Thread 213873208

Everything they outlined in this video, RLM wished for back when they did the Prequel reviews. JJ Abrams didn't become a purveyor of slop overnight. He was basically the 'We need Michael Bay, but slightly more tasteful' of Hollywood. Thats been his entire career.

>>213873208 (OP)
They've never pointed the finger at JJ Abrams specifically for being the problem. It's always been jabs at the studio system, Kathleen Kennedy, and Rian Johnson for ruining the sequel trilogy

>the original han luke and leah crowd are aging out of this thing.
He answered his own question with a throwaway line.

How the fuck is it JJ Abrams' fault that every movie after the OT is shit?

>>213873422
because he directed and wrote some of those movies.

>>213873452
So Phantom Menace is his fault?

>>213873208 (OP)
I hit the last five minutes of it, and realized that I don’t know what his point was.

>>213873208 (OP)
Lucas asked Steven Spielberg, Robert Zemekis, and Ron Howard to direct the prequels instead of him and any one of them would have been a better choice than him, but beyond that every one one of them would have been a far better choice than JJ Abrams. Hell even Lucas himself is the better choice between the two of them. Stoklasa is and always will be an idiot pleb who helped ruin Star Wars.

>>213873460
if his movies were good then not every movie after the OT would be shit now would it?

>>213873422
literally nobody on earth says the prequels were jj's fault so i have no idea what you are saying

>>213873208 (OP)
The prequels will never be good

58 minutes to say absolutely nothing new, interesting or insightful while doubling-down on TFA apologia and hatred for Rogue One. What's next, another instalment of "Nerd Crew"? Give it up already, Mike.

He cracked and saw the 9th Star Wars movie before I did.

>>213873654
>i hate them
>i watched the whole thing
lol retard

>>213873208 (OP)
I wonder if they’re embarrassed of the whole thing about Plinkett being a serial killer. They never really address that anymore.

>>213873807
His recommendations already serially-killed Star Wars

>>213873208 (OP)
>the prequels sucked because George didn't have a committee telling him no
>they should hire JJ Abrams because he's competent at making mindless slop reboots of old properties
>WTF WHY IS ABRAMS STAR WARS JUST A COMMITTEE MADE SLOP REBOOT OF THE OLD FILMS

>>213873422
One of the reasons nu wars is irredeemable shit is because TFA rendered the entire OT and PT completely pointless, on top of being terrible in every other way. Yes, at least part of the blame lies with JJ Abrams.

>>213873556
The sequels will always be far worse. It's the only thing anyone remembers them for kek

>>213873917
that doesnt matter to anyone of consequence, but the facts remain, the prequels will NEVER be good.

>>213873943
this has been debunked

George won

>>213874018
Nobody won.

>>213874043
Skywalkers won. didnt you see the movie?

>>213874074
Aren't all the Skywalkers dead at the end

>>213874154
Somehow, Skywalkers returned

Mike's gone so far Xboomer he's starting to side with megaboomer george after some youthful rebellion.

>>213873823
Eh…you tried.

>>213873807
you can't monetise videos with rape jokes in them anymore unfortunately.

>>213873208 (OP)
Then
>I'm not gonna read all those slop book
>I'm not gonna play those slop video games

Now
>I'm not gonna watch these slop shows

what a revelation mike, thanks for your expert opinion.

>>213874363
for me? it's when I watch a video about WW2 tanks and they say "the mustachio'd man" because saying "Hitler" would get their video about WW2 demonetized

>>213873208 (OP)
Yep. Its funny that RLM are the ones who talked about consooming and made memes about it when they were the consoomers in the first place.
>OMG NOOO we don't want serious politics and dark stories, we want more wacky Star Wars just like the OT!
>TFA is le heckin' best dude, it's just like muh old mooovies I saw when I was a kid!
(Realizes nobody likes the ST)
>OMG le new mooovies and TV shows are le bad! AT-ST AT-ST X-Wing! We need more original Star Wars! (But we won't admit we overrexaggerated the faults of the PT because we're shameless AVGN copycats)

>>213874363
yeah they've joked about this before calling someone a pdf file instead of pedo because the youtube ads bots are so bad these days.

they fly now?

>I don't care about star wars
>makes 1 hour video about star wars

>>213873556
This.

>>213873556
compared to sequels they are great

>>213874765
It doesn’t make them retroactively good, they just aren’t as offensively bad. It is hard to explain what a disappointment The Phantom Menace was after the five-year gradual hype build up from the “face” VHS trilogy released in 95 with the Leonard Martin/Lucas interviews, the Shadows of the Empire multi-media campaign in ‘96, the Special Editions in ‘97, and then the blitzkrieg marketing campaign in ‘99 leading up to the release of the actual movie. After all that, the movie itself was a giant wet fart.

>>213873208 (OP)
It's Mike Stoklasa trying to prove to the internet that he's still so much more intelligent than them because he hates the prequels.
That's the video.
He also unfairly attempts to compare retroactive reexamining of the prequels to the potential reexamining of the disney plus slop the acolyte
This is extremely disingenuous because the acolyte's problem have more to do with the underlying political message than the show itself.
He knows this but chooses to ignore the nuance so that he can continue proving to you that the prequels are still as awful as he personally find them.
Gen X retardism in it's full bloom

>>213874841
They are full of soul

>>213873422
He established that the New Jedi Order and New Republic are destroyed, dooming any chance of the ST having a new type of setting

>>213874854
No. He needs to pay rent

>>213873208 (OP)
Michael Bay at least would have made some jingoist kino instead of "oh everything failed and everyone is depressed".

His favorite movies prove he was filtered by the prequels.
If you don't like AotC, I immediately know your opinion is worthless.

