Still the GOAT Superman

>lets his dad kill himself for no reason
my hero

>>213853463
You're a bit slow, his father feared he wasn't Ready, Which he wasn't. It took him.a.further 16 years to get ready.

>>213853463
Secondly, his father feared the government may try to get him, which they did, see the film's epilogue.

>>213852740 (OP)
> Still the GOAT Murderman

>>213853529

>>213853506
Is Ready his biological son?

>supershit vs auraman

>>213853463
Thirdly, Jonathan Kent hadn't read the Superman wiki, all he knew was he served as Guardian to a child who could solo Godzilla.
Imagine his fear and Horror, this child he was tasked by fate to raise could have been sent to conquer earth, so as far as he knew a Manchurian Candidate switch could be activated and Clark could become brightburn.

>>213852740 (OP)
GOOD MORNING, SAAR!

>>213852740 (OP)
>capeshit
Kys

>>213853598
>SISSYMAN 2025

LMAO

>>213853612

>>213853463
I like how the film explored how one might try to raise Superman to be a hero and not some uberfascist. I guess sacrificing yourself for others was as good a take as any.

>>213853653
>Muh box office

So anyways. Let me know when MOS gets a sequel instead of the one starring Batman

>>213853687

>>213853701
Oh Really, Irresponsible baboons waste investors money? I am shocked, I tell you, Shocked!

>>213853731
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frazx5zxScE

>>213853731

>>213853731
The man has superspeed. Whose to say he isn't spending a nanosecond contemplating the situation?

>>213853769

>>213853819
Snyder turned Superman into Dr Manhattan where he’s just detached from
humanity. Scene is just like when Dr Manhattan just stands there vacant as The Comedian kills the pregnant hooker

>>213853815
>>213853949
He isn't detached, he is feeling guilty.
BvS was all about Superman feeling guilty for everything. For things he did, for things he didn't do, for involving himself too much, for not involving himself enough, and so on. Not knowing exactly what to do.
The answer eventually being that yes, he is responsible even if it doesn't seem fair, and he needs to shoulder the responsibility for it. Because that's what men do. Even for unintended consequences.

>>213853612
Kek

>>213854026
That's even worse and proves that he/you doesn't understand the character.

>>213854080
How doesn't understand the character?
That shit is taken directly from comics like Superman: Peace on Earth, Superman: For Tomorrow, Final Crisis, and so on.

It shows that Superman, despite all his powers, can't be everywhere at once or do everything, and he can't control how others will perceive him, or what they will do because of him, and despite feeling like he should do more, because he's that empathic, he has to accept his own limitations.

>>213854026
Fact you Snyder fans have to go out of your way to justify this shit is why Snyder sucks as a director. If even gave a fuck about the character he would know people would not be ok with him standing their with blank look as a bunch people got blown to pieces

>>213852740 (OP)
What's he thinking about?

>>213854162
He didn't just stand there, he went about to rescue the people in the blast, but he still felt guilty over not being attentive enough, or fast enough.

>>213854139
>BvS was all about Superman feeling guilty for everything.
>How doesn't understand the character?
You're stupid, plain and simple. Supes comics aren't one long guilt trip. Why would snyder/you think that a guy who walks around with a sybol of hope on his chest spends every waking moment feeling guilt for shit that's not even his fault?

But anyway, snyder lost and doesn't have the franchise anymore. No one wants to see you bitching out on web platforms for years on end like a spoiled sport.

>>213854162
There's nothing to justiy, the scene is only cotnroversial if you're an absolute NPC. Besides, it's from BvS, a much worse movie than MoS.

>>213854227
> waaaaaaaaagh, why didn't Snyder make the same film we've seen a thousand times already

>>213854227
>a guy who walks around with a sybol of hope on his chest spends every waking moment feeling guilt for shit that's not even his fault?
Because he's an empathic person that cares about others wellbeing and tries to help everyone every waking moment? Even when he isn't capable of doing so?

>>213854277
From now on we'll stop calling him Murderman and call him Guiltman instead. Happy? How's Rebel Moon 3, 4, 5 and 6 going?

>>213852740 (OP)
Everything up to and including the first flight is good, then it quickly turns to crap after, culminating in the crap fest that is the final third. Also, I have no problem either with my invincible son or Zod's snapped neck.

Superman 2025 flopped so bad, it's having a hard time catching up with Superman Returns ticket sales.

>>213854390
Your point?

>>213854363
One can definitely argue that it goes overboard in the final third. One big problem I had with the entire Snyderverse is that for all of the destruction, all buildings look like stock CGI backgrounds. The fighting itself I have no complaints with, however. Snyder does action infinitely better than any other capeshit directors.

>>213854423
Superman flopped.

The fact that it can't even beat Man Of Steel's original box office number, shows that Gunn's run of DC Studios has been a complete failure.

>>213854162
Except he wasn't standing there looking 'blank'. His facial expression and body language conveys a complex mix of different emotions like regret, anger, frustration and how none of that needed to happen and that those people lost their lives needlessly. He can't put the people back together who got blown to bits. What's he supposed to do? Cry and scream? What do you think would have been a more appropriate reaction?

>>213854227
>>213854311
>noooo stop making superman feel bad for people he couldn't save, he should just be a one dimensional character, have a handsome grin plastered across his face 24/7 and spouting inane feel-good superhero dialogue like in cartoons for 5 year olds!

>>213854522
How does this redeem the Snyderverse?

>>213853731
I don't like Synderman but to say he has no emotion here is kinda stupid.

>>213854232
Only NPC is you Snyder faggots clearly shown you don’t know shit about Superman and only like MurderMan. Would pic related just stand their with blank look as a bunch of people died in front of him?

>>213854549
The Snyderverse became irredeemable when they course-corrected to make it more like Marvel.

>>213854594
Nigger the timeframe of that shot is entirely up to speculation when the man has superspeed. How hard is that to understand?

>>213854080
Fuck whatever you think the character should be. Just fuck it. Move on.

>>213854594

>>213854522
What does that have to do with snyder, whom they'll never hire again or ever use his universe ever again?

>>213854647
It's snyder who needs to move on. It's him directly and some of his workers making these threads.

