Thread 213883132

Is this seriously the most misunderstood scene in movie history?

>>213883132 (OP)
> Is this seriously the most misunderstood scene in movie history?

>>213883132 (OP)
regardless of whether or not it's misunderstood the scene is still stupid.

>>213883376
He wanted to protect his son from being bullied by people for having the power to crush them like bugs. You wouldn’t get it.

>>213883132 (OP)
The problem is the high levels of autistic people on the Internet who only take thongs literally.

They don't understand undertone, innuendo, hidden meanings.
I bet instead of reading this they'll be too wrapped up in the typo.

>>213883437
> They don't understand undertone, innuendo, hidden meanings

What’s sad is you believe this

>>213883572
Depends where they are on the spectrum. I barely noticed the typo (although I did notice it) but once it was emphasized I now want to see girls in thongs

>>213883132 (OP)
No. It was this scene:

>>213883132 (OP)
HALT MY UNSTOPPABLE LAD

MOS could’ve been better with major changes. Have it start out with him already as Superman doing Superman stuff with flash backs to being raised on Smallville. Him being loved already and then Zod showing up and demanding they hand Superman over to him would’ve been a lot more dramatic. Also him being loved would’ve clashed with paranoid Pa Kent’s “world is not ready” psycho shit

post the fucking squirrel.

>>213883132 (OP)
It's just typical human bashing in media. Pa was right according to the general rules of most fiction like this, in that if you reveal what appears to be a human, to in fact be an alien or other, humanity will just go and shit all over them, experiment on them, etc.

>>213883132 (OP)
No, this is

>>213883132 (OP)
I haven't even watched the movie but apparently he doesn't want Clark to reveal his powers in public
what is the point of controversy?

>>213883132 (OP)
no

>>213883132 (OP)
This one flew way over everyone's heads.

>>213883426
>these people who pose absolutely no threat to you might try to bully you! I'd better commit suicide to keep you safe...

>>213883356
the outfit alone could sustain an essay collection exceeding 240 pages

So what was the msg then?

>>213886653
Yes, retard. Or do you think it's somehow in character for Superman to beat the shit out of regular ass people and destroy humanity in self defense?

>>213886286
>stop, my nutty son

>>213886815
Self-defense from what? There is nothing on earth that is a threat to him.

>>213883132 (OP)
we get the scene you dumb faggot. it was executed retardedly

>>213886738
that superman isn't god.

Snyder losers can cope all they want how “misunderstood” this scene is. All you need to know is MOS was written by Nolan and Goyer and it’s just a refurbished Batman Begins. Since neither like or understand Superman they felt they needed to add a forced tragedy like Bruce seeing his parents get killed. So they have Clark stand there as his dad gets sucked by a tornado. Remember BvS opens with the Wayne’s getting killed and pearls falling. Snyder likely had a orgasm filming that scene

>>213887435
sounds like you don't understand it, batman's lifelong rage is an expression of his helplessness at being unable to do anything. It controls his life. Superman chooses to not intervene an act of temperance. This signifies a form baptism, transmogrification, superman will choose who he becomes and how he will use his power. This is literally directly spelled out by the film, and is central to his relationship with Zod and his ultimate decision to choose humanity over krypton.

>>213887942
Do you think he fucked his adoptive mom after his adoptive dad offed himself needlessly?

>>213887989
child.

>>213888028
I’m pretty sure they all would’ve been age of consent or older in Kansas at that time.

>>213886872
Not initially, but evil men like Lex quickly found something that could hurt him.

>>213883132 (OP)
so was his son invisible or not?

>>213883132 (OP)
Did he make some kind of mistake to end up in that situation and he was telling Clark you can't go around saving everyone because sometimes bad things happen?

I used to think most people were pretending to be retarded because it's funny until I got on twitter and started reading their actual unironic thoughts

>>213883132 (OP)
Mark Waid, one of the greatest comic book writers of all time and a huge Superman fan, actually loved this scene and explained that it made perfect sense and set Clark up to be a real hero and not just some local lifeguard. However, he didn't like almost everything else in the movie, especially how Superman and Zod destroyed half of Metropolis.

>>213883132 (OP)
Pretty much, I watched this flick the other day and it’s pretty dang good, I seriously do not get the online hate boner

>>213888595
>Did he make some kind of mistake to end up in that situation and he was telling Clark you can't go around saving everyone because sometimes bad things happen?
I'm sure Superman took that lesson well when he'd enslave earth if Lois died.

>>213883132 (OP)
Everyone understood it, it's still stupid

Zack the Hack should've really just done the cancer/heart attack/stroke thing instead of this dumbass shit

>>213887942
>Muh deep religious undertones

>>213883132 (OP)
Same dude that chastised him for saving a bus full of kids right? Complete failure to understand the character and small town values that Clark's parents imparted on him. This is another reason nobody respects these movies, they don't even understand the basic premise of the character.

>>213889781
Smallville's Jonathan Kent believed that Clark would one day inspire people and make the world a better place. He treats Clark as an equal and a man and will have a back and forth conversation about why Clark should keep his powers secret. He believed in trusting Clark with the small town values him and Martha imparted on him to make good decisions. Sometimes Clark would make a bad decision, but he always trusted in the end he would try to do what is right. He also is a well defined three dimensional character, he has strengths and weaknesses.

Snyder's Jonathan on the other hand was completely fearful of humanity and what they would do if they discovered Clark. He stoked his son with fear that all people were selfish and easily corruptible. When Clark saves the kids in the bus Jon berates him and basically states that Clark should have let the kids die. And he doesn't have a well defined character, the audience doesn't learn anything about him except that he's untrusting.

>>213883132 (OP)
>retard is given a successful franchise
>retard misunderstands a specific scene
>retard remakes it so his midwit iq can understand it
>retard pretends everyone else is retarded when they make fun of him for being retarded

god's choesn people? more like the people god chose for everyone to make fun of.

>>213883132 (OP)
We understand it just fine, we just think it's stupid.

>>213883132 (OP)
He looks like the guy stopping the tranny from using the bathroom in that one commercial. Is this the movie adaptation of that?

>>213883132 (OP)
Yes. Dad didn't want people to discover his son is an alien.
Redditors: "lol superman is invicible, a tornado wouldn't hurt him"

At time this garbage movie came out Smallville was still on. Smallville fans were almost as obnoxious as Snyder fans. They ridiculed Routh when he was picked and did the same for Cavill because they wanted Tom Welling. On the show in almost every episode, Clark saved people at super speed without being seen and at the start of the show is supposed to be younger than Cavill’s Clark. Clark even saved Lana from a tornado at the end of season 1. MOS also ripped the scene off of Clark trashing the truck

>>213883132 (OP)
People understood it, they just thought it was bad

>>213883437
Hmmm, girls in thongs

>>213888595
No, he just didn't want him to reveal his powers. Which he did anyways, so it didn't even matter.

>>213890101
My only guess is that Snyder wanted someone to give Clark the option to let people die, so it's more "heroic" when he chooses to save them. Very hamfisted though, like how a 12 year old would write it.

