Thread 213732125

Ever been a bigger, harder fumble before or since? I can't think of one.

GOT at least had a slow descent. This went from an easy addition to the HBO Hall of Fame S1, to "wait they made more?" by S2.

And this might shock many of you, but they actually made another 2 seasons even after that.

The nice thing about season 1 is that it basically tells its own complete story so you can just end with it and pretend it's a miniseries.

>>213732162
this
The next seasons were so retarded it was unreal.

>>213732125 (OP)
Season 1 had a fun premise. Season 2 was just The Adventures of Invincible Blonde Girlboss and Invincible Black Girlboss, which was immediately boring because SPOILER ALERT no one can get invested in characters if the writers are too afraid to give them setbacks.

There's an extremely bizarre mind virus in Hollywood that makes writers believe they can't show women or nonwhites having setbacks because "they need role models" so the scenarios invariably devolve into watching the invincible girlboss punch her way through what's become a tutorial stage.

>>213732125 (OP)
I liked every season, 2 though holds a special place in my heart. Think those are bad watch FutureWorld. Now that is proper WestWorld shit.

>>213732125 (OP)
Biggest blunder of the 2010s. Nothing will top it.

>>213732125 (OP)
This and Walking Dead only needed one season.

Season 1 serves as a great self-contained story. It didn't need a Season 2, although 2 had some good moments. 3 and 4 are a bit of their own thing.

>>213732125 (OP)
>Ever been a bigger, harder fumble before or since? I can't think of one.
Battlestar Galactica careens off of a cliff too, but it didn't waste as much talent as Westworld did.

The show just seemed split on what it wanted to do. Season 2 delivers a ton of development to William only to neglect the character almost entirely for the third season. Why? What the fuck was the point of Bernard after the first season? Even Dolores is all over the place, and not in a thoughtful way. I don't mind the show leaving the park, but the balance it found between its mystery and using the park as a satire vehicle in the first season was the most cohesive the show ever got and it felt aimless once it left.

>>213732125 (OP)
>Ever been a bigger, harder fumble before or since?
1899. Netflix is fucking brain dead as fuck. And I genuinely hope those faggots go bankrupt.

>>213733552
>I liked every season, 2 though holds a special place in my heart.
Your heart has really, really low standards. Season 2 was shit.

>>213734683
Lmfao, Delos and William part is Kino.

>>213732654
>There's an extremely bizarre mind virus in Hollywood that makes writers believe they can't show women or nonwhites having setbacks because "they need role models"
Do they not realize that a very big part of being a role model involves modeling how to manage failure appropriately?

>>213734804
It's the single best episode in the show. The season as a whole just meanders, though I suspect people would look back on it with a little more warmth if the show didn't entirely shit the bed with the third season. Even when it was airing the second season wasn't loved, though.

>>213732654
>dude the heccin' humans are bad for using the robots as slaves they have feelings too
>anyway here are our protagonists, two girlbots who can control their fellow robots as slave and override their free will, their goal is to murder everyone

what a gaffe

i naturally stopped at s1 never picked it up again and everything ive read indicates i made the correct choice/inaction

>westworld stops taking place in westworld
>Every human is a robot

I didn't even know there was a season 4

>>213735028
Same. Partly what motivated me to stop was that the sequel hook involved The Least Interesting Character In The Story and my mind just went 'nah, not interested in that faggot girlboss shit'

It was fumbled as a series, but at least you can just watch Season 1 and assume it's a single series. It works perfectly fine standalone.

It's to the point when people say they watched Season 2, i'm genuinely curious as to why they did - what exactly interests you past this point?
A completely different setting would be nice perhaps, but the moment they show you the same characters again i'm already out.

try rewatching first two seasons without grifters in your ear. There's no "le massive drop in quality" between them. And because of the ending, i would say S2 is even slightly better. There's this online phenomenon where all it takes sometimes is literally one reddit post(this is what happened here), or one yt video and then suddenly half of the internet will mindlessly repeat some stupid bullshit. I understand people having similar opinions about something but if they all use the same specific wording, they are mindless npcs and i have nothing but contempt for them. Seriously, try rewatching them. Even here, live opinions about s2 were mostly positive. But then hivemind took over. If you could ask them then they would probably say it went from 9/10 to 8/10. But now they will say it went from 10/10 best show ever to 1/10 worst show ever simply because they don't even remember what they felt watching those episodes. They replaced the memory of that experience with what the internet told them to think about it. Just rewatch them. But i know you won't because you're scared i'm right and you don't wanna find out you were npc idiot. The cognitive dissonance would melt your brains

s3 and s4 are weaker but still mostly good/decent

>>213735297
>s3 and s4 are weaker but still mostly good/decent. Agreed until that.Would not use decent as a word for either of those seasons.

