Thread 213744118

Why didn't Lex make like a thousand clones of superman instead of just 1

because Gunn wrote Lex and Gunn is a retarded pedophile

>>213744118 (OP)
Energy input required, superman is a walking solar battery it takes a lot of power to recreate him

>>213744118 (OP)
>Haha it's just like the boys where black noir is a clone of Homelander!

>>213744118 (OP)
If you see this film as a remake of Superman 4 then it makes sense.

>>213744118 (OP)
Because he hated superman and the clone. One clone was all he could stand

>>213744118 (OP)
Haven't watched the movie but Lex is a man consumed by hubris and would assume that just a single one of his creations is strong enough to destroy Superman.

Even lex knew that would be a terrible idea and that even just having TWO bizarros, would put him at risk of death by mutiny.

Lex is a genius. He only needed one; until he didn't.

People always focus on the clone but it seems like it should be more noteworthy that Lex can take any regular-ass preexisting human and make them *almost* as strong as Superman, clearly not a match but at least within the same order of magnitude

Why didn't he just do that to like ten goons, or even himself

>>213744281
Lex is smart enough to realize at best his odds are 50/50. He would, and does in the comics, stack the deck in his favor.

>>213744414
or just some better drones since he's going remote control them anyway. he can also create as much kryptonite as he wants.

>>213744414
there's always a downside to artifcially created superheroes. like it only has a 1/100 chance of the person living or staying sane

>>213744118 (OP)
Because he had one strand of hair.
If he kept cloning Ultraman, they'd get worse and worse.
He also hates him, and only wants him to destroy Superman.

>>213744583
Where did you get this information?

>>213744118 (OP)
>"I staged a war to have an excuse to kill Superman!"
>"No, I'm not gonna kill Superman now that he's in my interdimensional prison"
Gunn is just a bad writer

>>213744118 (OP)
Who cares, this movie sucks so much.

>>213745153
>I made a fucked up clone of Superman that I control completely
>now that I have access to great samples of his DNA I'm not gonna create an Army of automaton supermen and take over the galaxy

>>213744791
Is this ever established in the movie? Anyway he could have just use Ultraman to obtain more genetic material from Superman and retreat. Then create just ONE more clone and leave Superman with no chances of surviving
>He also hates him
He hates him so much he would rather sacrifice his chances of success he could have by creating a third Superman? And his hatred is not enough to stop him from creating a second Superman, but a third one is where he draws the line?

>>213744118 (OP)
He wants Superman gone not have thousand of him. But he isn’t done cloning.

>>213745292
>great samples of his DNA
It's 2025, all you need is one sample. He had literally zero reason to keep Superman alive. The entire premise of the movie is stupid.

Just watched this. Was hoping for at least something halfway decent and it was awful. I hate Gunn with a passion. Half the fucking movie is Superman curled up in a ball screaming or whimpering

>>213745153
He said he did want to kill him but the US government had some questions.

>>213744414
Lex doesnt make sense in the movie. He hates Superman yet owns a pocket fucking dimension where he stores hundreds (thousands?) of metahumans who are potentially stronger than Superman like element dude. Despite that technology making him the richest person on Earth above the law and governments, his master plan in the movie is to...buy cheap land in some brown third world country?

>>213744210
Where are all the charges? I don't see any.

>>213745544
Fucking lol

>>213745625
While a pocket dimension full of problems sound commercially viable

Maybe isn't, no real examples though

they wanted to clone STAS but skipped half of the bizarro plot so now there are a bunch of holes in Lex's logic

>>213744882
Trust the science dude.

>>213744118 (OP)
>Why didn't Lex make like a thousand clones of superman instead of just 1
low yield of the cloning process. get with the program.

>>213744414
You don't understand the basic concept of tactics. You're a retard who thinks of any simple action, performed by a character, as some sign to mark on a power level scale. Dragon Ball Z is great but its fandom fucking crippled the prospect of reasonably discussing the strength of fictional characters. If it helps, anime troon, what you're supposed to think with her beating Superman is
>Wow she's trying really fucking hard and he keeps overcoming every attempt she makes on him, but her skill and ability is impressive
not
>SUPERMAN HAS HUGE POWER LEVEL SAR SHE CANT DO THAT!

>>213744118 (OP)
In the comics, Luthor has made a lot of Superman clones. But never all at once.
>Bizarro
>Superboy
etc

Something always goes wrong

>entire world turns on Superman after seeing some random footage
>the hate comments online are left by...monkeys
>Lex is ruined by a daily mail article which the entire world reads 5 minutes after its posted
Gunn should stop trying with social commentary and stick with 80s playlists

>>213745852
>Lex is ruined by a daily mail article which the entire world reads 5 minutes after its posted
Vince McMahon's entire professional career was over the moment the story broke about him shitting on that woman's head with all of the text screenshots, kek. It does sometimes happen.

