731277 (OP)
this. so. much. this. these movies needed some LGBT and POC representation, THEN they would've been good movies.

>>213731361
>>213731369
>>213731370
>>213731391
>>213731394
You are just nostalgic because you watched it when you were a kid. Read some serious literature like Proust or watch a good film from Bresson. LOTR is cloakslop

>>213731361
Most likely all three

>>213731450
I would beat shit out of you if we met irl whore bitch

>>213731277 (OP)
On the one hand, yes, you're absolutely right.
They're kinda trashy movies for the mass market. Higher production values than similar modern stuff, but proto-capeshit all the same.
On the other hand, for the people who've read (and enjoyed) the novels, they're not horrible adaptations. Actually somewhat enjoyable as companion pieces to the novels - they leave out *a lot* from the books, but while you're watching the films you can fill in the gaps between certain scenes with your knowledge of what happens in the full story, and then at some points it *is* fun to see the operatic spectacle of big scenes in the novels as the movies interpret them (at other points you have stuff like Legolas surfing down a flight of stairs on an Orc shield bullseye-ing two orcs at once - which is ... creative embellishment).

So it's a movie trilogy that holds both mass market appeal and appeal for fans of the novels. For some reason I think the novels actually became very popular in the USA before the movies - might have been people reappraising them in the wake of Harry Potter.

That said, I tried to rewatch them a few years ago, and I couldn't even get through the third one. Unwatchable CGI mess.

There are only two things that are possible, if you think like this. Both can be true.
>You are brown
>You don't have a soul.

>>213731512
Mad because i shitted on your favorite capeshit slop? Grow up you pathetic manchild

>>213731549
ok now what

>>213731525
>For some reason I think the novels actually became very popular in the USA before the movies
They got VERY popular with the Hippie movement in the 60s, look at the sheer amount of rock and metal that has referenced his work

>>213731628
That's true yea
>tfw we never got Stanley Kubrick's Lord of the Rings starring the Beatles as the four hobbits

>>213731277 (OP)
You have to be white to enjoy it, sorry randeep

>>213731549
>>213731549
Are you ready to fight on fists you fagot

>>213731525
calling LOTR

>kinda trashy movies for the mass market

is something I thought I'd never see. Congrats on being dumber than I've seen in a very long time and I see total retards online every day

>>213731701
You people need to watch something that isn't some Hollywood crap. Have you ever watched a classic arthouse film? LOTR is pure kitsch trash compared to Pickpocket

>>213731748
ok now what

>>213731754
Seethe harder

>>213731450
Proust is jewish. Bet you don’t think you’re so smart now, doncha?

>>213731701
Anon, I like the Lord of the Rings movies
But I've also read the novels - the films are inferior
And I've seen *much* better films
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDfhBZ-uftQ

Honestly I find this kind of thing fun, but it *is* trashy

>>213731787
So? The works of Proust are far better than any fantasyslop like LOTR

There is some point where there is nothing wrong with Fantasy, and the people who denigrate it are suspect.

>>213731277 (OP)
Don't care
>>213731361
Fpbp

>>213731701
what? you think these were niche arty films?

>>213733032
maybe he's a zoomer who didn't realize they were mass market films at the time they came out
nowadays they probably do seem like some kind of super sekrit movies for white people

>>213731525
I'm a fan of the films, but more of a fan of the books. Fellowship of the Ring is an excellent adaption overall and is mostly the book with everything from the The Old Forest, Tom Bombadil and the Barrow Wights removed. That said, Two Towers and Return of the King, while great movies on their own differ greatly from the books. It was like Jackson kind of blew his load making that spectacular first movie and then made some pretty good ones to follow it but they weren't as good as Fellowship. He portrayed Frodo and Sam as a gay couple intentionally and really threw that on thick at the end of the third movie which pissed me off. He portrayed Aragorn as a reluctant hero that he wasn't, he really changed the character of Faramir. He changed the Red Arrow to the beacons of Gondor for some reason. He had this weird thing with Arwen where she gives up her immortality based on a necklace that doesn't even exist in the books, when he could have just explained she was made human because of her half elven bloodline. Also no Glorfindel but plenty of time for Haldir. There was a whole side quest where Aragorn is seperated from Legolas and Gimli because of the Wargs. Just weird shit like that.

>>213731277 (OP)
You hit the nail on the head, so many plebs seething. I'm so sick of people deep throating this trash like it's Casablanca.

I love jerking off with my contrarian brethren. So fun shitting on the popular stuff together

>>213733208
Yea, Fellowship is the best of the movies.

>>213733267
Yes. Normies gtfo, and I dont like Sydney Sweeny either so go ahead and call me brown because that's the only defense you tasteless mouth breathers have.

LOTR is on the same level as Star Wars. Both complete NPC cattle slop

>>213731361
Fippybippy

>>213731277 (OP)
>Bait: The Thread

>>213733535
>surely LOTR is the height of cinema and nobody could possibly have better taste than me

>>213733797
>OP rapes a strawman for all to see

>>213731277 (OP)
I disagree because LOTR was genre-defining for the time and had fantastic and mind-blowing art design, music, and atmosphere. To this day it stands apart from anything made before or after. These 2 factors alone elevate it above capeshit IMO.