>>213873473
>Nitpicking and being passionate about a property are only okay within the strict, highly specific and often inconsistent parameters we deem acceptable, otherwise you are beneath our contempt (except we hope Disney Wars eventually inspires and excites more young people even though the editing shows we clearly hate them)
>'Original' ideas and storytelling 'risks' trump competency and execution every single time, no exception, now and forever. By making a very poor analogy to the prequels, we thus prove that people will definitely look back on The Acolyte with fondness rather than something with a familiar setting but very high quality like Andor (which also took a lot of risks but its set in the OT so it can go fuck itself)
>Fuck you, we had our fun, now we're pulling up the ladder. Aw, what's that? Baby no wikey? What are you, a fucking 'microphone bro'? GET A LIFE YOU FUCKING LOSER but remember also that anger and negativity is not cool in this day and age unless its highly passive-aggressive and heavily filtered through irony and blatant un-self-aware hypocrisy

>”The microphone bros hated Acolyte because they are bigots”
Still on this shit, mike?

>>213874854
>The Obi-Wan show was fiiiiiiiiiiiine. Like, what are you even complaining about? Who caaaaaaaares, you toxic nerds? Except I'm also too tired, hurt and disappointed by Star Wars so you should feel sorry for me for deliberately lowering my standards to protect myself while simultaneously using it to feel superior to others.

meds

>seethe so hard that people now like the prequels that you make a video going IF YOU LIKE THE PREQUELS YOU MUST ALSO LIKE THE ACOLYTE

lmao boomer

>>213875069
>he actually watched the video

>>213874875
>They are full of horribly overused CG that has aged like milk in a windowsill, a half-baked first draft plot, and wooden dialogue delivered by confused actors running around in green rooms being given little to no direction.

FTFY

>>213874854
I disagree, the Acolyte would have been dogshit even if it was devoid of current year politicis

>>213875140
Yet it still has more soul than any scifi action movie since

>>213875101
Sorry chud, Anakin lifted a lemon and so did Forciniqua so you must like both

>>213873401
>>213874580
>>213874854
>>213875069

Hey now, forgiveness! After all, we all have our blind spots, remember? Go easy on 'em. I'm sure they'd do the same for you.

>>213873654
>doubling-down on TFA apologia and hatred for Rogue One

They bet on the wrong horse and they've been malding ever since

>>213873208 (OP)
>>213874644
>Everything they outlined in this video, RLM wished for back when they did the Prequel reviews
Its not even clear if RLM are self-aware of how much of a 180 they've done. For example, in this video plinket says "who cares about fight choreography" when RLM lambasted the prequels in painful detail for that very thing. RLM just can't seem to ever admit they've ever been wrong at times, while simultaneously constantly contradicting their own statements.

>>213875149
The acolyte would have been a fundamentally different show without the underlying political shit. It's current year politics wrapped in a thin star wars facade.

>>213874875
your mom drove you to the theater.

I like how in one argument Mike will say that the only people who liked the Prequels were Millennials who were children when they watched them, But then he will later just go and say that the prequels are boring and don't appeal to children later. Which is it you fat retard? Did those films hook kids to buy the toys, play the games & read the EU books on them and keep the franchise alive or not?

>>213873208 (OP)
>Prequel contrarians btfo-the video.
If you like the prequels, you like the space lesbians with power of maaaanyyyyyy

>>213876314
I drove your mom to theatre and gave me head on the way back

>>213876330
Mike is an old childless boomer without a wife - he hates kids and thinks they are stupid, so probably he just believes that they love the prequels because they are le silly and colorful but still boring and shitty.

>>213876330
I got Star Wars Phantom Menace toys and school bag but I still fell asleep every time I tried to watch the film. Same with the other prequels, I still only have vague memories of what happens in the middle of those films. Which was weird because I kept thinking that I should like the movie. 2 years later Fellowship of The Ring came out and that movie was twice as long and I didn't fall asleep once despite it having less spaceships and battles and shit.

>>213876396
You gave me head on the way back? Thanks man

Star Wars should have never been anything more than just a trilogy of good adventure movies from the 70s-80s. Like Back to the Future and Indiana Jones. It would have been remembered fondly, it wouldn't have been milked and raped to death. It wouldn't have lost its dignity. And it wouldn't have been embarrassing to admit that you like it. It should have never become a soulless "franchise". That's why it went to shit, and that's the reason we ended up here.

>>213876405
i don't think he even has the mental capacity t really "hate" children, he's too much of one himself without realizing a shred of it

>Acklite is just like the Prequels because... IT JUST IS OKAY?!
>But it's also... LE GOOD because chuds or something

i dont care xD i heard the plinkett voice again and i was tranported to my happy place with my favorite nostalgia obsession star wars! save and comfy in my little boy dream house with all of my action figures and toys and bright colors and happy thoughts yaaaay!!

mike fails to understand the reason young people like the prequels more in the long run was the extended media (video games and clone wars show) which ironed out the flaws of the movies

sequels were terrible and had no good tie in extended media

>>213873422
The PT is good. The ST is basically on par with the Room by Tommy Wiseau. JJ Abrams is basically a more expensive Tommy Wiseau.

>>213876701
The OT is absolute garbage. The only thing its good for is jumpstarting a good and interesting setting. If an OT movie is on TV, I instinctively change the channel so as to not be associated with Gen X faggots.

When you're a man over the age of 18-21 the only reason to be commenting on star wars should be to ensure it stays aimed at boys below that age. That's literally it. This also applies to superheroes, transformers, resident evil, halo, tomb raider, masters of the universe, etc. The fuck are you doing mocking that audience and hoping they maintain the creative/audience path of The Acolyte.

>>213877152
I'll never have children to pay for your pensions. Stay mad. I'll be fucking your wife while she moans to the sight of my funko pops.

>>213877055
But the prequels still remain bad. No amount of extended media, no matter how good it is, can go back in time and write/film those movies in a way that doesn't suck. Those movies will always suck. That's the point. You shouldn't have to go and consume anything outside of the films when watching the films and judging them on their own merit. That's why all of that other stuff is irrelevant when the films are reviewed.

report eceleb threads as off-topic

>>213877055
he shits on some of those games in the video so i think he knows

the biggest joke here is the prequel defense force is the main form of engagement keeping these faggots from needing real jobs

Mike will go to the grave never admitting the Sequels are cataclysmic dogshit and it's partially his fault.