TDK was a good film for normies because it made them feel clever. The Joker's exposition perfectly spelled out his philosophy and normal people found it interesting. WB wanted their DCEU movies to be different from Marvel so made it like the Nolan Batman movies. For Man of Steel: Goyer was back writing it, Hans Zimmer back doing the music and Nolan as a producer. Snyder's problem is that he simply does not have the same skill as Nolan to work with the material and make normal people feel clever. Snyder is to Nolan like Roland Emmerich is to Steven Spielberg. Roland Emmerich makes big blockbusters but they feel camp and dump rather than having schmaltzy heart like Spielberg. Nolan films make people feel clever and have good visuals whilst Snyder movies are faux intellectual and just about the visuals. The problem is, this space is where a bunch of fans leapt into, wanting to differentiate themselves from Marvel fans whilst also wanting to lean into Snyder's Nolan pastiche, creating a devoted fanbase of pseudo intellectuals who felt like Man of Steel had important things to say.

The problem with Man of Steel is rather like Watchmen where visually they can feel straight up out of a comic but meaningfully they miss the point. I am not even referring to the Squid ending, but read scenes like Rorschach tracking down the missing girl and compare it to the film and visually it might look similar but meaningfully? Vastly different. Snyder misses the point but because he is so close to it, it tricks people into thinking there is meaning there. I got Man of Steel I just felt it was hollow without really much to say but then these people argue it was just super subtle and overintellectualise it.

Jonathan dying in something like All Star Superman is:
>You can't save everyone despite your powers.
Jonathan dying in Smallville is:
>Consequence of Clark saving Lana via Jor-El fucking with time.
Jonathan dying in Superman (1978) is:
>Random from a heart attack spurring Clark to leave.
Jonathan dying in Man of Steel is:
>He doesn't want you to reveal your powers even though you could totally save him.
I feel like all the other ones have a lesson or a story beat:
>Despite being all powerful people die.
>Wanting to drastically change things has consequences.
>Can't stay home forever.
Man of Steel just feels eh?

>>213890658
Spot on. BVS is even worse in this regard, absolutely retarded movie.

>>213890658
>Snyder is to Nolan like Roland Emmerich is to Steven Spielberg.
I remember talking to someone who really liked Sucker Punch and compared it to Inception. That comparison is really apt.

>>213890101
Except he literally sacrifices himself to save an entire bridge and keep Clark’s secret? How do you guys miss the point? Watch as I do not as I say or whatever that saying is, it’s not rocket science- he did impart his wisdom and courageness on Clark, hence why Clark never stops saving people and revealing his powers before he gets the suit, Johnathan wanted to protect his son from the freakin government dissecting him, he tells Clark pretty bluntly that when he’s older he’ll have the decision to make, but he found putting a child under thag pressure ridiculous

You niggas did not watch the movie bro im convinced

>>213886203
>just go out and start saving people lol
He was literally a country bumpkin that was bullied throughout school and had the most incredible puberty experience of anyone on earth
Having him be some washed up loner moving from odd job to odd job is perfect because it demonstrates how he truly doesn’t belong anywhere and always finds himself overreacting when he tries to do a good thing

>>213883437
He didn't do anything to this little gorl

>>213892524
Don’t care. Clark Kent would never let his dad get sucked up by a tornado. He would’ve saved him even if Snyder’s mentally ill Pa Kent never spoke to him again. He would be alive and his mom wouldn’t be a widow. Only Man of Murder’s Clark would stand there

>>213892524
>Except he literally sacrifices himself to save an entire bridge
Johnathan doesn't save a bridge wtf are you on about. Jonathan saves a dog and then dies. He literally dies for a dog.

>>213893129
Clark Kent isn’t Peter Parker

>>213892524
This guy gets it.
It blows my mind how people don't understand MoS.

>>213893288
You’re brown and gay

>>213883132 (OP)
>misunderstood
you mean "being laughed at" ?

>>213892524
>he literally sacrifices himself to save an entire bridge
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you implying he distracted the tornado or something?

>>213892524
The whole point of Superman is yes he has super powers, but it's his values and being raised in small town America to care for others and his community and help people that made him become the superhero he is.
There is nothing of that from MoS. Jonathan is a hateful, spiteful human being
>Clark: What was I supposed to do? Just let them die?
>Jonathan Kent: Maybe; but there's more at stake here than our lives or the lives of those around us.

>>213883132 (OP)
This scene is still retarded even if you agree with what Pa Kent did. The underside of a bridge is one of the worst places you could hide during a tornado because it just turns into a giant wind tunnel. No one who lives in the dustbowl would ever do that.

>>213893197
>Dont care
Then just say that nigga stop tryna act like you know jackshit about writing or films

>>213893227
Johnathan does way more than that either you didn’t watch the movie or forgot what happens

>>213893765
Did you not see all the people he helped get to safety including the dog? Of course you did, unless you didn’t actually watch the movie?

>>213893788
So you have to be ai because I literally JUST explained to you, what happened- and you repeated your same point, is this a shill? Are you paid off by Gunn? i feel like I lose brain cells talking about MOS on here and I didn’t even care about the film until this nonsensical discourse took place

>>213893860
>Johnathan does way more than that either you didn’t watch the movie or forgot what happens
Bro no he didn't he literally only saved the family dog and his foot got trapped. He didn't save anybody else.

>>213893895
A dog isn’t a person

>>213893895
>all the people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yodVQ5QAc88
Are you talking about the part where he's just waving people towards the bridge? How is that a sacrifice?

>>213893923
You didn't explain anything, you just made up a bunch of bullshit.

>>213892524
>sacrifices himself
by saving a fucking old dog that viewers never see again. Instead of letting his invincible son doing it in the first place.
This scene has the same problem as "zop snapped neck" scene. Saving 'literal who never been seen b4 family' when they just leveled a whole city. Why the fuck should viewers care if some randos are dead or not anymore.
Bad writing

>why Clark never stops saving people
literally enslave human in Knightmare, and it's not even a "what if" scenario when you have time a travelers who says it will happen.
No consistency
>from the freakin government dissecting him,
at no point they say gov will do and can do that even later on they show gov can't do shit because superman is too powerful. It's a scenario that never happened regardless of their course of actions. Pa kent is just being paranoid for no reason. Bad writing.
>he tells Clark pretty bluntly that when he’s older he’ll have the decision to make
Clark looks 35+ & ready to sex in this scene when he's supposed to be 16. Yea I'm sure that's good way to deliver that message.
Bad casting

Even AI could write better than this

>>213893860
Watch the fucking movie first, Snyder pajeet: >>213893971

>>213894009
Ok then why should anyone care about Superman saving anyone if that’s your defense? We’re never going to see them again, how primitive.

Last reply for you

>>213893597
SQUIRREL NOOOO

>>213893971
Did you not see him grab the girl? Are you being selectively blind? He immediately rushes in to direct people to safety and check to see who needs help.

Are you purposely dense? Is admitting that you might have been wrong about a movie scene that important to you? Just ignoring what happens on screen?

Last reply for you

>>213894112
It's not a sacrifice until after he hands the girl off to Clark and runs back towards the cars. You have poor media literacy or you just don't understand the word 'sacrifice'.

