Thread 213854032

>It's bad because... Uh... Uhm... Well... Er...

>It just is!

collage art.

>>it’s bad because of the terrible writing, cgi, editing, and plot
FTFY, the costumes and sets were kino though

its gay

it would be a great movie without the kid movie parts
anakin should have started as a teenager desu

>>213855202
Name one thing wrong with the writing or the plot
>inb4 muh boring politics in le epic star wars
grow up nigga

very true OP but also
>the jedi are incompentant clowns
>they have superpowers that totally destroy canon like super speed
>entire jedi order gets destroyed by one sith and this disposable henchmen
>lightsaber duels between force user make zero sense
>the duels themselves are obviously glowstick dance routines were the parties involved are doing everything they can to avoid hurting each other
>a bunch more bullshit I'm not even gonna bother getting into

>>213854032 (OP)
i liked the prequels more than 4,5 and 6
evoks are one of the most retarded niggerfaggots

>>213855202
>t. faggot who never watched the prequels
I bet you haven't even watched the Plinkett reviews. You are just parroting nonsense spammed on this board.

>>213855364
First scene
>master, as a clairvoyant space wizard I’m able to detect that this is just a ruse and we’re being manipulated by who will become the emperor after a coup d'etat, so you, my fellow clairvoyant space wizard, detect this as well?
>no young moron I do not if I did this would be really hard to write so shut up and ignore that until you morph into Alec Guinness when you’re 45

>>213857385
>no young moron
got me good

>>213855326
>it would be a great movie without the kid movie parts

It's about 80% kid movie. Jar Jar and Little Annie are principal characters. Jar Jar is the protagonist of the set-piece battle, and the pod racing scene is centred on Annie. The opening scene on the TF station and the lightsaber duel with Maul are less childish, but the duel is intercut with the Jar Jar and Annie strands, so that not for one moment are you allowed to forget about those characters and their juvenile antics.

Lmfao, are all these star wars prequelfag seethe threads popping up because RLM posted a new Plinkett video?

>>213857385
>It's bad because of things i Imagined being in the movie
Why does all prequel criticism come down to this?

>>213854032 (OP)
>It's good because... Uh... Uhm... Well... Er...

>It just is!

>>213857742
Anon that’s literally the meaning of the first lines of dialogue. Everyone over 13 picked up on it instantly.

>>213857787
You mean
>it’s good because I watched it as a child and i liked being a child so saying it’s bad is attacking my childhood

>>213855326
It's a bad movie well before Anakin appears onscreen.

because they went to Tatooine, AGAIN, yet somehow forgot the water planet was called Alderaan.

>>213857917
I doubt they have the mental capacity to put it so eloquently

>>213857890
No? He has a vague bad feeling. He doesn't know everything that's about to happen. He doesn't know about Palpetine.
The idea that he knows this is just head canon.

>>213854032 (OP)
Watch the Chris Stuckman review.

>>213858079
He’s literally describing a “phantom menace” and asking a more experienced Jedi for help or verification of what he’s feeling, who shuts him the fuck down because the movies would be too hard to write if Jedi actually used their abilities for something other than pointless spectacle

>Phantom Menace

quite literally a reference to communism. i thought this was "too on the nose" when i was 12, now it's too subtle?

>>213857994
It’s more like they wouldn’t want to.

>>213854032 (OP)
i can still feel the palpable secondhand embarrassment that had me cringing in my seat the whole time as an 11 year old watching it on opening day . It just felt fucking wrong. The sterile robotic acting and line delivery. The dialog that was pure exposition and revealed nothing about the characters. Even the editing and sequencing of shots felt off. The way everything felt like it was happening just to get us to the next set piece. The ending battle on naboo taking place on a giant windows xp wallpaper. And then of course there's jar-jar, anakin, and the nonsensical politics - they blockade a planet to force a treaty to make the blockade legal? what? Even the pod race scene rang hollow to me because i saw it for what it was - filler - "oh we need an action set piece right about now" I despised everything about it.

>>213854032 (OP)
>>213855202
Yeah if it was going to be this shit -they should have just left it. Let the audience imagine this great heroic past that took place before the main story much more effective

>>213858437
What is Qui-gon supposed to do? Drop the super important mission from the Supreme Chancellor because Obi-wan has a bad feeling about something happening somewhere else? Or does he tell his student to focus on what they're actually doing.
We, the audience, know that Qui-gon's decision was ultimately wrong, but he doesn't. It's perfectly reasonable for him to act the way he does.

>>213858747
>What is Qui-gon supposed to do?

Not be an idiot. Thus, the prequels are an idiot plot.

>>213854032 (OP)
its bad because it is, retard. I saw it in the theater opening night and its still just as shitty as when I first saw it

>>213854032 (OP)
i still love this movie and always will, no matter how many fat retards with no taste call it bad

>>213858827
>still just as shit
shirely the film has re-released in HD several times over by now

>>213858864
god for you my young padawan. now. take this pack of killer clones on a suicide mission against those robots over there. I don't like the look on their faces and I won't suffer their gaze for one more second

naboo sucks and once they get to tatooine it's boring

>>213858778
Are you actually autistic?
Qui-gon doesn't know the plot of the film just because you do. I know it sounds idiotic when you insert your own knowledge about later events into Obi-wan's dialogue, but it isn't there in the actual film.

>>213858980
>the plot of the prequels is an idiot plot because they’re predicated on clairvoyant space wizards not using their powers because that would be to hard to write
>you’re autistic that’s weak theory of mind the characters don’t know the plot

Is this a reading comprehension issue? Or a general cognitive issue?

>>213856062
>>the jedi are incompentant clowns
true
>they have superpowers that totally destroy canon like super speed
the force opens the path to many possibilities
>entire jedi order gets destroyed by one sith and this disposable henchmen
it was the entire state that destroyed the jedi. Palpatine just made the order. pretty common in history if you ask me. jeck the wall of templars or the janissaries.
>lightsaber duels between force user make zero sense
it's combat anon.
>the duels themselves are obviously glowstick dance routines were the parties involved are doing everything they can to avoid hurting each other
blame PG-13 for that

Why doesn’t C-3PO ever once disclose to Luke, Leia or Han that he was built by Darth Vader as a child and has invaluable knowledge about his life
>inb4 some EU faggoty book said his OS updated and gave him amnesia!
Fucccck. Off

>>213855202
>cgi

Apart from Darth Maul being bisected, the CGI's actually held up pretty well.

>>213859794
...they erase his memory in Revenge of the Sith. it's clumsy as fuck but it's outright explained.