>>213854626
Superman would’ve lost his shit and done something stupid like hang Luthor off top of a building. He always lets his emotions get the best of him and what Batman lectures him on. Batman is one with PTS and completely detached

Imagine paying to have memes made of your dead franchise character for 4chan HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>213854745
> Why isn't this like in my sunday morning cartoon show

>>213852740 (OP)
Undisputed

>>213854594
>>Murderman
You're now reminded Superman kills Zod in Superman 2.

>>213854733
Well maybe WB shouldn't have fired him and made him a martyr. The 5-movie plan would've already been done by now and there'd have been no endless Snyderverse campaign. But it seems corporations are obsessed with NOT giving paying customers what they want.

>>213854868
That piece of shit isn't a martyr.

>>213854549
It doesn't. After Snyder's exit in 2017, DCEU movies started going downhill starting with JOSStice League. The only reason Aquaman succeeded was because it followed Zack Snyder's Justice League, not JOSStice League. Plus no studio interference for Aquaman benefited James Wan. The only reason Joker succeeded because it was controversial at the time. But after that, when the DCEU became Marvel 2.0, a lot of DC movies started to flop. Birds Of Prey was a true sign of that.

Either way I don't care that the Snyderverse won't get restored. I just wanna see James Gunn fail because he's a pedophile.

>>213854594
You're a seething moron. You think James Gunn understands Superman better? Having him beat up throughout the entire movie and be treated like a beta male bitch? LOL You're retarded.

>>213854707
I don't care about Snyder or the Snyderverse. I'm just happy to see the pedoverse fail. You can cry about Snyder all you want, but Superman is a flop. LOL

>>213854886

>>213854868
>>213854886

>>213852740 (OP)
maybe if you're a tasteless, cultureless millennial/zoomer faggot who doesn't recognize it as a remake of the first two seminal christopher reeve movies

I don’t blame Cavill. He’s said he wanted to play more light hearted Superman and not Murderman. Only good thing about Whedon’s JL is his handling of Superman

>>213854963
kek

>>213852740 (OP)

>Both Reeve and Ruth versions existing in your path

It's so weird that people stan the objectively worst Superman. He and his movies were mocked endlessly when they came out.

I dunno, maybe this is like the Star Wars prequels and how when a bunch of kids grew up they were nostalgic for trash.

>>213855048
You're now reminded Muh Reeve Superman Murdered Zod.

>>213854951
>You're a seething moron. You think James Gunn understands Superman better? Having him beat up throughout the entire movie and be treated like a beta male bitch? LOL You're retarded.

As opposed to getting his ass kicked by Batman until he cries for his mommy then getting killed and hardly being in the JL movie because that would take away from Batman and we can’t have that

>tfw never liked the Reeves movies, Returns or the live action TV shows but liked the animated shows and the Snyder trilogy

>>213855057
Cavill remains undefeated.

>>213855093

>>213855117
Why do you jeets keep posting 7 KB jpgs? Is it the shitty internet connection?

>>213855117
>>213855117
We're addressing Man of Steel vs Sissy man 2025, anon, do stay on target.

>>213854951
>It doesn't.
I accept your concession. Didn't bother reading the rest of your essay.

>>213854390
I saw Superman Returns in theaters. 3 hours long and there's 2 good scenes in the entire movie. I was pissed.

>>213855200
You'll never take the trilogy from. And it will NEVER be topped.

>>213852740 (OP)
You guys are seriously closeted homosexuals, you dickride cavill and his shitty movie waaaaay too much. Taking aside the new movie not only cavill had the worts acting range but the worst movie objectively of all superman ones.

>>213855284
>all black and super serious
zack doesn't get the material he was trying to adapt. Glad he's gone.
>muh box office
Don't care. I don't pay the bills at warner bros.

>>213855195
Murderman couldn’t even handle Zod and his goons in a weakened state. Krypto would’ve made a chew toy out of all of them

>>213855368
Zod and his goons were supersoldiers bred for war. It took Clark all his childhood to adapt to Earth conditions while Zod mastered it in MINUTES. But kryptonian standards Clark was a dysgenic incel.

>>213855570
Joe El, a scientist, kicked Zod’s ass

>>213855623
He wasn't just a scientist, Jor El told Clark.to Test his limits! Because he did! He was out of pocket; he did things no other Kryptonian would.

>>213853598
>Snyder should have upped the blood deaths gore and violence

Batman vs Superman was dark but not enough gore and who ever casted this fucking bozo as Lex is out of their fucking mind why would they go ahead with this is beyond understanding
The people who casted this guy where on a mission to sabotage Snyders Superman and Avenger movies

Oh wait.....the guys name is Jesse EisenBERG
I already know who inserted this clown in the movie....(every fuckin time)

>>213855348
I'm not talking about the box office. I'm talking about conceptually it will never be topped. What Snyder made was a once in a lifetime magnum opus. Neither Gunn nor anyone that takes his seat after him will be able to create anything even close to the height that the Snyder trilogy elevated the material to.

And what do you mean by "understand the material?" Which VERSION of the source material? The comics have rebooted countless times with countless variations. People say "not my superman" or "snyder doesnt understand superman." Which one? Which of the countless comic, movie, and cartoon variations of Superman are we talking about here? Which one?

>>213855674
Is that all it takes for a scientist to best an elite soldier? To try? fucking LOL
>I'm not talking about the box office
Most of the thread is talking about box office
>conceptually it will never be topped.
what you really mean is no one else would ever be stupid enough to fuck over the franchise that badly.
>once in a lifetime
GOOD! Because that shit sucked.

>>213855713
> What Snyder made was a once in a lifetime magnum opus.

Imagine the new Superman movie but with young Cavill. It would have been perfect

>>213855955
Wacky Bollywood physics and overall ugliness ruined it. Give me Murderman.

>>213852740 (OP)
Yes

>>213855200
More like you couldn't debunk anything I said. Cry again pedo.

>>213855247
Agreed. No action scenes and no real villain to fight against? They expect us to sit for 3 hours to watch a boring movie, with Superman going up against Lex Luthor for the 4th time? As if they couldn't bring in Brainiac or Darkseid? Yeah, I was pissed too.