>>213883132 (OP)
Couldn't he have just moved so fast that nobody could see him save his dad?

>>213893821
Snyder is a hack and MOS is garbage. No amount of coping is going to make shit like this less terrible. He sucks so bad he couldn’t even keep a show on Assflix with the most loyal brain dead built in audience that will watch any garbage they put out

there was NO REASON for him to leave the ship like this

>>213894257
Kino

Terrible writing

>>213894237
he still didn't discover superspeed o algo

>>213894257
Snydersexuals will tell you this is subtle

>>213894501
That is the first power Clark gets. Total bullshit

>>213883132 (OP)
Who has ever misunderstood the scene? It's so on the fucking nose, so blunt that the only disagreement about the scene is whether it's 'super duper too deep 4 you' or if it's utterly retarded.

>>213894078
>>213894112
>Last reply for you
Is that like your catchphrase whenever you feel your idiocy is showing?

>>213883132 (OP)
People understand it they just don’t like it. The REAL misunderstanding is the killing of Zod. It was completely precedented, justified, and heroic. You don’t hear anyone bitching about it anymore since Gunn says his Superman kills too.

>>213886286
>let squirrel die

I want to know how the fuck the MOS script was even approved. How the fuck did nobody look at it and go
“So Clark who can move real fast is just going to stand there and watch his dad die for really no reason? And then just a few pages later he uses his powers to destroy some rednecks truck? Also he uses his power in front of a bunch of oil workers. He uses them so much Lois is able to figure out it’s him”

>>213883132 (OP)
DIE MY INVINCIBLE SON, FUCKING DIE

>>213894980
Because some people are normal and aren’t a manchild sperge like you that draws a line at such insignificant scenes. Faggot.

>>213883132 (OP)
>in movie history?
I swear Snyderfags have seen exactly three films.

>>213894980
You know what makes it even more retarded, other than of course that Jonathan deciding he is the better fit for going to save the dog than Clark, is that Clark has plenty of time to run over to the cars in normal human sprint speed to save or help his dad when he sees the hurricane getting too close.

>>213895118
No, it’s shit writing. Good writing would be Clark having to make a tough decision like save a bunch of people from the tornado while his dad is on the other side of it and gets sucked into it. Not standing there for no reason.

>>213883132 (OP)
>NO NO NO! Superhero movies aren’t supposed to be good looking, thoughtful, and introspective! They should be corny goofy turn-your-brain-off fun!
>Why are superhero movies so crappy and failing worldwide???
Like many others I grew up on the timmverse (never read a dc comic in my life and don’t care to) but to act like this movie is a betrayal of that and DC in general is such a ridiculous lie. DC has prided in taking itself seriously, making plenty of things dark and political. JLTAS+U stacked and stacked on this kinda stuff. S2025 falling below MoS is anything but unexpected.

OP here, I posted this before work this morning and I am glad it is still up. I had to explain this scene to jeets earlier who ended up blocking me because they couldn't refute it.

The scene clearly isn't about if Clark could save his father or not, it's the complete opposite actually. It's about him accepting Pa as his actual, father figure as a plain, human son. Something Pa always saw in Clark first, and something he always put above all else when it came to him. For example, the scene literally opens up with Clark saying "I don't have to listen to you, you're not my real dad" and the scene ends with him, well, listening to his father wishes; even if he is conflicted about them. Something you see him struggling with in the aftermath and in the sequel. Where we learn WHY Johnathen is so conflicted about heroism. (The drowning of the horses)

Another point of the scene is how Pa's selfless act of saving a dog, without the intent of Clark saving him (he went in without expecting Clark to save him) is both expressing the heroic compassion and altruism that Clark later encompasses and adopts; it stems from his father. It's literally the gunnslop squirrel scene done better.

But mostly, here is Clark accepting Jonathan's wishes of him being a human son with a human father. And a human son cannot save a human father in that situation. And that's just the final truth of the narrative being explored here.

And one last thing, the use of the Tornado, in literary terms, is usually a symbol for abrupt change in ones life into adulthood. Which is what Clark undergoes here. All in all, it's a great scene that nothing in Pedoslop could ever amount to. So I say this to you, gunnjeets. Refute this.

>>213895118
>insignificant scenes
Jonathan’s death is in fact a very significant scene

>>213893597
THIS IS NUTS

>>213887989
Absolutely, that's why he calls her Martha.

>>213895443
>But mostly, here is Clark accepting Jonathan's wishes of him being a human son with a human father. And a human son cannot save a human father in that situation. And that's just the final truth of the narrative being explored here.

A human son could have saved his father there. From the moment Clark notices the tornado is getting too close, he has almost a full minute to run over and help his dad get out of there. The only reason Jonathan dies is him getting his foot stuck for a little under 10 seconds and injuring it to get it out so he can't run, so he can't escape the storm. But before that, it took Jonathan a much shorter time frame to reach the car the dog was trapped in, so Clark, even limited to believable human speed, could have easily made it over to Jonathan to get him out of there.
The only reason Jonathan dies is because Clark just stands there and watches for almost a full minute, before Jonathan even raises his hand to tell him no.

>>213895745
Then they both would die trying to free his father? See how stupid you sound?

>>213895787
No, the son just throws his injured dad over his shoulder and carries him out of there.

>>213895831
While a tornado is 30 seconds behind you? Why would a father even risk his son to do that? It's even more akin to do what Pa Kent did towards their son. Why would they want to put their child in danger?

>>213895876
Yes, over to under the bridge. If the bridge saves everyone else, that's as far as they need to make it to be safe. And if Clark rushes over as soon as he sees the tornado is getting close, he has more than enough time to get Jonathan to the bridge.
Why would a father go kill himself when he has an invisible son that could go save the dog? Why would he insist he, being slower, be the one to go die for the dog?

>>213895941
>still missing the point
The point being is that Pa Kent believes he does not have an invisible son and Clark accepts that. It's not that hard to comprehend. And No. No matter how many goalposts you want to move, a human boy cannot save a human man in 30 seconds from a tornado without risking himself.

>>213895993
And Clark ONLY begins to accept that when he finally accepts Johnathen as his HUMAN father figure. Which rounds out the beginning of the scene like I addressed. Media literacy that low for you nowadays huh gunnjeet?

Why the fuck did he tell his invincible son to take his mother to a bridge 5 feet away while he went and got the dog? Why didn't he take his wife and let invincible son effortlessly save the dog?

>>213896033
Because he does not see Clark as a being with powers or a God, why is this so hard to understand? He literally loves him as a human son. No powers. No god. Nothing.

>>213896033
Because the meta narrative of the story and character development demanded it

>>213895993
Jonathan knows full well that Clark has superpowers and is durable to the point of practical invincibility.
You say human boy, in that scene does Clark look like a little fucking boy? As portrayed, him without the superpowers is easily strong enough and fast enough to sprint over when he sees the tornado getting too close, which speeds up the saving of the dog and getting Jonathan out of the car and back to safety. Go watch the scene, it's way more than 30 seconds Clark has to run over, its much closer to a full minute, and it took Jonathan less than 15seconds to reach the cars in the first place. And Clark, even as a "human boy" would be running faster than old man Kent.

