Thread 213731755

Is C Concept as good as it gets?

TOS Enterprise will always have a top tier position in my heart. But it's hard to beat C Concept.

i ship kirk and spock

Personally, I'm a fan of the California class, and everything associated with it.

>>213731755 (OP)
Why do you keep posting this fat looking bitch?

>>213732653
It's really not fat compared to the vast majority of Enterprise ship designs. It basically makes the TOS design fatter and rounder, but if you compare it to anything Next Generation and onward, it's crazy to call it fat.

>>213732718
Reread what you just read and put it in a broader sociological context. You fat.

>>213732737
I literally did put it in the broader sociological context. I am not fat, but you are dumb. You are also needlessly argumentative, which is not a good combination of traits.

>>213731755 (OP)
The Ambassador class is a very good middle ground between Excelsior and Galaxy class star ships.

My favourite though is the Rhode Island version of the Nova class star ship. Small, sleek and good looking.

>>213733011
I like how it looks from the top down view. Can't say the other angles really do it for me.

>>213731755 (OP)
>>213733011
>>213733200
Totally digging the high incidence here. Imagine getting to be the Captain of the C and being able to give the order "Activate Concept thrusters."

>>213732627
That’s just the reliant but colored black

>>213731755 (OP)
>C Concept
That's a picture of the C they used in the show, not the concept you fucking retard

>>213734306
Nice concept jacket.

>>213734306
Oh fuck off already. They're both Concept. If you have an issue with the Concept Family (CF) Enterprise designs that's your own issue.

>>213731755 (OP)
D still mogs, sorry.

>>213734410
If they turned it into a model and used it for the episode then it's no longer conceptual.

>>213732170
it's actually a pretty cool concept
the merging of the B class and D class to create a logical intermediate design
beats nuDreck bullshit "designs" with fucking holes IN THE DAMN SHIP or actual retarded detached nacelles

though I'm always gona favor Probert's C concept >>213734410
if only they had more time and man-power during the show

>>213732627
That show wasn't supposed to be that good. We had something good and they took it away.

Anyway, at first the design of that ship bugged me off, but then it grew so much on me that I actually miss it.

>>213734981
Don't be sad Lower Decks is over; be happy it happened at all.

>>213732627
>>213734981
>>213735169
>you have to take a turbolift through the nacelles in order to move from saucer to engineering
Stop pretending to like the design.

>>213735169
>be happy it happened at all
if I ever find you, you'll get your surprise too

>>213735169
The whole Concept of Lower Decks was never really one that appealed to me.

>>213732781
Settle down tubby

>>213735401
Ok, I will. Just for you.

>>213735587
If not for me than for your health

>>213735598
Even though I find it unlikely you'd "out-health" me, I appreciate your concern.

>>213734981
>>213735169
It was a trashy cartoon made for trashy people.

>>213735169
Why would I be happy about garbage

>>213731755 (OP)
i love proper models, you could make a whole thread about just behind the scenes stuff and models. the c/ambassador was indeed sexy

>>213735223
I like all the derpy highlighter ships that only got designed to die in Wolf 359, and the California has the same energy.

>>213736239
For me, it's the Springfield class.

>>213736533
Where is the warp core? Where is the deflector dish? You can't just have a fucking nacelle. Awful design.

>>213736532
Mmmm that's got charm!
Was it that ever featured?
I've always looked those goofy looking medical ships, not sure Why they look so different

>>213736622
>Where is the warp core?
In the hump connecting the nacelle to the neck.
>Where is the deflector dish?
On that little attachment at the base of the nacelle.
>You can't just have a fucking nacelle.
You can if you shove a pair of alternating warp coils into it, making it two-in-one nacelles.

>>213736622
its a one off use for a background broken ship, never meant to be considered real

>>213733011
nova is cute
but for me its excelsior and sovereign

>>213736807
They made the model only to beat it up for the BoBW wreckage scene (I think: Springfield might had gotten lucky and not had its physical model damaged like the other since it was so far in the background) and never used the design on-screen again even when DS:9 switched to CGI which would had allowed all the Galaxy-likes to make a reappearance instead of endlessly reusing the Miranda model.
Out of all the Wolf 359 original designs, only the Nebula got green-lit for future appearances.

They're basically the TNG counterparts to the Star Fleet Technical Manual Constitution-likes.

>>213732170
>TOS Enterprise
She was an important milestone. It's afaik the first scifi starship that was designed with functionality of the different sections in mind. Before that, movie spaceships were just flying saucers with no consideration of how they worked.

the constitution refit class is a work of art.

>>213736981
IIRC converting ships into 3D was exceedingly clunky at the time: the CG Nebula model used in DS9 and Voyager isn't the original digitized, it's a digital reconfiguration of the Galaxy CG model which caused its proportions to change.
In theory, they could had done the same to represent the Freedom and Challenger, but the others used custom parts that would have to be modeled manually using jank early 90s software or used pieces off the Ambassador class which never got a CG model.

>>213737193
It's magical. I prefer the blue dish version. Whoever kitbashed thoses warp engines together deserves a medal. The harmony is amazing.