>>213745852
>autist sees one example, believes that is only example
No Man's Sky is the same scam as Star Citizen, anon. It's not a new game.

>>213745852
lmao you are as dumb as an indian 12 year old

>>213744414
Why wasn't she Mercy?

>>213745852
a lot of people wouldn't be too bothered by it "who cares if the guy who saves the world all the time has a harem to relieve his stress"
McMahon is a great example. Still has plenty of fans despite all the shit that has come out about him
>>213745880
Vince McMahon has a long history of misconduct allegations and he doesn't fly around the world saving people

>>213744118 (OP)
Luthor literally said there were complications and he was an imperfect, even dumber copy of Superman. Why would Luthor keep making more failures? Luthor normally makes the one Bizarro, and drops it, because his goal wasn't to create an inferior copy.

>>213746140
We like vince like we like trump

When they are shaving each other heads

>>213746379
For Luthor's portrayal to be comic accurate his hate boner has to be supreme

>>213746464
>third-world shitskin didn't pay attention to the film
checks out.

>>213745816
You’re coping and seething. Superman spends the entire movie getting his ass kicked and this brown bitch literally almost killed him. He was seconds away from suffocating. She has no reason to fear Superman and can clearly go toe to toe with him. Gunn’s Superman is weak and lucky to be alive after basically every fight. The other anon is right that it shouldn’t be hard to engineer a few more metahumans to overwhelm him.

>>213746486
I haven't watched it yet, I shilled this on faith alone because I love the character so fucking much

>>213746613
need for maximum effort right now. save your strength for Supergirl. If that bombs then Gunn is really in trouble.

>>213744437
Pretty sure that's exactly what he did, between the pocket universe, Metamorpho, the Engineer, the stuff with Boravia...

>>213745625
>his master plan in the movie is to...buy cheap land in some brown third world country?

No, that was just a side-benefit. His master plan was to kill Superman. He literally says as much in the climax. Lextopia or whatever would've been icing on the cake make from Superman's corpse.

>>213746819
So why doesn't kill Superman when he had the opportunity?

>Comic Lex
I want to rule the world and do whatever I want, I find Superman an offense to humanity and he's in my way of what is rightfully mine to achieve as a human with power
>Super 2025 Lex
REEEEEEEEEEEEE I HATE YOU SUPER POWER CHAD MAN REEEEEEEEEEE

I miss Jew Lex like you wouldn't believe...

>>213746909
The sentence on the top reads exactly like the one on the bottom

>>213746572
>Gunn’s Superman is weak

Gunn's Superman only gets knocked out once in a fight in the movie. In MoS, Superman gets knocked out twice.

Also, in MoS, Superman often struggled against single opponents who, while technologically advanced, do not have his powers and were not fully prepared to deal with him. Here, Superman is usually fighting multiple opponents, one of whom is a literal clone, all of whom are being directed by a genius who has spent three years obsessively coming up with ways to fight him.

Besides, both MoS and 2025 Superman are weak compared to Superman Returns, who could lift an entire island, laced with Kryptonite, into orbit and hurl it into space with enough force for it to reach escape velocity.

Y'know, as long as we're talking about power scaling or whatever. Pretty sure this is the single biggest strength feat out of any cinematic Superman. That must mean this is a better movie than MoS, right?

>>213746962
Bravo, Snyder

>>213746909
I know you haven't ACTUALLY read the comics.
But I hope you at least know that there are many iterations of Lex.

>>213744118 (OP)
>>213744264
There's like 4 Superman stories and one is Superman fights a clone.

>>213746981
Presentation is all, and in the new movie Superman is presented as a weak little bitch.

>>213746962
I don't but that doesn't mean the new one is good by proxy

>>213746836
>So why doesn't kill Superman when he had the opportunity?
Because it's not just enough to kill Superman, he has to have the world applaud him for doing so.

>>213746909
Yeah your take on comic Lex is totally wrong. Comic Lex is just as obsessive about killing Superman for the same reason as 2025 Lex, he just gets more "screentime" to pretend otherwise (including to himself).

>"If it had really mattered to you, Lex, you could've saved the world years ago."

>>213747066
>ecause it's not just enough to kill Superman
Seems contradictory, like a badly written movie.