>>213894659
>allows his half retarded half brother die willingly in a black hole
Winning

>>213896179
retarded "people" don't deserve to live

>>213896091
Just because he loves him as his human son does not mean he doesn't know that Clark has literal super powers and that nothing on earth can hurt him at all.

>>213896091
So he traumatized his son and made him watch his father get brutally crushed to death instead of just letting him save a dog with zero chance of injury?

>>213896091
So why did he abandon his child to save a dog?

>>213896178
Again. Johnathan Kent literally stresses that Clark is just a human son to him. He goes out to save the dog without the intent of help from Clark. And again, it's about Clark respecting his father wishes. You seem to be ignoring that big fact which is literally the internal conflict and crux of the film. You seem to NOT understand that it's meant to be a tragic moment of complexity, whether it's right or wrong—he's doing out of the reverence of his humanity which is his father's wishes. Ain't that hard to comprehend gunnjeet. It's more human than ANY moment with the Kent's in Gunnslop. Even Clark calling his mom in the middle of the night in BvS, because he's still struggling with being Superman, has the same amount of emotional depth as this scene. Cope harder gunnjeet. Your movie can never amount to anything great, not even 670million dollars.

>>213896091
>>213895993
>>213895443
>>213892524
>>213887942
That’s it I’m a Zack Snyder fan now. Where do I go from here bros?

>>213889781
It was also mentioned in an interview that Krypto was a regular puppy that Johnathon put down to teach Clark the value of life.

>>213896284
India

>>213896233
There's like hundreds of gunnjeets alive in this thread rn wym anon

>>213896235
Right and to him, that doesn't exist or matter cause Clark is human in his eyes. There's the scene earlier when the parents are professing that Clark is God or a miracle for saving the kids on the bus. And Pa Kent visually shows displeasure in his face when they mention Clark as "divine". He rolls his eyes and goes outside and thats when the whole "you are my son" scene takes place. Pa Kent does not see a God when he sees Clark, he sees his son. When he is sacrificing himself, he sees his son, not a God. And Clark accepts that, in honor of him. Because he realizes he loves his dad. Again, not that hard to comprehend Gunnjeet.

>>213896033
Because he’s stubborn!

>>213896281
>He goes out to save the dog without the intent of help from Clark.
Yes, and that's just one of the many retarded decisions everyone in the scene makes. It was simply the dumbest thing the character could do in that moment, for no other reason than so he could be killed off.
>And again, it's about Clark respecting his father wishes
Problem with that is, his fathers 'wishes' and choices is objectively and subjectively just absolutely idiotic as presented in the scene. There was no reason for him to die there, other than the script making him go kill himself. Might as well have had him run into a burning building to die, while Clark stands outside watching.

>>213896241
It's meant to be tragic and conflicting anon, it's basically the crux of the film and the provocation in Clark's life

>>213896380
In the United States Americans kill themselves over their pets all the time. Pet fell in River, man enters River, Pet survived, man drowns.

>Problem with that is, his fathers 'wishes' and choices is objectively and subjectively just absolutely idiotic as presented in the scene. There was no reason for him to die there, other than the script making him go kill himself. Might as well have had him run into a burning building to die, while Clark stands outside watching.

Pa Kent wanted Clark to be ready, which he wasnt

>>213896380
It’s a superhero film, you’re grasping for straws to poke holes in something that’s inherently illogical, any Superman story can be nitpicked by asking why he didn’t use his demigod powers to to just rectify the situation before it ever took place- that’s not the point.

>>213896361
So your argument is that Jonathan just simply forgot that Clark has super powers? Are you really doing the "Dany kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet" bullshit from Game of Thrones argument?

>>213896380
>saving dog is bad, saving squirrel is good
Again, missing the point of the dog saving.
>objectively and subjectively idiotic
Wrongo. Objectively, this whole scene is about how Clark is HUMAN not a GOD. He is a MAN, A SON with NO powers. SUBJECTIVELY it's showing you how Clark is influenced by his now reclaimed father (in his eyes) by introducing this conflicting dilemma, but understanding the importance of altruism and heroism that his father portrayed. (Selflessly acting to save the dog). Not that hard to comprehend anon

>>213886286
SQUIR-REL NO

>>213896478
Wtf? NO. Clark is literally restraining himself out of reverence for his father. Pa Kent loves his human son not Superman.

>>213883132 (OP)
I wouldn’t say it’s misunderstood people just refuse to accept it as it is. Just like the “Martha!” scene in BvS. It’s ripped by the type of people who giggled at discussions of love or kissing scenes as kids in school.

>>213896518
I agree with you anon.

>>213896440
>In the United States Americans kill themselves over their pets all the time
They rarely stand by and watch them die in a situation they could easily rescue them from, unless one or both are sociopaths.
Bravo Snyder, turning Pa into a sociopath and Superman into an autistic loser.

>>213896549
The scene is hacky, but based

>>213896513
His reverence for his father's ideals of selfishly letting people die so Clark doesn't have any challenges in life?

>>213896556
No, it's objectively retarded, a standout in Goyer's long career of incredibly stupid scenes.
Del Toro was intelligent enough to dustbin Goyer's worst ideas, Snyder is too low IQ to realize he's filming retardation.

>>213896440
>Pa Kent wanted Clark to be ready, which he wasnt
Clearly, since Clark didn't go save his dad even though he had amble opportunity. If the goal of the scene was to undermine Pa Kent as a role model with advice and lessons for Clark that he would later need when he takes on the role of Superman, then the scene succeeded in doing that. But that lessens what Jonathan should be to his son. Knowing his son isn't ready just makes it even dumber for him to go get himself killed for no reason at all.

>>213896463
No, I'm pointing out that a regular human could have saved Jonathan in the scene, which makes the entire construction of it to justify the sacrifice from Jonathan poorly done, which undermines it.

>>213896575
What part of you not understanding that Clark is conflicted about it too do you not understand? Do you not understand why Pa Kent is like that? Do you not understand that he is meant to be a tragic character who JUST wants to love his son? Gunnjeets really do need things spelt out for them holy shit.

The whole Horse drowning story in BvS is why Johnathen is the way he is towards Clark and why he is conflicted about everything in the first place. He sees this new idea of hope (from his own failure) in Clark—that someday, he will fulfill what he himself wanted to be. They talk about this literally at the end of MoS.

>>213890101
>how online idiots heard the scene:
>"yes clark. not only should you have let those children die, you should have snapped their necks yourself so there were no witnesses"
>how it actually happens in the film:
>"i don't know"

sometimes it's like the people that watched MOS saw a different film.

>MOS Superman: Israel
>Gunn Superman: Palestine

Has anyone explained how this scene is misunderstood yet?

>>213896549
>>213896657

Clark wasn't Ready.

>>213896513
So do you believe in the afterlife Pa Kent is disappointed that his son is saving people, that he's become Superman instead of just living as a normal human?

>>213896233
you're welcome to kys

>>213896708
No. Espeically if you interpret the mountain scene as his ghost.