>>213852740 (OP)
You mean you weren't taken with Gunn's Retardoman who was beaten up constantly, saved by his cousins dog and was on the verge of being dumped by his mid girlfriend?
>BAIN OBER BAUN LEGS! I PUD ONE FUD IN FWONT OF DA UVVER LIK ALL MERCUNS!

>>213856129
Returns did more damage to the Superman brand than anything. People were excited for Superman’s return to the big screen after over 15 years. Finally had FX that could allow people to see Superman’s full powers and bring his supervillains to life. Instead was a three hour borefest where Superman did nothing but lift shit the entire movie. Singer promised the next one would be all Wrath of Khan but never got the chance thankfully. Reason we got MurderMan was because of Returns

>>213852740 (OP)
>>213853622
>>213853642
>>213854759
>>213855020
Gunnjeets get the wall.

>>213856129
>>213856308
Doesn't help Routh is a bad actor. He's legitimately CW tier. Seems like a nice guy but he was terrible.

Man of Steel was good. And despite "lackluster" popularity, I liked the other justice league stuff cool. They had a good thing going and it's dumb that they rebooted again.

I even liked the flash movie.

>>213855692
He was unironically a better Luthor than Nicholas Hoult. Even killing a jeet in cold blood couldn't redeem him.

>>213856129
These numbers are a fraud

Snyders versions are not for kids and they were not allowed into many theaters

The other movies on that list are all kids movies so there for more people were able to see them in theaters which inflates their sales numbers

Snyder's versions were the best but it lacked cursing and blood was minimized but at least people died

These other movies showed no blood and no real people died only monsters or sugested people with masks and what not died a sugestable death fuck that shit and fuck making kids movies you feel me

>>213856636
Nice r eddit spacing. Go back you faggot

>>213856129
Why did you skip this >>213855850 anon's post?

>>213854655
B-B-BUT BOOMERS LOVE THAT HE SMILES A-A-AND HE HAS THE RED UNDERPANTS
IT'S JUST LIKE THE COMICS(old, specifically the ones boomers like).
Old people should be ignored, pushed out of society once they reach 65, returned to the same legal class as children(but let them buy alcohol), and mocked whenever they voice some dogshit opinion.

Just the fact that MoS Clark traveled the world saving people and moving on, never asking for anything in return makes him a hero orders of magnitude above most

>>213857041
Why is blatant ageism of this magnitude allowed on 4channel in the year 2025?

Do people seriously only hype up Snyder's movies because of the "muh masculinity" meme? Man of Steel was a terrible movie. It didn't make me feel anything, it was grey and boring, just a soulless popcorn flick. It inherited zero of that Reeve Superman magic. Gunn's Superman is not perfect, he's not nearly as strong as he should be, but it definitely has the heart of Superman.

>>213857906
>It didn't make me feel anything
You talk like a fag.

>>213855142
>calls for his mommy while getting raped by Batman

We need a coomer Superman who watches tits through clothes all day and find inventive silver age ways to use his powers for sexual gratification

>>213857906
Reeve superman sucks

>>213857942
I watch movies to feel things. Excitement, sadness, joy, lust, fear, etc. That's the point of it, you're not watching moving pictures on the screen for the sake of watching moving pictures. So if the movie leaves me with no emotions, nothing to think about, it's a dogshit movie.

>>213857906
They’re all faggots that want Cavill to gape them. Fact they spam nothing but Cavill pics is blatant enough

>>213858009
That's basically Homelander

>>213852740 (OP)
>watch Man of Steel
>amazing fight scenes and heavy sci fin influence, great effects and visuals
>deep philosophy, Clark reading Plato’s the Republic which lines up with the Kryptonian society he learns about, realizes as a natural born raised on planet Earth among humans he has free will and is in control of his own destiny, is meant to help humans realize this as well hence the Christ parallels
>everything lines up with divine providence, his father insists he keeps himself a secret until the world is ready for him, which it becomes ready when Zod arrives and humans now have the context to understand that he is on their side and there to help, and indeed is the only one who can help, allowing him to establish himself as a defender of humanity and an icon of hope rather than just being a scary alien no one understands
>movie is impactful, spawns much discussion and is still remembered over a decade later

Meanwhile Gunn Superman
>looks like puke and vomit
>zero good action scenes
>zero emotional resonance or weight, everything feels like an inconsequential cartoon which is fine for a Saturday morning Justice League episode but not for a cinematic experience
>overall lame, forgettable, doesn’t have much to say and doesn’t leave much for discussion or thought after you leave the theater

This movie will go the way of Superman Returns and hardly anyone will remember it in 10 years. Yet they will still be bringing up Man of Steel. Consider that

>>213858227
>watch Batman & Robin
>amazing fight scenes and heavy comic book influence, great effects and visuals
>deep philosophy, Victor quoting Eugene O'Neill's The Iceman Cometh which lines up with the Gotham society, exploring themes of family dysfunction, the search for meaning in a seemingly meaningless world, and the destructive nature of addiction and self-delusion
>everything lines up with divine providence, Alfred’s wisdom urges Bruce to balance his dual life while keeping Gotham safe, which becomes critical when Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy threaten the city, showcasing Batman’s role as a protector who unites others to fight, establishing him as a symbol of resilience and camaraderie rather than a lone vigilante
>movie is impactful, spawns much discussion and is still remembered almost three decades later

Meanwhile Reeves Batman
>looks like puke and vomit
>zero good action scenes
>zero emotional resonance or weight, everything feels like an inconsequential cartoon which is fine for a Saturday morning Justice League episode but not for a cinematic experience
>overall lame, forgettable, doesn’t have much to say and doesn’t leave much for discussion or thought after you leave the theater

This movie will go the way of Batman (1966) and hardly anyone will remember it in 10 years. Yet they will still be bringing up Batman & Robin. Consider that

>>213853731
That's not even true, but I actually like Snyder's stoic Superman the most. That's what he should be. He can larp as a human as Clark Kent, but Kal-El is not human. He is effectively a god. An ubermansch. A superior being. Nothing should phase him. Gunn's whiny, manchild, overly emotional, weak as shit Superman is completely off-putting.

>>213858740
/thread

>>213852740 (OP)
Never was

>>213858740
>He can larp as a human as Clark Kent, but Kal-El is not human. He is effectively a god. An ubermansch
I know this is bait, but there are people who legitimately think so.

