Thread 213761103

Things that people keep getting wrong
I'll start: catching the snitch doesn't make the team immediately win

doesn't that literally happen in the movie though?

>>213761168
it gives u a boost of 150 points and the game ends at that point. but if the other team had 151 points and u had 0, they'd still win the match even if it ended cause of u grabbing the snitch.
makes no sense actually.

>>213761168
A snitch is worth 150 points or something

>>213761103 (OP)
No one gets that wrong.

also why is everything those kids do at school so incredibly dangerous
like i get they are wizards but what are they preparing them for?
does the world know about wizards?
are their wizard mercenaries in real world conflicts, cause they would kick ass
no i haven't seen any harry potter

>>213761244
>>213761244
>also why is everything those kids do at school so incredibly dangerous
its nietzschean, it goes against the western christian edos of safety and conformity, which has made us weak faggots. overly concerned with security, constant panics of anxiety.
wizards are the opposite, theyre not cowards, they do not fear anything really. they bend destiny to their own will. they're how humans are meant to be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaU8PD9P4ss

Friendly reminder that she claimed that she made it stupid on purpose because she hates men.

>>213761168
It's fucking dumb. Basically, catching the snitch ends the game, acting as a variable timer for the match. Then, it gives you a shit ton of fuck you points. Every regular goal gives your team 10 points whereas catching the snitch ends the game and gives your team 150 points immediately. It's so retarded that in the real-life recreations of the game they limit the amount of points the snitch is worth to 30, because any more than that trivializes the rest of the activity.

>>213761299
so what? shes right to make fun of men, most men obsessed with watching(important distinction) sports are pathetic.

>>213761244
>also why is everything those kids do at school so incredibly dangerous
Because you need stakes, also I guess as long as long as you don't die on the spot it's moderately simple to heal you with magic. I think in 2nd movie they regrow his whole arm bone within couple nights.
>like i get they are wizards but what are they preparing them for?
Nothing, the running joke is that Dumbledoor doesn't give a shit
>does the world know about wizards?
ehhh, technically no, but most wizards are actually muggle-born and their parents are informed, sooo...
>are their wizard mercenaries in real world conflicts, cause they would kick ass
nope, they let the Holocaust happen

>>213761103 (OP)
>catching the snitch doesn't make the team immediately win
I'm a like 99% that this happens in the book. Harry catches it in the first minute.

>>213761299
I'm totally fine with that.
Also for similar reason she made the magical coin system abnormally obtuse

>>213761317
>It's so retarded that in the real-life recreations of the game they limit the amount of points the snitch is worth to 30, because any more than that trivializes the rest of the activity.
No way, chat is this real?
Desu ne probably finding a snitch in a real game is much much easier and safer than finding it in lore

>Things that people keep getting wrong
>I'll start: catching the snitch doesn't make the team immediately win

The rules of Quidditch were blatantly written by someone who doesn't understand the first thing about sports

>>213761295
>>213761338
so what do wizards do after graduating from reality-bending, demon-slaying, "kill people with your mind" school
like do they just go back to the real world and get jobs?
no governments are concerned or aware of these super natural people?
wouldn't this change all of history?
or do you have to stay in magic world once you go there?
is Hogwarts an actual place you can fly a plane to?
why aren't these questions their own movie?

>>213761103 (OP)
Because Rowlings only played chess. Snitch = King.

>>213761649
they have wizard police to deal with wizard criminals.
watch the movies.

>>213761649
theres not a lot of them so it seems like you'd just be content like the amish are content in their own little civilization. humans would be dull and boring when you can conjure up whatever the fuck you want. their petty squabbles and drama is the last thing you'd want to waste your energy on.

DID U KNO THAT THE MONSTER ISNT FRANKESNTEIN
IT DOCTOR

>>213761103 (OP)
yes, it does, the snitch is worth 15x the points of a normal goal and no team is gonna lead 150 points, even absolute dogshit teams would just park the bus

>>213761649
A lot of that is mentioned in the books. For the movies you've just got to streamline a lot of exposition.
And its also a little inconsistent as the series develops since Rowling didn't start writing the books with an end game in mind.
Every time there is a new prime minister of the UK, or new Minister of magic, they go and introduce themselves to the muggle PM. Or if there's some happening that might become noticeable to the muggle world. I think its the beginning of half blood prince where the intro is from the perspective of the prime minister remembering how many time's he's seen Fudge over the years, and how he's secretly a little pleased that his career hasn't gone as bad as Fudge's.
Hogsmead is the only all wizard settlement in all of england. Everyone else lives in mixed communities and secret little enclaves. SIrius Black's house is in the middle of london.
Most wizards go off an get a wizard job. When you can just apparate or use the flue powder you don't need to worry about a commute.
And yes, hogwarts is a real place that exists on the map of the world, but you'd have a hard time flying a plane and landing there because its got all kind of protective charms that make it effectively invisible to muggles. Even powerful wizards can't get directly in or out of hogwarts.
For the most part wizards live among normal people, but they go off to work and maintain a mostly secret life.
But when Harry's mom and aunt petunia meet snape as a kid they had been warned his family was "weird."
And there are plenty of half blood and muggle born wizards at hogwarts that it implies there's a lot of cross pollination.
When harry goes into Sirius's childhood bedroom he's surprised that he has pinups of muggle chicks from muggle magazines pinned to his wall with unbreakable charms so his muggle hating parent's couldn't rip them off.