>>213859338
Do you think Jedi are supposed to have perfect knowledge of everything that happens in the future?
That's not how it works. Obi-wan did use his power. It simply didn't produce anything concrete enough for Qui-gon to act on.
That doesn't make Qui-gon an idiot. He only looks idiotic because you add knowledge to Obi-wan's premonision that isn't there in the film.

meesa poopoo stinks

>>213859899
>CGI's actually held up pretty well.

Nah. The gungan vs. trade fed battle looks a vidya cutscene now, probably because it all takes place in broad daylight, and Jar Jar is incongruent when he shares scene with real actors. You could say he's Jar-ring.

>>213860204
They’re supposed to reach out with their feelings. Not close themselves off. Contradicting one of the iconic lines of the OT in the second line of the prequels was a bad move and established the movies were an idiot plot.

>>213860216
the shadows look great, the cloth animation (Boss Nass) looks amazing.

the compositing in the OT looks like shit: hangar windows etc. WOBBLE on the frame. yet that's allowed to be "a product of its time" or even "charming", yet CGI "ages"?

>>213854032 (OP)
watch the RLM reviews

>>213857385
Have you paid attention to the movie at all? A minor but important plot point is how the Force is clouded and the Jedi can't see Jack diddly squat. AotC literally has Yoda going "we stumbled into some shit after a minor series of events, what the fuck is going on I can't see shit!"

>>213860264
He doesn't close himself off to the force, he choses to focus on the moment - 'the living Force.'
Again, what is he supposed to do? Figure out based on Obi-wan having a bad feeling that some senator is secretly a member of a dead religion and trying to take over the universe? Or do you have a headcanon that Qui-gon had drastically better clairvoyance that'd tell him all of this, which he just chooses not to use for no reason?

>>213859905
>they erase his memory in Revenge of the Sith
That is so fucking stupid. The whole thing is, C-3PO's inclusion is just so Gen Xers would soiface at the screen. George could have said "fuck you, he just didn't feel like talking about young Vader." and that'd be just as valid to Startards

>>213854032 (OP)
Mr. Plinkett causing seethe over a decade later. Mr. Plinkett more relevant than fucking STAR WARS MOVIES. Mr. Plinkett mogs forever and ever. OP is a faggot etc

Describe Amidala's character without bringing up her appearance, what she does in the film, or her title

>>213860736
Her people are starving (off screen)

>>213860736
That's not Amidala.

>>213854032 (OP)
Had a lot of early 2000s weirdness, but for its time it was not even that far out there. Flubber came out 2 years before, but most people don't remember those movies, just this one.

>>213860736
She's concerned with the well being of her people. She's proactive, and willing to get her hands dirty rather than stay behind in safety. She also likes young boys.

>>213860545
Focusing and reaching out are opposites.

>>213860501
At best this read changes the meaning to “yeah I know the force is clouded we’re all just going to ignore that like it’s normal”

>>213859696
not even a state as shitty as ohio would be enough to destroy an entire cult of guys who refuse to touch pussy and spam force speed

>TUGH TUGH TUGH TUGH TUGH TUGH

How anyone can say TPM is bad when it has the podrace scene is beyond me

Why wasn't Kiera Knightly the decoy who died at the beginning of AotC?

>>213854032 (OP)
No. Instead of doing more vivid culture like Mos Eisley and Jabba's palace, we get flashy disco fighting. They could do kindness in the culture scenes if this is merely a movie for children. Show The Force version of Christmas. Show a fun day at the good people town. Instead we get shallow flashy light fight spectacle for not just PM, not just for the next two prequels but the same bullshit in the three sequels. Where the Hell did Star Wars go? This cheap rehash is no more exciting than the ewok adventures. No grit. No tension. No stakes. No horror. No sacrifice. Shallow character work all over the script.

>>213855326
>it would be a great movie without the kid movie parts
What movie do you think you're watching?

>>213854032 (OP)
It just sorta meanders a lot in the middle and the "pod race" should have been written to be more important to the story.

>>213861189
Thank you again, George, for the reminder that you explicitly said Star Wars is made for 12 year old boys but we still talk about it in our 30's

>>213861181
Better oral skills.

>>213857385
>>213860987
>What do you mean I can't blow that tank up? I have a gun!
This is the level of retardation your argument is originating from. The Jedi are not clairvoyants. They can communicate by focusing deeply, for long amounts of time, to reach someone who is also meditating, and maybe reaching out if they are jedi/master levels. They have preternatural reflexes in that they can sense the immediate future. They can sense the negative aura of individuals. They can sense the sudden stopping of auras.

This is about the level of "clairvoyance" you're talking about, and you're pretending like somehow, somewhere in the Star Wars canon, they managed to look people up like the Force were a phonebook, and locate where exactly they are like they're a fucking GPS. Jedi are not omni-voyant.

>>213860987
>Focusing and reaching out are opposites
I think one implies the other, but it was my wording. The line is to be mindful.
The idea that Jedi can use their force senses to deliberately examine a certain thing isn't new.
I don't see any reason a Jedi couldn't choose to focus on the present and not the future.
And you still haven't answered why Qui-gon is an idiot for doing so when the results of looking into the future in this case are so vague.

>>213857385
>>213860987
>What do you mean I can't blow that tank up? I have a gun!
This is the level of retardation your argument is originating from. The Jedi are not infinite clairvoyants. They can communicate by focusing deeply, for long amounts of time, to reach someone who is also meditating, and maybe reaching out if they are jedi/master levels. They have preternatural reflexes in that they can sense the immediate future. They can sense the negative aura of individuals. They can sense the sudden stopping of auras.

This is about the level of "clairvoyance" you're talking about, and you're pretending like somehow, somewhere in the Star Wars canon, they managed to look people up like the Force were a phonebook, and locate where exactly they are like they're a fucking GPS. Jedi are not omni-voyant.

>>213861304
If not for the fluke that is the prequel defense force, no one would be talking about the prequels at all. The OT has stood the test of time though. Great movies that were hugely influential and enjoyable on their own.

>>213860622
oh absolutely. the weirdest one to me is when they're on the Star Destroyer bridge at the end, and a Peter-Cushing-lookaike is just there with them? that's not even "tying everything in a bow" it's just pointless, i don't even know if i could call it fanservice.

>>213860736

She's the young up and coming leader of Naboo whose naivety and idealism are simultaneously the source of her greatest strength and her greatest weakness. It made her persevere in the face of seemingly impossible odds, but it also made her completely fucking delusional by the time Revenge of the Sith rolls around.

>>213861456
>oh absolutely. the weirdest one to me is when they're on the Star Destroyer bridge at the end, and a Peter-Cushing-lookaike is just there with them? that's not even "tying everything in a bow" it's just pointless, i don't even know if i could call it fanservice.

