Thread 213756740

watch DEVS

Why?

It looks nice, but isn't really particularly good or interesting.

Did they see the crucifixion in ep 2?

I watch it for something else

>>213756740 (OP)
Overrated pseud garbage like everything that hack writes.

I finished station 11 first before this.

I watched the pilot and it was so self-contained [and not super interesting] that I didn't really have any interest in watching the rest of it.

>>213757116
Diaper midget!

I already did thoughever.

>>213756740 (OP)
is that mr. crust?

>>213756740 (OP)
its bad

>>213756740 (OP)
Real tired of seeing that bitch in everything. Her fluoride stare is worse than Sydney Sweeney's.

>>213756740 (OP)
Most unlikable female protagonist ever

>>213757116
That moment I found out she was supposed to be playing a boy. How did they think that would work? Just because she has short hair and is a little flat? Doesn't make any sense.

>>213760165
she was also awful in the new alien movie

>>213756740 (OP)
This shit didn't make any fucking sense. Their AI history prediction computer magically gets 100% fidelity because they changed it to "many worlds theory", which implies that not only do multiple parallel universes exist but somehow they instantly gained the ability to connect to those other universes AND access to the information they contain, AND somehow the ability to parse and and compile infinite data.

>>213758271
don't worry anon, i'm sure someone here other than you will watch that show some day

>>213758271
Much better show.

>>213761063
This is my understanding and I think it makes sense, more or less. When the machine is simulating the past it is fully deterministic (in this case in reverse: effect > cause) because the past has already happened and since it somehow has mapped the data of the entire universe it can just rewind every particle. When the machine is simulating the future, the many worlds theory applies because it hasn't happened yet. Each time the machine simulates the future it is showing one possible future. The most likely world it can calculate based on the current positions of all particles. It doesn't need to "parse and compile infinity" or "connect to other universes."
Lily was one of the few in the show in the unique position of actually seeing the projection of the future and she was the only one who actively made choices to undermine it. If Lily watches the future Lily doing (x) at a specific moment, Lily will do (y) at that moment. It doesn't matter if the machine accounts for Lily doing y upon seeing x. It's an infinite looping problem. WHATEVER it shows she will not do. The machine for all practical purposes is God, but no matter how godlike it is it can't solve for that so that's why it stopped projecting past that one decision. Once that decision has occurred, it should begin to make future simulations once again. But not before. Lily is not "special," anyone in Devs who viewed Deus's future simulation could have exercized free will to exist in a different world. They didn't because they were true believers and because even though many worlds is true, the machine is still incredibly accurate. 'Many worlds' or no, certain worlds are still going to be more likely than others. Note that Lily and Forest still died in basically exactly the same way. Lily's change didn't actually result in a different final outcome.

That should satisfy you since your issue was about the machine being able to handle infinity, because in the show it fails because of infinity.

>>213757116
I like tomboys but she just looks like a straight-up boy

>>213760013
>>213760165
I know the asian lead is easily the weakest part of the show. Honestly brings it down to a 7 instead of an 8/10

I watch for she.

>>213760650
It was meant to evoke Peter Pan, who was played by a petite adult woman on stage, making a sort of perfect young lad

>>213760013
I've literally never seen her in anything other than Alex Garland films and House of the Dragon.

>>213756813
Good sci-fi.

>>213760675
She wasn't in the new Alien film.

>>213756740 (OP)
Main female lead was fucking hideous

>>213764202
Do they make that anymore?

>>213764231
Kino

>>213764199
No Romulus? No Civil War?

Like all of Garland's stuff, it has immaculate vibes, with great set design, music and visuals. If you just enjoy it from that standpoint it's a good time, if you start scrutinizing it from a writing/acting standpoint, less so (other Garland projects have better acting but the lead in this one is pretty dodgy). Cailee and this guy were good though.

>>213764275
Civil War is an Alex Garland film and she was not in Romulus.

>Garland says he's retiring from directing and will just go back to writing
>already co-directed another film, Warfare, and is signed to direct an Elden Ring adaptation
So that retirement lasted about six minutes.

>>213764311
She ran around in her underwear for 1/4 of the film.

>>213764383
We're talking about Sonoya Mizuno.

>>213764275
>>213764383
Are you retarded?