>>213732093
Absolutely irrefutable.

>>213731277 (OP)
the start of the battle in the beginning of fellowship is fucking awesome.

>>213733952
>To this day it stands apart from anything made before or after.

Jesus Christ watch more movies. Do you only watch capeshit? I can name hundreds of films better than this tripe

>>213731784
ok now what

It's a good Anglo-Saxon story

I believe /tv/ overrates it because of their weird proclivity for connecting it with their politics.

You cannot refute this

Yeah, not my favorite flicks, but I enjoyed them a bit. I even teared up at the end of RotK when I rewatched them recently.

>>213734299
trvke

>the tone is very corny
why are you scared of sincerity? congrats on outing yourself as brown

>>213731361
/Thread

>>213734639
That's not sincerity. The first movie feels sincere. In the sequel the humor feels forced and is often annoying.

>>213731277 (OP)
You're right. The films are carried by their soundtracks. The music is unironically some of the most moving and well-crafted work ever created by humans across all mediums, period. If it weren't for the soundtracks, these movies would be a blip that came and went like any other 2000s fantasy romp. Somehow they lucked out and got scores that are on par with the best symphonies ever composed. Music does a lot of subtle, subconscious tricks on the human mind and it tricked the audience into regarding these movies as pure gold. Normies can't actually recall a single fucking plot point from these films yet all agree they are some sort of divinely channeled work. In truth the normies are just remembering the deep primal emotional resonance that the music evoked.

>>213731361
Probably a zoomer too.

>>213731277 (OP)
Thryre good but the books are superior, especially return of the king

>>213731701

Its true though. Millenials, especially women meme the shit out of the films on social media.

>>213731277 (OP)
Retarded zoomer, fuck off back to /r/eddit where you belong.

>>213731277 (OP)
The quality of those movies has only gone up as time goes by because the quality of most that came after has deteriorated to pint where they are circling the drain.

>>213735628
Dude, there is more to cinema than Hollywood

>>213735616
Reddit loves Lotr you pleb

>>213731394
Unironically this. It makes me feel so uncomfortable to not see one single POC in the entire cast. It’s disgusting and they haven’t aged at all. I’m not even a leftist tranny or a brown person at all. Quite the contrary, I’m a white male and conservative and I still feel that these movies are just idk too white washed and kind of corny. The books were pretty good however, so I think it would be nice to get a remake of the movies with a cast and effects that really showcase today’s landscape much clearer. They’re over 20 years old at this point anyhow.

>>213735904
I forgot to mentioned, that as a Jewish person, I want to see more diversity on these remakes with strong characters that reflect the cultural and social landscape of contemporary times.

We will never get an all white cast like this again.

>>213731361
Fpbp, if you felt nothing during Theoden's speech before the Ride of the Rohirrim you are not white. It's that simple.

Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden! Spears shall be shaken, shields shall be splintered, a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!"
Théoden: "Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!"
Théoden: "Ride for ruin and the world's ending!"
Théoden: "Death! Death! Death!"
Théoden: "Forth Eorlingas!"

>>213734299
pretty much

>>213731277 (OP)
Anyone who ever watched the other attempts by Hollywood at a fantasy epic, especially the ones throughout the 80s, LOTR was the best of them all by miles and miles. It's likely to end that way too, the best we are ever going to get of a sword and sorcery fantasy film.

For some reason no one else in Hollywood is capable of adapting DnD styled high fantasy to film after 40+ years of trying. Everything else is either incredibly shit, or at best marginally watchable or entertaining for how incredibly shit it is.

>>213735904
How does one make a movie take place in fantasy mythical England and only star white people anyway? Have these people ever been to England before? It's like 65% brown and black people, the nation has a spectrum of languages used throughout. Where the fuck is the Indian representation? Where is the North African representation? Why are there no Farsi speaking peoples anywhere in Middle Earth when it's possibly the most used language in the country today?

>>213734299
>You cannot refute this
The movies collectively won 475 awards, the real issue is that /tv/ is filled with midwit contrarians who can't ever admit something is good without having some retard go
>Umm Akshully

>>213736124
I think I actually enjoyed Excalibur and Conan more.

>>213736124
Who cares this fantasy stuff is nerdshit

The difference between LOTR and cape shit, is Peter Jackson actually wanted to make LOTR.

>>213736124
We had a good thing going with Game of Thrones for a while...and then it turned into one of the shittiest things ever that turned every single fan off to it and now it's one of the worst things made.

>>213736124
>Anyone who ever watched the other attempts by Hollywood at a fantasy epic, especially the ones throughout the 80s, LOTR was the best of them all by miles and miles.
Hold on
That's extremely debatable

>>213736251
Not everyone needs to like Hollywood slop

/tv/ overrates those flicks. They are pretty good blockbusters, but nothing beyond that. I guess you can put them on the level of Jurassic Park.