>>213762065
>no team is gonna lead 150 points, even absolute dogshit teams would just park the bus
Anon a big plot point of Goblet of Fire is that Fred and George get jewed out of a bet they made on the quiddich world cup with the head of magical sports Ludo Bagman.
They bet their life savings that Ireland will win, but Bulgaria will catch the snitch.
Ireland beats bulgaria's ass, and Krum goes after the snitch to end the game and keep them from being slaughtered.

>>213761103 (OP)
Nobody says that, but 99% of the time catching the snitch does win you the game.
Frankly Krum was retarded to catch it in the world cup final, even if his catchers were getting wrecked waiting to catch the snitch gave more chances for his team to win then doing it when they were over 150 points behind.
Maybe Krum did it for gambling winnings though

>>213762702
They were getting bodied, there wasn't going to be a comeback, just a more humiliating gap.

>>213762755
1% chance is still better than 0%
This was the world cup final, you always play to the end to win if you are a professional

>>213762780
He was a seeker. His job is to catch the snitch. He did. He is stated in universe to be one of the best seekers ever, I trust his judgement call over someone who hasn't read the books trying to be a contrarian retard on /tv/ about a fake sport.

>>213762966
I've read the books. I know the justification in the books is presented as correct, but if it were reality it wouldn't be.
Have you ever played on a sports team? You always play to win no matter how small the chance is.

>>213761649
>no governments are concerned or aware of these super natural people?
they were aware
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0HQ6u3vias
>goblin bank in the middle of fucking london
>they have tons of gold
>while average number of magic people born every year in england is 50 including people in non magic families
was it realistic for them to own such volume of gold?

>>213763112
>was it realistic for them to own such volume of gold?
OLD money.

>>213761376
IRL the Snitch is someone running around wearing yellow and you have to tackle them to the ground to catch them. I knew a guy in college who was the Snitch for the team. Since he wrestled in High School he kept injuring the nerds on team and eventually got kicked off.

>>213761103 (OP)
It ends the game so you should either catch it and win or you should not catch it at all
>in b4 that world cup where Krum catches it and loses
It has been a long time, what was the reason for it? Did the final scores affect your placement or something?

>>213761244
>but what are they preparing them for?

Some boring office job at the ministery, ironically...

>>213761376
>much easier and safer than finding it in lore
In the books and movies you're trying to track something the size of a gold ball on a football pitch with infinite vertical space while a bunch of people are running around witch clubs and cannon balls enchanted to try and shatter skulls.

Defence Against The Dark Arts class is basically the same as US school having school shooter drills

>>213761359
I thought the coin system was a reference to England's pre-decimal currency system that wasn't reformed until 1971?

>>213763892
>school shooter drills
kek, do americans really

>>213761299
Yeah, I am sure it wasn't her being a retard. If she hated men that much back then she wouldn't make every important character in the books a man

>>213761359
Kind of makes a little sense. You can't make change with it easily, so you have to actually think about every transaction. It's the kind of currency that people who act deliberately might invent.

>>213764015
I was going to refute this, but it's actually kinda true.
All of the women characters are basically just surrogate mothers for Harry. None of them have any political or institutional power.

>>213763892
Only if every kid at school had at least a glock and you'd be training shooting back at the guy

>>213764015
>If she hated men that much back then she wouldn't make every important character in the books a man
Let's analyze this
Important men in the book:
>Harry
I guess putting Hermione, her self-insert as MC would be too on the nose even for Rowling
>Dumbledoor
Something something sexism in the 90s, #justiceformcgonagall
>Voldemort
>Snape
>every DADA teacher
>Hagrid
>Sirius
>practically all Order of the Phoenix
fuck you're right

>>213764051
>You can't make change with it easily
Which is why it's completely unrealistic

>>213761299
i mean in her defense there are men thinking they're women harrassing her home so she has all the rights to feel that way

>>213764565
Anon is twisting the story up with the boogeymen that live in his head.
Rowling said her inspiration for Quiddich was the way her eyes would glaze over the moment a guy she was dating, or her ex husband, or dad, or most males in bongistan would start talking about football.
When she wrote quiddich she tried her best to capture that sense of confusion and general disinterest.