>Asian lead in this speaks in a highly wavering quasi-American/Canadian accent
>Same actress speaks in a baffling quasi French/Chinese hybrid accent in HOTD
>Hear her speak in an interview
>She's bloody British, with a normal British accent
Well why didn't they just have her speak in that then?

>>213764178
makes sense

>>213763184
Wait that's XX? I'm not gay?

>>213765312
Cailee Spaeny, an adult woman, plays Lyndon in the series, a teenage boy.

why didn't nick offerman just make a copy of his simulated daughter and make a subroutine where she exists in real time and you can talk to her from the real world? in fact why didn't he make 1 trillion copies of the science team where they all tried to figure out how to print a human being from the simulation so they could make his daughter real?

>>213765356
It's somewhat convincing at a glance but her voice (even though she drops it a bit) and some of her facial features like her mouth give it away as a woman. Then she stands up and has a big fat ass.

>>213765775
>Then she stands up and has a big fat ass.
I don't think anyone in this thread is going to believe this unless you provide AMPLE evidence.

>>213756740 (OP)
I have a visceral hatred of Nick Offerman.

>>213766101
These 2 were the best duo on the show. The thing holding me back from ever doing a rewatch is the lead

>>213765684
>simulated
>real world
>real time
>make her real
>copies
lol

>>213756740 (OP)
this show sucked after the tension and suspicions go away when boyfriend dies. the spy shit was the only interesting part. their tech sperging at the company itself, dull af.

>>213766116
this scene is a good example of how one can behave in very retarded ways precisely because you have a very high IQ. lyndon literally got persuaded into suicide because of a hecking sick thought experiment

Has some in/cel/ made a video about this show recently? What's with all the treads?

>>213756740 (OP)
It was really boring but I still watched it because back then anything was enough to entertain me

>>213758271
Lori petty and David cross with a wandering shakespearean troupe in the post apocalypse.

>>213761108
I'm still in the beginning episodes but I loved station 11.

kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOr9XB5rtJE

>>213766939
the point with the computer is that it's so absolutely accurate and detailed that it's essentially the universe inside a little box. to believe otherwise means that you believe in souls, and if you believe in souls then you wouldn't believe the computer to work (how can a materialistic computer predict the machinations of the soul?).

>>213756740 (OP)
Is that the crust buster himself??

>>213767533
loved this scene, pretty much everything i remember of this show is the computer stuff and the rest is just a blur, but it makes no logical sense if you think about it. Garland chose a 1 second delay because it's short enough that you're carried by instinct more than reason, if you would extend it to like 10 seconds even normies wouldn't buy that they couldn't defy the prediction intentionally.

>>213768416
>Garland chose a 1 second delay because it's short enough that you're carried by instinct more than reason
Yeah exactly but that doesn't mean the scene doesn't make logical sense. I explained my view in the giant post towards the top of the thread

>>213768746
i agree but I don't think the psychology of the dev team is established as fanatic enough to seriously NEVER even think of trying out a basic experiment like "don't do what the machine tells you". Offerman not doing it makes sense, but the team was always demonstrated to be fairly normal smart techy guys, and that kind of personality has learned since childhood to experiment and test things out, otherwise they wouldn't be so brilliant.

as a unrelated sidenote, people never mention how absolutely insane the scanning technology is, when they scanned that animal skull (?) and it just could perfectly extract 100% of all existing physical data from it, which the computer then used to reconstruct the universe, but just imagine it being off by like 1000 atoms, the whole thing would fail. of course the computer is also totally absurd godtech but still

>>213766116
Ever since Picard I fucking hate this cunt. Fuck you Alison Pill. Enjoy being walled, bitch.

>>213756740 (OP)
I did and it was super cool. I definitely recommend it

>>213768920
>i agree but I don't think the psychology of the dev team is established as fanatic enough to seriously NEVER even think of trying out a basic experiment like "don't do what the machine tells you".
Yes, but they didn't. What was established was that rule for the team: "You're only allowed to simulate the past." That 1 second projection scene was a rare event for the "junior" members of the Devs team as they weren't constantly disobeying that rule. Katie, Forest, Lyndon and Stewart were the senior members and with the exception of Lyndon, all 3 of them were both looking into the future and were true believers so didn't contradict what they saw.
Also to be fair to them, since the machine was so accurate despite many worlds, falling in line with its predictions wouldn't have been difficult. As Forest says in the finale it doesn't feel forced. Despite having watched it play out he still just says and does the things he wants to in the moment. Rather it seems like in order to disobey there's actually an effort involved to not behave naturally.