Oldcacas lost btw

>>213877198
>That's the point
no the point of my comment was to highlight WHY people still cling to the prequels era even if that gen x retard doesnt wanna hear it. the movies are flawed but it got "fixed" via the extended media thats why prequel era holds a special place to people even if the main movies were silly

this wasnt the case with the sequels because nothing was planned out, they treated everything as a big secret (even john williams complained) when in reality it was a modern take on new hope and nothing planned beyond that which meant also no extended media outside a few weird comics that no one read or were not canon the moment it came out (snoke the gardener)

god this prequels bad shit is such gen x hangup holy shit get over it already its fucking cringe when you still want to pretend georges autism was/is worse than disneys shit

this is the same retard who will then praise picard s3 because its not fanservice when he likes it

>>213873407
Sure, but it was spiteful to never reunite them. Rian is an asshole.

the most shocking part about that video were those star wars convention clips and how americans seem to think acting like this as adults is normal

>>213876701
Wait a minute, the hands of Luke on that rotj poster, something's off....

>>213877426
Legit cult. Alec Guinness was right.

>I have been offered a movie which I may accept, if they come up with proper money. London and North Africa, starting in mid March. Science fiction, which gives me pause, but is to be directed by Paul (sic) Lucas, who did American Graffiti (1973). Big part. Fairy-tale rubbish, but could be interesting perhaps.

>New rubbish dialogue reaches me every other day on wadges of pink paper, and none of it makes my character clear or even bearable. I just think, thankfully, of the lovely bread, which will help me keep going until next April. I must off to studio and work with a dwarf (very sweet, and he has to wash in a bidet) and your fellow countrymen Mark Hamill and Tennyson (that can't be right) Ford. Ellison (? - No!), well, a rangy, languid young man who is probably intelligent and amusing. But Oh, God, God, they make me feel ninety, and treat me as if I was one hundred six.

>I shrivel inside each time it is mentioned. 20 years ago, it had a freshness, a sense of moral good and fun. Then I began to be uneasy at the influence it might be having. The bad penny first dropped in San Francisco when a sweet-faced boy of twelve told me proudly he had seen Star Wars over a hundred times. His elegant mother nodded with approval. Looking into the boys eyes I thought I detected little star-shells of madness beginning to form and I guess that one day they would explode. 'I would love for you to do something for me,' I said. "Anything! Anything!' the boy said rapturously. 'You won't like what I'm going to ask you to do.' I said. 'Anything, sir, anything!' 'Well,' I said, 'do you think you could promise never to see Star Wars again?' He bursts into tears. His mother drew herself up to an immense height. 'What a dreadful thing to say to a child!' she barked, and dragged the poor kid away. Maybe she was right but I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of secondhand, childish banalities.

>>213877388
he meant the Xboomers like Mike have stopped caring about star wars and have left the discussion. The anniversary of the prequils and the disney backlash have changed the conversation around since millenials and younger are still discussing the movies.

Why are GenX'ers incapable of accepting that they fucked up with anything ever?
Mike wanted JJ to direct Star Wars, JJ directed Star Wars, and it brought down a cultural titan & jumpstarted the nostalgiawanking panopticon the entertainment industry's become since.
As a zoomer would say, just take the L already

>>213877535
>JJ directed Star Wars, and it brought down a cultural titan

It didnt. people pretended for two years that the movie was good and everyone was just a racist and sexist and that all answers will come in episode 8

>>213877535
Go back.

>>213874580
>OMG NOOO we don't want serious politics and dark stories, we want more wacky Star Wars just like the OT!
His point was George can't do politics and dark stories because he's a hack writer you dumb nigger. 1/3 of the video is him sucking off Andor and how masterfully it tells a dark politically minded story, retroactively making the prequels even more pathetic by comparison while simultaneously making all of Disney Slop Wars seem more like retarded childish key jangling than it already was.

Almost like we should just shut up and trust the original creator of the thing we like rather than critics and coattailers that appear sometime later with a wish list

>>213877198
But it's entirely fine to retroactively fix Star Trek's bad episodes with good episodes. Fuck off, Mike.

>>213877577
TFA was maximum dogshit on par with The Room by Tommy Wiseau.

>>213877535
>>213877577
JJ didn't ruin SW, he made a servicable film that effectively just handed the bag to whoever was directing Episode 8 to deliver on making the trilogy a success. And then episode 8 happened and it failed. Spectacularly.

>>213877671

It was a bag, a bag of shit. JJ did nothing to set up a compelling overarching plot. He did nostalgia fanservice and shat on everything that had already happened in the OT. Merely looking nice as a movie is not everything, if you look at the substance of his plot it was terrible to work with later. Ironically enough it was TLJ and Rian that tried to do something novel.

>>213873208 (OP)
Remember when South Park made fun of speilberg and Lucas for digitally altering their films? And it was a half hour long rape joke that ended with showing both of the directors raping characters they created? Wasn’t that hilarious? Then remember when they did a show about how Disney wars sucks? And that ended with Cartman telling the audience that they should stop bitching about bad movies and just consume the slop

>>213877644
i know but people still pretended it was good and part of a bigger plan
>>213877671
>he made a servicable film
TFA is part of the problem it fails to set up the state of the universe. the only way the movie could have worked with the deathstar 3.0 hadnt blown up and the bad guys would have won reestablishing the empire at the end. instead the "good guys" win so yeah whats the point now and why was there a map to find luke again?

it doesnt matter who would have directed 8/9 the trilogy needed to be planned out before shooting with a clear goal in my what story these movies are going to tell and how they connect to the previous 6

>>213873208 (OP)
In 2009, hour-long video reviews on Youtube were a novel thing. No one had a presentation quite like Plinkett, and no one was saying the things about Star Wars that he was. We are 16 years removed from that, and the people inspired by him have now surpassed him. There are many more video essays out there that are better researched, better presented, and better argued than anything Plinkett has put out, sometimes directly refuting the points he himself has made. Mr. Plinkett and his reviews are relics.

>>213873556
They have never been bad.

>>213877791
Tranny detected.

>>213877768
>no one was saying the things about Star Wars that he was.
Lmao. It was the common cookie cutter opinion held by jaded Gen X fanboys like Mike, Jay, Rich, Nostalgia Critic, AVGN and and so forth. They're just mad because the younger people, and even some people their own age, don't agree with their bullshit. Much like we don't agree with Gen X's pushing of 1000 million pangenderqueer versions.