>>213896708
No, Man Of Steel Pa Kent said whoever you'll be, good.man or not, that msn will change the world! He wanted Clark to be Ready!

>>213896657
Superman fans: Superman teaches you to sacrifice and be a good person

Superman fans: >durrr man going to save dog and telling his son to not rescue him is dumb durrr!!

You’re all such fucking frauds, you just want a power fantasy

>>213896660
What kind of sociopath do you think Jonathan is that he is actively against his son saving people, all over some autistic need to see him as "just his son"?

>>213896380
If you're still taking the work at face value and judging it according to "reality," rather than judging it as a literary representation of abstract ideals manifested thru a set of existential allegories, then you will just never fully understand why different things in MoS and BvS occurred.

See, all this DEEP analysis of Clark and Jonathan's motives is pointless.
The scene is: Pa Kent, one of the two people Clark loves and cherishes above all others in the world, is about to get horribly creamed by a disaster. That he can save him from. He's seconds away from being dismembered in front of his loving wife and son.
And we are expected to believe that Clark has been raised with the sort of character to not only hesitate; but to be waved off of Pa's rescue.
It's so completely pants-on-head retarded that there's nothing else in the movie that can make up for it. Snyderman is forever the guy that ALLOWED one of his parents to die violently while he watched.
The DCEU flopped around for a while longer, they made real money copying MCU-style with Aquaman and Wonder Woman and less retarded directors....but the Tornado literally tore the soul of the DCEU and doomed it.

>>213896740
>>213896741
And yet the argument presented for that is that Jonathan just wants to love "his human son", not Superman. If that's what he wants according to you, then clearly every time Clark saves someone, especially after putting on the cape, he is actively spitting on his grave.

>>213896512
SQUIRR-EL

>>213896754
Not all sacrifices are good, part of being a good person is making smart and considered choices.

>>213896762
Bro Superman fanboys just want Superman to a perfect power fantasy where he’s able to be godlike with no actual resistance and no one ever gets killed and he never gets proven wrong or taken to the limit morally or ideologically by any other character, thats why they love Gunn’s superslop

They understand man of steel, they know exactly what played out and why, they’re not stupid- they’re just manchildren, they’re not mad John died they’re mad because Clark didn’t show off his Demi god powers and save the day, they tell on themselves with the “invincible son” that’s all they care about.

>>213896771
>And we are expected to believe that Clark has been raised with the sort of character to not only hesitate; but to be waved off of Pa's rescue.
amigo, that's literally what the scene is telling you. Pa kent didn't think a 16 year old was ready to become a super hero. Why is that so hard to understand? Did you see Mulan? remember when the old father goes off to war instead of his daughter? it's the same thing.

>>213896754
Pa Kent, I love how Goyer Nolan Snyder handled it, was terrified of who and what Clark may be. Earlier, because of his fear, he told Clark that maybe, until he's ready, it might have been best not to expose his powers, even if kids died. The horror Jonathan must have felt, being Guardian to a kid that could Solo Godzilla.

>>213896771
>clark respects his dads wishes? he wasn’t raised like that
Pick an angle schizo

>>213896813
Riiiight- how convenient, so I guess saving a squirrel while people are dying is smart?

>>213896756
He literally says why anon. Pay attention next time brain fogger

>>213896817
Upvote

>>213896762
I'm judging the execution of those ideals and allegories and pointing out that they are poorly constructed. As presented, what the films tries to accomplish it falls short of doing, and instead undermines itself through it's construction.

>>213896817
They
Do Not
Want Superman
To be
The Guy
Who stood
And watched his Father
die horribly
While he could have prevented it.
It's up there with the Idea that Bruce led his parents into the alleyway in hopes they'd be killed.
It is sub-retarded storytelliing. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Superman lore, there was no obligation to have it work that way. It's just completely tone-deaf stupid. And only stupid people and trolls defend it.

>>213896790
Think of it this way, Jonathan admonished Clark that maybe it would have been best to let those kids die because Jonathan saw the overreaching cost, Humanity. He didn't know if Clark was the first of an invasion or an actual hero, all he knew was, what if this kid Crashes Out?

>>213896790
He literally said someday he will be superman and fulfill that anon. He just feared the reality of the situation since he went through something similar at an early age, but now it's his adoptive son who has 1000% more power than his childhood problem. All he is now trying to do is raise him like a son, with the things he knows from his own experiences. Like a father does, gunnjeet. Sorry you wouldn't know.

>>213896849
Who was dying while the squirrel was being saved? The entire Kaiju battle is showing Superman saving everyone and everything over and over again, to the point that he's so effective at it that people are walking up to the battle just to watch it as spectacle, instead of running away in horror.

>>213896883
Superman in 2025 saves a squirrel while people are dying and turns himself into the government during a full scale global conflict- how many people died there?

>>213896715
struck a nerve there huh

>>213896889
See, this I recognize to be actual trolling.

>>213896852
Yes. According to that retard, it's more important for Jonathan that Clark stays "just his son" than it is him becoming Superman and saving countless lives. No wonder throughout the Snyder films Clark cares so little about saving lives....

>>213896931
Gunnshit is not a defense of Snydershit.
Sorry, but it just isn't.

>>213896891
>All he is now trying to do is raise him like a son
But that's not true either.

>>213896945
the whole thing is about clark doing that when he's ready. Pa kent didn't think a high schooler was ready for that.

>>213883426
Its funny that by being so obtuse you kind of proved schneider right for including it.
Dad Kent's whole point was Clark needs to live among them as much as possible, because if you separate yourself from humans you instantly lose touch. I think your saying "why doesn't he just squish the people that don't like him" which is retarded

>>213896910
So you just want a power fantasy. Got it.

>>213883132 (OP)
No, everyone understands the horrible attempt at storytelling and failing to do what a hokey tween drama did better with the same characters.

>>213896970
Kids younger than Clark have saved their families and or friends from tragedy. 8 yr old kids have saved the whole family from house fires.
IT IS DUMB.

>>213896943
Personally, I blame Goyer Nolan Snyder for thinking you lot weren't permanently retarded!!!
This is about JONATHAN KENT'S FEARS! He didn't read the Superman wiki or.saw any of the media or read any of the comics!! He's a normal guy caught in an extraordinary situation!!!!!

>>213896945
Actually if you weren’t such a stupid brown nigger if he stayed as just his son unironically zod would never have come to earth and millions would have been spared you stupid dalit subhuman

>>213883132 (OP)
>the most misunderstood scene in movie history
you gotta watch a lot more movies, you fucking casual piece of shit. Holy fucking Jesus Christ.

>>213896970
>Pa kent didn't think a high schooler was ready for that.
And therefore, it made more sense for him to go kill himself in the tornado than simply having his invincible son go save the dog instead?

>>213897006
but they don't make that their entire job for the rest of their lives. how is it that hard to understand?