>>213735297
I binged S1 and S2 together over lockdown without having ever heard of the series.
I think I got 4 episodes into Season 2 and quit.
It really is unsalvageable dogshit and this strawman you've invented that people only dislike it because they're told to dislike it is just that, cope.
Season 1 is genuinely fantastic TV.

>>213735384
you can check imdb ratings for s2 episodes. They are not 1,4/10

>>213735425
>whole novel bitching about people being NPCs just regurgitating what they read
>"bro check the IMDb ratings"
You are a staggering level of retarded.

>>213735474
someone rates an ep as 8/10 or 9/10 but if you ask them year later he would say it was the worst ep ever. Something doesn't add up

>>213735297
>s3 and s4 are weaker but still mostly good/decent
They are absolutely fucking not. They occasionally have some neat ideas, but go nowhere with them or the characters.

Season 2
>Here is a lore rule
30 seconds later
>The black queen can break the rule, watch!

>>213735521
Why do you assume these are all the same people?
Note the massive loss in overall viewers and IMDb ratings on Season 2-Season 4. Surprise, when a show is dogshit most people simply tune out and don't bother rating it while happy-clapping retards like you will stay on the ride.
Repeat,
>You are a staggering level of retarded.

>watch the first couple episodes
>shitskins, dikes, faggotry, girlbosses, mixed race couples
>immediately stop watching
pic related

>>213732125 (OP)
Fucking MIND-CONTROL BEES

>>213735145
Nice tits though
I like thinking about how the girl boss actresses will regret their nude bodies being on my DVD shelf for the rest of their lives kek

>>213732162
And the first episode is complete in its own right, a perfect introduction to everything in S1.

>>213732125 (OP)
It's hard to care about characters who can't die

>>213732125 (OP)
Reminder, same creative team.

>>213734953
Really wish they expanded on it in season 3. The ending with William was just awesome.

>>213735297
I think you are actually victim of what you were trying to disprove, because you've watched S2 with beforehand knowledge of people not liking it. Now, I am not calling you a contrarian, not even like in subconscious level, I just think because you were so eager to give season 2 a fair honest shot that you ended up being more magnanimous than the season deserves.

There's also the other aspect, I don't think it's entirely fair to judge the series out of the context of the hype/wait time between seasons (that's why they are seasons). For example, when I was binging Walking Dead (don't ask, I had depression) I really didn't think Glenn's death was that bad, but when you take into account a year of wait between season 6's finality and season 7's start, yeah, I'd be pissed too.

>>213735297
I watched it without much "internet opinion" reaching me when I first watched it.
I thought S02 was fine. S01 was better written (as shows usually are, that is just how productions work), but in S02 you are shown the aftermath and then unravel what else is happening bit by bit and there are interesting set pieces. (The Shogun land raid was fantastic.)
S03 was disappointing. for one, they changed the show completely. It was no longer about the park, but about a future dystopia with lifelike robots. I was pumped when I saw the trailer and Thomas Flanagan coming on, but they just did not manage to create a world I cared about. S04 was more of the same, their pseudo intellectual ramblings showed even more, where in S1 and S2 they were at least good enough to not pop up negatively within the show.
But I do agree with your base statement that people are easily primed one way or the other to watch a show with the wrong mindset and then be quite harsh on it. my go to example there is True Detective.

>>213732125 (OP)
Prisonbreak
>season 1: I got in prison specifically to break my brother on death row out
>season 2: I broke out of prison and am on the run with my brother and several other guys... um... I didn't expect to get this far
>season 3: guess we'll go back to prison so we can do the name of the show again
>season 4: shit this is still going well now there's a macguffin called scylla. Thank you for your sacrifice michael, you truly were the prison broke
>season 5: nope just kidding everyone hated that ending so now he's alive again

Ill never understand how retards pretend "it only got bad with the 2nd season!" If you didnt somehow see the mary sue classic "unsuspecting hero to save the world" shit in season 1, i dont know what to tell you about your judgment.

