>OH N-

>-ICE

>>213751218 (OP)
Historylet here. Honestly, why'd they do it?

>Brutus, my boy, weve got ourselves into a right jam here. Its colder than Hibernia.

real greaseball shit

>>213751276
he was making a move. they had to get it on

old money senators were pissed off this guy came along and brought peace reducing corruption

Remove Caesar from power, sure, but was it really necessary to hack away at him until only a leg was left?

>>213751276
his new laws cost them money/power and they didnt want him passing more of them, thats basically it

>>213751276
Caesar was a war hero and the common people loved him. He marched back to Rome and refused to disband his army (crossing the Rubicon), angering wealthy senators who would become conspirators in his assassination. Basically, a general is supposed to dissolve their army after a conflict, so Caesar ordering his army to march on Rome was essentially a declaration of war, threatening to upend their control on Rome. He also proposed a lot of reforms that tried to get rid of all the bullshit aristocratic privileges, such as forgiving debts, arguing that plebian control of land would greater benefit the Republic, which obviously pissed off moneylenders
>tl;dr populist champion of the people stepped on the toes of rich and powerful boogeymen

>>213751735
youre forgetting he didnt disband his army because the Senate was trying to arrest him on war crimes

>>213751735

Love how chuds always portray him as some benevolent leader who was just simply amazing and so nice and kind and doing all the best stuff for everyone unlike those evil pesky senators and aristocrats.

2000 year later and the propaganda is still working.

>>213751769
>pre-modern world
>war crimes

>>213751777
Obviously he wasn't some revolutionary like the Gracchi brothers, but it's absolutely true that he tried fixing some of the political abuse

>>213751798
call it what you want

>>213751777
he was quite benevolent, for a roman
he still genocided gallic tribes and enslaved hundreds of thousands just for the glory of conquest so hes not a good guy

>>213751777
It’s a historical fact that the plebs experienced a higher standard of living because of Caesar’s reforms and actions.

>>213751816
Well, the show protrayed him as very calculating and only doing things that would benefit him, regardless of what it was. That moment between him and Brutus when they were playing chess was an example of his "benevolent"

>>213751873
I prefer loveable rascal

>>213751982
now caligula was a rascal

>>213751735
>>213751777
Caesar had agreed to lay down his arms on the condition that he keep ONE of his legions. This almost happened until Cato the Younger blew it all up and demanded that Caesar give up everything and completely throw himself at the mercy of jealous political rivals. I blame him completely

>>213751873
they were pagans though so its morally ok to conquer enslave and throw the babies over the city walls

>>213751798
The Senate didn't literally charge him with genocide of the Usipetes and Tencteri, but here's some anime villain tier shit right here: Pompey, who actually egged Caesar on about kicking the shit out of Germanic tribes, called for his removal because the wars in Gaul "proved" that Caesar was too dangerous and if he didn't step down as a military leader, should face exile, or even execution
Basically, they made Caesar do the dirty work, then tried to take away all his power so he would be harmless. Caesar was fucked either way:
>comply and disband army = face trial, exiled, and probably die
>march on Rome to fight corruption = trigger civil war, probably die
>>213752121
tying Cato the Younger back to the wars in Gaul, he argued on the Senate floor that Caesar be given over to the Germanic tribes to stand before their laws

kino?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQEdME1NtBg&ab_channel=Exentine

>>213751218 (OP)
>queen of bithynia
He was probably used to being stabbed at that point

>>213752192
>Forgive defeated enemies and give them a second chance to join you
I feel like this is usually a winning strategy, even though it didn't work out for Caesar in the end

>>213751276
He upended centuries of oligarchic dominance and corruption over the course of a few years and surrounded himself with the senatorial upper class who had been the beneficiaries of the corruption. It was the sudden culmination of a slowly disintegrating democratic system.
it started with the government failing to stop the rich from completely monopolizing their real estate market, causing the vast majority to fall in to inescapable poverty over a few generations

>>213751218 (OP)
SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS

The Senate did nothing wrong

>>213752170
The other anon was right, Caesar just had to get it on. They were making a move.

>>213751873
>he still genocided gallic tribes and enslaved hundreds of thousands just for the glory of conquest so hes not a good guy
I just recently learned how fucking genocidal the romans were against germanic and whatever tribes. As a german I want some reperations from Italy

>>213752307
the senate was the tyrant.

>>213752243
>"Join with me in building a new Rome: a Rome that offers justice, peace, and land to all its citizens, not just a privileged few."
This right here already sealed his fate to a gank squad

>>213752302
Sounds very familiar to current times.

>>213752330
But Sheev loved democracy.

>>213752333
Good point, yeah. he should have been more cutthroat with the patricians

>series finale of the Roman Republic stars a guy named Caesar
>reboot series also stars a guy named Caesar
Is this a JoJo reference?

>all the post-caesar civil wars in the downfall of the republic where the most competent officer on the field is the fucking drunk retard mark anthony, and both sides just aimlessly build trenches and walls for 5 days until the enemy general sees his own reinforcements coming, doesn't know they're his, and kills himself on the spot

>>213752243
Fucking idiot.