>as a unrelated sidenote
Yeah that's right, that's how they explain how the machine works but I don't know if that makes any fucking sense at all? If you can scan a single object perfectly that means you can then extrapolate the entire universe from that object? Pretty early on I just accepted that the building sized machine somehow can handle all that data otherwise you're stuck on that question and cant think about all the other ideas in the show. Early on as well it's even brought up that they'd need a computer the size of the universe to simulate the universe and that's never really resolved. I don't get how switching to many worlds solves that data problem. If anything it makes no change to the size or you could argue it makes it infinitely worse.

>>213769413
She stood out like a sore thumb next to god tier tomboy mode Cailee, and even more androgynously styled Sonoya Mizuno mogged her pretty bad.

>girlboss defeats hard determinism
lmao

>>213761893
Huh. Neat

>>213769654
how is she a "girlboss"?

>>213756740 (OP)
I would but the ended it before it got good

>>213769732
because she could make choices in a deterministic universe

>>213769781
Anyone could make a choice, Forrest was delusional.

>>213769781
>>213769654
You're misunderstanding the show. It's not one or the other. Many-world's does not preclude determinism. The irl theory itself doesn't and it doesn't in the show either. In the many worlds interpretation, every possible world exists and all of them are deterministic

>>213769593
i forgot the part about senior staff and such, maybe you're right

and also the show is not scientifically accurate, even with godlike tech, like playing legos with galaxies, the things the computer can do is impossible. But it's fine, sci-fi doesn't have to be realistic, it's still good philosophically.
>If you can scan a single object perfectly that means you can then extrapolate the entire universe from that object?
in reality no. I think it's doubtful if you can do it even with all the information in the universe, but with only a section it's definitely impossible to analyze. If you can predict from a sample that a cosmic ray came from a certain angle with 300 joules energy and blew it up, it's not like you can predict whether it came from 1 or 2 lightyears away, an endstate can have many possible starting states associated with them.

>>213769445
based positive recommendation anon

>>213756740 (OP)
I did. I've watched Devs, Mare of Easttown, How it Ends, The Craft: Legacy, Vice, Priscilla and Alien: Romulus

>>213760650
When they referred to her as "he" I figured she was supposed to be an FtM. I had no clue they were trying to pass her off as male until I saw it in one of these threads.

>>213770610
would chuds have a problem with a female actress literally just playing a male character as opposed to it being a tranny character? that's not something you ever really see in media so I guess they probably haven't downloaded any opinion on it from their favorite youtubers yet

I did but I feel like the finale really blew the payoff that had been set up. The Nick Offerman stuff was fine but I hated how the Asian chick was magic and could break the rules because reasons.
It was also setting up some universe ending stuff and I felt like it could have gotten a lot more interesting, instead it was just whatever
All that said I think it's worth watching and several episodes are quite kino. The landing just doesn't quite land, many such cases.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpOrRfmj5OQ

>>213770499
kek. how was How it Ends?

>>213770731
Although I found the film unimpressive, I enjoyed the scenes shot in Los Angeles, especially those depicting its suburban areas. The landscape seemed inviting, as if it would make for an attractive place to reside.

>>213770730
The universe just blowing up is a more interesting ending than the Everett Interpretation taken to its final conclusions because...??
The finale we got was set up much earlier in the show. The ending you wanted to be paid off was set up in episode 6 of 8.
>but I hated how the Asian chick was magic and could break the rules
That's not what happened.

>>213770880
Why was she able to break prediction and cause a void in all future attempts then

>>213770876
Yeah the land isn't the problem with america lmao. It's a beautiful country geographically

>>213770916
see >>213761893 >>213769593 >>213769979

>>213770916
It did feel like chosen one magic bullshit but it's because of her Amazing Stubbornness or individuality or whatever. They "set it up" the whole series with everyone acting like she was super interesting and special after meeting her. But the actress just isn't selling that vibe at all so you never really believe it

>>213770499
and Civil War?

>>213770705
No idea what you're talking about. It was bad casting.

>>213760650
I thought it was a boy lol
turns out she cute!

>>213771274
Of course, and Civil War.

>>213764211
she was its protagonist

If they can simulate the entire universe and it's a 1:1 simulation, why the FUCK are they watching cavemen and shit instead of going literally anywhere else to see if there's life in other galaxies or habitable planets?