The fundamental problem of the sequel era is that the conflict makes no sense.
>Rebels vs Empire?
It's obvious what each side represents and can do (rebels have to stay hidden and use guerilla warfare, imperials have to enforce their control with obvious shows of force, etc.)
>Resistance vs First Order?
Both of them seem to be on the fringes of galactic society. The resistance is made up of veterans who formed a vigilante group, and the first order is something between a cult and a militia. It's unclear what either sides goals are, besides defeating the other side.

>in the 80s and 90s nerds werent cool
>if you were reading one a them star wars books you'd get your ass kicked.
reasonably accurate.

>>213877717
>Ironically enough it was TLJ and Rian that tried to do something novel.
And he failed. Spectacularly.
>>213877751
>TFA is part of the problem it fails to set up the state of the universe.
Which can be expanded on in the following film, although it really isn't that necessary if the writer makes a compelling enough story that we don't even give a shit about that and just want to see what happens with the characters. TFA effectively handed a blank check for the writer of 8 to do whatever he wanted with the film, and he chose to not only fail to expand on the world smartly but to also write a terrible and nonsensical story that pisses and shits all over itself trying to shock the audience every 3 minutes.

>>213873460
not that one obviously, but he shares a large share of the blame for the Disney trilogy

>>213878183
Only because they had him come back and write 9 after Rhombus Johnson made everyone hate star wars

>>213878236
Force Awakens was dogshit, too.

>>213877426
>>213877486
I hope the decline of Star Wars at least leads to a lot of its obsessed fans to reevaluate their lives.

>>213874854
The prequels were obsessed with current year politics back when current year was Iraq War.

The Simpsons S14E15 "C.E.D'oh" originally aired on March 16, 2003

>>213873208 (OP)
Got bored like 5 minutes in anyone with a brain knows everything already. Analyzing "what happened with Disney Star wars" is beating a dead horse. Btw Mike also said you can't criticize Acolyte because there's starving kids in Africa in that embarrassing review.

>>213876413
>I got Star Wars Phantom Menace toys and school bag but I still fell asleep every time I tried to watch the film. Same with the other prequel
Thank fuck. I thought I was the only kid who fell asleep during those movies.

>>213879925
I'm not gonna lie essentially going "you're not allowed to be passionate in your criticisms of the media you view because uhh the world has bigger problems than that" made me lose a LOT of respect for him. Like he literally unironically used the "starving kids in Africa card". I couldn't believe it.

>>213873208 (OP)
>Everything they outlined in this video, RLM wished for

Oh you are so fucking close to realising that RLM was Disney's project to create artificial online consensus so that George would sell $47 000 000 000 brand to Disney and to create hype for Disney announcements.
There is no honest person alive who can take two Mickey's Stoklasa claims - 'PT destroyed OT' and 'Kenobi is okay, fun' at face value and think he is honest actor.

>>213873556
They were always good, no matter what Mickey Stoklasa claims.

>>213874154
No, two Skywalkers were born at the end of Star Wars. Don't know what fanfic they shat out in Disney Wars.

>>213877599
>His point was George can't do politics
More like Mickey Stoklasa is shit at understanding simple, yet efficient premise.

>>213878822
>decline of Star Wars
Star Wars are okay, Disney Wars are dead.

the video was a complete waste of time and he has nothing interesting to say. at least with his prequel videos you could tell he was passionately frustrated with what happened with the prequels but here its just his typical unenthused apathetic ramblings just with the plinkett voice.

>>213880616
>you could tell he was passionately frustrated
He was motivated by Disney paycheck.

>>213880138
He also got mad about every new Star Trek product until he got his TNG reunion. Where were the starving Africans when he was criticizing Star Trek?

>>213879862
The only film to come out during Iraq was RotS. The first two released before the conflict and Phantom Menace was well before 9/11. I don’t think the trilogy had much to do with The War on Terror at all.

>>213873208 (OP)
This was the weakest Plinkett video they’ve ever made, possibly because it was so heavily focused on Disney Wars and I don’t care for what the property has become under them.
The George voicemails were great. They were brief moments of charm in a very long and blasé video essay.

>>213877599
the episode III novel by Stover was terrific

>>213873208 (OP)
>We need Michael Bay, but slightly more tasteful' of Hollywood.

I’m glad someone else said this. I’ve been saying this for years yet people kept denying it. RLM especially saw Abrams as some secret genius when he’s a giant retard.


If Michael Bay did half the things Abrams did in his Star Trek or Star Wars films, he would be endlessly crucified. Like the character watches planet across the universe be visibly destroyed

>>213879862
It drew some inspiration from it. It wasn't activism disguised as entertainment.

>>213881566
>RLM especially saw Abrams as some secret genius when he’s a giant retard
Did they ever? Even in their old Plinkettview of '09 they said it was nothing like Star Trek. Compared it to someone raping you in an alley but it being "okay" (complete with a skit, picrel). The biggest praise they gave him is he was good at fast paced action scenes and emotions.

>>213877426
When people are rootless and atomized, they will grab onto whatever community they can so they can feel a sense of belonging. They don't care if it's some corporate money making venture

>>213877671
He reskinned the original movie, then despite having creative control handed it off to some faggot for episode 8. That was his call, so he's responsible for it.

>>213881904
This, it's why europeans grabbed onto EU commission, Chinese grabbed onto their iPhone factories and Russians grabbed nearby landmine.

The youtube pop culture critic space has too many X and old Millennial still occupied with the 2010s and earlier topics like superheroes and Star Wars while the public has moved on. All year long they've been factually wrong about almost everything

>>213880427
Acolyte apologia solidified this as true in the video in the OP. They're not even hiding it anymore.

Hourly reminder that George won

>>213877644
Hey don't talk shit about The Room

>>213880854
Disney paid him to shit on the prequels before they owned Star Wars?

>>213880854
Disney didn't even care about SW back then, you smelly nigger

Sorry Mike you're not allowed to have an opinion on Star Wars anymore while there's still hungry kids in Africa

This video feels like the dying gasp of the gen-x too-cool-to-care attitude. You can feel how desperate he is to look like he doesn't care wheh he clearly does.