>>213752330
I was just baiting but yeah, the Senate was effectively 600 petty kings acting to only protect the interests of their class instead of the whole nation.

I always think of that Patriot quote "why should I trade one tyrant ten thousand miles away for ten thousand tyrants one mile away?"

>season 3
>massive time skip
>its another story of removing corruption and carving a new beginning

>>213751276
Because Caesar was too good for his own good

>>213752322
the celts and germans kinda got their reparations already, when the western part of the roman empire collapsed and was looted

>>213752503
Season 3 is I, Claudius you historically illiterate faggot

>>213751218 (OP)
This show was almost kino if it wasn't for the 2 retarded soldiers with plot armor and supernatural ability to kill 100 of opponents single-handedly.

>>213752503
>spin-off set nearly 2,000 years in the future
>Jews still fighting them over money

>>213752539
lets not put kino like I, Claudius in the same league as Rome season 2. dickhead.

>>213752447
Well that was rude!

>>213751735
>>tl;dr populist champion of the people stepped on the toes of (((rich and powerful boogeymen))).

Tale as old as time.

>>213752539
I don't think you understand how long Augustus ruled.

>bro Caesar wouldve literally saved the republic
>was planning to march into Parthia
>would've gotten killed
>republic keeps going to shit

>>213752776
to be fair every single roman was eternally butthurt about parthia and wanted to invade it

>>213752738
Negro, I Claudius covers a large portion of Augustus' reign, and ALL of Tiberius and Caligula, and Claudius.

It covers a massive amount of history for how short the series actually is.

>>213752686
People like you are why jews still exist.

I consider Caesar to be the greatest statesman in human history mainly because on top of his already monumental achievements he had the good sense to handpick a worthy successor who was arguably even better than him. Most great men have failed this one test.

>>213752853
idk man he kinda just got lucky that agrippa was there to handle all the military shit

>>213752853
>a worthy successor who was arguably even better than him.
as an administrator yes.

>>213752837
Elaborate

>>213752875
Caesar was literally just about to give Octavian his military education when he got stabbed. Octavian just had the rare good sense to leave matters outside his expertise in the hands of people who actually knew what they were doing, instead of bumbling around fucking things up for appearance's sake.

>>213752881
He was smart enough to know what he did and what he didnt. He knew what was best for Rome and made it so.

>>213751276
because Caesar was constantly getting btfo by some gauls

>>213752883
They have been the enemy of humanity since pre history but your faggot ilk still think people should be friends with them and forgive their countless transgressions.

>>213751276
He was wasting money and resources on pointless wars. He was basically a proto-neocon

>>213751276
white culture is all about betrayal and greed

>>213753002
you know those senators whom caesar forgave weren't jewish right?

>>213753008
>wasting money
Fucking retard.

>>213753002
When the fuck did I say that exactly?

>>213751276
How can that be a mystery to you, when there have been at least two assassination attempts on the current american president. And constant moaning about him being a tyrant dictator who needs to be removed in the media?

>>213753008
>pointless wars
the Roman defence ethos is pretty much attack before they do. Carthage was no more and they needed a new project. Caesar knew this.

>>213753058
Chuddies will crash out about "DA JOOS" no matter the topic at hand, they always have to bring it back to that, they have nothing else going on

>>213753041
Its irrelevant who the enemy is.

>>213753085
So your argument is just that you should forgive nobody for anything ever? Always be vengeful?

>>213753058
>When the fuck did I say that exactly?
>>213752243
>>Forgive defeated enemies and give them a second chance to join you
>I feel like this is usually a winning strategy

>>213753141
No half measures. Augustus learned from Caesars misplaced compassion.

>>213752853
>The greatest statesman in human history
Lol and lmao augustus was 10 times the statesman as hinted in your own post. Ceasar got BTFO the second he stopped being a general and tried being a statesman.
>The good sense to handpick a worthy succesor
Ceasar just got sentimental and gifted some of his massive wealth to the unknown kid of the woman he loved. By all expectations octavianus was expected to live a life of safe luxury with his wealth and not much else. Ofc instead of buying a big villa Octavianus funded a big army and took the rebublic for himself, far surpassing everyones expectation of what that random kid was capable of. Augustus conquered Rome, it wasn't given to him by Caesar.
>>213752875
Another example of why Augustus was 10x the ruler compared to shitty ceasar: augustus sucked at military matters so he appoints the absolute top guy and hands him full control of his army no questions asked. Ceasar had to be away from rome so who does he appoint as his top politician with complete power? Mark fucking antony, the worst man he could have picked for that specific job. Ceasar only really had an eye for military talent and (like many romans) just assumed it would translate to other talents.

>>213753318
>Mark fucking antony, the worst man he could have picked for that specific job. Ceasar only really had an eye for military talent and (like many romans) just assumed it would translate to other talents.
To be fair, by all accounts Mark Anthony was very dignified and had great judgement while in a disciplined military setting, which is how Caesar knew him, it was only when he was outside of the regimental life that he turned in to an absolute lunatic and started drinking all day and having his men train lions to pull his chariot around town

>>213751276
Having watched a bunch of Historia Civilis I am now an expert. And I can confidently say he was basically asking for it. To be fair, the Senate basically dared him to coup them - so they're both retards that deserved each other.