This is actually one of the biggest issues I've had with the Prequels. Tarkin should have had Mas Amedda's role as Palpatine's loyal stooge in the Senate, it would have provided the appropriate context for why he's above Vader in the food chain in the Original Trilogy. Also, he's just a great fucking villain and seeing him and Palpatine scheming together would have been pure kino.

>>213860736
kind of a bitch.

>>213861416
The fact you’re spinning harder and harder mental gymnastics to justify Jedi at their peak not using one of the canon abilities solely because it makes the movies easier to write means you know I’m absolutely correct in calling it out, you’re just in denial.

Its bad because George wasted prime Portman by sticking her such frumpy conservative outfits. Mass market movies need sex appeal.

>>213857385
Smug sneering obtuse garbage. Your fat god king Mike would be proud

>>213854032 (OP)
It's literally miles better than 90% of the movies shown on Best of the Worst. IDK what Mike's problem is, maybe George Lucas sat on his puppy or something as a child.

>>213862070
George is the world's most successful independent filmmaker who got to make multiple franchises that were beloved by different generations. Mike is so jealous it hurts.

>>213862045
Tell us more about this person you imagined and decided was real.

>>213862176
Why are you talking to yourself?

>>213862949
Im not you schizo

Since I got into watching movies and watched a load of classics I elevated myself to the top end of the Star Wars bell curve and came to truly appreciate the prequels and what George was going for.
I don't understand why there's still such a huge scene for hating on the prequels when everything that prequel haters wanted they got with the sequels.

>>213854032 (OP)
The non-theatrical version IS bad.

>>213854032 (OP)
its bad because you're a retard

>>213854032 (OP)
The prequels ARE pretty much, we just never realized it could be SO much worse...

>>213863626
No, the prequels are far better than you think, it's just that the originals are even better than that to the degree that there's no comparison.

>>213860736
She's a cock tease.

>>213854032 (OP)
>It's bad because... Uh... Uhm... Well... RLM said it!

>>213863626
>if only you knew how bad things truly are

>>213863548
Everyone knew what he was going for. The point is he failed, and ended up going from making movies with universal appeal to making three children’s movies

>>213865370
>Everyone knew what he was going for.
a filmic response to Aristotle's Poetics, combining all of drama, comedy, and Satyr play while proving him wrong about the folly of Spectacle? because tbqh he succeeded on every front.

>>213865417
Yes we all saw the cliffnotes he had on his desk when he put pencil to paper to start writing the prequels during pre-production. Cliffsnotes for books he’s clearly never read.

>>213865482
plenty of interviews at his home linger on his book collection. the guy's well-read even if you don't like his films.

probably with Stoklasa and co is that they understand stories can have 'themes' and 'subtext' but find it some absurd thing when people dig deeper. it's not even some 'death of the author' shit, there's intent.

>>213865417
Kek

>>213865604
Anon George Lucas is clearly the type to buy books he’ll never read. As proven by how he employed cliffsnotes to write the prequels.

>>213857742
because they failed to explain many fundamental plot elements, retard!

>why is bringing balance to the force good when there's 1000 good guys and 2 sith
>who is syfo diaz
>what does clouding the force even mean
>why the fuck does padme die of a broken heart
>what is the trade federation trying to accomplish, and what gets them closer or further from that goal
>what the fuck do midiclorians do

when you make MAJOR parts of your plot and movie ambiguous, you open yourself up to imagination land guesses because you didn't do your job!

>>213865782
to be fair, the trade federation was just supposed to start a bullshit war over nothing so sheev could be emperor. what their stake in the war was is anybody's guess.

>>213859899
>Apart from Darth Maul being bisected, the CGI's actually held up pretty well.
no it hasn't the lightings a mess. you'll have shadowed real actors in the Jedi council room next to fullbright alien models, because the height of the light sources in the real room and imaginary room weren't the same

>>213856062
>the duels themselves are obviously glowstick dance routines were the parties involved are doing everything they can to avoid hurting each other

Oh , wow , there are few succesful strikes in the duels where both combatants have heightened speed , senses and reflexes along with some degree of pre-cognition ? .How terrible , Anon ! .

>>213865833
they didn't establish that clearly, either, though

i remember discussion boards after phantom menace and aotc, people were asking if there was even a way senator palpatine didn't become the emperor we know in the OT because there was some clone plot or something, an evil spirit possessed senator palpatine, or Or that it was a decoy vs real naboo politician situation à la Amidala/Sabé.

a lot of the confusion that existed and shows how badly plotted the movies were is forgotten by zoomers that always just watched the three together on demand any time they wanted

>>213861456
>a Peter-Cushing-lookaike is just there with them?

Why the fuck would Tarkin being next to them as they look over the contruction of the Death Star be weird ? .He was established as an important and leading military figure and a driving force behind the Death Star in its construction and the philosophy behind it and its use .Do you think before complaining ? .

>>213857385
Obi Wan was distracted by something he assumed wasn't anything to do with the immediate mission (it was of course), and Qui Gon didnt notice because he was concentrating on his duties and told Obi Wan to do the same.

The Jedi weren't infallible and that was basically the whole point of the prequels.

>>213865782
>why is bringing balance to the force good when there's 1000 good guys and 2 sith

Bringing balance to the force means eradicating the dark side, not actually balancing them like they’re on a scale.


>who is syfo diaz

A Jedi who got manipulated by Palpatine via dreams/visions (same thing that he did to Anakin) which caused him to order the clone army because he though the galaxy was going to be attacked (this is all clearly explained by Obi Wan in the movie)

>what does clouding the force even mean

Palpatine was using his sith powers to make the Jedi’s connection of the force weaker.

>why the fuck does padme die of a broken heart

This happens all the time in real life, losing the will to live or whatever. You see it happen when couples who’ve been together for a while, one of them dies then the other one just gives up and dies after them.

>what is the trade federation trying to accomplish, and what gets them closer or further from that goal

They’re a large group of retards getting worked into participating in Palpatines plan.


>what the fuck do midiclorians do

Nothing, it’s just a way to measure the connection to the force.

>it's bad because
>a comically large scroll is unzipped

>>213855202
yeah she was hot

>>213866453
>This happens all the time in real life, losing the will to live

that means you stop eating and drinking and getting out of bed to piss/shit, not just immediately croaking.

>>213866682
IT'S A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY

>>213866682
>that means you stop eating and drinking and getting out of bed to piss/shit, not just immediately croaking.