>>213896960
In this case it is, because you motherfuckers act like Snyder sullied the Superman name when he’s always been a bullshit whose stories don’t make any sense when you factor in his godlike powers and what he chooses to do with them, Snyder actually brings to this for the forefront instead of making him a manchild power fantasy and we have to act like he’s Hitler when Gunn dropped the biggest turd of a film ever, get the fuck out of here

>>213897022
You realise Jonathan Kent was in horror daily, yeah?

>>213886286
fucking hell im so retarded for always laughing every time i see that pic

>>213897024
>but they don't make that their entire job for the rest of their lives
SAVING HIS FATHER FROM HORRIBLE DEATH =/= I MUST NOW DON A CAPE AND HEAD TO THE CITY TO FIGHT CRIME, YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER

>>213897022
yeah. rather than force his son to go down a path he didn't want for him, he chose to die. how is that so hard to understand?

>>213897044
For me, it's picrel

>>213896771
I just want you to take some time and look at BvS as the fallout and fulfilled prophecy of things mentioned in MoS.

Why did Pa Kent sacrifice himself to keep Clark's powers a secret? Because he knew that the instant his secret was revealed that extreme consequences would follow. So, we saw in both MoS and BvS, that as soon as Superman's existence was revealed to the world that that all the powers that be -- the governments, crime syndicates, and the deep state (Lex Corp and ARGUS) -- immediately began conspiring to control and/or assassinate him.

Think about that. If a younger clark had saved Pa Kent and his secret revealed, would he have been ready for what followed? Would he have been mature enough to maintain his own moral compass in the face of the psychos of the world conspiring against him? Or would he have lacked maturity and lashed outat humans violently? Or even started a war against the people of Earth?

>>213897017
Isn't the reason why Clark goes looking for the Kryptonian ship that calls Zodd and the others because he is wandering aimlessly across the US after having lost his father figure, searching for meaning and purpose?

>>213897028
No, no. Lester started ruining Superman, Singer picked up where Lester left off, people thought "we will never see a Superman as depressing and autistic as Routh" and Snyder said "Hold my beer".

>>213886286
STOP MY NUTTY NIGGAA

>>213896987
Not what I said, just pointed out your cheap shot at the 2025 film was just wrong.

>>213897094
The ship would have activated anyway because THE MILITARY WAS DIGGING TOWARDS IT!!!!

>>213897055
because that could draw attention to clark. it could expose his secret. and then what? what happens to clark after people find out he has super powers? can clark just choose to live a normal life then if he wants?

This retard has super hearing and hears people suffering and dying every day yet plays news reporter and his fans act like an emotionally polarizing scene where he respects his fathers wishes is character assassination suck my dick

>>213897130
It was only activated by the doohicky from Clark's baby ship, the memory module.

>>213897138
You're confuse because This is about, JONATHAN KENT'S FEARS!

>>213897122
It wasn’t, Gunn saying “well actually nobody died.” Isn’t a defense, it’s stupid, schlock, makes Superman a power fantasy instead of a character with actual stakes

But omg he saved the HECKING squirrel! >millions of humans dying that he can hear btw

>>213897138
>because that could draw attention to clark. it could expose his secret. and then what? what happens to clark
Well, he isn't torn to shreds in front of Martha. So on the balance, I think you stop someone in your immediate family from being ripped to shreds, then figure out the consequences of that.

>>213897161
The robot attacked Clark, putting in the cpu, Stopped the defense mechanisms!

>>213897171
*confused

>>213897171
that's literally what i typed. are you retarded?

>>213897056
I gotta give you credit, it's a new take that Jonathan is analogous to a father killing himself over their child not being what they wanted them to be, like those parents who disown a kid for being gay or autistic or any other way they don't live up to whatever ideal the father has.

>>213896861
>>213896883
So let me ask you a question. Does the scene emotionally upset you? I'm guessing that people are rationalizing their discomfort with the scene and saying it shouldn't have happened that way. Hindsight is 20/20, but you have to accept the tragedy of the choices made that day. These are choices that continue to haunt Clark in the same way they haunt you. "It shouldn't have happened," you say; "he could have saved him." Those are the same thoughts swirling around in Clark's mind as well.

>>213897194
It also activated the SHIP, and sent the beacon.
The robot was just there to stop people fucking with the ship.

>>213897130
Only Clark could activate it. So what Jonathan achieved was that instead of his son facing Zodd after years of experience as Superman, he now has to do it in his very first outing.

>>213897192
>literally talking about the immediate aftermath of the scene

what would you do if you found out some 16 year old kid in america had superpowers? what would you demand of him? anything?

>>213897214
I am, Sorry about that, RETURNING TO THE DAFNE THREAD

>>213896941
just following your advice >>213896233

>>213897235
>Does the scene emotionally upset
It intellectually disappoints me. I have been disappointed by Superman movies for decades, so I can't say I was upset. I was upset when the Kryptonians get sucked into the Phantom Zone, and I realized there was yet another arc of overlong fighting left in this already overlong movie.

>>213897256
I wouldn't attempt to murder his Father so his Mother loses their family farm....

>>213897176
The stakes are higher if it's established that the character will try to save anyone and everyone he can in a fight because that makes him vulnerable. But if the character doesn't care about collateral damage at all, like with Snyder's Superman, then there are no stakes to seeing skyscrapers fall and thousands upon thousands of people dying off screen. Which then undermines that final neck snap where suddenly Superman does care about saving some people, despite the fact that for the past 20 minutes in the film he hasn't cared at all.

>>213897307
what would you do? would you vote for a politician that thinks he should work for the US government? would you vote for a politician that thinks extra restrictions should be placed on him? would you buy products from a company that uses him as a private police force?

>>213897327
he does save people during every single fight. he just can't save everyone. he literally throws zod into space to try and take the fight out of the city.

>>213897235
No, why would it affect me emotionally? The problem with a scene, or any piece of art really, being poorly constructed is that it reminds the viewer that it's artificially, that it's manipulative and that breaks the illusion of it being real, of it being serious. I can see what the director and the writers wanted to do, and then I just see how they utterly failed to do it well.

>>213897338
I've found that voting for a politician to do "X" seems to have little effect on whether "X" will actually be done (or released), so I am somewhat jaded. What I think rich/powerful/famous people should or shouldn't do doesn't really matter, but you seem to think otherwise.

>>213897327
Why did anyone die at all. Remember the huge alien ship was using a gravity ray that expanded several dozen feet every 3 seconds. It was loud and impressive and shaking and quaking!
When the towers fell they caused a 2.4 earth quake like register.
So you're telling me, an hour after dozens of world trade collapses most.people remained?. RETARDED people deserve to die!

>>213897056
>rather than force his son to go down a path he didn't want for him,

Anon, Pa Kent not wanting Superman to be Superman is why this scene is so widely mocked.

>>213897235
Holy shit btfo

>>213897372
>he literally throws zod into space to try and take the fight out of the city.
Zod can fly very fast at this point, so throwing him accomplishes nothing. And it's subverted by the fact that his first fight with Zod is him dragging Zod TO the only major population center in the otherwise empty area.

>>213897440
Unlike Lois, who can apparently teleport miles instantly to be at Superman's upset side, people cannot travel far fast in a dense city. Especially one being earthquaked.