Well that's stypid. It's not a confusing game, it's just poorly designed.

>>213761215
It does make sense. Imagine if your team is overall weaker but has the better seeker, you'd want to get the snitch even if you lose, just to keep the point difference as small as possible. It's just a rule that doesn't really exist elsewhere but it makes sense.

>>213763008
You can't win if your team is leaking points. Not catching it may give you a chance of a comeback but also let's the other seeker a chance to catch the snitch. From his pov, the best possible thing to do is to catch the snitch and end the game ASAP.

>>213765208
Also didn't the bulgarian team have a player knocked out or something, so it was just going to keep getting worse.
My favorite part was the bulgarian cheerleaders being fucking sirens that nearly get every male in the audience to leap off the ledges to their doom to introduce the team.
I hope no one shows the Veela only fans.

>>213765048
points differences in matches doesnt really matter though, only thing that matters is winning. not closing the gap on a score.
sure this kind of thing is important to "sports speculators" or "sports tacticians" but to the team all that matters is victory. its black and white. simple. that snitch mechanism makes it all retarded.

>>213765361
Sure winning is what matters, but for the Bulgarians, that wasn't going to happen. They had a choice between losing the match and the snitch or losing the match but getting the snitch. They are just playing for honor at that point. The snitch mechanism is retarded but also quaint like most other things in the books.

its too many points. the fact that it ends the match is incentive enough, it should give 20-30 points tops. We know it doesnt insta win, but its too many points so its basically a win unless your team is getting humiliated

>>213763708
if i recall correctly, his team was getting crushed, so he preferred to end it on his terms and with him doing his job, than to drag the humiliation ritual further.

>>213761103 (OP)
the meta of this sport would quickly become, lets abandon the goals and get every single player on snitch chasing. also beat up the other snitch chaser. you can probably leave the goals completely open and let them keep scoring for 10 minutes and still win when ur whole hunting team finally catches it.

>>213763708
If getting the snitch determines who wins the match, what's the point of all the other players? It's different but the rules are consistent.

>>213765774
It's like saying football meta would become one guy with the ball and all team surrounding him

>>213765774
>leave your goal completely open so everyone can get in everyone's way chasing a ball they're not allowed to touch
Why isn't the meta of baseball the whole team standing on the mound with baseball bats?

>>213765991
if there was a rule
>when this guy scores a goal, its worth 15 goals
it would be, yes.

>>213761244
>also why is everything those kids do at school so incredibly dangerous
They're learning magic. Just think about how many kids take a chemistry class because of Breaking Bad and end up losing their eyebrows. Take those same kinda kids and give them a magic wand, and teach them a few simple spells. Madame Pomfrey probably sees most of the first years at one time or another for accidents with "engorgio".

>>213766025
somebody put this damn harry potter expert in his place, im tired of being made to look like a child by his expertise!

>>213761103 (OP)
Perhaps people wouldn't forget the minutiae of this setting if they weren't hopelessly embedded in the dullest franchise in the history of movie franchises. Seriously each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody?just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

>a-at least the books were good though
"No!"
The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King.

>>213765361
at least in the hogwards tournament the point difference did matter since they didnt count wins, only total points. it would be possible that hogwards goes to the final match with a hundred point lead against slytherin and in this case slytherin could lead 240-0 and gryffindor would still win if their seeker caught the snitch. the world cup play offs didnt work like this though, but total points did matter in earlier stages of the tournament

>>213761215
It makes sense as a form of conceding, which is what happened with Krum in the World Cup. He knew for certain that his own scorers would never catch up with the Irish so he simply ended it on his own terms.

>>213762548
>When harry goes into Sirius's childhood bedroom he's surprised that he has pinups of muggle chicks from muggle magazines pinned to his wall with unbreakable charms so his muggle hating parent's couldn't rip them off.
Kek

>>213763318
lol

>>213763904
Yes but she made it the opposite, in real life the subdivisions were easily divisible numbers like 12, but she used indivisble prime numbers.

>>213764368
That is the most American thing I have ever heard, and wish it was real.

>>213761103 (OP)
>they went out of their way to mention this so I am sure it will become a plot point at some point in the books
>it fucking doesn't

>>213761317
sounds like a sports rule a woman would make

>>213761103 (OP)
It kind of does. It scores like 150 points and ends the game. And canonically only like one quidditch game ever wasn't won by the snitch being caught

>>213761244
Because firstly: kids do stupidly dangerous shit anyway. It would happen regardless.
Secondly: wizards show a disregard for personal safety because the magic of the Harry Potter books operate on cartoon logic. Magic is essentially also toon powers. Except for dark magic, which counteracts magical toon power.

>>213766086
>The Clifford edition
The only canon chart

>>213766086
I'm glad you're here, pasta-kun

>>213766086
>"No!"
Gets me everytime.