Even though he won completely and was de facto absolute dictator for life (even though he wasn't supposed to be and often claimed he didn't want such) he couldn't stop antagonizing the optimates and general senate elite with insane stunts. He would make a literal golden throne for himself in the senate to emphasize he was breaking all Roman norms and was wrongful kingly lord over them. He would have his allied men do pretend to declare him King (a huge no no in Roman culture) rather than just consul and see if the public accepted it (they hated it). He would make official homage his massacre of fellow Roman citizens like they were enemy barbarians in celebration of himself, which disgusted everyone but his most ardent supporters. He would have massive tantrums about senators even vocally disagreeing with or disrespecting him in any way even though he always got his way in policy anyways, and would constantly bring it up. He would rule by fiat. In general he acted Joffrey from GoT even though he won and was supposed to be enjoying his life of victory lap, instead of the military backed consul for life he was.

The Senate, somewhat correctly, summarized he was out of control and drunk on power. So they decided to kill him in a gamble he was the head of the snake. They were ultimately wrong that his influence ended with him and payed the price.

>>213751276
they are jealous

>>213752322
they deserved it, look at Germans now

>>213751735
what burger revisionism is this? Caesar lost the support of the senate for pretty petty reasons, but he died because he also lost the support of many common romans, for daring to declare himself lifelong dictator. Bad past experiences had left romans paranoid about kings, and they weren't dumb enough to buy his cheap attempts to bypass the title by coining a new one. If anything, that pissed them off even more. Outing himself as a greedy tyrant was the chief cause of death, among other reasons.

FAKE
Caesar didnt kill himself, hes alive in a bunker in New Mexico

>>213753142
Btfo that cuck

>>213753037
true, in that whites betray other whites (because jews promise them riches)

>>213752243
Hey, at least Octavian took good note of that mistake.

>>213753141
So your argument is if someone tries to kill you, you should let them try again?

Would be really nice to see a series about Sulla cucking Marius.

>>213751777
>benevolent leader who was just simply amazing and so nice and kind and doing all the best stuff for everyone
All true

>>213752776
Fuck the republic

>>213753924
>Caesar lost the support of the senate for pretty petty reasons
holding multiple political offices is a pretty valid reason to be pissed off at someone and even those pricks in the Senate were right about this call
>he died because he also lost the support of many common romans, for daring to declare himself lifelong dictator
See that's where your wrong, pal. Caesar cleared public debts, gave out land, held games, commissioned public building projects, and plundered the fuck out of Gaul, which made Rome richer. Plebians and soldiers didn't give two shits about a golden throne, laurel crown, or a dictatorship (which Cicero recommended lasting 10 years)
After all, if the common people disliked Caesar so much for being an asshole, then why did his assassination spark a fucking civil war?

>>213754273
Are you a retarded Australian?

>>213754369
You don't seem how realize how immensely popular he was with commoners.
You are aware that a mob of Plebeians burned down the Senate House after Caesar's death, yes?

>>213751276
He was about to give much more power to the voter which in turn reduces the power of the senate.

>>213753976
yes

>>213753595
literally everything you said was wrong
>he acted like Joffrey
kek fucking zoomers

>>213754369
anon is right, he was a populist leader, the classes loved him. the senators killed him remember? not some faggot drunk who had no job.

>>213751218 (OP)
You can see the retracting tip on one of those rubber knives.

>>213754476
Answer the question i asked.

>>213754549
A rabbi sucked and cucked your tip.

>>213751943
The (((show))) is shitty antiroman propaganda

>>213751943
He was benevolent. Brutus should have been dead long before that.

>>213754273
>if the common people disliked Caesar so much for being an asshole, then why did his assassination spark a fucking civil war?
Why do you phrase that as if the common people rose up in arms to avenge him, when that's not remotely what happened? The war was a natural consequence to the power vacuum the dictator's death left behind, and I believe you know the belligerents.

>>213751276
Lot of Caesar apologists in this thread. The short answer is that he got too cocky. Appointing himself dictator for life after he spent 10 years saying he didn't want to be dictator for life was the last straw.

>>213752776
Why did the romans even bother attacking parthia when they got their asses kicked every single time?

>>213756033
In an insane world he was the sanest choice

>>213751276
He claimed to be a God.

>>213756285
Who didnt?