Probably not even top 100 of 2000s, let alone of all time.

>>213736320
Oddly I see this is why the Hobbit movies were terrible, Jackson genuinely did not want to make those and phoned everything in.

>>213736320
I mean he did streamline a lot and do some Hollywood tier editing of the story to make it more consumable, but some of the scenes like Frodo's encounter with Shelob was about as accurate to the book as you could get and the overall themes of are still well portrayed.

>>213736332
No it isn't.
Nobody cares how cool you thought Beastmaster or Krull were when you saw them at age 9. They're fucking awful.

Both these and the star wars franchise are direct predecessors of modern capeshit endless franchises. They harmed the film industry like no other product

>>213736358
I'd mostly agree, but the Lord of the Rings story is great.
So they're flicks elevated by great source material, and if you know the source material, and know the movies are generally respectful of it, there's sort of a positive feedback loop there that makes people see the movies more highly.

>>213736338
You do not like movies if you can't admit LOTR were good movies, simple as.

>>213731277 (OP)
I only tended to think the bad aspects of the movies were the times they went full post Matrix Hollywood and stuck some nonsense action stunt in there. Those always took me right out of the film when they happened.

Hobbit movies being way worse about the video game stunts like Legolas Mario style hopping on falling bricks.

>>213736358
Nobody watches foreign cinema here. That's the reason people overrate it here

>>213736358
>Probably not even top 100 of 2000s,
The LOTR movies were some of the best made movies of the 2000's topkek, get the fuck out of here. You might not like the fantasy blockbuster thing but technically speaking the amount of talent that went into making them is incredible.

>>213736361
I want the alternate-universe version of Hobbit where it's just a single 3hr movie, instead of stretched thin to a trilogy.

>>213736379
Hey Beastmaster and Krull are a lot of fun.
But Conan the Barbarian is arguably a better film than at least both Two Towers and RotK.

>>213736413
There is more to cinema than capeshit spectacle anon

>>213731277 (OP)
Pretty much the people who bitch about these movies hate the genre more than the movies. There are no guns, fast cars, or naked tits so clearly the movies are shit and they cannot understand how in the hell anyone likes them.

Not when REAL movies should be about REAL shit like ghetto niggas dealing and running from cops with at least 3 sex scenes minimum!

>>213731277 (OP)
You're thinking of the hobbit movies

>>213736523
Strawman

>>213736523
Redditor post
Actually most of the replies defending this proto capeshit mess types like a redditfag.

I think the Hobbit films have taken some of the shine off of LOTR. In his Hobbit trilogy, Jackson places all his worst tendencies and excesses front and centre for much of the running time, demanding that his larks and stunts be noticed regardless of our disinterest. The effect has been that the average viewer has become more alert to the existence of similar defects in the LOTR films, especially in the third one.

Jackson's faults show up to a lesser degree in LOTR, where they're still in an embryonic form, but a viewer who has had his patience drained by The Hobbit will come to LOTR with a frayed temper and an unforgiving attitude towards scenes like Legalos skateboarding down the stairs. The Hobbit has convinced that viewer that Jackson is a fucking buffoon, the good will has been burned away like Smeagol in the lake of fire, and now he watches LOTR with an adversely withering eye.

>>213736523
Lol, when I think about movies better than LotR I have in mind stuff like In the Mood for Love, Yi Yi, even more mainstream ones like Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, not action flicks.
LotR is fine, but it's still full of boring Hollywoodish tropes like dumb humor, overly long CGI battles and other stuff.

>>213736493
You can probably make a decent movie if you edit out all the insane stupid shit.
Just remove
>90% of the barrel river stuff
>All of the Necromancer stuff
>Every scene with Saruman and Galadriel
>Everything with the Dwarves running from Smaug, really just the entire last 50 minutes of Desolation, all of it
>Every single scene involving Alfrid, drop the character completely
>Every scene with Legolas and Tauriel after leaving Mirkwood, none of their Laketown shit
>90% of the third movie

It would still be about 4 hours long since most of the first movie is good enough to keep, about an hour or so of the second and maybe 30 minutes of the third.

I would love some re-edits of the more retarded art direction stuff like the Great goblin or Beorn designs. Del Toro needs to be flogged for that shit

>>213736523
That is sort of what I have seen, most people hating on the movie tend to be people that hate all fantasy/magic type movies for not being gritty or real, or they think it's nerd shit and hate it on basic principle.

>>213736707
The edits you've suggested wouldn't fix the problem of the dwarves having terrible makeup and costuming, a problem impairing every scene they appear in.

As OP is a faggot he is wrong in both his sexuality and views on cinema

>>213736707
>>213736889
Del Toro's costume and art direction really fucked these movies.

>>213733208
3rd movie still had Frodo's encounter Shelob which was about as book accurate as you could ask for but yeah Jackson didn't go nearly as hard as he did for thr 1st movie