>>213873556
You're not ready for the truth, that the OT was never "good" either. gen X never grew up and never fully grasped the concept of nostalgia goggles because they were in such a massive echo chamber with the OT.

>>213883063
>gen X never grew up
This is the core of the issue. Star Wars and other peices of media were so good that they gave an entire generation brain damage.

>>213883063
nta, but Star Wars was never good and is actively detrimental to humanity

>>213873654
>>213873208 (OP)
One thing they touched on but didn't elaborate enough on is that Star Wars has become a toy for rich 1% liberal assholes and is really only sold as premium exclusivity experiences.
Disney is selling out roles to already in the business personalities who want controlling interests in the story and cameos. I knew there was something wrong as soon as l learned Daniel Craig played the Stormtrooper who fought Finn, and Simon Pegg played that alien.
Star Wars actually has a deep and abiding respect for bit actors and small characters like, Red Leader, Wedge, Mon Mothma, Admiral Ackbar, all those Imperial Commanders. Even the Prequel trilogy featured some good one off characters. The entire story actually hinged on the actions of pic related at one point.
In the Disney Wars, every tiny character moment and bit actor is taken by some celeb who likely petitioned for the role. It's all become a ultra rich playground and they want to keep it out of the hands of the masses, thus all the opportunities to shit on old characters and stories.

Star Wars for me, not for thee.

>>213877671
he remade the first film, it was so boring that shitting all over it was preferable, at least it was something new. If you're that creatively bankrupt you shouldn't be making sequels in the first place

>>213877426
That's everywhere, not just America. Pic related

>>213877426
first time looking at a convention...?
wait till you see those furry and anime ones

>>213877388
Harrison Ford was the one who asked to kill Han. It was his condition.

>>213883155
All of it applies to Marvel as well like you said. A rich elite playground that we the peasants are priveleged to spend money to see. I just can't go see another arm wavy cgi fest superslop which is what star wars became and marvel is

>>213883131
Its a good kids film, its full of nice morals and good lessons for children, the first 6 films will forever live alongside classic disney and pixar as staple kids media. It mutated into some horrific ugly thing because of a bunch of bitter men in their 40s.

>>213881155
There had already been one Gulf War, and Saddam was starting shit and people were getting anxious about it all the way back in the 80s. See Big Leboski's Saddam scenes that people mistake for preconditioning for the invasion.
I don't know if that necessarily means George was commentating on any of it though, since the prequels are to muddy to draw any themes or messages from

>>213877320
>this wasnt the case with the sequels because nothing was planned out, they treated everything as a big secret
The Last Jedi was written in 2014. Then in 2017 fans bitched about the movie and demanded Disney to retcon it.
Disney actually listened to fans and tried to please them with Rise of Skywalker, but it was pointless because they still bitched about the movie and cynically accused Disney of not planning things in advance (lol?)

>>213877751
>muh lore
>>213878161
>muh lore
How to spot redditors who don't understand filmmaking.
>story that pisses and shits all over itself trying to shock the audience every 3 minutes.
100% redditor

>>213882722
>Acolyte
Nice show. It's like the prequel trilogy if they had good acting.

Mike's STILL salty about the prequels?

>>213883380
It doesn't count as listening when you act like an even bigger retard after being told to stop acting like a retard.

>>213883326
>prequelfaggot
>thinks star wars is in any way good
of course

prequelfags are STILL salty about the Plinkett reviews?

>>213883380
How did RoS try to appeal to fans? Rey fucking just decides she's a Skywalker and stares at the sunset like she's an actual Skywalker? That was infuriating

>>213873208 (OP)
There is only so much irony you can put out until it starts to consume your soul.
Unsubbed when they started acting like theyre more than a friend simulator.
Anyone who produces "Space Cop" can't comment on the quality of media.

>>213883484
>Disney we want X Y and Z
>ok here's X Y and Z
>hmmmm no this actually suck. Why didn't you plan things in advance?
Star Wars fans in a nutshell.

>>213883530
>Rey fucking just decides she's a Skywalker and stares at the sunset like she's an actual Skywalker?
Anon you didn't even watch the movie

>>213883512
They'll still be seething in their graves. It's the price of autism.

>>213883578
The "Just Rey" line was right there.

>>213877599
thankfully we have the creators of Space Cop to point out what proper cinema looks like

>>213877671
Yes, the biggest issue of the sequel trilogy is that Star Wars fans have shitty taste. They hated TLJ and then Disney tried to "course correct" with TROS, which, being respectfully, was a mixed bag at best.
But you should NEVER listen to people with shitty taste. Lesson learned at least.

>>213883512
It's cathartic to see the uppity dunning kruger critic be so thoroughly put in his place. I dont care about the prequels, I care that one of the few hyper successful film and videogame institutions that wasn't ran by Hollywood or a publicly traded company was sold to the devil and destroyed.

Lucas would have been a great philanthropist of the arts had he not been chased into an early retirement, now he spends his billions on a random museum in the middle of nowhere.

What did he mean by this?

>>213877599
>Andor and how masterfully it tells a dark politically minded story, retroactively making the prequels even more pathetic by comparison while simultaneously making all of Disney Slop Wars seem more like retarded childish key jangling than it already was.

>>213877535
Narrative coherence is a white man thing, sorry if it's importance flies over your nappy head.

>>213883535
>I'm a cuck also vote blue no matter what
Disney apologists in a nutshell.

>>213877535
No you dont get it, you're a woke zoomer and you love the acolyte and he didn't do anything wrong because everyone is shitting on your favourite series just like he did, its not his fault he was old and grumpy. He had to manufacture an image of lucas being a bumbling retard, he had to chase him out of the industry, it was only fair for ruining his childhood.

>>213883727
What the fuck are you even trying to say? Fans should have sucked off TLJ despite it being dogshit just so Disney wouldn't fuck up the next movie trying to repair the damage? How about you don't make dogshit movies in the first place?

>>213876413
>Are they seriously talking about fucking trade negotiations? politics in my starwars?? I'm falling asleep!
>The gen x criticisms of the prequels are identical to that of an actual toddler.
interdesting.

I still prefer the prequels. Yeah, sorry. I know, I know. I just prefer them, is all.