Her entire world and everything she fought for her entire Life crumbled in like 2 days , she witnessed a Genocide of Men , Women and Children , her Husband participated in said genocide against his own group and became a baby-killing monster who murders his own life-long friends and comrades all while participating in and supporting the annihilation of all her work and values , he proceeds to assault her and then she has to give birth to twins in the middle of all this collapse of her whole world .

Giving birth takes already a bit of a toll on the body , but if you combine it all , it makes sense she dies .

>>213859899
>the CGI's actually held up pretty well.

>>213866779
>i am to be lost will to live i die now... just after i push out these kids

>>213866881
Retarded ass nigga

>>213854032 (OP)
It really is not good though. I was surprised at how incomplete it felt the last time I watched it. I'm all for contrarianism but it just sucks.

The script for young Anakin was cringe. That goofy looking frog character with the haitian accent was an abomination.

>>213866814
Oof

>>213866899
they don't tell women to push just to give them something to do. a woman not participating in the birth will end up killing the kid and themselves.

>>213867014
>I was surprised at how incomplete it felt the last time I watched it.
well then you are retarded. The Phantom Menace is actually a standalone film. If no other Star Wars property existed, it would still work as a movie.

>>213859899
its "held up" because it looked bad when it came out

>>213867162
except for how there's no reason for literally any of it to happen without the start of the OT as the endpoint.

>>213866453
>A Jedi who got manipulated by Palpatine via dreams/visions (same thing that he did to Anakin) which caused him to order the clone army because he though the galaxy was going to be attacked (this is all clearly explained by Obi Wan in the movie)
When is this explained?

Hell the whole clone plot was kinda shaky. Why aren't the Jedi more suspicious of the Clones once they learn that they've been made from the DNA of a guy who is working with the enemy?

>>213867452
>Why aren't the Jedi more suspicious

because they aren't suspicious of anything ever in the movies, ever since quigon tells obiwan to just ignore his force-augmented suspicions.

>>213854032 (OP)
it's not awful it's just dumb.
always cracks me up with the opening. fanfare, title crawl... some shit about a trade dispute... what?
George lost his mind watching C-Span.

I don't care about the movie, I just jack off to fully clothed underage Padme. You can't stop me because it's not illegal to notice that a girl is sexy

>>213867218
What are you talking about?
>princess (queen) is in trouble
>needs help from jedi master
>young boy from the desert is recruited to by jedi master
>big bad spaceship is going to ruin everybody's day
>jedi master dies tragically
>young boy saves the day using a small spaceship while guided by The Force
The prequels have many problems but The Phantom Menace definitely works on its own because it fundamentally shares the same structure as A New Hope (a much better movie).

>>213867533
who would stop you?

>>213867553
>reductiveness to the point of meaninglessness
i don't know what I was expecting.

>>213855364
>Mr. Future Emperor wants the are public to become aware of the blockade on Naboo by the trade federation to supress confidence in the current chancellor
>Mr. Future Emperor is also the guy in charge of the blockade
>Two Jedis show up form Republic to figure out what's going on
>Mr. Future Emperor orders they be killed and their deaths hidden from the Republic
>In reality he should tell the Federation to tell the Jedi that there will be no negotion and that the blockade will continue until Naboo surrenders

>>213867553
it insists upon itself

>>213857385
>shut up and ignore that until you morph into Alec Guinness when you’re 45
kek

>>213867553
palpatine is in the first movie anon.

>>213866081
no one is saying the jedi needed to be infallible. just not purposefully stupid because that's easier to write.

George should have made the sequel trilogy set roughly 10 years after the first one, he could have actually waited 10 years. it's not like Carrie Fisher or Mark Hamill were slammed with work. Harrison Ford didn't want to be in any more stupid SW movies so he can be skipped. Make it about Luke and Leia swashbuckling across the galaxy dealing with a new threat. It would have given the fans exactly what they wanted, Jedi fanservice with characters they know and love.
Instead we got this shit >>213861030
Someone should have taken the keys away from George and told him to shut up and watch television.

>>213867599
Yes it is reductive but that is the core plot of the movie. It has a clear begining, middle and end that does not require any outside knowledge of star wars to understand. How does it not work as a stand alone movie?
>>213867626
I agree with this. George was really up his own ass when he wrote the script.
>>213867668
And if you don't see any other star wars movie, Palpatine is just a side character that tells Padme that the republic isnt going to help her. The movie works as a stand alone film.

>>213859696
>>the duels themselves are obviously glowstick dance routines were the parties involved are doing everything they can to avoid hurting each other
>blame PG-13 for that
i'll blame Ewan for being a pussy and refusing to get whacked with a plastic sword when he fucks up his moves. you just know that's why Maul swings so high.
>tell this fucking cunt to stop hitting me!

>>213867745
>Palpatine is just a side character that tells Padme that the republic isnt going to help her

also the guy who orders the tard federation to kill obiwan and quigon

My biggest problem is how the movie seems to start in the middle. Nothing is really explain about the Naboo-Trade Federation conflict.
And while technically the same is true for Rebels and the Empire in the OT, the story there was much simpler so it wasn't much of a problem.

>>213867800
that's because george didn't know either.

>>213867792
Yes you can infer that this was all Palpatine's plot to become chancellor hence the title Phantom Menace but that doesn't mean you need to know that he becomes the emperor to understand the movie.

>>213867800
has there even been an incidence of a navy blockading a port because of a trade issue? that's essentially a declaration of war.
imagine blockading an entire planet because somebody isn't paying their tariffs or whatever the problem was. that's totally nuts.

>>213867933
so the movie isn't self-contained. there's tons of characters that are pointless without more movies and plot threads that go nowhere. and you're saying this movie is more self-contained than a movie that was originally just called STAR WARS

>>213867745
>The movie works as a stand alone film.
i agree, i enjoyed it as a teenager. it really seems aimed at the younger audience with the comic relief characters, jar jar and fat fish man. the stupid poop humor and the kid becoming a hero by accident. it's all so ridiculous.
duel of the fates stomped though.

>>213867936
I'm pretty sure the British empire did that constantly.

>>213868004
the movie was never intended to be self-contained. that's very fucking obvious before the title crawl starts. we all knew it was a new trilogy.
idk if anyone ferretted out palpatine as the emperor though. i certainly had no clue as a teen. he was just some stuffy old guy and i wanted them to get to the cool fights with qui-gon.

>>213868062
the British didn't blockade Boston Harbor until after America declared war.
That's as far as my knowledge of the British Navy goes, but I don't think they were in the business of starting wars over trade disputes.

>>213868004
The movie is self contained, but it's side characters are fleshed out in the sequels. You don't NEED to see anything else in the series to understand the movie (unlike a lot of sequels that are blatantly just part 2 of the first story). The Phantom Menace has a clear beginning, middle and end, its not a very good stand alone movie, but it works.