>>213756285
>kill Caesar because he's an egotistical megalomaniac who claims he's a god
>he gets deified and a temple is built to worship him, giving rise to the Imperial Cult
lol
lmao even

>>213751276
this >>213753595 plus the fact that his rise was, to use a rough modern parallel, was like when Hitler took power; you'd had a relatively liberal "parliament" type of government, and suddenly you had a dictator, and he couldn't stop flaunting it. So to defend the parliament (decentralized rule, elected officials etc, less dictatorial and authoritarian, although notably imperfect in rome), they killed him to defend the liberty of rome. It worked out until Augustus & Mark Anthony defeated the liberators, and so Rome became an absolute authoritarian society, although Augustus was more clever and made it far less obvious so that they wouldn't kill him

>>213756473
>implying the Roman Senate was a "liberal parliament" and not a rich, old boy's club of wealthy landowners with membership predicated on belonging to the aristocracy
>implying The Senate assassinated Caesar to "defend the liberty of Rome" instead of enforcing the status quo to protect their financial interests
>implying the Republic wasn't a dysfunctional cesspool

>>213756599
You ignored the part where i said "notably imperfect", financial self-interest was definitely a part of it, but I mean that's pretty much why this is the most famous person in all of roman history; because it marked a definite change from a somewhat liberal society into an entirely authoritarian one. But yes, the roman "liberal" society was corrupt and dysfunctional as shit

>>213751276
Its a long long fucking story. You need to watch Historia Civilis to really understand the answer but basically Caesar saved Rome, saved the economy, topped the corrupt elites, gave us the calendar, brought civilization to france england and turkey, and the senate was bigtime jellymad

>>213756473
Reminder this fuck is embarrassed to admit its Australian.

>>213751777
hi john green, eat any dick cereal recently?

>>213754369
An angry mob literally burned down the temple of jupiter optimus maximus after caesar was killed tonuse as his funeral pyre. He was insanely popular.

>>213756641
Did Bruce fuck your wife while wearing a centurion costume?

>>213756687
>>213756692
I havent commented on the content of the posts. I just want the vaccinated cock suck to admit what it is. Its too much of a coward to even do that though.

>>213751276
He was a national socialist. He wanted to put the people of italy first at the expense of foreigners and the oligarchs, so they killed him.
And he knew that he had to rule alone and weed out all the cancer for a while, but thank god he had Octavius to pick up the torch

>>213754041
be a bit more christian anon. people make mistakes and ask for forgiveness all the time

>>213758105
>be a cuck who forgives people trying to kill you.
Fuck off faggot. People treat you as badly as you allow them to.

>>213751777
>leftist simps for the ultra wealthy
why is this so common?

ITT history is beaten and raped and left to die in a ditch beside the road

>>213751218 (OP)
>DONT GO TO THE FORUM CAESAR
>CAESAR DONT GO TO THE FORUM
>ANTHONY YOU IDIOT PROTECT HIM

>>213751777
numquam eris femina

>>213751276
deep state didn't like him

>>213752434
Large scale combat before modern communications must have been a hoot.

>>213753077
>it's a sacrifice child or get sacrificed world, anthony
>and i'm the fucking carthaginian

>>213753078
>DA JOOS
shill detected

>>213758395
Jew detected*

>>213751218 (OP)
The senate was legally in right mostly
Ceaser was morally in the right mostly
The senate/ruling class was willing to fuck over the entire populace for their greed and while Ceaser was an ambitious man with some self serving motives, his rule would have been better for the most citizens

>>213753544
What Egyptian pusy does to a mf

>>213751276
he wasn't a good goy

>>213751276
They were cack faced cunnies

Why didn't Caesar use gunkata to defend himself?

>>213751276
It was a prank gone wrong

>>213751218 (OP)
How come Americans don't do this to their modern-day politicians?

>I killed Pompey for him. I thought Caesar would be happy. What's that guy's deal?!

>>213751218 (OP)
>What's with the knives? Are we having cake or something?
- Caesar's last words probably

>>213762309
>how are you going to prepare my salad with these knives?

Will we ever get another Caesar to defeat the Jews?

>>213762129
We do. Lincoln got popped, Roosevelt laughed off a stab wound, JFK got turned into Watermelon, and Trump Keanu Reeve'd it. Politicians are insanely protected by weapons and drones and shit. CEOs, on the other hand...

>>213751777
How jewish of you

>>213762536
My personal favorite was that guy who tried to shoot Jackson, and BOTH his pistols were duds, then Jackson proceeded to start beating the guy so fucking hard with his cane that a bunch of senators had to drag him off the guy.

>>213751276
Its explained well in the show. Idk the history.

In the show, Caesar was empowering a new guard at the expense of the old Oligarchs. The Old Oligarchs killed him.
Practical politics. They may not have understood that, but its the root cause.
What they didnt understand was the problems Caesar trying to reform around, which is what got them all killed.

>>213762683
I never understood why this nigga (or any nigga) surrendered. Like, your ass is going to get executed anyways. At least if you die in battle, or even a suicidal one man charge, you die with dignity.

>>213751218 (OP)
Not the first time Caesar got stabbed lmaos

>>213762129
Bring back duels.

>>213751218 (OP)
>Hey ouch that hurts!
Why didn't they stop?