>>213858009
It's been done

>>213858768
Yes he is!!!

>>213858740
>He is effectively a god. An ubermansch. A superior being. Nothing should phase him
See >>213857979

>>213858794
But you see, he isn't human which is why Jonathan Kent in Man of Steel wanted Clark to be ready for whatever man he was destined to be, be he good or bad. Jonathan didn't know who Clark was or what he would become, but he asked that Clark not be forced into an ill prepared/destined choice.

>>213853653
DC had a good name before Snyder. TAS and animated movies, Arkham games, Nolan movies. Warner Bros studio also had a strong reputation at the time

In comparison, leading to Superman. DC has a bad name. Gotham Knights and Suicide Squad games, failed Snyderverse etc. Warner Bros has a bad reputation nowadays too.

>>213853701
Snyder verse is dead. Rebel moon franchise is dead.
Everything snyder touches dies

>>213858852
We're talking about Man of Steel, not Terrio's misgivings.

>>213858551
You thought you cooked. You thought you ate. Yet you’ve simply played right into my hand. Reeve’s Batman and Man of Steel are far more aligned with each other, where as Gunn Superman and Batman and Robin are much more in coherence with each other. Eternally BTFO.

Man of Steel is a terrible adaptation of Superman and a bad movie in general
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn3gaCdhzBI

>>213858905
Snyder's Superman is best Superman. Every image of Man of Steel can be lamented or framed as a work.of art.

>>213855093
Yeah, I thought everyone wanted it your way? Isn't that what you screechers and your critic friends told Hollywood? Superman, Star Wars, Transformers, Tomb Raider, ... What happened here?

>>213858852
Snyder Supeman when hit with kryptonite
>thinks about saving his mother
>doesnt hold it against Batman afterwards, trusts him to save his mom

Gunnjeet Superman when hit with kryptonite
>ooowie it hurts pls stop
>bargains and begs to be released
>p-p-please I will save your little orc baby :(((
>ahhhh mang I need the sun too can you make a minisun pleeease?
>constantly complains that he's "not at full strength" to justify getting jobbed

>>213858941
I disagree. Im not watching that shit, give me the highlights so i can debunk its validity.

>>213858941
>>213859001
The video mainly argues that Man of Steel fails at its premise, calling it hollow, overly stylized, unoriginal, and guilty of “destruction porn” that overshadows character depth. It claims Snyder’s direction is superficial, the story is just a rehash of old tropes, and the tone betrays Superman’s hopeful essence by being too dark and depressing. The critique also suggests that audiences disliked it because they expected a more lighthearted, Marvel-style film, and that its mixed reviews and divided fan response prove it was a failure.

Of course it’s completely WRONG. Man of Steel actually offers a fresh angle by treating Superman as a first-contact figure whose alien heritage forces humanity to confront what he represents. It’s the opposite of “unoriginal”, the rest of the critiques about what Superman is “supposed to be” automatically reveal this. The film is thematically rich, exploring identity, faith, and belonging, with Snyder’s visuals deliberately amplifying those struggles rather than just showing spectacle. While the large-scale destruction was controversial for Reddit manbabies, its purpose was to raise the stakes and ground Superman in a modern context where such battles would be catastrophic. It also helps to establish WHY Superman comes to value life and be more responsible with his power, because the true scale of destruction that he can achieve even on accident isn’t fully realized until he is forced to battle with those at his power level. The darker tone was an intentional reimagining, polarizing for fans who preferred a classic “boy scout” Superman, but meaningful for those who wanted depth and realism. It’s also a misrepresentation - there is plenty of hope throughout the film. The scene with Kal-El’s father narrating how he will guide humanity while he learns to fly is harrowing and incredibly whitepilling. It grossed over $670 million worldwide, the highest of any Superman film.

>>213858951
Product placement is soulless and is bad, idiot.

>>213858740
> He is effectively a god. An ubermansch. A superior being. Nothing should phase him.

So Doctor Manhattan

>>213859218
You sound like the type of moron that would look at pic related and go on and on how deep it is and make up an it that isn’t there

>>213854162
The fact you indians need it explaining to you.

>>213859578
Fuck you faggot ass retard

>>213859578
Au contraire. Snyder’s Man of Steel is a decidedly traditional hero’s journey steeped in Christian mythos, and dialectically opposed to post modernist garbage which fits typical comic book fare and Gunn to a T.

>oh my science! Is that someone making a movie that actually tries to take itself seriously and present some interesting themes to the audience, resulting in lots of post film discussion regarding the merits and nuance of its content? This isn’t my typical slop! Everything is supposed to be lighthearted and silly garbage that goes in one ear and out the other!!!

>>213859463
Manhattan is a realistic take on Superman. How quickly would a demigod get bored with saving eternally whiny, weak, annoying little humans? Imagine you're the only adult in a world of small children, shit would drive you nuts

How Gunn will ever recover?

>>213858941
I never realized before how retarded everyone in the movie is, godawful writing.

>>213856308
Murderman? Would you rather Zod kill an innocent family or the entire Earth? Superman Returns didn't damage the Superman brand, it was just a boring Superman film and their biggest mistake was bringing back Lex Luthor yet again, instead of a more powerful villain. Man Of Steel made Superman popular again, enough to the point where Henry Cavill is still people's favorite Superman. Gunn's Superman on the other hand did major damage to the Superman brand.

>>213856477
I don't think Routh was bad, I think the whole plot was bad and boring. Had Singer went in a more action heavy direction, more people would have loved it.

>>213856636
False. Numbers don't lie. Snyder's DC movies were a success. Unlike the Hamadaverse and Gunnverse era DC movies.

>>213857036
It wasn't a response to me. It was a response to another anon. But either way my response would have been: RT scores doesn't dictate success or failure. Box office does.

>>213859708
>dialectically opposed
And a perfect horseshoe, just like lefties putting in a minority in a movie to protect themselves from criticism just put the jesus in your film and bam instant party protection.