>>213771910
What particle on earth is being affected by a particle on another planet? Much less another solar system?

>>213770880
She literally could it makes no fucking sense the simulation should show what actions she would do even if she saw the simulation and chose to act in a different way, this was already given.

The short story Garland stole for this shit was far better simple as.

>>213756740 (OP)
I did and it's kind of shit, " I don't know, Timmy, being God is a big responsibility" was a better story that Garland just ripped off and enshitified.

>>213770916
Because she did the first thing literally anyone would do when encountered with a deterministic prediction machine. Watch a prediction and then do something different.

>>213772001
have you heard of this particle called a "photon"?

>>213770730
>I hated how the Asian chick was magic and could break the rules because reasons.

It wasn’t magic it was contrivance. Once the machine started predicting shit the characters involved followed all of the predictions, which only allowed people who wouldn’t break predictions near the machine. They let her in because the machine said they would.

The problem is observation changes things. Knowing what you will do will automatically change how you act in a situation.

>>213772797
You mean that thing that just bounces off things?

i just finished watching the final episode. i liked it
Remind me why the black guy killed them again?

>>213772906
nah, he's right, the concept falls apart when you think about the fact that earth isnt a closed system, and there's no way they're simulating entire universe. But its a show about Laplace's demon, its impossible to make it without it being inconsistent somewhere.

If photons just "bounced off things", your hand wouldnt feel warm when left under sunlight. Photons are pure energy, they routinely get absorbed and released.

>>213772906
If you go outside there will be a photon that has traveled 8 light minutes to "just bounce off" a predator which causes you to move all your muscles at a very high velocity.
>>213773056
they are simulating the entire universe, the computer is basically infinitely powerful, it's not realistic or even possible

>>213773131
>they are simulating the entire universe,
they did vaguely say something that sounded as if they were saying things are quantum entangled with their neighbors, so you can... extrapolate outward from that. So any photon that interacted with any particle that is in current Earth present would be accounted for, but it still wouldnt be the same as simulating the entire universe, cause that would be silly. Maybe it makes some sense.

>>213771686
>>213771274
>>213770499
And Bad Times at El Royale.

>>213773056
To put an end to the madness. And also payback for Lyndon.

>>213773497
i hope Moonface fired him, there's no way youre allowed to do that in workplace hierarchy at the end of the day and just go home.

>>213757116
>>213761893
>>213765356
LYNDON SEXOOO

>>213764293
The mental thufir hawatt.

>>213773056
>the concept falls apart when you think about the fact that earth isnt a closed system

As far as particles having measurable reactions with other particles it is.

>>213756740 (OP)
That show was such a load of pretentious horseshit, with a complete midwit conclusion.

>>213773831
youre so obviously wrong i wont waste time debating.

>>213774075
Nope. The thought experiment is about reactions between non-discrete particles.

>>213774649
so if an asteroid arrives from distant space and wipes the dinosaurs, there's no measurable reaction?
If Im watching the stars, and a photon from a distant star hits one of my cells in just the wrong way that it gets damaged and i get cancer, there's no measurable reaction?
just stop.
>The thought experiment is about reactions between non-discrete particles.
you dont even know what you just said.

>>213764178
The ancients must have found a young woman larping on stage in a tight minidress and tights so hot

Sometiiiiiiiiiiiimes the congregation takes the other side, an inquisition of familiar lies, a grave distraction from a quiet rite

>>213766101
What's the stupid bitch doing? What teenage boy does that ohmahgosh hand gesture?

>>213768416
1 second is doable and in-universe keeps the suspense and illusion so to say. After like 10 seconds the actions and whats on screen would start to diverge.

>>213764202
>Good Sci-fi
>Directed by Alex Garland
pick one.

>>213775346
Men was a work of visionary genius, long after the sun has burned out and the earth has cooled future extra terrestrial archeologists will consult their semioticians in a state of wonder

>>213774892
The point is the extra planetary particles are entries into an otherwise closed system and their behavior before reaching this planet can’t be extrapolated, as nothing we can detect would be acting upon them.

Now, instead of this inane hill you’re dying on, if the particles on earth can be tracked back to the big bang, then the rest of the universe could be simulated and predicted.

>>213775298
>1 second is doable and in-universe
Pill and beardman had already watched everything that could be projected forward.