>>213868104
lmao the British navy attacked countries constantly because they refused to trade with Britain. They declared multiple wars on China to force the emperor to let the Chinese people buy their drugs.

>>213868072
one of the emperor action figures from 1979 had his name as palpatine

>>213868109
nothing in the phantom menace makes any real sense anon, much less if it was the only one. repeating yourself won't make this any less true.

>>213868259
damn, way to give it away george...

>>213868314
Fucking six year olds understood it you brainlet. I would know because it was my first star wars movie and I wasnt confused. Imagine getting filtered by a movie for kids.

>>213868376
just because the premise in the opening crawl ultimately doesn't matter to what happens on screen does not mean it makes sense >>213868368

>>213868376
understood what?

>>213868425
>it doesnt make sense
>yes it does I even understood it as a child
>nooo everybody is just as retarded as me

>>213868460
ok explain soberly how the trade dispute and the trade federation fit into the plot of the movie. go ahead i'll wait. and don't just reiterate what happens on screen, i want a real explanation.
>who are the trade federation
>why are they blockading naboo, one planet in the entire Republic
>why do they declare war on Naboo, a planet of no importance to anybody except the people who live there
>how does this further Palpatine's plot of revenge against the Jedi.

>EXSQUEEEEEZ MEEEEE
>DID U ISA SAY MEESA TANKS U

>>213868512
nooo he's saying the movie is self contained nooo you can't ask about the emperor nooooo

>>213868512
>who are the trade federation
The bad guys who are secretly working for palpatine.
>why are they blockading naboo, one planet in the entire Republic
To force Naboo into signing an unfavorable trade deal.
>why do they declare war on Naboo, a planet of no importance to anybody except the people who live there
To get their resources, this has happened many times throughout history.
>how does this further Palpatine's plot of revenge against the Jedi.
Palpatine's plot of revenge against the jedi isn't brought up in the movie. He is just a bad guy who uses the situation to advance his political career.

You don't need to explain literally every detail for a movie to work as a self contained story. The audience doesn't need a scene of Luke jerking off to Leia's hologram for A New Hope to make sense.

>>213868709
I don't remember seeing any evidence that anything about naboo was special

>>213868743
Who ever said Naboo was special? The trade federation wanted a trade deal and Naboo did not so the federation invaded. This happened constantly in the past.

>>213868779
>Who ever said Naboo was special?
the people going to war over it

>>213868829
Do you think the British thought that Africa and India were special? People don't have to be special for you to take their shit.

>>213868886
>Do you think the British thought that Africa and India were special?
Yes. As england is a very small nation and needed resources that weren't otherwise claimed by comparably powerful nations.

>>213868931
>the phantom menace needed to spend even more time on the trade plot line. I can't understand the movie unless I know the complete socioeconomic situation of the trade federation and the Naboo
Autism. It isn't that complex Anon. The Trade Federation wants to steal Naboo's shit and Naboo doesn't like that. It's not that deep.

>>213869064
the trade federation is clearly an interstellar entity blockading a backwater planet for no discernible reason.

>>213869139
>no discernible reason
The trade federation explicitly say they want Naboo to sign a trade deal and the Naboo clearly don't want to sign it.
They are bullying a backwater planet into signing a trade deal, this isn't a plot hole, this happened a lot in history.
I've heard a lot of complaints about the phantom menace but I've never heard anybody complain about them not going more in depth with the trade deal.

>>213869232
>They are bullying a backwater planet into signing a trade deal
why? this would be like the east india trading company going to sentinel island and bullying the tribe there into signing a trade deal.

>>213869315
You do realize that's how the east India company conquered India right?

>>213869367
the east india trading company wasn't a colonization entity

lets stop dancing. see when you said you "understood" the phantom menace, what you actually meant to say is you just accepted what was happening on screen at face value and didn't analyze or question anything.

>>213868709
>The bad guys who are secretly working for palpatine.
ok but who are they, where do they derive their authority from... if they're just palpatines thugs that would probably be very suspicious.
>To force Naboo into signing an unfavorable trade deal.
why the fuck would anyone care about this?
>To get their resources, this has happened many times throughout history.
what resources?
>Palpatine's plot of revenge against the jedi isn't brought up in the movie. He is just a bad guy who uses the situation to advance his political career.
that's bullshit, Darth Maul and Palpatine (in costume this time of course) on the balcony, it's the one scene Maul speaks.
>at last we will have our revenge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZtqBYI9BQY

It's the best prequel and it's even better when you know the story. Best fight in the entire saga, one of the best characters (Qui Gon), John Williams at his peak. And I just love this sense of fatalism in every scene after they landed on Tatooine.
There's a lot to love about this movie.

Revenge of the Sith is actually overrated. A lot of it feels sloppy and Maul absolutely mogs Grievous who isn't intimidating in the slightest.

>>213869409
You are seriously overanalyzing a simple movie.
>>213869440
You do not need all of that shit about the trade deal explained to understand the movie. I will concede about the revenge of sith plot, I forgot about that line. We do not know how Sidious's plans will help the sith get revenge in the movie. All we know from the movie is that he is a bad guy who set himself up to come out on top no matter which side wins.

furthermore the galactic REPUBLIC doesn't make a lot of sense... it just seems like a loose confederation of separate planets that agree not to go to war. for whatever reason they meet in a Senate, because George was bored sitting in his bedroom watching C-Span while his wife was out spending his money. George is such a fucking boomer and probably one of the most boring people alive in his personal life, he is exactly the sort of dork that would watch C-Span long enough for it to rot his brain, which is why he injected the dumb surface-level politics into the movies. he probably thought it was deep and would resonate with adults or something. the same adults watching Jar Jar sniff the stinky fart, presumably...
anyway it's all a mess because George has a surface-level understanding of all this shit. A Republic is a collection of polities sharing one government and one land. The Galactic Republic is really more of an empire, in the traditional sense: they are self-governed entities with their own cultures, languages, etc. and they all pay taxes to the emperor in exchange for protection and the right to be self-governing. that's how an actual empire works; in George's addled mind empires are evil autocracies.

>>213869570
>We do not know how Sidious's plans will help the sith get revenge in the movie.
they don't except insofar as they get Palpatine elected chancellor (whatever that means in the mess of a govt George envisioned for the Republic) which i guess is a super important position since there's no actual head of government in the Republic. a curious thing that. we never meet the Republican president or prime minister, it's like some headless government where 1000 planets vote on everything i guess. and somehow it's never been captured by anyone until Palpatine rolls along.
i'll say this, it's not a soulless rehash of the first trilogy, but it's still a swing and a miss from Lucas.

star wars is gay

>>213869570
>overanalyzing
asking a trade federations motivations for blockading a planet with nothing special about it is not "overanalyzing," its asking a basic question. Its a "what? why?" that's established by the title crawl and is never answered in the context of the movie, only by knowing its a bullshit war sheev rigged so he could take power.