>>213859595
Nothing to explain, everyone knows he’s a hack

>>213859803
>non sequitur

What does that have to do with whether there is actual deep thematic weight present in the story? Man of Steel presents Kryptonian society as a society stripped of free will and free choice. Thus they were rendered soulless, and could not stop their own self destruction. Humans have the ability to follow a different path, and Kal-El embraces this and puts his life on the line to defend humanity because he is not solely bound to serving Krypton.

>>213859771
>bradon routh dunking on nu-perman

>>213858740
>He can larp as a human as Clark Kent, but Kal-El is not human. He is effectively a god. An ubermansch. A superior being. Nothing should phase him.
Why are pajeets like this?

>>213854830
Yeah and he didn't destroy an entire city in doing so.

>>213855020
Why do boomers and gen xers seethe when people don't like things they grew up with? You only the the Reeve movies because of nostalgia.,

Snyder fails at adapting The Watchmen because he only gets shit at the most superficial level. Fails again pushing the same Watchmen themes into Superman.

>>213855020
Why do boomers and gen xers seethe when people don't like the things they grew up with? You only like the Reeve movies because of nostalgia.

>>213855020
>>213860440
NTA, but i recently watched for the first time the Reeves films and the first two mogg all other Superman films easily

>>213860080
Why does that matter? The city gets destroyed in the comics and the cartoon too. People die. Where does this 100% no-scope speedrun pacifist shit come from? And why is that a deal breaker? Some people have to die to know what is at stake.

You call him Murderman but what about Zod and crew, how many deaths are they responsible for? How many thousands upon thousands of people died getting gravity slammed by the world engine?

>>213860542
>How many thousands upon thousands of people died getting gravity slammed by the world engine?
Why didn't Superman go stop the world engine that was in the middle of a major city, where every second it was on, thousands of people die?

>>213859806
bottom looks great

>>213854951
>Either way I don't care that the Snyderverse won't get restored. I just wanna see James Gunn fail because he's a pedophile.
Based

>>213852740 (OP)
>Still the GOAT Superman

>>213860542
>Let’s make out in the ashes of a ruined city while thousands of people are dead and dying

>>213860901
Is Zach Snyder a virgin? He has no idea how relationships work

>>213860901
>Superman hears all the people in pain, crying and dying all around him and just ignores it

>>213860701
He couldnt approach the world engine in the city because it was replicating the Kryptonian atmosphere, which negates all his powers. And regardless, once it got turned on, Supes only has a few seconds before it starts the gravity waves, slamming everyone.

>>213860901
>>213860923
>>213860926
Nitpicking, they just stopped the world engine and he was happy his girlfriend was still alive.

>>213860968
>Guiltman didn't try to save anyone because it looked like it would be too hard

I'd like him more if he had more time to develop, he is basically speedran in both mos & bvs while in the snyder cut he's dead for most of it, he clearly feels guilty over what happened during the fight with zod but we don't get to see him explain or cope over it in either film

>>213860968
>>213861017
And instead he went to the one in the middle of the ocean, leaving hundreds of thousands of people to die. Not very heroic.

>>213861017
Dude you are fucking retarded. Sure he could fly around real fast, but the inertia would splatter everybody. Not even the flash would be able to move fast enough to catch and move THAT many people in one go.

>>213860968
>replicating the Kryptonian atmosphere, which negates all his powers.
Stupid bullshit, its which sun he's under the dictates his powers, not some atmosphere

>>213861055
Get fucked retard. Nobody else could destroy the secondary unit except him. The main one was destroyed by the army

>>213852740 (OP)
Hi, my name is Ranjeet, and I really like Snyderverse.

Sarr, look at dis. Dis peak Superman, sarr. Der CGI is top quality. Better dan James Gunn Superman. Dat one look like der shit i always poop on der street.

Snyderverse Superman is dark and gritty tone, just like my skin. Wary nice and beautiful. You kennot conwince me James Gunn Superman better.

Please stop having fun and like der Snyderverse. Vee need do restore der Snyderverse.

James Gunn Superman kennot get a sequel, otherwise vee vill lose!!! T^T

>>213861083
Wow, so you admit you didnt watch the fucking movie. When he first surrenders to Zod, they take him inside the Kryptonian ship and the simulated Kryptonian atmosphere makes him cough blood.

Cavill is just Omni Man, not Superman

>>213861149
I did watch it, once (unfortunately) I was saying its bullshit as an idea, not that it didn't happen in the movie, I guess this is the reading comprehension of Snydertards.

>>213861078
>Not even the flash would be able to move fast enough to catch and move THAT many people in one go.
Now who's the retard

>>213861220
So you're just blatantly ignoring information presented in the movie?

>>213860968
>>213861119
>Sneederman couldn't destroy it but the army could
kek
>>213861149
>inside the Kryptonian ship
But the devices weren't inside the ship so that doesn't matter.

>>213861305
Why are you asking the same question that I just answered in my previous reply? You're not helping the reputation of Snydertards

Snyder is the Uwe Boll of capeshit. Just ass rapes brands. Will never forgive Boll for ruining Bloodrayne to the point they won’t make anymore games

>>213861352
I'm not gonna continue arguing over nitpicky bullshit. Say whatever you want but Snyder's trilogy is the greatest of all time. Nothing else comes close.

>>213859806
Robocop is very much a modern retelling of Jesus resurrection, so you're not wrong.

>>213861549
>Snyder's trilogy is the greatest of all time.
So great that they used The Flash movie to remove it from canon

>>213861654
Get fucked

>>213861630
Yup. Verhoeven called Robocop the American Jesus. Very backhanded European view of how violent Euros think the US is. He’s not wrong

>>213861630
Since you're too stupid to get it, the point is other directors can convey such things without being so heavy handed. Finishing Rebel Moon anytime soon?
>>213861689
Not an argument.

>>213861654
Sir you are not brahmin sarrs. Please show respect, you madarchod benchod basterd bitch. Poop in the designated street please.

>Reeve laughing in the background

>>213853506
So why did he slam a dude's truck into some telephone poles?

>>213852740 (OP)
No one has ever believed this.

>>213862444
Because he deser- WOW US INDIAN MEN ARE SO BLOODY FUCKING GAY. WE ARE COCK CRAZY!!!