>>213762915
Caesar was quite the woman

>>213756627
There were periods of the Roman Empire that were more liberal than the end days of the Roman Republic. You are so fucking cucked it's not even funny, historylet

>>213753062
trump is anti cesar

>>213751218 (OP)
>freeze-frame
>you're probably wondering how I got here
>'All Star' by Smash Mouth starts playing

>>213763309
I was clearly talking about the transition from republic to dictatorship under Julius Caesar, not the entire folliwng 1500 years of history you absolute moron

>>213752776
The defeat of Crassus was a one-trick pony.
The standard parthian battle strategy was a skirmishers and spearmen to hold the line, while their cataphracts hammered the flanks/rear.
Surena decided to act fast and only brought horse archers and cataphracts. It was a major fucking gamble that happened to pay off, and he was executed for it, as the king now saw him as a challenge to his rule.
Such tactics wasn't seen again until the huns 400 years later.

>>213762683
The whole scene is kind of super gay if you think about it.
>i throw my sword (dick) down, get naked, kneel while you look at my cock and balls and i kiss your dick i mean eagle held by another guy, all this while surrounded only by men who then cheer by raising their dicks i mean swords

>>213756473
>when Hitler took power; you'd had a relatively liberal "parliament" type of government, and suddenly you had a dictator
i'm sure Hitler was voted in for no reason at all
>The Institute was a non-profit foundation situated in Tiergarten, Berlin. It was the first sexology research center in the world.[1][2][3]
>Various endocrinologic and surgical services were offered, including an early modern sex reassignment surgery in 1931.[46][50][53]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissenschaft

>>213764548
>President Hindenburg reluctantly agreed to appoint Hitler as chancellor after the parliamentary elections of July and November 1932 had not resulted in the formation of a majority government – despite the fact that Hitler had been Hindenburg's opponent in the presidential election only 9 months earlier. The conservatives that helped to make him chancellor were convinced that they could control Hitler and "tame" the Nazi Party while setting the relevant impulses in the government themselves.
>The Night of the Long Knives was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany from 30 June to 2 July 1934. Chancellor Adolf Hitler, urged on by Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, ordered a series of political extrajudicial executions intended to consolidate his power.
They didn't "vote in" Hitler, retarded historylet. He tricked the politicians into letting him in pretending he was going to be a good boy. Then killed them all for believing him. He'd certainly have killed you to for not matching up to his perfect, ideal human.

I'd do my duty

>>213751218 (OP)
-othing ever happens

>>213751276
Bored

>>213751816
The gracchi brothers weren't revolutionaries either, Tiberius got bludgened to death for wanting to enforce existing land ownership laws, not even introducing any new ones.

>>213756599
Well it looks like the west has finally reached the same heights as rome then, we've speedran their 300 years of history in 30

>>213751276
they got double dogged dared by brutus

>>213753595
Thats not true at all. The republic was going thru 80 years of political turmoil. Generals marched on rome over a dozen times in that period. The people saw julius caesar as a stabalizing force. Initially Caesar just wanted to be remembered as the greatest consul of all time, which turned tonthe greatest dictator of all time as he racked up more and more victories. Rome would have been better off if caesar survived to hand things off to octavian peacefully instead of him having to fight another civil war to ensure it

>>213755272
>Why do you phrase that as if the common people rose up in arms to avenge him, when that's not remotely what happened?

The common men joined the pro-Cesarean army in droves.

>>213768056
>smoke
What were they smoking? genuine question

>>213768137
salvia

>>213768137
Cannabis/Hashish and especially Opium, were both available and opium was even quite popular in Rome. A lot of greek and roman medical texts focus on opium in fact. IIRC there is no direct reference to cannabis usage in Rome but it was definitely available and in use in the eastern parts of the Roman Empire. It's not inconceivable that you could get it in Rome.

>>213751276
Caesar was becoming too popular with the public and accumulating too much power which threatened both the wealthier families who controlled a lot of the Roman economy and even Caesar's own allies who were worried that Caesar was going to depose them if he aimed to make himself into another Sulla but with far more executive privileges. He also really fucked over Cassius Longinus for promotion (despite Cassius being a Pompey-supporter and Caesar let him retire after disobeying an order to join the African campaign against Cato instead of just executing him legally) so Cassius convinced his cousin Brutus to fuck Caesar over, and once Brutus' name was involved it became legitimized thanks to the namesake being attached to the founder of the Republic who deposed the Sabine King of the old Roman Kingdom.
So in a way it was a massive string of power struggles mixed with superstition that got Caesar killed and the Republic with it.

>>213752322
Gallic tribes were making a move, though, he had to get it on.

>>213768305
Also just expanding on my own post, but typically the Greeks and Romans didn't smoke out of a pipe or hookah or whatever, they would typically place the opium (and cannabis if they had it) in a brazier of coals and fumigate a whole room. I would wager that shit was very popular at orgies.

>>213751777
Meanwhile you buy merchandise from a brand flaunting the Jewish word for Nero. You don't even know which one I'm talking about. That's how fucking retarded and ill-equipped you are for a conversation of this caliber.

>>213768137
>What were they smoking? genuine question

Marijuana was originally developed in the Hindu Kush region and spread from there, the Romans would have been smoking hashish.

>>213769089
But Joe Rogan told me weed comes from an alien tribe that gifted it to Africa.

>>213751218 (OP)
>If I was there in the Curia Pompeia with Caesar, it wouldn't have gone down like that. There would've been a lot more blood on the Senate floor.