>>213884145
They have cool spaceships in them.

>>213873556
True

>>213873208 (OP)
So Disney didn't renew the contract with them uh?

>>213884037
Gen X are perpetual man-children. Worse than millennials by far.

this video gave me shades of right-wingers defending jd vance

Has Mauler commented on the new RLM video or about the beating he got from Mike?

>>213882921
>>213882947
RLM literally popped into existence the year Disney started pressuring George to sell nearly 50 billion dollar brand to them, a decade after the release of movies they claim to hate so much.
>wouldn't it be nice if George sold SW to someone who knows what they are doing?
>wouldn't it be nice if JJ Abrams directed SW?

>>213883465
You wish, shill.

>>213877671
Fucking poser.

RLMidwits are STILL salty about the Prequels?

>>213878183
I'd say he shares the primary blame. He decided to reset the story, which basically doomed any chance of a meaningful continuation.

>>213873906
At the very least the present state of the brand can be blamed on him. 10 years after the last prequel, people were still hyped as hell for a new movie. 10 years after TFA, no one gives a shit about Star Wars at all anymore.

>>213884555
God I hate nerdrodic so fucking much, what a goddamn fag

>>213883747
He looks like AI

>>213883465
>Nice show. It's like the prequel trilogy if they had good acting.

>>213884652
>what a goddamn fag
Doesn’t he have a wife?

>>213884555
>beating he got from Mike?
You mean the video where Mickey Stoklasa desperately defended Acolyte because he needs Disney paycheck to keep going?

>>213884746
Yes and three kids, unlike RLM disney adults.

>>213884570
I've never heard this schizo shit before, I'll give you that atleast

>>213873514
I don't think Spielberg would have been much better. He has a tendency toward kiddie cutesy shit, and probably his Phantom Menace would have been just as distasteful to adult viewers as the one we got. Spielberg made A.I. around the same time, and I think that film gives us an idea of how he would handle the character of 8-year-old Anakin. It would be sappy.

>>213876701
There were always going to prequels of some kind, even if Lucas didn't make them. The absence of a I-III when the others are subtitled IV-VI is too tempting.

>>213873556
This.

>>213884585
Someone hasn't done their homework. George has only ever had backhanded compliments to the sequels.

>>213884969
>>213884585
forgot pic related

>>213873208 (OP)
The prequels may be “le bad xD” but they were never universe-breaking to the point it was impossible to call them canon.

>>213884750
Yes, Mike drank a lot and went "The Acolyte is the best show on Disney+, it's better than the Prequels," and Mauler went "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT" and he and Nerdrotic drove over to Mike's house.

Mike was drunk and holding a beer bottle when Mauler and Nerdrotic showed up, Mauler got in Mike's face and knocked the beer bottle out his hand. Mike went into a drunken rage and began beating the shit out of Mauler, while Nerdrotic was shaking in fear watching the carnage. Jay recorded it and uploaded it to Youtube but it got taken down within an hour.

>>213885048
>The Acolyte is the best show on Disney+, it's better than the Prequels

This part is actually true considering Micke is Disney employee, rest probably not much.

>>213873556
They weren't that bad. The rot had already begun to set in on Return of the Jedi.

>>213884746
Yeah, he's had sex with a woman and he's still a fag. That's how much of a fag he is.

>>213873422
educate yourself
https://youtu.be/ws85gYk1ypM?si=U-x1HBZnChw1V7iR
https://youtu.be/MbL_XWs05Sg?si=9n0zgwmAKAzx3xuf
this duology is basically iron-clad in how it presents JJ abrams as the major culprit behind the ST being cringe

>>213877388
>Rian is an asshole.
Fucking JJ did that. He killed Han. You guys have goldfish brains.

>>213873208 (OP)
Why did Mike edit the video in a way to make it seem like this guy was mispronouncing Oedipus in a non-facetious way?

>>213883063
ANH was never a particularly good movie, but it was groundbreaking and had a timeless quality. It was emotionally resonant and inspirational
ESB is the only truly great movie of the franchise. A masterpiece, as far as the family-friendly space fantasy genre can yield. Obviously, it pales in comparison to the true cinematic masterpieces of the decade
Everything from RTOJ has ranged from "acceptable shlock with some highlights" to "unwatchable cringe slop"

>>213874580
>>OMG NOOO we don't want serious politics and dark stories
Are you implying that the PT handled these ideas with any modicum of elegance and competence?

>>213884037
>Are they seriously talking about fucking trade negotiations?
They don't "talk" about these things (they don't show them either for that matter). They vaguely allude to these concepts in the most mundane and uninteresting way, just as a pretext to have some action scenes and (poorly defined) "conflict".
The politics were poorly handled in TPM and only the most retarded fanboy could say the contrary.

>>213885313
Or this

https://x.com/Nickelifts/status/1958584279690354822

>>213885313
Elliot let it go, just be happy you got some free exposure from this

At least The Acolyte looked like Star Wars.

>>213885041
Midichlorians

>>213877426
i'm convinced it's mostly paid actors. There's no fucking way those people are for real. It has to be a massive gaslighting operation from mickey globhomouse

>>213885313
>>213885430
Sublime zoomseethe

>>213877426
Protip: It's not only Americans doing it

>>213877671
>JJ didn't ruin SW
He did. The ST was dead on arrival the moment JJ decided (OF HIS OWN VOLITION, NOT DISNEY'S) to carbon-copy ANH

>>213885441
>>213885566
more cope from RLMdrones

>>213877426
Fan conventions have always been a place where nerds go to act weird in public.

>>213873208 (OP)
>"The film was fun and acceptable" 13:01
He lost me with this one. For some reason Mike simply cannot admit he was wrong years ago when he said TFA was everything he wanted. He got caught up in the excitement because he was hungry for new GOOD Star Wars. He proved he's willing to bend his principles for slop.

>>213885410
Were the politics actually poorly handled throughout the prequels? Its kind of interesting that any time some democracy begins to degrade the first thing that millennials seem to quote are the prequels, something lucas did stuck with people. It is maybe the greatest compliment to a kids film that the lessons within it shaped a generations outlook on a topic they were too young to give a shit about.

