I recently rewatched Batman Forever and it's largely as bad as I remember. It's like they just conclude Val Kilmer can't act. But the stoic Bruce Wayne is kind of genius.
Jim Carrey overdoes it but the worst sin is Tommy Lee Jones trying to compensate for Carrey and overdoing it himself.
In retrospect it's flawed but also not as awful as remembered, but still bad.

However, Batman and Robin, on rewatch, is FUCKING AMAZING.
The pacing and vibe are on point from the onset.
If I had a cliche of the 1990s, this lives within it perfectly without overdoing it AT ALL. It's amazing.
All excesses in this film are on tone and on point.
The only reason it's remembered poorly is because it came right when the 90s was getting over itself and wanted to move on.
It's actually incredible.

You have to look at the shot for shot visual language of the film, and it's really incredibly genius.
The writing is clean and 1930/1970 pure serial pulp perfection. It comes off as 90s cheese but it's so much more than that.

Just watch From Dusk Til Dawn before this for the right pallette cleanse.

>>213869827 (OP)

are u high? both are trash

>>213870031
It's visually amazing. The shots and angles and colors are fucking brilliant. Its style is 1990s, but it has a 1930s pulp layer underneath.
The pacing removes it from the Batman Forever bullshit, and makes it into a classic pulp movie instead of a dumb mid-90s movie.

Again, the visuals and angles and screeshots are beyond belief.

>Is that a BAT CREDIT CARD?! They gave him a BAT CREDIT CARD?!!! AAAHHHH, I'M GOING INSAAAAANE!!! Save me, Linkara!

>>213869827 (OP)
Considering how up their own ass Batman movies been since Nolan, I’m all for campy stupid Batman.

>>213870122
Thurman maybe is channeling Greta Garbo. The Riddler would've been better in a 1930's James Cagney mode.

>>213870454
Not Garbo, May West
>”Why don’t you come over and see me some time”

>>213870290
The card is surprisingly irrelevant. It's a great movie otherwise. The visuals and angles and vibe are amazing.
It was made literally as the 90s died and gave way to the 2000s so it channeled the entire 20th century
It's not "the worse Batman Forever". It's another beast way better than Forever.

>>213870358
I'm saying of Forever is campy and stupid, Batman and Robin is this whole other thing. No, really, watch it, it's amazing. It's a moment in time.

bump

>>213869827 (OP)
Nah it just sucks man
one of the stupidest movies ever