>>213769089
>Hindu Kush/Central Asia/Afghanistan is where opium, weed, AND epherdra are all basically from

What the fuck did God mean by this?

>>213764869
>mid quoting faggot.
>Hitler ran for the presidency in 1932 and was defeated by the incumbent Paul von Hindenburg, but achieved a strong showing of second place in both rounds. In July 1932, The Nazis Became The Largest Party In The Reichstag, Albeit Short Of An Absolute Majority. Traditionally, The Leader Of The Party Who Held The Most Seats In The Reichstag Was Appointed Chancellor. However, President von Hindenburg was hesitant to appoint Hitler. Following several backroom negotiations—which included industrialists, Hindenburg's son Oskar, former chancellor Franz von Papen, and Hitler – Hindenburg acquiesced and on 30 January 1933, he formally appointed Hitler as Germany's new chancellor. Although he was chancellor, Hitler was not yet an absolute dictator.

>>213752343
Just waiting for our Caesar tbqh

>>213764869
>He tricked the politicians into letting him in pretending he was going to be a good boy. Then killed them all for believing him
Extremely based and it's what should happen all around the world. Politicians don't deserve any better and a couple of non-retatded dictatorsworking in tandem could make the world better in under 5 years.

>>213752302
Honestly human history is so fucking funny. It's funny how a couple of rich twats can just do whatever they want with the country because the rest are sheep who don't realise they have the power. Or betray their fellow man for the privilege of being a government attack dog with no will of his own.

It's brutal how this is only the fifth in the top five Roman betrayals

Aurelian, Stilcho, and Atius deserved so much more

>>213771535
Caesar is #1

Octavian backstabbing Cicero is number 2

Narses betraying Belisarius is #3

>>213771792
nope
all were predictable

>>213772128
Betrayals arent ranked by predictability. They are ranked by how closely the two trusted in each other verses how thorough the betrayal was

>>213772294
lame
aurelian, atius, and stilcho were so much more tragic and disastrous for rome

>>213751218 (OP)
HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!!! 1!1!!1!1111!!1!!1!

>>213751276
He insulted them a little bit, he was a little out of order himself.

>>213751218 (OP)
That's it I'm reinstalling Rome total war. Still have the ost in my Playlist

>>213771535
>>213771792
Majorian has to be somewhere in the mix

>>213772566
who do you think is number 4?

>>213762129
Cool it with the anti-semitism.

>>213751218 (OP)
Why didn't he just punch them?

>>213751276

They feared that Caesar would be another Sulla and dismantle the Republic. Unfortunately, killing him merely paved the way for Augustus, who ACTUALLY dismantled the Republic.

>>213751777
caesar himself probably was but the problem is octavians legacy and his imperial cult which directly facilitated the later rise of christianity and the ruin of the classical world

>>213762847

Vercingetorix surrendered on the condition that Caesar spare his surviving men. Also he was kept as a prisoner for over five years before his execution.

He was actually much younger than depicted in the show, only around 30 at the time of his surrender.

>>213762847
His sacrifice spared his men, he did it to keep his people alive. He knew he was well and truly fucked, there was no winning and he gave it a bloody good go of trying but he failed and it's not worth the lives of all his people. The hope was that if they lived they could one day seek revenge.

>>213773118
>sameface
is this ai?

>>213773216
No but your post is.

>>213766993
>Tiberius got bludgened to death for wanting to enforce existing land ownership laws, not even introducing any new ones.
>Trump gets portrayed as a diabolical revolutionist for merely attempting to enforce existing immigration laws

I'm starting to see a pattern here.

>>213756599
>implying the Republic wasn't a dysfunctional cesspool

While that is true, Augustus didn't make it any better, and he set Rome up for failure in the long run (the endemic leadership problems that plagued Rome for the rest of its existence began to emerge within a generation of his death).

>>213758380
Based Frankposting anon

>>213756190
*annihilates your persian ass in your path*

>>213758183
Caesar was on the side of the ultra wealthy during the slave revolt of Spartacus, dumb chud.

>>213775501
>this 5'5 manlet walks up and slaps your qt redhead gf on the ass
WDYD?

>>213775501
Did frontline centurions ever use spears or did they mostly rely on the gladius for melees?

Playimg Expeditions Rome while having Rome on in the background is a trip. Especially if you have Pullo and Vorenus as your centurions.

>>213775947
they're Pilums not spears

>>213751276
He insulted 'em a little bit. Got a little out of order himself.

>>213757389
>He wanted to put the people of italy first at the expense of foreigners and the oligarchs
Thats totally wrong

Cast him.

>>213776056
why were Romans look rougher than Greeks

>>213776500
who says those are the same age?

>>213769084
Starbucks?

>>213751242
>AND HOT

>>213776500
>Greeks
>Gay as fuck
>Happy
>Romans
>Not gay
>Miserable

>>213776008
it is a spear

>>213776500
greeks were not serious guys which is why they were conquered

>>213778065
Greeks were such jokers

Et tu, Brutus?