>>213853598
Shits funny
Theres obviously some disease involved but it makes his dad sound like a sociopath

>>213857979
>loses a fight he didn't need to have
CavillSisters...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYdg1Y8S0N0
Which scene in Superjeet 2025 rivals the sovl of this?

>>213862984
Oh, the rip off scene of Iron Man

>>213858740
This red blooded American gets it

>>213854578
he's thinking about his morning shit

>>213863623
True!

he's the best looking superman but also the worst written

least heroic, most destructive

>>213863703
I prefer the crisis routh

>>213863623
>>213863660

Is it true new Superman is jewish? That’s just absurd lol

>>213852740 (OP)
Look at those eyelashes. I just want to press my lips against them.

>>213863718
yeah, he was originally written to be a jew, then american, and now jew again

>>213863718
>is it true that a jewish created jew superhero owned by a jew studio jewish?

I can actually name all the comics the Zack Snyder's DC movies were inspired by but i actually read the goddamn fucking comics.

All-Star Superman
Superman: For Tomorrow
Man of Steel
World of Krypton
Superman: Birthright
JLA: Rock of Ages
Final Crisis
The Death of Superman
Seven Soldiers of Victory
Legends
Superman: Peace on Earth
The Dark Knight Returns

So many.

>>213863845
You forgot superman vs the elite

>>213863718
he's celebrating Christmas

>>213863717
don't get my hope up, please

>>213863758
But faggots love Cavill Superman. How does that make sense?

>>213863861
Yeah, there were some of that.
Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum as well. The whole thing with the spear is taken straight out of it.

Snyder really love Morrison's work.

Man of Steel 2 WHEN. I was led to believe that Snyderverse will be restored. Should I stop waiting?

>>213864086
Never. But the sequel to James Gunn’s Superman will release in 2027!

>>213864086
>>213864182
It already had 2 sequels, actually.

>>213864281
Batfleck was so good, but the sequel was so bad. I still can't reconcile that.

>>213864019
> Morrison, who is teaming up with Mikel Janin to launch this July's Superman and the Authority, weighed in on decidedly more sinister portrayals of the Man of Steel, including alternate universe stories like Injustice during an exclusive interview with CBR. And unsurprisingly, Morrison is relatively unimpressed with the more violent depictions of Superman currently prevalent in various multimedia.

>"Dad-like figure looking out for us can be made authoritarian but I think that's a mistake," Morrison tells CBR. "I think the idea that Superman would react to the death of Lois Lane by becoming a tyrant is ridiculous; my mum and dad died and I didn't become a tyrant. If I can handle it, Superman can handle it."

The two most handsome men to ever live played Superman and Batman, respectively. And not many people alive today seem to even care about that fact...

>MoS gets no sequel despite having higher earnings
>Superman 2025 still gets a sequel despite underperforming internationally
Snydercucks can't catch a break. Life isn't fair for them.

>>213864371
Superman didn't become a tyrant because Lois died, he became a tyrant because he was brainwashed by Darkseid. Exactly the same it happened in Superman: The Animated Series.

>>213864470
It’s been explained to Snyder retards why this is the case but they can’t grasp anything besides muh box office. Muh inflation

>>213864371
Well here's the counterpoint, if you're an invincible god alien, why should he give a fuck? All these stories just operate on the assumption that Superman is going to use all his energy and time constantly saving people. Why are we human projecting that burden on him?

Also, how much good could he possibly do? It's one thing to save people from fires, but what about trying to save people by fixing society? Can Superman build roads super fast? How does Superman use his powers to fix a famine? How does he battle greed?

>>213852740 (OP)
Get a hobby, retard.

>>213864545
> Exactly the same it happened in Superman: The Animated Series

Series created by Timm who is a Batman guy and admired he didn’t understand Superman. That series? That been issue with Superman for a long time and why brand is garbage. Total mishandling of the character by Batman guys for years

I am really tired of this utterly mediocre shallow film being propped up as profound by nitwits.

>>213864470
BvS IS THE FUCKING SEQUEL YOU MINDLESS JEET.

>>213853771
>>213853771
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/image/TyI2oADzH-iJZrVWLzMDPQ/

>>213864601
Oh here we go. Moving the goal posts yet again. Now even the cartoon doesn't understand Superman. So which version of Superman is the correct version?

>>213864582
What is the desire to force this shit on Superman? There are plenty of Evil Superman characters like Omni Man or Homelander or ones lost touch with humanity, Dr Manhattan, or ones just don’t give a fuck anymore, Hancock.

>>213864659
That is not even up for debate. Tim made no secret of this

>>213854951
>The only reason Aquaman succeeded was because it followed Zack Snyder's Justice League, not JOSStice League
Aquaman came out in December 2018. ZSJL came out in March 2021.

The sheer amount of samefagging in these identical threads is staggering.

>>213854963
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/image/GOxFZkcRoR8Qxsl0lzDrWA/

>>213864659
> Now even the cartoon doesn't understand Superman.

>>213856129
Snyder had absolutely nothing to do with Aquaman, and the film is the most in-line with the MCU in style of all the DCEU projects. He had fuck all to do with Suicide Squad as well, any version of it.

Also laughing at how you somehow put Justice League 2017 in the "Hamadaverse", when he was put in charge of the DCEU in early 018, but somehow Aquaman from December 2018 is not under his tenure.

>>213864703
I'm not debating the validity of the cartoon. I'm saying that under the circumstance that even the cartoon was not true to the Superman character, then what specific piece of media portrayed the correct Superman? Which one? Which specific portrayal? Is it a comic? Which comic? By which writer?

>>213864704
ZSJL was being filmed in 2017, you fucking retarded jeet.

>>213864807
DC comics and films had this problem for a long time. Writer or director has success doing Batman let’s have him do Superman. WB tried to lure Burton to reboot Superman after his Batman success. Superman Lives. Then they did it with Nolan coming off the Dark Knight. Get people that actually like Superman instead just preferring to do Batman shit

>>213864938
So what version of Superman is the correct version?

>>213859965
Yup. LOL

>>213860883
Thank you.

>>213861153
You clearly didn't watch the movies.