>>213869570
You forgot about the line in the third movie that solves the revenge of the sith line too.
"Once more the Sith will rule the galaxy!"
This tells us everything we need about why Palpy would want revenge. Delayed gratification on that plot point revealed only when his power is assured.

>>213869738
that line may as well have been "haha now I'm the emperor from the OT"

>>213869770
>I'm performing reductionism to avoid the debate!
Yeah. Cool. Neato.

>>213869795
this isn't a debate, this is you failing to defend the prequels.

>>213869732
What and why is answered by they want the deal to take Naboo's shit. You are asking what the federation wants that the Naboo has and that is definitely overanalyzing. George didn't need to add a scene where they explain how Naboo has some special mineral that the trade federation needs, places just get colonized sometimes it's normal.

>>213869795
the point you don't want to engage is the line has practically zero meaning and it means less and less the more you know about star wars.

>>213869825
>they want the deal to take Naboo's shit.
they clearly have a lot more shit than naboo does. its like (maybe you'll understand this one) blackrock coming to take your lunch money.

>>213869738
>cartoon villain wants to rule the galaxy
that's fine but it works better when you don't try to couch that in cloak-and-dagger politics involving a trade dispute that has no basis in any reality.
George needed some sort of reason for a pacifist government like the utopian Republic to be goaded into a war, the fabled Clone War which he probably only had an inkling of when he was writing the first trilogy. idk if the books ever expanded on that, it's only mentioned in ANH as far as I remember.
the way it was handled was clumsy and that's all George's fault. he should have paired off with other screenwriters instead of believing himself to be this brilliant scribe. he also should have gotten a competent director. the entire thing smacks of a vanity project, and it suffers for being so.

>>213869738
My argument is that the phantom menace can stand by itself as a film and you do not need the other films to understand it so what happens in revenge of the sith is irrelevant to my argument.
>>213869854
Britain had way more shit than the Africans you retard. You bully people weaker than you, that's how colonization works.

>>213869867
george isn't part of the WGA or director's guild, so it literally was just him.

>>213869837
Fantastic, you're a wrong idiot with nothing of substance to say. Move along, faggot.

>>213854032 (OP)
It's a 90's annoying kid movie with great special effects. Jarjar was a big hit when it came out. It's a relic.

>>213869904
ok, but you can hire other people. he's George fucking Lucas he can do whatever he wants, the guild can bitch and moan but they can't stop him from hiring someone unaffiliated to work with him. Hell, hire an actual author instead of a screenwriter.

>>213869924
I accept your concession.

>>213854032 (OP)

Stop kidding. These movies are bad and anyone with even half a brain knows it. That said, they still manage to be entertaining despite the badness. (Unlike the Disney ones which are just garbage in every way.)

This movie is actually good and Lucas is a true visionary.

>>213869973
Everybody that he trusted was part of the guild and wouldn't touch the film. Everybody he hired just said yes to everything he said. He was all by himself.

>>213869980
i aint buying no popcorn, gayboy

>>213869867
the second movie, the least-bad of the trilogy has a second screenwriting credit, some old as fuck boomer. probably this moderating influence is why it's not a total train wreck. compare it to the cartoon disaster that is Revenge of the Sith, another Lucas-only project.

>>213870106
>least bad
It's objectively the worst prequel, lol.

>>213870039
which means it was a vanity project
George is pretty based for saying fuck the guild though. unions need to be violently disrupted and destroyed.

>>213870154
it's problems are of the technical variety, not the script itself, CGI'd sets and costumes, maybe because of the delayed script.
>Writing the middle film in the Star Wars prequel trilogy, Lucas and Hales continued to refine their script as production began. The production draft was completed less than a week before commencement of principal photography. Hales worked with Lucas as costumes were designed and sets were constructed. “At that stage, Attack of the Clones felt like a ‘virtual film’ because we got the script only three days before we started shooting,” recalls producer Rick McCallum. “We had to build these sets to a script that didn’t exist.”[3]

>>213870106
>the second movie, the least-bad of the trilogy

anon attack of the clones was so much worse than the phantom menance it wasn't even funny, compounded by the fact you could no longer ignore how utterly god awful the phantom menance was.

>>213870178
>the script itself
>i don't like sand, its course and gritty and gets everywhere, you are not like sand i like you

>>213870246
Revenge of the Sith is all spectacle, at least Attack of the Clones takes a stab at some humanistic writing.
i'm not saying any of these movies are good, I would just say AotC is the less insulting of the three. it's the one that feels the least like a stupid cartoon, for me. ultimately all three are failures.

>>213870178
I honestly find the movie way too unfocused and convoluted. It also has those long, boring action set pieces that don't really add anything to the movie and aren't even exciting.

>>213870262
i mean, he's not wrong. sand sucks.

>>213870283
>AotC is the less insulting of the three
the goldberg machine assassination attempt is far more insulting than anything else in the prequels. obiwan investigating [something] to find the cloning planet that he doesn't know about yet only for the answer to be given to him in a 50s diner is probably worse but I was in the bathroom weighing the odds between suicide and going back in the theater so I wouldn't know about that for decades.

>>213870293
>oh hell yea clones vs... uh robots this might be cool oh wow a sandstorm to cut the budget wonderful

>>213870321
>>213870402
they're all terrible movies

AotC has some great ideas. I like the idea of Dooku, but the actual character is executed rather poorly.
More talking, less jumping on conveyor belts.

>>213865782
Sifo Dyas was changed later. Originally it would have made much more sense. In early drafts it was supposed to be called Sido-Dyas aka Sidious. It was supposed to be that Palpatine ordered the army with a fake Jedi name. But one day George misspelled ithe name as Sifo Dyas and instead changed it into that along with making Sifo Dyas into a Jedi that was manipulated into making the army and then killed.

>>213860340
>equating two completely different things
Jar Jar’s CGI looks funny but in Empire Han is wearing a hat! WHAT NOW COPERS?!

>>213868709
>>213868512

>how does this further Palpatine's plot of revenge against the Jedi.
Simple. Palpatines original plot was to get Amidala to sign the trade deal which would have essentially put Naboo under the Trade Federations control. He would then in Senate point out how it was obviously signed under duress and how Trade Federation illegally invaded the planet.