>>213751276
He was a threat to their power.
Caesar’s biggest mistake was thinking he could simply buy or pardon their loyalty. He didn’t think they’d stoop so low as to accept his terms then immediately turn around and stab him. Augustus made sure not to repeat that mistake.

>>213753037
whatcha doin rabbi?

>>213775947
>Did frontline centurions ever use spears or did they mostly rely on the gladius for melees?

Pilums are javelins and as in the vid clip, the Romans would throw two of them while marching forward, then use their gladius (primarily a stabbing sword) to finish the job.

>>213769084
>Meanwhile you buy merchandise from a brand flaunting the Jewish word for Nero.

Amazon?

>>213751777
t.

This really was and forever will be the most interesting period in human history, it will never not astound me more kinos aren't made of it

>>213780878
Incel

>>213780878
>This really was and forever will be the most interesting period in human history
based 1933-1945 Germany

>>213772566
Fuck Ricimer

>>213780878
read "24 Hours in Ancient Rome - A Day in the Life of the People Who Lived There"
even the most average citizen is a disgruntled shitposter living in a cringekino society, ESPECIALLY when it comes to bathhouses
>I am surrounded by all kinds of noise because my lodgings overlook the baths. Conjure up in your imagination all the sounds that make you hate your own ears.
>Besides the natural loudmouths, imagine the skinny armpit-hair plucker, whose cries are shrill to draw people’s attention. He never stops, except when he’s doing his job and making someone else shriek for him. Now add the mingled cries of the drink peddler and the sausage seller, the pastry merchant and other vendors of hot fare, each pushing his products with his own particular yell.
>If you bring your own towel, he will pronounce it whiter than snow, though it be dirtier than a baby’s bib. As you run the toothed ivory over your balding scalp, he will claim you have coiffured yourself like Achilles. He will bring you the last cupful from the smoky wine jar, and wipe the sweat from your forehead. He praises everything, admires everything, patiently endures sufferings by the thousand until finally you have to ask him ‘Will you join me for dinner?’
One of the most kino stories recorded is about an attendant at a bathhouse who is angry about having to clean up piss and shit in the baths. One day, an obese woman comes in and he threatens to quit unless she pays her price of admission as three people

>>213783697
Now we have all of that, with a constant "background music" blaring in every single public establishment

>>213784532
It's just hilarious that ancient Romans were shitposting with graffiti and in personal and public correspondence to such a degree that even today we can read them and laugh our asses off
Ancient Sumerians usually only recorded boring transactions, except for that one exception about a guy who was such a cheap, greedy, fucking asshole that a clay tablet was made by one of his customers bitching about it
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complaint_tablet_to_Ea-n%C4%81%E1%B9%A3ir
So just think about it:
>be ancient Sumerian in 1750 BC
>be educated enough to be literate in the world's very first written language
>be one of the only human begins on the entire planet in a position of power to record your city's administrative and economic records
>go to a merchant to buy some copper
>he knowingly gives you shitty quality ignots
>go home, get a clay tablet, and etch your grievances on it
>"Fuck you Ea-nāṣir, your copper sucks, stop being a cheap bastard”
The funniest part of this though is that archaeologists found a few more of these customer complaint tablets in Ea-nāṣir's house; again, during a time when reading and writing was reserved for the utmost elite like scribes, priests, and the administrative elite, but the guy’s bad business practices were so extreme that even in a world where writing was rare and precious.
What a fucking prick

>>213752343
History doesn't repeat but it often rhymes

/tv/ hype made me finally watch Rome and it sucked. The show just glosses over the actually interesting historical tale of Caesar like it's nothing between long stretches of self-indulgent softcore pornography. I love Roman history and honestly found summary videos and documentaries more entertaining than HBO Rome.
Ciarin Hinds' portrayal is good but a little overrated, given how little space he had to actually shine. James Purefoy was given a lot more meat and was the notable performance in my books.
The showrunners clearly had some strong biases and wanted to paint an ugly picture of Roman society, just unnecessarily crass and juvenile.

The Vorenus and Pullo storylines are just ridiculously going in circles. It's a good thing it got canceled when it did

>>213752392
Yes, but check em

>>213785077
>just unnecessarily crass and juvenile
it's actually a great foil to Rome's sophisticated architectural engineering, political structure, and philosophical contributions
I guess one could say Romans worked hard and played hard
>build aqueducts, domed structures, and the Coliseum by day without modern machinery or advanced mathematics
>get shitfaced on wine telling dick jokes in a public bathtub while fucking all your neighbors in the ass

>>213785255
For me? It's taking a shit with your bros.

>>213785612
for me, it's lifting up my battle kilt to expose my ass and making fart noises to a group of passing Jewish pilgrims, which triggers a full-scale riot leading to 10,000 deaths

>>213784944
The best part about Ea-nasir is that his name is possibly the oldest proper Human name we know of for absolute certain. All because bro sold shitty copper and thought it was funny to keep all the complaints in his house.

>>213771535
Caesar is still number one

>>213786734
Caesar is number 1, but it wasnt Brutus's betrayal that was worse it was Decimus.