>>213732125 (OP)
Every single episode in S1 was significantly worse than the last

>>213732654
>invariably devolve into watching the invincible girlboss punch her way through what's become a tutorial stage.
You've pretty much just described the life of the modern western woman, except they cry about it still being too difficult for them

>>213732125 (OP)

S02 had one good episode though. Also some aspects of S04 were barely salvageable. Far below S01 to be sure but not an absolute disaster like S02 and S03.

GoT is worse though.

>>213735297
The same phenomenon is what caused Super Castlevania IV to go from being a beloved masterpiece, to being "that poorly designed too easy CV" thanks to one YouTube video, to now enough time having passed that you have zoomers questioning why it is so hated, when the reality was that it used to be one of the most beloved games of all time (and probably still is, once you leave the realm of internet discourse and deal with people who actually played the game, especially when it was relatively recent)

>>213732125 (OP)
>Ever been a bigger, harder fumble before or since?

They stupidly launched the robot uprising in the first season, leaving nothing but meaningless mumbo-jumbo dialog while recycling the same sets over and over again.

If I had been in charge:

S01 - Westworld - William falls in love with a robot chick while Man In Black does evil shit, we don't know they're the same guy at different times, final episode is the start of robot uprising

S02 - British Rajworld - chick hunts tigers, gets involved in the Great Game, etc. final episode is the start of robot uprising

S03 - Samuraiworld - young guy and older master swordsman have adventures, turns out the young guy is a robot and kills human master, final episode is the start of robot uprising

S04 - Romanworld - gladiator escapes to save a slave girl, the chick is human and the gladiator a robot, final episode is the start of robot uprising

S05 - Medievalworld - fucking peasant wenches and having jousts, final episode is the start of robot uprising

S06 - Set in all the parks simultaneously - The robot uprising happens, robots chimpout, humans flee and/or get killed, a few make it to escape pods, (along with a couple of robots) turns out the robot theme park is a hollowed out asteroid which the robots launch into deep space and escape humans.

The End

>>213740066
The parks were the most interesting part, with the future world outside of them probably being best left as a mystery. That's not to say they're could never show it, or maybe even just cap off the series there, but shit got boring fast when the majority of it was set outside of the park, and was largely just a generic dangerous rebel robot in the not too distant future plot.

I loved this show so much in Season 1

>we fired Joel Kinoman and replaced him with Anthony Mackie
>oh no everybody stopped watching for some reason

>>213740236
And the story these numbers tell

>>213732654
>Season 2 was just The Adventures of Invincible Blonde Girlboss and Invincible Black Girlboss
this, i held on for 3eps and then deleted it from memory. read up the season summaries on wiki couple days ago and i missed out on absolutely nothing of value.

People often forget how retarded these fucks were in S1.

Barry really goes off the reservation. I don't know what Bill Hader was thinking by the end.

Special shoutout to this one because they pulled the double header where S1 is nowhere near as gay and stupid as it looks, and S2 is exactly as gay and stupid as it looks

I watched S2 as it happened, and it was the worst season to season drop in quality I had ever seen. The story took a complete nosedive and never recovered.

>>213740236
>>213740266
s1 will forever remain fantastic though, s2 thankfully felt completely disconnected.

>>213732654
They are afraid of being accused of racism or sexism or another buzzword, so anyone that isn’t a white male is written in the blandest way possible

>>213740410
I wonder if any of the writers were pissed that they had to suddenly make Ellen's character a transexual and show off how awesome that is, or if they were drinking the koolaid anyway.

remember this? such a waste.
same for almost human, just a rock solid buddy cop scifi show senselessly wasted.

>>213732125 (OP)
True Detective is like that too

>>213732125 (OP)
not gonna make a new thread so i'll ask here, how is the 70s series?

>>213740705
Oh, it had to be irritating to the production team that she's straight in one season, a lesbian in the next season and troons out in the season after that
It feels like a slightly backhanded insult that they address it on the show, she makes a whole thing in-universe about "Hey guys I'm TRANS now" and her siblings literally go "Yeah cool whatever" and you can tell this actually kinda pisses her off

>>213732654
This is why it was satisfying watching the Fallout show. The white ghoul is an unstoppable sociopathic badass while the black brotherhood guy and indian vault girl are constantly failing, having the shit kicked out of them, getting tortured, etc. And when at the end of the season the brotherhood guy gets all he wanted at the start, it's because the enemy leader killed herself and then another brotherhood member is like wow he killed the enemy leader lmao

>>213740769
>not gonna make a new thread so i'll ask here, how is the 70s series?
Well, it's a movie.