He would escalate this into a full scale war with Trade Federation. Only that republic basically has no military aside from the couple thousand Jedi while the Trade Federation has tens of millions of battle droids. The war that would happen from this would wipe out majority the Jedi easily crippling the whole order. Only his plan got fumbled when Amidala escaped so he improvised and used it to get the Chancellor seat.

>>213854032 (OP)
Watch the RLM reviews.

I should rewatch the prequels and see if I like them today.

how is the 4k

>>213867057
>>213868517
Why didn't /tv/ save him?

>>213866081
If this was AotC or RotS this entire set would be a CG video game.

>>213854032 (OP)
The movies exist because Lucas got the toy rights back from Kenner
I doubt he put much thought into the story other than “can I make this character a toy”

>>213867728
If the goal was to give fans exactly what they wanted, then the absence of Harrison Ford would have been a fairly big problem for these hypothetical sequels. They would want to see Han and the Falcon again.

>>213868368
the prequels is a more interesting setting than the originals.

>>213854032 (OP)
>It's bad because...erhm a comic relief character that's not even that annoying or woke and is only a small part of a movie
>I'ts bad because...erhm it has politics and the lightsabers move to fast and stuff

I hate boomers so much it's unreal

>>213870283
I understand what you're saying, but AotC is the most vile precisely because it fumbles all of those important emotional beats on top of looking awful and being immensely boring. It's an incredible accomplishment to fail at every level the way AotC does. "Across the Stars" might be the only worthwhile thing in it.

>>213854032 (OP)
Watch the Plinkett reviews.

The OT stands up on its own as 3 great movies. No one would ever watch the PT if it wasn't connected to a larger IP. That should tell you all you need to about their quality, without delving into the weeds of why they are bad,

Also 9.9/10 people would not be able to explain the plot of episode 1 if you ask them post watch.

It has some of the worst pacing for a movie I've ever seen along with some of the worst dialogue moments between characters like jar jar and child anakin.

>>213874712

It's arguably the least boring episode of SW actually

>>213854032 (OP)
Plinkett destroyed the prequels over the course of like 9 hours and people still pretend the movie didn't have a bunch of glaring faults

>>213875348
>The OT stands up on its own as 3 great movies.
Even the most diehard OT slurpers I know admit RotJ is only half of a good movie.

>>213867728
>Carrie Fisher
>swashbuckling

>>213875519
Better than PT movies which don't even have half a good movie when you combine the 3 of them.

The PT is everywhere. Memes, discussions, references, fucking everywhere. That's all I see talked about. How exactly is the OT superior if it's functionally dead in pop culture? The PT won. OT boomers lost.

>>213875638
Deflecting towards the PT doesn't make any of the Endor shit more bearable.

Something that's really pathetic about the prequels is that they're almost as nostalgia obsessed as the sequels were, and I don't care how the will of the Force brought and willed all of these characters together and made them all forget each other or whatever because a book said so. 3P0, R2D2, Bobba Fett and Chewbacca were here only to sell new toys of them and their inclusions only serve to take you out of the movie. Without even getting into all the plot beats, scenes and shots ripped off OT these movies had, just because muh poetry. These movies were ground zero for every souless pandery -in Hollywood reboot and sequel and don't get nearly as much blame for it as they deserve.

>>213868368
>I just wanted the OT all over again even though it makes no sense
Abrams bootlicker

Recently rewatched.

Had a bit of a hankering for some light entertainment. Rated the different setpieces

>GOAT tier
Pod Race, loved it 25 years ago, still love it

>Excellent tier
Duel of the Fates, mainly carried by the soundtrack, although the stunt work and choreography is excellent too

>ok tier
Assault on droid control ships, just space pew pew

>silly tier
Every scene where the Naboo fight

>very silly, also shit tier
Every scene with Gungans, like holy shit everything about it is so incredibly bad, especially the Braveheart "battle" against the droids. Everything about it is just so incredibly bad. So, so incredibly bad

There must always be a Darth Traya, one that holds the knowledge of betrayal. Who has been betrayed in their heart, and will betray in turn.

>>213875985
Even the pod race was shit. It was some weird fast paced thing in between 2 absolute slogs of snail moving plot with bad logic and worse dialogue. The podrace follows child anakin whom is unbearable. Same thing with the space fight. And the space fight feels incredibly low stakes with little emotional build up. Luke barreling down the trench with darth vader on his tail after his friends have been gunned down one by one made for a great suspense moment.

90% of PM is a "who gives a fuck" while the other 10% is only relevant because it's important to the wider story of star wars. This means it's a movie that can't stand on it's own at own at all. Only relevant because it exists are part of a wider story.

>>213876284
>Luke barreling down the trench with darth vader on his tail after his friends have been gunned down one by one made for a great suspense moment.
lol, lmao even
You don't even know what "suspense" even means

>>213875747
R2 and 3PO had to be there because it was part of the plan from the beginning that the whole saga was being told from the perspective of the droids, R2 specifically.
It seems odd if you watch the films in release order and think of it as them trying to give an origin story to what's supposed to be random robots, but if you watch them them in the intended order, it's perfectly natural for the comic relief robots from the first three films to also be around in the next three.

>>213854032 (OP)
Auralnauts did it better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSCm8yAxBr8&list=PLINl9l0igYjzIipxsD4Y59_Jjxe4N3pZo

The originals were also pretty bad, the main difference was that the originals had a cool, funny character in Han, which the prequels lacked.

>>213876711
By Plagueis, imagine being a Hanfag

>>213860736
Naive idealistic teenage boy groomer.

>>213875671
The PT audience were the first generation of terminally online virgins.

First film came out in 1977, an era when even the most hardcore sci-fi nerds still had to touch grass.

>>213876393
>intended order
>when the prequels pilfer so much from the OT
That's pretty dinsengenuous. It seems "odd" because at the end of the day release order is the only order that matters, ignoring the importance of past creative decisions just because someone stamped an arbitrary number of a movie is kind of foolish, SPECIALLY with how these movies went down. It matters very little to me if Lucas mentioned he had the idea at some point, I don't think it worked at all, he didn't even insert anything in the stupid Special editions to make this plot point less weird, story-wise it comes off as just a stupid coincidence that was made to sell toys, sorry not buying it anon.

>>213876711
Yeah, I've always thought a sort of manly "fish out of water" swashbuckling kinda hero character would have immensely halped the Prequels feel more believable. Someone from another galaxy that needed to be filled in all the details about the senate and the Naboo and the Jedi and the Seeth. I've seen some people fantasize about Brendan Fraiser filling in that role. But if he was just a Han ripoff this would have made this movies feel even more derivative.