>>213897372
No, it's Zod that literally tackles Superman into space while flying. In the 1 v 1 between them, Superman doesn't save a single person until the very end when he snaps his neck, and he makes zero effort to take the fight out of the city.

The biggest problem with MOS is that Clark makes zero real decisions
>Let dad die because dad told him to
>Time to become superman because real dad ai told me to
>Reveal myself because zod put a gun to earth's head
>Fight/kill zod because he wants to destroy earth and says repeatedly that he won't stop until you kill him

>>213897399
Art doesnt have to be real. Men with capes flying around, is that real?

It's inherently a work of fiction and not reality.

>>213883132 (OP)

Yeah the whole point is he's just a normal person with feelings despite all his power and his parents just wanted to protect him from the shitty world.

>>213897440
Do you have any idea how long it takes to evacuate people in that kind of situation?

>>213897447
*before he's ready
I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand that point, Pa Kent says it multiple times.

>>213897527
Name one decision Superman has ever had to make in his life

>>213897540
Art neither has to be real, nor can it ever be real. But it has to pretend to be real, to feel real, to create the illusion of real. If the audience can see the past the illusion, it has failed.

>>213897504
Who said it was miles, looked like a couple of blocks to me.

>>213897504
Well, the buildings, that were collapsing, and the military and the media would have emptied the buildings at least. The North and South Tower emptied Several Thousands in less than an hour.

>>213897546
So living with the memory of NOT saving his father from a grisly death is meant to spare his emotions.....that's the mental gymnastics you are attempting here?

>>213897637
> The North and South Tower
Nearly everyone died

>>213897548
They, at the very least would have evacuated the buildings! Try again!!!!!

Zack Snyder is just David DeCoteau with a budget.

>>213897667
Those towers could have held 18 thousand people! What the hell are you on about?

>>213897602
>Art has to pretend to be real
No, it doesn't.

>>213897563
>before he's ready

But he's an adult in the tornado scene.

>>213897698
>haters gonna hate

>>213893597
I can't believe Cavill let Peanut die like that

>>213897667
And only 3 thousand died! Second part was my shock because of your, everyone died, comment.

>>213897525
Nigga he saves army guy falling out a helicopter

>>213897637
>looked like a couple of blocks to me.
See you are doing it again. You are inventing the movie you want to defend, not the actual movie Snyder filmed. Zod and Supes plunge to earth on the far side of the sity, at supersonic speeds, right ahead of these satellite fragments. Nowhere near Lois at all.

They fight for SECONDS, then Lois is right there.

>>213897525
Zod is equally as powerful. How exactly does he take Zod out of the city? He flew Zod.into space who returned them both back to the city!
Zod Literally suicided by cop.

>>213897807
And hilariously, who is pushing who BACK INTO the city!???
It's Clark manhandling him by the neck.

>>213897807

About a couple.

Lets all watch this stupid fight again;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Qm8cKJ-jo
Superman never attempts to take the fight to somewhere unpopulated; and when they are in space, Clark shoves him back into the heart of the city.
Never, at any point in this movie, does Clark make the attempt to spare civilians a super-brawl. Never.

>>213897874
Zod has the power Of flight which he controls. Zod is flying towards the city.

>>213886872
>still stuck in the mindset of direct physical superhero vs villain interactions
These have always been the lowest tier storylines because it instantly turns into lazy gay powerscaling and magical asspulls. The most interesting ones, especially for Superman have been the stories where his loved ones or members of antagonistic groups who otherwise could be considered innocent are in danger for one reason or another.

Retards get endlessly filtered by MOS because it forces the viewer to contend with questions slightly more complex than "will clark be able to punch zod harder than zod punches clark back?"

>>213897933
Zod is being shove backwards, clearly at the mercy of Clark's superior flight (and strength).
He is demonstrably being shoved back to plow into the city violently.
You can't keep making shit up, there's the scene right there.>>213897918

>>213897727
Shirtless dudes.

>>213897918
That's because you're not a comic fan, you're one of those retarded, muh Reeve save kitty from tree, fans.

Remember when, Muh Reeve save kitty from tree, killed Zod?

>>213897918
Thats the hill you're going to die on? That Superman didn't perfectly speedrun the fight to a desolate area and perfectly stop the conflict with zero casualties? That's so ridiculously improbable, and a Marvel-brained thought. Wahhh people died wahhh.

>>213897971
You're dumb ass! Zod controls flight like Superman does. In the comics we've seen him laying on his back and flying, Literally back wards!!! Zod is the one, you pompous buffoon, returning to the city.

>>213897777
Which doesn't happen during the Zod fight, it's even before Metroplis is attacked too. Also not a civilian.
And the entire point I was making is that during the entire fight in a massive city, where Superman and Zod is just going at each other with no care for any collateral damage, Superman doesn't save a single person during that fight until the very end when suddenly, conveniently there's a few innocent looking people to motivate him to snap Zod's neck.
And that is in contrast to the 2025 film where the film goes out of it's way to show Superman constantly going out of his way to save bystanders, that he is doing everything he can to avoid creating unnecessary destruction. While Snyder's Superman doesn't give a fuck about collateral damage in contrast.

>>213897980
So you are going to abandon making shit up when confronted with the actual scenes in the movie? Clark overpowers him in most all of the fight, right to the end. Overpowers him in space, CLEARLY shoves him back into the city by force, slamming him into the station (then slams him a second time) before putting a grab on him he cannot escape.
Clark is just wantonly endangering humans, just like the first fight in the movie.
Fuck off with your comic fan bullshit, you lying ass.

>>213897841
Zod flew Superman up into space. It's Zod that tackles Superman. Not once during the entire 1v1 does Superman try to take Zod away from the city.

>>213898036
WATCH THE FUCKING SCENE, IT'S LINKED IN THE THREAD. ZOD IS CLEARLY UPSET AT BEING SHOVED TO IMPACT INTO THE CITY, YOU DUMB NIGGER.

>>213898088
Superman flies up TO Zod, to fight him in space. Then drags him back into the city. I guess so Lois can watch.

>>213896792
>>213896512

>>213898072
He throws Zod in higher orbit, WHERE THE SATELLITES ARE!!! Zod throws a Satellite at him and then smashes into him with the Satellite!!!!! Are you Retarded?

>>213898023
>That's so ridiculously improbable
Like a man levitating by his own power? Are you leaking from the ears, Sanjay?

>>213898290
Even your AI slop is repuslive.

>>213898117
This is the scene, Retarded anon, where Superman throws Zod.into higher Orbit with the Satellite, Zod slows down and throws the Satellite at Superman, and then flies back Down towards the city and earth smashing into Superman!!!

>>213898358
Admit it, you were wrong!!! Superman tried to save the city.

How come John, didn't have clark go save the dog. Or have Clark run at slightly faster than a normal human to save his dad?

>>213883132 (OP)
Snyder over does christ + biblical imagery

>>213897918
>>213897971
>>213898088
>>213898117
>>213898138
Run the video again at 0.25x and you can clearly see the initial push back to earth was the capeless figure (Zod) pushing the caped figure (Supes) downwards.

Pic related. Checkmate.