>>213747044
>Presentation is all, and in the new movie Superman is presented as a weak little bitch.
And Henry Caville is a weak little bitch compared to Brandon Routhe Superman. Does that mean that Superman Returns is a better movie, and Routhe a better Superman, than Man of Steel or Henry Caville?

>>213747088
>Seems contradictory
Not contradictory, irrational. Which isn't a bad thing. Lex's hatred pretty much has to be irrational, because if it wasn't then you could make a rational argument about why Superman is good, actually, and he'd accept it, and then there's no Lex character.

Instead, Lex rants about how Superman is an inhuman alien who doesn't really care about people, while at the same time making plans that hinge on Superman being completely sincere about caring about humans, like threatening to and then actually killing a random street vendor who once shared about ten words with Superman.

Lex is pretty much the Platonic ideal of irrational hatred. He's like that guy who talks about lazy Mexicans who just sit around all day not working in one breath, and then in the next breath talks about how Mexicans are stealing American jobs, and is just incapable of seeing the contradiction.

"Superman doesn't care about people! Now please excuse me, I have to shoot a person in the head because it'll psychologically hurt Superman."

GOOO WANA BOO BONNA BANGY?

GOO BOO WOO GONNA GOO WANGY?

BOO GONNA GOO BONNA GANGY?

>>213744118 (OP)
He already hated having one Superman, having a second retard Superman was probably too much on its own.

>Lex has jealousy and a chip on his shoulder because Superman is an alien and he presents himself as this beacon of good, taking the spotlight from human achievements
>Throughout the film we see how the Green Lanterns exist and how Superman has knowledge of other intergalatic civilizations.
>We can assume that Lex also knows this.
>This apparent supergenius intellect decides to have an obsession with one alien that hasn't really done anything to him personally.
>Its especially dumb when you consider the fact that the people at the top already know about intelligent alien civilizations out in the galaxy
>All of this makes Lex seems like an utter retard, petty, and with weak motivations given that there are without a doubt countless civilizations smarter than him out there and he is just picking on Superman ultimately because the audience expects him to
This version of Lex is trash. Just another case of a character that we are supposed to assume is smart but acts like a retard.

Imagine being so fucking stupid that you think Lex is going to just kill Superman instead of breaking him.

>>213746909
comic lex is REEEEEEEEEEE incarnate.

>>213747340
All of this sounds extremely comics-accurate. Though that being said, this is a Superman who's been around for three years already, he's probably foiled a few of Lex's plots over the years.

But anyway, Lex is my absolute favorite kind of villain: Immense power, no sense of proportion, and utterly foucsed on a single small, petty goal.

>>213747391
I mean, he's pretty REEEEEEEE, but let's not just up and forget that Black Manta and Reverse Flash exist.

>>213747097
The problem is that the new movie on top of presenting Superman as a weak little bitch, it also looks fucking awful. Like, really bad. It almost feel like a low budget capeshit movie.

>>213747450
>All of this sounds extremely comics-accurate.
You mean the worsts parts of comics written by hacks and edited by even bigger hacks after countless poorly planned reboots?

>>213744235
As opposed to opening wormholes to pocket dimensions?

>>213744118 (OP)
Why didn't Lex just trap Clark in the pocket dimension and destroy any way to reopen it? Why didn't Lex find anything about Clark's childhood in the fortress of solitude? Why didn't superman react in any of the time it took lex to give the order for someone to type in a command to send to ultraman?

Anyone can nitpick a movie for children retard. Just shut your brain off and have fun.

>>213744118 (OP)
Because how is he going to give orders to multiple Supermen at the same time? I guess he could have cloned himself but he probably doesn't trust himself not to backstab him.

>>213747688
>Because how is he going to give orders to multiple Supermen at the same time
Oh if only there was a way he could have simplified those commands to just a letter and a number

>>213745799
>problem
ha ha

>>213747477
kek Black Manta is awesome. I think I like a well-written Lex more though. Beneath it all, there's just seething.
All of my favorite villains are petty assholes. Mysterio isn't a bad guy because of some tragic accident or anything, he's just a dude who really wants to rob banks. I can respect that.

>>213745292
But he hates Superman, why would he want to create more

>>213744118 (OP)
>why doesn't he make 1000 grugs all capable of killing him if they decided to
hmmmm

>>213744210
Gunn made a lot of edgy, offensive jokes about pedophilia but it's unlikely that he acted out anything to do with them.
You know, like how a lot of 4chan anons jokingly act like pedos but around 99% of them haven't done anything real or committed any crimes in that regard

>>213747881
He's also friends with convicted pedos, and threw a pedo theme party.

>thanks for watching him, bitch
I still can't believe it's real kek

>>213747793
Why did he create one in the first place?