Aaaand Kevin Baaacon

>>213876889
>It seems "odd" because at the end of the day release order is the only order that matters
I think most people watch the films in numbered order. And ultimately, that's what George intended. If you want to watch his films out of order, that's fine, but it's not his fault that they work worse like that.
And sure, the concern of how people would react to 1-3 after having seen 4-6 might've been real when they were coming out, but that was 20 years ago. People have had time to adjust the way they view these films in relation to eachother. There are people alive now who have only known this order, and that's just going to increase. If people are watching Star Wars in 20 or 50 years, they'll watch it in the numbered order while the release order is relegated to historical interest, which is interesting, but not the way the films are meant to be watched.

>>213854032 (OP)
>If I just ignore all the arguments that people have eloquently laid out over the years, it’s like they don’t exist, and I win!

>>213877310
Yeah no this is just a bunch of underhanded marketing trickery, production order is the only order that should matter to you if you're not a shitter.

>>213877310
the real point that no prequelfag wants to admit is without the OT, had tpm been the first star wars movie, it would've been the only star wars movie.

Its a kids movie. Keep it simple and remove all the political trade bullshit. just make em evil beccause they want to steel your water or some shit.

>>213875402
Not even the biggest prequelfag believes that.

>>213877381
>production order is the only order that should matter to you if you're not a shitter.
Why?

>>213875474
>destroyed the prequels over the course of like 9 hours
the plinkett reviews of the prequels are only around an hour to ninety minutes each, it's the turboautist reviews defending them in recent years, and ones attacking the plinkett videos that are nine hours long.

>>213876393
>R2 and 3PO had to be there because it was part of the plan from the beginning that the whole saga was being told from the perspective of the droids, R2 specifically.
But that doesn't really work because they aren't viable point of view characters and Threepio in particular had to get his mind fucking wiped to paper over the problem. The movies stray from their perspective all the time, even in the PT. And regardless of what motivated it, a contrivance is a contrivance.
>it's perfectly natural
No, it really isn't.

Fucking prequelfags.

>>213877453

Of course I do. It's basically nonstop action and worldbuilding. I have no clue where you faggots get off. Maybe you just don't like Star Wars and want to play culture of critique instead

>>213877536
>>213877453

>assassin chase and club scene KINO
>detective kenobi in kamino, KINOOOO
>naboo and across the stars KINO
>Geonosis collosseum and battle scene KINOOOOOOO

>>213877484
Because, for long-time series, discovering the real life creative decisions for stories in the same order they occured in real life will inform you much better on how storytelling and production evolved along the series. For Star Wars, Chrono order doesn't even make sense because the prequels even spoil the major plot point of the OT. They were not written or produced to be watched this way, they're meant to be a post hoc backstory of an existing character. If people really tolerate this bullshittery cuz they're sticklers for arbitrary numbers, then no wonder the ST fanbase is so full of drooling retards.

>>213877536
attack of the clones is non-stop shitty cgi for completely inane reasons.

>>213877576
>the ST fanbase
doesn't exist.

>>213877603
It is splintered to hell and back into several dueling tribes of morons but it unfortunately still exists. I wish it didn't exist anon.

>>213877622
what you're calling a fanbase is just astroturf

>>213877580

Hate to break it to you anon but Star Wars is fake. That's right, those claymation toys in the OT were fake too. I know they were really convincing

>>213877640
ok

>>213877652
I doubt that was his point you dishonest faggot zoomer.

>>213877652
good effects for good reasons vs bad effects for bad reasons

>>213854032 (OP)
It was an overly-long and exceptionally dull toy commercial. The production and sound design are amazing, but the editing and writing are crap. Midichlorians are a stupid idea.
Anakin and Padme are both horrifically wooden. Jar Jar and all the gungans managed to be more insufferable than Ewoks.
The video games were fantastic though. Especially Pod Racer.

>>213877519
>they aren't viable point of view characters
What does this mean?
>Threepio in particular had to get his mind fucking wiped to paper over the problem.
Yes, this is true. It's R2 that was always the one who was telling the story. C3PO is there because him and R2 go together. They have a relationship to eachother at the beginning of A new hope, so it makes sense to introduce him somewhere in the prequels if they have R2 there.
>a contrivance is a contrivance.
If you watch the films in order, what part comes off as a contrived? That there would be a robot on a ship that they'd bring along? That Anakin had a robot? There's nothing out of place about that.

>>213877576
It'll give the best insight into the history behind how the story was made, it wont be the best way to experience the actual story itself as it's presented to us by the creator.
>They were not written or produced to be watched this way, they're meant to be a post hoc backstory of an existing character.
That's not true though. Lucas had plans for a larger story of which 4-6 was the middle from the beginning. Empire, the film with the twist that is ruined, released as episode 5. He numbered the episodes the way he did because that's the order he wants you to watch them in. Nothing prevented him from call them something else if he wanted some other order.

>>213877989
>it wont be the best way to experience the actual story itself as it's presented to us by the creator.
Despite what this particular creator thinks, it will. I also think it is stupid, but that's the reason that "Machete" order exists. You can't just ignore real life, and the information past stories/events brought to life/consciousness. Even Lucas couldn't. But he told YOU, the fan of his movies, to do ignore it, while making a killing off it himself. Many conditions and events that take place in the stories utterly invalidate this approach, and to me all that "historiy repeats itself, it RHYMES" is just a pìss poor excuse to cover his ass for other poor decisions he, or other creators just half-assedly handwaved. Again, you just can't just ignore the road that took you to where you are, his plans did not come through, and despite that, imo, he went with his "plan" the poorest way possible, but still, of course, capitalized on what people already knew of his series to put all those recognizeable characters for the merchandise bucks. There is 0 merit to chronological order Star Wars watching anon, it's the way of the dummy.

>>213857385
1. The force being clouded by the Dark Side is one of the plot points that the Jedi keep stressing in the PT
2. Jedi clairvoyance lets them sense the general vibe of the path they're on or sense blaster shots from behind, it's not exactly seeing into the exact future and reading the minds of your opponents

>>213877989
>If you watch the films in order, what part comes off as a contrived?
The same things that come across as contrived if you watch them in production order. Anakin building C-3PO and R2-D2 being around the whole time is goofy regardless.

>>213860736
>Benevolent ruler concerned with the well being of her people
>brave and wiling to risk her life by plunging into situations where a royal senator does not belong
>believer in the Republic and democracy almost to a naive fault

>>213854032 (OP)
SAY IT!
"YES GEORGE SAMA THE PREQUELS ARE BASED KINOOOOO!"

>>213860736
sex

>>213865782
You poor dumb bastard.