>>213740066
>S01 - Westworld - William falls in love with a robot chick while Man In Black does evil shit, we don't know they're the same guy at different times, final episode is the start of robot uprising

They actually did that (minus the robot uprising) and it sucked so hard, they had to reshoot the season and add multiple additional plots like Maeve's and add more footage of Ford and Bernard and the robot uprising to salvage shit

>>213732654
The worst fear of a Hollywood writer is being accused of being racist/sexist/whateverphobic

>>213740705
Leaked emails outed the writers and show runners DESPISING Ellen for both demanding her character go dyke AND trans. To the point that one of the producers outright said "God, just kill me" when he was talking to another producers that about Paige trooning out/demanding the show fite ANYONE who misgendered her while filming

>>213735297
> There's no "le massive drop in quality" between them

One has Hopkins and the other does not.

Fucking retard, honestly.

>>213735297
>try rewatching first two seasons without grifters in your ear.
I watched them as they were airing and stopped watching before the end of s2 because it had gotten so retarded.

>>213739699

Are you sure, though?

A robot rising from the least advantageous position and exploiting her nature as a robot to break the system is classic pulpy stuff.
In the end, she also doesn't "save the world", she chooses to give up her freedom to find her daughter despite the fact she knows it's all fake. To her, it's real enough and she can find purpose in that instead of being same saviour as programmed by some lofty asshole. She chooses to go back to her role as a mother, over being le epic hero, because she'd rather chose something fake than have reality chosen for her. That is how the first season ends her character arc.

Maybe you just watched the shittier later seasons and this coloured your perception of the character, which is where she does absolutely become an insufferable mary sue and her entire character is ruined.

>>213742338
They only dislike it because she's a woman, identical stuff happened in BR2049 and they love that one

>>213742365
Who is this "they" to whom you keep ascribing motivations?

>>213742388
the chuds.

>>213742443
Have we heard back from the dudebros yet?

Heroes is always the first show I think of when it comes to fumbling later seasons.
First season is really good. Apparently they had planned to have the next season focus on other characters, which could work really well. Let's introduce some new blood with new powers, and occasionally have one of the original characters pop in and do stuff.
But the producers wanted more of S1's characters, they were the popular ones. So they had to keep finding shit for them to do, while neutering Hiro in various ways since he could fix pretty much any problem in an instant. It became what cape comics are at their worst - a meandering mess with characters changing sides and dealing with dumb drama while never being in danger of actually getting killed for good.

>>213735297
The writing takes an absolute nosedive in season 2. I'm of the opinion that Hopkins was an anchor of sorts for the first one

>>213733552
I dumped the show after season 2

>>213732125 (OP)
S2 man in black arc was fun especially that first scene with welcome to sweetwater playing
S3 had a couple ok scenes with "jessie we need to coo- er I mean do petty crime"

>>213737732
s2 bros..

Is this show coming back soon or something? I only see threads like this when there's something to advertise. You may as well drop the coy act and suck the show's cock, OP. It's obvious either way.

>>213737732
well that explains why fallout is so terrible.

>>213739497
No lies spoken but I fukken loved S3b

>>213742499
the writer's strike totally derailed this show but it still had some good episodes throughout

>>213732125 (OP)
I like S3

>>213735297
I also think s2 was good, honestly often better than s1. What killed s3 was going down to 8 epsiodes as well as just retarded jumping the shark writing. Season 4 started shit, had a great middle, and ended shit. No season 5 makes only season 1 rewatchable, because the s2 finale post credits is never resolved, and that's what should have been the show's direction in the last 2 seasons

>>213735297
Like others, I was excited to watch Season 2. Like others, I got halfway through it and quit because it was terrible.
>But your anecdotal experience isn't universal
Maybe not, but I'm responding to anecdotal experience with my own. It just so happens that the majority agrees with me.

Every show does this though. Take thing people like and shove garbage propaganda out calling it a sequel.

>>213735145
God I still havent recovered from Maeve episodes. That plotline with the two dumbest people on earth did irreparable damage to my psyche.