Decimus was such a good friend to caesar that caesar put him in his will and gave him cis alpine Gaul to govern. Decimus also drank with caesar the night before, and on the day of the assassination. Caesar wasnt going to go but Decimus made up an elaborate lie to convince caesar to go to the senate meeting that morning

>>213753141
>>213754041
Plenty of great Euro leaders that were magnanimous (and reaped the benefits from reciprocal loyalty)

>>213752776
>Implying Caesar wouldn't spam walls amd fortications to counter Parthians

>>213785077
>Romans were the best of the best! They did everything right all the time and never lost! They were super smart! At all times they were planning, strategizing, building, and killing their enemies! I want to only see them showing off their uber military might! They NEVER got naked and had deviant sexual relations! That's vile lies spread by jealous propogandists! If you show that, it's PORNOGRAPHY that is unfit to stain mine eyes! Only killing and tax meetings are interesting and worthwhile!
You dorks are always so funny

>>213751276
he had information that would lead to the arrest of Hilarius Clintonias

>>213787105
Probably his natural son, too

>>213787969
>historical themed series where historical events happen offscreen and are barely mentioned
I remember they cross the Rubicon and you don't get any impression of significance.
Atia is the main character, and she is a fanfic abomination whore queen that didn't exist, sucks up 60% of the airtime gossiping.

They should have been more honest and went 100% fanfic story with a Rome backdrop, I would have prefered that. The problem is that the original storytelling in HBO Rome is just awful, none of the characters had good arcs and the parallel between the nobility and the plebs was jarring, didn't mix well.

>>213751777
I've never seen any non-bait posting with this message. ceasar was obviously a tyrant that, along with others, like anthony, destroyed the roman republic, which probably was detrimental to rome.

>>213788483
Sulla destroyed the republic

>>213753595
The king shit was just justification. The real run down is that Caesar was stripping the old noble elites of their power, and just like today, when you upset the status quo of elites you end up dead.

The long story is Rome was in turmoil for decades before Caesar because all of the rich nobles were buying up all the land and having their slaves work on it. This restricted regular Roman citizens from work and living wages with an increasing wealth disparity year by year (sound familiar?). Caesar campaigned off this platform of supporting the common Roman citizen by introducing new opportunities and focusing on a meritocracy rather than relying on your family name and wealth. He even introduced Gallic elites, veterans of the war, and equestrians into the Senate, which many of the old members considered savages or low class and underserving of he honor (because up until that point, you had to have that wealth and lineage to even consider getting into the position of Senator). They killed Caesar because he was taking away their control, not just because he was pompous. Fact of the matter is, all those rich old fucks were all pompous anyways.

Common Romans loved Caesar. He also never celebrated the slaying of other Roman armies, all of his Triumphs were for defeating foreign armies. Caesar knew politics well and knew it was distasteful to even consider that. You definitely need to watch more Historia Civilis.

>>213751735
Caesar only marched on Rome because the Pompeians were trying to strip Caesar of his governership of Gaul and proconsul because they wanted to drag him through the courts and strip him of his honors under the context of committing massacres and plunders in Gaul.

Those two titles gave Caesar temporary legal immunity, similar to how an active US president cannot be criminally tried or prosecuted. Caesar did NOT want to march on Rome, cause a civil war, or even cause strife considering he lived through Sulla just a few decades prior.

>>213789162
>>213751735
Cont.
(Just wanted to provide context on the situation, you were mostly right)

Caesar was forced to march on Rome because Cato the Younger (the dumb fuck) refused an offer from Caesar to give up all but one of his legions and to give him governorship of Cisalpine Gaul to avoid being tried in court. Whether Caesar knew it or not (I'm sure he did considering he was well versed in history), a similar fate fell Scipio Africanus. Despite saving the Republic from Carthage, the Senators of that era stripped him of his legions, accused him of corruption and mismanaging funds, and similarly was tried the same way they were trying to get Caesar (funnily enough, by Cato the Elder).

They even went so far to set his trial date on the anniversary of his victory of Zama, the decisive victory over Hannibal and led to Rome winning the second Punic War. The people, similarly as they loved Caesar, supported Scipio far too much and his popularity saved him from being convicted for fear of a revolt. He then left Rome permanently and died in a small coastal town, vowing to never to return to Rome and wanted his body buried there than in the cesspool Rome had become.

>>213789000
good

>>213789861
That wasn’t a value judgement

Why did they portray Cicero like some weak, sniveling coward? I'd say I'm not particularly well versed in roman history either, but we did translate a lot of stuff about him in school for latin classes. I never pictured him anything like this

>>213790756
>Takes Latin classes
>Not versed in Roman history
Retard

>>213751777
We have him on a funny little pizza box.

Hitler isn't on a pizza box.

>>213790756
Cicero would actually be a great POV to have the definitive Republic to Empire long-term series, you can go before Sulla's and the Servile wars and meet all the main players really early on, then even get Octavian's basedness with a tragic twist.

What a kino time in history, nothing gets close. If you're a lorenerd and are into Tolkien or Warhammer 40k and have not studied this whole period you're missing out big time.