>>213885316
ESB is a worthy sequel, but because it IS a sequel, and an episode in a serial, it's not as good as ANH, a film that can stand on its own. ANH tells a complete story in a three-act structure with the single loose thread of Vader surviving, which would not have been a very important detail to audiences in 1977. Had there been no further Star Wars films, I think this would have been acceptable to the public, who wouldn't have felt cheated by an unfinished narrative.

ESB, however, assumes an audience that has seen the first film and so it doesn't bother to introduce its principal characters. It ends on a cliffhanger, obliging you to watch ROTJ if you want to know how the story ends. It can't stand on its own, it's dependent on the films that come before and after it, which is a problem because, as we all know, ROTJ is where the decline in quality begins. So ESB cajoles you into watching an inferior film. I'd also argue that ESB has a toxic legacy as the film that got the ball rolling on Star Wars as a never-ending franchise; it was the cornerstone of the multimedia trash factory that churns out things like The Acolyte today.

>>213875149
Your brain is rotted from the culture wars.

The Acolyte, the original concept behind it, was/is great.

>>213886131
Culture War Slopper spotted

love RLM simple as

>>213886028
>it's not as good as ANH
I'm not talking about just the story. I'm talking about the two as FILMS, in all the meanings of the word
ANH has much more static and boring cinematography/camerawork, the editing and sound editing are clunkier and the acting and dialogue are less refined.
ESB is a massive improvement, even though I agree the story structure of ANH has more value

>>213885441
>free exposure from a Disney channel
Gee thanks for nothing.
>>213886131
Acolyte will be deleted off Disney servers, just like Willow, brainrotter.

report all eceleb threads as off topic

>>213873401
watch the video, they directly shoot blame at JJ multiple times

>>213883063
nah, it was always great, but always hokey, and never without flaws.
People who think there is no "cringe" in the OT are genuinely delusional. The cringe is part of the package. It's fun.
the conversation people really aren't ready for is the SE's are better

>>213887239
not cringe, camp. camp is knowingly making something goofy, cringe is when you make something goofy but don't think it is.

>>213887394
Lucas has always been kind of cringe. It's his charm.

>>213887012
>watch the video,

No thanks

>>213875149
>>213875383
>>213886131
Acolyte even without all the dumb anti-Trump shit is fundamentally still an extremely poorly paced show where you may as well just watch the first and last episode and be done with it.

>>213881155
>The only film to come out during Iraq was RotS. The first two released before the conflict and Phantom Menace was well before 9/11. I don’t think the trilogy had much to do with The War on Terror at all.
>>213881584
>It drew some inspiration from it. It wasn't activism disguised as entertainment.
Think this guys post through and you'll understand why one is poisoned by it's message and the other is not.

>>213887494
campy*
lucas is just roger corman with a bigger budget

>>213873208 (OP)
>>213873401
You know they lost the plot when they make connections between the prequels and whatever the fuck Ackolyte was.

Guess we’re not getting a Plinkett rise of skywalker unless Mike wants to buy more studio propslop

>>213885041
Jedi not having kids or being allowed to love is never hinted at in the OT, it's a big plot point in Ep 2 and 3. I'm not gonna pretend I don't get why, it's an obvious reference to priests and Buddhist monks and the like, but it's never even hinted at in the OT. George could've just made up some shit about how Anakin took a vow of celibacy for the force, but that it isn't required for a jedi, only if you really want to be in touch with the force ala Yoda. That would've been fine.

>>213874854
actually mike dishes on the prequels and simultaneously praises them for being better than disney slop
he even reneged on dex jettster, and called him more memorable than anything in disney star wars

>>213887654
he's pretty clearly on the autistic spectrum, and has strange ideas about dialogue

>>213874912
>>213874961
unfathomably based, i'd be proud to share drinks with you fine gents of unparalleled taste.

>>213887739
and yet it works
we call that quirky, not cringe

cringe is the disney approach "WHO'S EXCITED FOR STAR WARS" "IT'S STAR WARS THE GREATEST FUCKING THING ON EARTH" "GIVE US MONEY SO WE CAN MAKE MORE STAR WARS"

>>213873807
funny thing is that the girl they had play the victim in those videos was violently killed IRL

>>213887567
The difference is the War on Terror, both its support and its opposition was genuinely cool. There's nothing cool about the ongoing American Culture War, it's just a bunch of Karens censoring and cancelling everything they don't like.

>>213887738
>actually mike dishes on the prequels and simultaneously praises them for being better than disney slop
>he even reneged on dex jettster, and called him more memorable than anything in disney star wars
he was appreciating only the artistic aspects, he has never changed stance on the story or character writing.
The main actual problem with the prequels is the way georgie boy edited everything and always has been.

>>213887810
No. Lucas is fucking cringe, dude. It's okay to admit it. You can't be hurt by liking some cringe. Jar Jar Binks and glut of Attack Of The Clones is cringe. Accept it. You'll feel better.

>>213875081
Lost so much respect from them for that video.

best part of the video was the old footage of Rich Evans

>>213887871
The War On Terror was fucking embarrassing, dude. How old were you when it happened? Genuinely. I have to know. You can't be out of your 20s now. You sound emotional and developmentally stunted.

>>213887925
i accept that they are goofy and fun
you can keep coping that nobody likes your disney slop and continue consuming product while i'll be enjoying my campy spacekino

>>213887929
>that pic
I had no idea it was that bad.

>>213887680
Oh, they didn't lose the plot, they were always Disney damage control squad.
Find me RLM criticism of Reva, or Osha Mae.

>>213887959
>killing terrorists is just like embarrassing dude
You’re objectively wrong. We didnt know about the lies around that era for at least a decade.

>>213885313
>Unironically going with the "I was just pretending to be retarded" defense.
lmao

>>213873556
1 and 3 are flawed but decent enough and still look good today. Attack of the Clones is the only one that sucks ass.

>>213884750
yes

>>213888050
>We didnt know about the lies around that era for at least a decade
they knew before we invaded, and we knew around 2006 that there were no WMDs

>>213885313
its like their fraud hacks.