>>213864704
Well duh. But the original version(ZSJL) was already being filmed while Aquaman was still being film. The reshoots (JOSStice League) happened way later, while Aquaman was still in production. Fans already knew that ZSJL existed, since JOSStice League was a disjointed mess. Of course the original version(before JOSStice League) wouldn't get released until 2021.

>>213864974
>>213864848
What the flying fuck has that got to do with the claim of "only reason Aquaman succeeded was because it followed Zack Snyder's Justice League"? You're talking about a movie that didn't come out and crediting it for people seeing Aquaman.

>>213864784
False.
>Of course, this doesn't mean Snyder's footprints aren't visible on Aquaman in any way. He collaborated with James Wan when introducing the character in Justice League to make sure he worked with the director's solo movie plans, giving us the first taste of Atlantis, the Atlanteans. He also cast Jason Momoa as Aquaman, Amber Heard as Mera, and Willem Dafoe as Vulko, although the latter's role was cut, along with a number of other Aquaman elements there were originally included in the Snyder Cut.

Source: https://screenrant.com/aquaman-movie-zack-snyder-producer-credit/

The MCU style of DC movies didn't start happening until JOSStice League and then went full steam ahead in Shazam once Hamada had full control. Also I didn't create the meme.

>>213865041
The point was, you English-as-a-2nd-language pajeet, Aquaman was part of the original DCEU lineup where stories were taken seriously.

>>213865041
Damn you're stupid. Zack Snyder and James Wan collaborated you moron. Therefore the story didn't stray from the original plan. ---> >>213865168

>>213864974
what does any of this have to do with Aquaman being successful? it was successful because it was a bright and colorful superhero adventure film with a charismatic actor as the lead, coming out at a prime time in December for a strong holiday run, and coming during the biggest period for comic book movies there has ever been or ever will be (2018-2019).

>>213865228
This still has absolutely nothing to do with what you claimed.

>>213864963
Are you fucking stupid? He's telling you to get people who know how to adapt the comics properly.

>>213865228
>this movie succeeded because...it followed a movie that no one saw until three years after it came out!

>>213865250
THERE. ARE. MULTIPLE. VARIATIONS. AND. PORTRAYALS. OF. SUPERMAN. IN. THE. COMICS.

WHICH. FUCKING. VERSION. IS. THE. "CORRECT." VERSION?

>>213865299
So you are stupid.

>>213865232
Read this and stop being a moron... ---> >>213865168

>>213865249
>>213865263
Triggered Gunn Cultist pedos with reading comprehension problems detected.

>>213864784
Tell that to James Wan.

>>213865263
>I'm a jeet that is too stupid to read wikipedia
Does the Jeet-ipedia not contain that valuable production information?

>>213865349
Why are you immediately defaulting to ranting about James Gunn instead of replying?
Your claim made no sense. It still makes no sense.

>>213865347
Which specific source material is the correct source material that "understands" Superman?

>>213865361
You claimed that Aquaman was a success because it "followed ZSJL", except that movie was not released til 2021. Audiences did not see it. They saw Justice League 2017. How can ZSJL therefore have played ANY role in Aquaman's success in 2018?

>>213865349
nigga shut the fuck up your Aussie troon faggot we all know you fuck little kids and either Disney or 4chan pays you to make these marketing threads all day everyday

like I said

>janitors if this is all you just let the website die and get a real job. accept it. it was fun while it lasted.

>>213865406
their default is to attribute literally anything good or successful to Snyder no matter how little sense it makes, they will not deviate from this

>>213865406
Because they were in PRODUCTION at the same period of fucking time.

You wanna actually know why, though? It's because american women love Jason Momoa. The lead actor is what made it cross $1B. Now stop fucking asking.

>>213865546
>Because they were in PRODUCTION at the same period
Which has absolutely nothing do to with what you claimed. No one went to see Aquaman because "Zack Snyder was in production on Justice League and then he wasn't and a different movie by Whedon came out". And don't get snippy, you made the stupid claim >>213854951

>>213865591
I already provided an alternate answer. It was Jason Momoa's star power that sold the movie, right at the peak of superhero movie popularity before fatigue set in.

If you lived in america, you'd already know that. But you live in India, so it's a genuine mystery to you.

>>213865883
Yes it's a total mystery to me, that's why I already explained that >>213865232
I never one asked why Aquaman was successful, I already know why it was, I was asking the person who claimed it was "only successful because it followed ZSJL" to explain how a movie no one saw somehow caused its success.

>>213864963
One not trying to make him more like Batman. Superman should always be the opposite of Batman. They are Night and Day

>>213866220
You say this but when they cross-over the comic feels the same shit, because it is written by the same writer.

>>213866220
Hmm. Interesting, i understand what you're saying, but can you give me an example of a specific portrayal that meets the correct criteria?

Just ONE single example that completely fits the criteria of the "real" Superman. Name one. Just one!

Gunnpedos....

>>213866220
>Superman should always be the opposite of Batman. They are Night and Day
So....like BvS?

>>213865378
My claim made perfect sense ---> >>213865168

>>213865413
False. If anyone loves fucking little kids, it's you Gunn Cultists who think Gunn's tweets are funny. Cry again pedo.

>>213854951
>>213864704
Aquaman succeeded because it was one of the few comic book movies to bring in a substantial female audience based on Jason Mamoa, was released in December(a popular movie going time), and had a cool underwater aesthetic that drew people in.

>>213866470
No one went to see Aquaman because "Zack Snyder was in production on Justice League and then wasn't". They went to see it because it was a colorful light hearted adventure flick with a cool protagonist.

This thread is 90% the same guy spamming the same shit.

>>213866544
It's snyder.

>>213866536
Snyder had hyped the character up for Wan. He did the heavy lifting, just like he did for Jenkins.

>>213866589
Kill yourself.

>>213866684
Cope Gunnjeet. Look how well AQ2 and WW2 did without Snyder retard wrangling DC.

The capeshit we all know and love

>>213866362
Superman not being this stoic, block of wood character. Superman should always have a big personality. Batman is the stoic one with no sense of humor. That’s the contrast between the two.

i love these threds. moar plz

>>213853612
LMAO

>>213866812
Read more comics, /co/cksucker. Superman is stoic and serious as fuck most of the time.

>>213866812
One. Specific. Example.

One.