>>213747979
Ask the writer

>>213747502
>it also looks fucking awful
Looks fine to me. The effects are a secondary concern. It's nice when they look good, but it's not necessary.

Do I believe for a second that any of the puppets in John Carpenter's The Thing are real, actual monsters? No. Does that mean that The Thing is a bad movie? No.

>>213747602
I mean the parts of the comics that contain Lex Luthor. All of what you posted is extremely accurate to Lex Luthor. He isn't rational. For fuck's sake his original motivation was that Superman, when he was Superboy, made him go bald.

Like, that is the kernel at the core of Lex Luthor as a character. You can update him as much as you like, change him from a mad scientist robbing banks to a corporate CEO trying to take over the world if you must...but the absolute core of Lex Luthor is out-of-proportion, all-consuming hatred for Superman for absolutely petty, irrational reasons.

He is not "cool". He can do and have and even say cool things, but at the end of the day, he's just someone who can't stand Superman, and that is his overriding character trait.

>>213747769
Black Manta's great because all the other people in the Legion of Doom are supervillains with all these complex schemes, and then there's Black Manta, who's basically got the personality of a serial killer.

Imagine having to sit next to him in the Legion of Doom headquarters. Imagine being Scarecrow, and you're sitting there, waiting for Lex to finish setting up his PowerPoint, and sitting next to you is this Black dude who just stares straight ahead with his hands flat on the table, smelling vaguely of fish. And you, idiot that you are, ask if he got up to anything over the weekend

And he slowly turns his head to face you, and then his eyes, and asks you, in complete monotone, "did you know that there are fish that you can completely gut, but when you put them in the water, they'll swim?"

"Oh," you respond. "That's, uh...that's real neat, Black Manta."

"I must kill the sea."

>>213747979
To kill Superman.

>>213747990
>Looks fine to me. The effects are a secondary concern. It's nice when they look good, but it's not necessary.
You've invalidated all your post, shill.

>>213748037
I'm sorry that I care more about story than spectacle, I guess?

>>213748056
See, that's the thing. It isn't just the spectacle that is awful in this shitty as movie. The only thing it should do well. Because nobody expect capeshit movies to have a good story, and this one certainly doesn't it. The story here sucks. Hard. Shit is full of holes. If i were to nitpick this movie i'd need a whole day.

>>213748019
>got killed by Superman instead
lex luthor super geenus everyone. guess he....shoulda made more than one

>>213748019
But he could do that literally any other way. Like the black hole, or the kryptonite

>>213748088
No one is going anywhere, unless you are rlm or another critic people here actually watch just go ahead critic it here god knows we love a good deconstruction post

>>213744118 (OP)
Are you seriously telling me the guy in the black suit is a clone of Superman? So they just blatantly copied The Boys?

>>213747769
>All of my favorite villains are petty assholes
My absolute favorite villain of all time is Unicron, who's backstory is basically:

>Wake up
>Realize that things other than you exist
>Be immensely offended at the fact that things other than you exist.
>Destroy everything, everywhere, in every reality. This takes, literally, forever.
>Finally be content at being the only thing to exist, you go to sleep.
>Wake up after a few eons, see that things other than you exist AGAIN.
>Because apparently, the first time 'round, you accidentally missed a few atoms, and somehow those propagated into a whole new multiverse
>Realize you have to destroy literally everything, everywhere, in every reality, AGAIN
>Realize it's going to take, literally, forever
>AGAIN
>Now you're not just offended, you're pissed off.

Like, it's such an indescribably petty motivation. He doesn't have some grand evil scheme, he's not questing after power, he doesn't even have Galactus' excuse of being hungry and maybe-possibly the seed to the next Big Bang. No, Unicron just hates EVERYTHING, for no reason.

>>213748138
The black hole that Superman can fly away from while only at a fraction of his normal power, or the kryptonite that no longer exists on Earth? Which one of those two, Anon?

>>213747757
But how can he designate those commands to multiple people from multiple angles at the same time? He'd have to state who he is commanding and the order. This begs the question of why he just didn't invent a device that can share his thoughts so he doesn't have to actually say the command which takes up time.

>>213748184
>No, Unicron just hates EVERYTHING, for no reason.
He really values solitude.

>>213744118 (OP)
The bulge is on point but why is the rest of the suit so fugly?

>>213744254
I feel like there was a lot of The Boys influence in the movie, with all metahumans worldbuilding and all

>>213744437
Yeah, make more Supermen who could one day realize they can kill you easily and don't have any moral code to check them back. Great plan.

>>213747088
>contradictory
You're just dumb.