>>213887929
>>213888013
Non of it is true though

>>213888078
Okay so 5 years instead of 10. It still was an era for kino it wasn’t embarrassing at all. Nobody thinks about our government when they watch good guys win in a movie.

>>213885316
A New Hope is better than Empire, pleb

if there were no Star Wars toys, would there ESB/ROTJ?
would it be as good a movie.
there might be an ESB. but would it be as good?
just like cartoons in the 80s everything including ESB and after were just toy commercials

>>213888448
star wars had no toys when the original came out, retard.

>>213873208 (OP)
>Mike Stoklasa still shilling for TFA
This man is worse than Pirate software in terms of ego. He literally can’t admit he was wrong about that movie.

>>213888561
oh!
sorry. I answered my own question.
carry on

>>213888561
are you fucking serious?

>>213888448
The Star Wars toys were highly demanded because the movie did so well. Even without the toys you'd probably get the OT out, though some of the decisions made later would have probably been different without toys in mind so ESB and ROTJ wouldn't have been exactly the same movies we got.

>>213888659
kenner toys didn't come out until 1978

>>213887680
> You know they lost the plot when they make connections between the prequels and whatever the fuck Ackolyte was.
And they would’ve maybe had a point if Disney didn’t abandon ship with the high republic era. The problem is people who say “people will love the ST the same way they loved the PT” forget that it wasn’t just the movies people loved but all the supplementary material around it. It had lots of mileage. 2 cartoons, several video games, comics, etc.
>but ST and high republic have those too!!
95% of the supplementary content around the ST is shit just building up to it or taking advantage of the year long gap between 8 and 9. Nobody cared about the high republic books except for the 3 gay people on blusky who liked acolyte. That’s why season 2 got cancelled.

>>213888659
One of the most demanded items for Christmas the year when Star Wars came out was a box with nothing in it except an IOU for a set of Star Wars action figures because the action figures weren't ready to be sold yet.

>>213883432
>buzzwords
Not a counterargument nigger

I haven't seen Acolyte, but I'm actually kind of on board with it, in as much as it's Star Wars set in a new era, with new characters, and seemingly a different story. That's what I want.
I don't expect it to be fantastic, and not to be basically filled with lukewarm feminist bilge, don't get me wrong. That's just SW now.

>>213885313
Hmm. All the little things are starting to add up here. Maybe they really are on the Mouse's payroll.

>>213887871
>the War on Terror, both its support and its opposition was genuinely cool
Not at the time

>>213888978
>>213887959
Sounds like you're a bunch of pussies who get upset no one's recognizing your ten million genders anymore.

>>213881155
The contested W Bush election was supposed to be a fascist nightmare for retarded Hollywood libs and that was in time for Clones and its notoriously late script.

>>213888978
Fahrenheit 9/11 came out a year earlier, at that point the distaste with the war was mainstream enough to have a documentary in major theatres.

>>213877486
>>213878822
He truly was a mentor figure, he just gave a tough pill for his students to swallow.

>>213874580
>we want more...
they never said that

>>213882921
They were playing the long game. Bob Iger had his sights set on Lucasfilm as early as 2005, it was on his shortlist of companies he wanted to acquire along with Pixar and Marvel.

>>213887871
>The difference is the War on Terror, both its support and its opposition was genuinely cool.
Ask The Chicks, Formerly Dixie Chicks.

>>213888898
Yeah they're definetely on the "mouse payroll" after shitting on the last jedi and rogue one yet again
Fucking mong

>>213891845
Not even Disney is defending Last Jedi at this point

>haha look at all these manchild losers talking into a microphone about a dumb star wars show and taking it way too seriously, aren't they pathetic?
>...but I'm different and better than them even though that's exactly what I do because I'm making another video years later where I walk it all back and give an enlightened centrist take on the show instead

>>213873422
>>213873208 (OP)
Abrams put the Let's Wing It worm in Kennedy's head. Buck stops at MUH AQUISITIONS Iger wanting immediate returns on nuWars, instead of doing the decade of multimedia groundwork, like George did leading up to the Prequels. After that, being so tone deaf to hire The Star Trek director— as if they were interchangeable— is on Kennedy. Spielberg's rentboy Abrams being incapable of not-rehashing or underdeveloping what he did cherry pick out of EU references is way down the decision chain to two-time oral agreements to developers his sequel treatments, and involve him as a creative consultant.

>>213873208 (OP)
>We need Michael Bay, but slightly more tasteful
this is why the original is always preferable

>>213873422
The prequels were just bad movies
The sequels were franchise destroying movies
There's a difference

>>213873208 (OP)
Mike really buried himself fellating JJ when ranting about the Prequels. Now he's got to live with that dumb fucking idea the rest of his internet life

>likes The Acolyte
>likes Andor
lol, this fucking guy...

>>213892356
>, instead of doing the decade of multimedia groundwork, like George did leading up to the Prequels.

Forget the prequels, that's what made the MCU so popular compared to the DCU. The MCU actually put in the decade of work to set up their whole "shared universe".

They had the prototype for a functioning share cinematic universe operating within their own company and just ignored it.

>>213873514
Ron Howard probably would have been the best person to direct the prequels, though they would be less weird, that guy managed to direct Solo in about 4 weeks and made a watchable movie in that time, takes a level of skill and practicality that I've never heard any other director pull off

>>213892356
> Iger wanting immediate returns on nuWars, instead of doing the decade of multimedia groundwork, like George did leading up to the Prequels.
This is the thing that always gets me. Star Wars was bought for 4.5 billion. TFA made like what? 2 billion? Sure Disney wouldn’t walk away with all that 2 billion but it at least shows they can afford to take their time and plan shit out. Even if they used Lucas’s treatment, I guarantee you that shit still would’ve made back at least chunk of that 4 billion regardless of how much people shat on the prequels during that time.

>>213882792
>>213882814
Based

>>213873208 (OP)
The whole video was just a thinly veiled attempt to not seem like a bitter old hasbeen to younger audience.

>>213895126
>thinly veiled
doubt

>>213895218
You're right, it's a blatant attempt.

It's time for every Star Wars fan to be killed.

>>213895478
>lose arguments and BTFO multiple times in the thread
>demand every star wars fan be killed

That's being a sore loser