>>213737227
Time and budget were also a factor which is why the Dominion War fleets consisted of copy/pasted Galaxies, Excelsiors, Mirandas, and Akiras

>>213735308
so will you

>>213737356
>copy/pasted
I have no complaints about that Federation fleet. It makes absolute sense. If you are fighting a war, then you need multiple ships.

>Galaxies, Excelsiors, Mirandas,
According to the lore, these ships were the most mass produced ships and were most readily available at the start of the Dominion war.

>>213735223
Seems appropriate for a support ship dedicated to second contact. Also, as seen in the first episode, the ensigns live down there, they sleep in a hallway, and their view of the outside is watching where the ship just was.
>>213735359
That's fine. You can have your own opinions. Just don't try to force your opinions on others.
>>213736026
I'll bet you felt like a big man saying that, didn't you? If only the bullies that tormented you mercilessly in middle school could see you now! They'd be so impressed with how you turned out!

>>213737498
You're already having a schizo meltdown in the other thread and you're having one here too? Jesus Christ, grandpa. Take your nap already.

>>213737342
it seems like Starfleet never built many ships of this class. Do we see any constitution refit class ships outside of the TOS movies?

>>213737573
We don't but it's always assumed there were more.

>>213732627
Cali class always looked like it was missing some important detail. Like how the pylons just sort of attach to the dish without any extras, they just plug into a dish like someone was gluing parts together at home.

>>213737498
>"Don't be sad Lower Decks is over; be happy it happened at all."
>:The whole Concept of Lower Decks was never really one that appealed to me."
Your initial statement is literally structured as a command. My statement is just a statement of preference. Your preference sucks too, by the way.

>>213737594
because the whole cartoon is a shitty parody of star trek made in an "official" context like harley quinn and velma
the ship is ugly on purpose because it's making fun of the oberth and other similar designd

I wish they put this bad boy in SNW
The NuEnterprise looks like iron.

>>213737193
>>213737342
It's still my favorite design, and I love how all the little details on it actually do things, they are not there just for the sake of detail.

I don't think any art department ever really worked as hard on a model like this again in the franchise.

>>213737498
Things like this, along with it being very underpowered, always made me think that the Cali class was especially tiny. It was weird to later learn that it was one of the much bigger starfleet ships out there.

Ship is near Galaxy class size, yet there are no dedicated bunk rooms for low level officers.

Imagine the Enterprise D (or any TNG-style starship) with the A's whitish pearlescent finish.

>>213737709
>I don't think any art department ever really worked as hard on a model like this again
Afaik it was also the first time they came with those iridescent chameleon panels that really add to the sense of scale and how the ship was assembled by real people and machinery.

>>213737539
No matter how desperately you try to meme it into existence, nothing I'm posting even remotely qualifies as a meltdown.

>>213737606
You feel I commanded you to not be sad, and instead to be happy?

>>213737763
god the crossfield class is so ugly. Did they ever explain the rotating saucer section?

>>213737872
mmhmm time for your nap grandpa

>>213737893
kino. absolute unit. The internal volume is huge.

>Enterprise
Mustang
>Enterprise refit
Camaro
>Enteprise D
A6 wagon
>Defiant
Polo GTI
>Voyager
928

>>213736533
>what, you expected more?

>>213737906
No, I didn't personally feel that way. I took it as the kind of smug, flippant thing that someone who enjoys Lower Decks would say. I was just pointing out that your initial statement was much more in line with the kind of thing you were implying that I was doing. So if you care about the ethos embodied by you said, which there's a good chance you do not, the contradiction is something you could ruminate on a bit. But please understand that I don't expect you to do that.

The impulse engines are blasting till the end. Shouldn't they at least turn them off and drift inside using intertia? How do they even brake? Is the station's tractor beam catching them?

>>213736839
Doesn't look too bad actually. Plenty of room for a team of explorers.

>>213738071
RCS thrusters and tractor beams

>>213738071
I know this is a mat painting but they actually put some thought into how those warp engines look unilluminated. There's this one episode where the ship is being decontaminated and overtaken by terrorists, and the engines are just this brownish metal that starts to glow when the coils are active.

>>213737573
One of them got splashed in BoBW which is also their last chronological appearance outside of a museum.

>researches science shit in your path
Wat do?

>>213737763
I don't buy that the California is bigger than an Excelsior. In earlier episodes, it's about 3/4ths the size of a Luna class which is demonstrably smaller than a Sovereign (a ship that itself is smaller than a Galaxy, if only in volume) in the same series.

Activate absolutely massive levels of C Concept.

>>213738560
USS KINEAU

>>213737696
I'm still holding out on the hope the DISCOprise will get refit into the configuration we saw the New Jersey in the one non-dogshit part of Picard bonus points if they reuse the original bridge set as well, leaving the Constitution just as it was when Kirk took the helm.

>>213737981
an absolute beast of a ship

>>213733011
I really like the second version's simpler look. Has a bit more of an astronaut vibe with the orange and white combo standing out.

>>213739126
>the second version's
what second version?

>>213739172
Good question. Guess I like the underside and back view the most.