>>213852740 (OP)
WOAT*

>>213866383
how well did it do in the box office?
>max original
oh

>>213866812
Is this Geoff Johns slop? Kys. Don't post here again.

>>213866939
Gunnpedos....we lost so hard

>>213866812
Oh i see what you're doing now. You're trying to gaslight me into accepting the Gunn version of Superman as "correct" by making false statements referencing source material that doesn't exist.

>>213866983
did they lose their sequel too?

>>213866999
Gunn's version is also bitch made soiboi that cries he has feelings to Lex. Complete humiliation ritual.

>>213867032
They never had one to begin with. This isn't Superman. It's just narcissist pedo rehashing GoTG agsin but with DC toy figures instead.

>>213852740 (OP)
Pic unrelated.

>>213866914
Again, Batman writers. Superman was always a wise from the start.

>>213867043
Does the Batman (2022) also count as a humiliation ritual?
>Can't solve riddles
>Can't solve crimes
>Walks around in plain sight
>Awkwardly crashes into a bridge
>Couldn't prevent anything
>Continues to be the dumbest person in the room through the end of the movie

>>213867306

>>213867306
Wise, yes. In his experienced state. Not wise cracking quip lord. Learn your source material Gunn

>>213867351

>>213864582
>Well here's the counterpoint, if you're an invincible god alien, why should he give a fuck? All these stories just operate on the assumption that Superman is going to use all his energy and time constantly saving people. Why are we human projecting that burden on him?
It's almost like that's the point of the type of portrayal people are advocating for. He could be anything but he chooses to be good.
Going back to the roots of the character it was a not-so-subtle fuck you to the way that the Nazis had co-opted the idea of the ubermensch. Captain America is a similar kind of deal. The ultimate man is here, and he's decided he wants to uplift people instead of lord over them.
The 'point', if there is one, is that he identifies with his humanity. Not in the sense of humans versus kryptonians, but in the sense of the vulnerability and fallibility inherent to all living things. He's a good person before he's a demigod, and he sees the latter as his ability to make good on the former. His powers make him super but they don't make him a hero, which is the core truth at the heart of the entire genre really.
I like some of the takes on evil superman but it's not as novel an observation as people seem to think it is. No shit if his moral compass was weaker or his humanity missing he'd be a menace, the point of the original character is that he rejects those.
Both MAWS and the 2025 film play a little metatextually with the idea that people in-universe just can't get past the idea that he has to have an angle. He's got to secretly be an evil superman just waiting for his moment.
>>213864681
Homelander is one I really liked, in as far as I watched The Boys anyway, because it really got into the idea that he was this fundamentally malformed, stunted person handed the persona. He's not 'evil' in the sense of cackling villany to spite the heroes, he's just a very sad husk of a man. He'd just be a sad case if he didn't have godlike powers and a head full of bad ideas.

>>213867306
You cannot be serious. So the only valid version of Superman are the pants-on-head retarded action comics from the 1930s, 40s, and 50s?

>>213866914
This is why I prefer Henry Cavill. He's the most comic-accurate Superman. I'm a big comic nerd.

>>213867472
Not only valid ones. Pic related is what Gunn based his versions off of

>>213867540
That's not Starlord.

YOU AND ME LEX

DANCE OFF

>>213867540
>what if Frank Miller but worse
Modern comic artists are such fucking hacks bros

Nolan and Burton were right, comics suck.

>>213867937
>modern

>>213852740 (OP)
Cavill is cursed by wannabe writers getting jobs by quotas

>>213858740

>>213853506
>You're a bit slow, his father feared he wasn't Ready, Which he wasn't. It took him.a.further 16 years to get ready.
This is retarded and so are you.

>>213866528
False. It succeeded because it's connected to the previous movies. Otherwise Aquaman 2 should have been a box office success under Gunn's take over.

>>213866536
False. If that were true, then Aquaman 2 should have made a billion as well. Try again.

>>213858740
Based

>>213867032
No we got b Vs S!

>>213869897
Snyder couldn’t even make a billion with Batman-Superman and Wonder Woman in the same movie.

>>213870657
Actually it just did when adjusted for inflation. Nice try pedo.

>>213870657

>>213853598
Has anyone actually found this gravestone?

>>213870823
So what’s Guardians of the Galaxy 2 adjusted for inflation? A movie with nothing but side characters made as much as a movie with Batman-Superman and Wonder Woman haha

>film featuring positive Christ imagery about hope and finding your place in the world
>hated by NPCs
>flick made by an unironic kiddy rapist filled with reddit quips and is, in the kiddy rapist director's own words, about accepting an "undocumented immigrant"
>loved by NPCs

>>213853463
the reasons given in the movie were retarded, yeah
I mean he constantly saving people using superpower by hiding his identity, why couldn't he do the same to his father
the writing is shit

>>213853463
Papa Kent telling Clark to not save him was peak "Moment women won't understand".
If you don't get all the meaning of this scene you out yourself as either a woman or a faggot.
Spoiler - it's not just about wanting Clark's secret to be preserved.
It is also about father telling his son that he is ready to become a man who must walk on his own.

>>213871094
You know cancelling him only gave DC the room to swoop in and hire him before he got un-cancelled, right? And with that he went from having limited room to move directing comic movies for a franchise to being in charge of an entire franchise.
If you do it again you're just going to make him even more powerful.

>>213871128
You’re faggot with gay pics of Cavill. Who fuck are you kidding

>>213853463

>>213852740 (OP)
The new Lois Lane is way hotter though, Snyder Lois aged like milk between all the DC films

>>213870823
>adjusted for inflation

>>213854951
Kek that’s a lot of cope

>>213871779
But don't forget to also not adjust for a completely different market between streaming, declining theatre attendance, a pretty bad time to be releasing a film about an American icon overseas and about a hundred other things.
I swear to god people obsessed with totals are just power scalers but for the movies instead of the characters in them.
>>213871724
And better than the time they cast a 22 year old to play her, in the version explicitly a five year timeskip after the first two Reeves films, where she has his five year old son.
Honestly baffling decision that one. She was fine, just horrendously miscast.

>Superman has always been political!
You're right. But I dont think you'd like the politics.

>>213852740 (OP)
Yep, Cavil was the best superman so far.