>>213898587
Because Jon feared picrel

>>213883437
>hidden meanings
It's about mental illness, faggot

>>213893197
>media for zoomers
>HAS TO feature a mobile phone
I hate this gay Earth so much.

>>213898650
Wow did i just btfo the detractors so hard they stopped replying?

>>213898650
Probably just gave up on you since when it cuts back to Zod and Superman, it clearly shows Superman in control of the descent and him shoving Zod down into the station.

>>213899202
Ah so during the supersonic descent, they happen to spin around and switch places, so that means it's ALL Superman's fault and not the psychotic genocidal maniacs fault at all...

>>213899406
It shows that during the descent, Superman overpowered Zod and gained control, and instead of diverting Zod away from the city and people, he instead took him straight down to the city where more civilians could be killed. Are you forgetting that the entire argument is that Superman never does anything to try to get Zod away from Metropolis or avoid collateral damage from their fight?

>>213899544
Superman did not overpower Zod

This is.

>>213892524
Did you watch the movie? Because, besides your description of what didn't happen, if anything, when Clark saved people in the oil rig he just ignored John's sacrifice to be honest. John really sacrificed himself for nothing and Clark kept saving people, something he wasn't sure if Clark should be doing. So it doesn't look like he "imparted his wisdom and courageousness on Clark" it just looks like he killed himself and Clark ignored his wisdom.

>>213900218
>he just ignored John's sacrifice to be honest.
Clark also does this by implaying a dude's truck with telephone polls

>>213896976
>Clark... did I ever tell you about the time my father and I helped murder and entire town with smiles on our faces? You should have let those kids drown, you should have held their heads under water.

>>213883132 (OP)
>Clark, I know you can hear my subvocalizations. Look into my body with your x-ray vision, do you see the tumors? Don't save me, Clark. I am dying. I got cancer from your x-ray eyes. My death is your responsibility. You must never use your x-ray vision again. The government could gouge out your eyes and use them to give cancer to their enemies.

>>213899925
Then why is Superman in control, clearly shown driving Zod into the ground?

>>213900207
Proud

>>213898587
The dog didn't need to be saved. It just jumps out of the open car door and trots away at a leisurely pace because even the basest animals have survival instincts.

>>213900515
BOOMER WILL LIVE

>>213900430
ok bro you really wanna argue this? Ok so lets say Superman does have control. Seconds later Supes slams Zod into the floor of the station and puts him in a chokehold and snaps his neck before he can laser a family to death. There's no need to relocate at that specific point in time.

>>213900707
That is the point, he unnecessarily put that family in danger, just like he put everyone else in the city in danger by never attempting to take Zod out of city. They were high enough to reach fucking satellites, do you know how high that is? The low orbit ones are between 300km to 2000km up in the air, the highest ones are above 35000kms up. Even if we assume the one they reach is at the lowest possible height, Superman shows no fucking concern for Metropolis or it's citizens during the entire fight.

>>213883132 (OP)
This one is up there.

he did nothing wrong

>>213883356
Explain what is misunderstood about the CIA plane scene.

>>213896976
>Dad Kent's whole point was Clark needs to live among them as much as possible
how can he do that when pa Kent want everyone around Clark to be death by his inaction? lmao

>>213892524
Sorry you snyderfag, having superpowers and letting your dad die in front of you isn't deep. It's just fucking stupid and bad writing

>>213900878
Who gives a fuck? People live, people die, every single day, and we all do it to ourselves, without super powered being flying around. Get the fuck over it. Let me ask you something. Why are we assuming that Superman should give a shit? And why are we assuming that we DESERVE to be saved? Hmm? Two alien beings are beating each other up, and we automatically expect them to care? Have you ever considered how selfish you sound. "Why didnt Superman do X and Y and Z?" Because he just didnt. You, like the rest of the crying drooling complaining masses, project your own needy expectations on Superman and keep repeating what YOU think he SHOULD'VE done. Well guess what, the super powered alien is NOT you. He is not like you and he is not beholden to you. Be happy that he didnt just immediately eradicate the world and rape all the women on Earth.

>>213901278
Because it's at the core of the character that he does care, he does give a shit. Hence the meme of him being Murderman, not Superman in Snyder's films. If he's just a super powered alien going around destroying cities and killing thousands of people without a care in the world, or just for the fun of it, then Batman isn't wrong in the sequel to try to kill Superman, and Lex isn't really a villain there either. Yet that film tries to tell us that it was just Batman letting his paranoia and trauma from fighting the villains in Gotham getting the best of him, and Lex manipulating the situation for his own good. And it tries to say both of them were wrong to do so, that Superman actually is a hero.

>>213886613
Interestingly enough I was watching this movie with my mother long time ago and she noticed

>>213894257
He's stabilizing himself in a zero gravity environment as he turns to take one last look back at the ghost of his father.

>>213901451
Supeman in MoS on obviously wants to do the right thing and save the world but because he didnt do it exactly as you think he should, in the heat of the moment under extreme stress, then it's a problem. You keep imposing YOUR own expectations on Superman. If Superman were real, i would not sit there and cry and expect that he'd be able to save me because everyone would simultaneously want to be saved. It's not feasible logistically. And war will ALWAYS have collateral damage, no matter how much you try to pacify it. This idea that Superman can feasibly, even in a work of fiction, stop evil with zero casualties is just naive and childish. There have to be stakes involved. If you want perfect pacificist battle fantasies where everybody magically survives, go watch a Marvel movie, or better yet, go read a fucking children's ABC book, that's more your IQ level.

>>213901643
Not asking him to stop evil with zero causalities, just asking the film to show him giving a fuck, of trying. It would elevate him as a hero, and Zod as a villain, if Zod was a real threat to Superman and if he was taking advantage of Superman trying to save as many people as he could. Because in the film, it's just 2 superpowered beings having a sparing match in a city made of cardboard boxes, neither of them hurts or even scratches the other in any way during the fight until the very end when Superman, very reluctantly, snaps his neck. For most of the fight Superman has the upperhand as Zod is coming to grips with, and adjusting to his own power on earth and it's yellow sun and all the extra powers it gives him.

>>213883132 (OP)
did the dozen people in that underpass really pose a threat to Clark's identitty?

was there even cell phones at the time of pa kent's death

jews aren't a race. Whites are the closest to God.

>>213889655
>if Marvel made a real film

>>213901850
but god chose a jew to be his son?

>>213897727
jesus, american economy is tanking hard

>>213893597
KEK

>>213897028
man of steel is the only reason I like superman, I couldn't care less about superman bat man was always more interesting to me

>>213901916
god is a jew

>>213902475
God is White. Jews are demonic larp spawn upon the Earth.

>>213897706

But he isn't Superman yet. After the scene he goes to travel the world, presumably for years before he becomes Superman.

He wasn't protecting his son's identity alone, he was protecting his son's chance to make that choice.

>>213902313

Batman is only interesting because it's about a child who is so psychologically broken that he creates two personas, both based on childhood idealizations and ridiculous caricatures while remaining stunted for the rest of his life, and no one saves him from it.

>>213902587
but chose a jew as his son?