>>213736233
Look up junkball media he’s a YouTuber that broke down the design and building of each major class of ship seen on screen. And yes all the designs for kurtztrek have stories behind them that are just as disappointing as the stories they were used in

>>213739354
Literally a bird puffing its chest to appear bigger than it is.

>>213739354
yeah yeah but what about the Romulan Bird of Eat and the Romulan Bird of Love?

>>213739354
Way too big. This fan rendition looks like the D could fit inside there

>>213737573
>it seems like Starfleet never built many ships of this class. Do we see any constitution refit class ships outside of the TOS movies?
In my headcannon they were prolific in the late 2200s and early 2300s but, since that period is missed my most of the shows and movies, we just never saw it. I like to imagine there were other constitutions and variants of it that we just never saw. (it's too kino of a style to think they were just a flash in the pan)

>>213739595
Is this better?

The imagery of a very strange, monolithic version of the Enterprise came to mind once, incredibly armored as if it had to last for ages or was intended for suicide missions
It's no main ship material with how it's like pure, greebled onyx minus the glowing blue ring atop each of its warp engines
In a pinch it could separate and those rings would fire deadly rays across a wide area to cover the main crew section's escape

>>213740379
such kino designs for a movie that felt like no one wanted to make it

>>213737893
1701-B
What's the B for?
She's a classy Bitch!

Loved the B

>>213734916
Fuck yeah, activate Probert C Concept

>>213737573
>it seems like Starfleet never built many ships of this class. Do we see any constitution refit class ships outside of the TOS movies?

Yes. We see the wreckage of one during the Battle of Wolf 359.

>>213731755 (OP)
It's as bad as it gets

>flak ship of the federation
>made for "peace times" and diplomatic missions
>entire decks that are empty most of the time, dedicated to hosting diplomatic guests
>underpowered shields and weapons because it's an oversized cruise ship
>gets knocked around constantly by generic romulan and klingon ships
>intentionally has children and civilian spouses on board that take up space and make it harder to engage in combat
>you have to separate the useless part of the ship with the children and civilians first before you can enter an armed conflict

It's a joke. It should have never flown beyond federation borders without an escort of actually useful battleships.

>>213742072
I have several reasons why I suspect that you weren't paying very much attention.

>>213742302
pray tell

>>213742398
First of all, you think you're describing the D even though you're replying to a post about the C.

>>213736951
excelsior is peak comfy

>>213736951
>>213742448
Excelsior is only good from below. Look at it from above and your eyes are drawn to... that thing... The Pill...

>>213742488
what's inside it?

>>213737193
one of the things on TMP they got very right

>>213737981
That megaphaser was cool af. They should have put one on the Enterprise-E, so Picard blowing up the borg cube at the beginning of First Contack made more sense.

>>213736532
Why's it upside down?

>>213742787
Transwarp core?

>>213738685
This is awesome. Thank you for sharing it.

>>213740379
>>213740481
I dislike how they kept trying to stretch the ships and make them sleeker and sleeker like a jet aircraft. It's a rather boring way to show uogrades to a ship.

>>213742072
You're confusing the Ambassador with the Galaxy, and the Galaxy is basically a mobile starbase which has plenty of military uses that don't entail flying it into the battleline.

>>213743475
they wanted to make the E look "fast" so they leaned into that semi-merged engineering and saucer section look. I don't like it either.

>>213743475
I think the Soverign's working concept was to make a "TNGfied" version of the Excelsior's general profile, like how the Olympic class is a TNGfied Daedalus.

>>213742072
The Galaxy class was meant to be a long term city ship for missions that could take many years beyond the borders of the Federation. Designed to provide for all the needs of the crew including the ability to bring their families. The crew could pornteially be gone for 5 to 10 years far beyond the borders of the Federation.

In addition, it was also designed to potentially be a Colony ship to help create colonies on distant planets. The ship would be loaded with colonists and stuffed to brim with supplies and building materials. The Galaxy would drop them off on a far away planet and then come back. Potentially spending years doing it.

All the combat problems you mentioned were fixed during the Dominion war. The Galaxy received a refit for war and became a powerhouse.

>>213743717
Nobody knows about the Daedalus except for turbonerds tho.

>>213743717
John Eaves is a huge fan of the Excelsior.

>>213743772
Poor ship can't catch a break
>Was in the run-up to be the NX-01 for ENT but studio execs shot it down for being too campy
>Was going to be featured in the Earth-Romulan War arc of ENT only for ENT to be cancelled

>>213737763
>>213738575
It's supposed to be small yet it has all the same things the D has: a captain's yacht, a bridge ready room, a boardroom, an officer's lounge and bar, multiple holodecks, dedicated yoga and martial arts rooms etc. Even the missions it goes on. I think the writers just wanted to do the Galaxy class all along
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnqA7SXVrkY

>>213743475
My feelings exactly. The "flying saucer" look was so iconic, it hurt to lose it for long, and even now it doesn't feel like we've course corrected. It's like a visual metaphor for the whole franchise post-Voyager

>>213743805
I think it kind of looks pregnant. Who's the daddy?

>>213743805
Never got what the deal with the accordion neck was about.