Thread 213904552

How did people get strong in medieval times when there were no protein powders or creatine supplements?

>>213904552 (OP)
They ate each other's semen.

Nobles could go out into their forests and kill deer and boars, peasants just had slop so no luck.

>>213904552 (OP)
thats not "medieval times"

>>213904552 (OP)
No estrogen overdose from plan B being peed into the public water supply by whores
So test levels were high

>>213904552 (OP)
This is some fantasy slop with dragons and not a documentary about medieval times, dummy

>>213904552 (OP)
This is a tv show, people did not get strong in pre-industrial societies.

>>213904552 (OP)
good genes and appropriate diet

>>213904586
>>213904596
>>213904600
>>213904603
>>213904612
>>213904648
And they also ate each other's semen.

>>213904730
Consider ending it?

>>213904796
That was in the past. I can no more stop them from eating each other's semen than I can stop you online from eating everybody else's within a 100 mile radius of you.

>>213904552 (OP)
Lots of milk products and meat and no plastics at all. At least that's how the Mongols got Broly.

>>213904552 (OP)
AI Overview
Medieval men's strength varied significantly by occupation, but the average peasant likely had high muscular endurance from manual labor, while knights, who trained rigorously for battle, possessed exceptional upper-body strength and core stability, comparable to modern professional athletes. While generally not as muscular as a modern bodybuilder due to lower calorie and protein intake, their physically demanding lives and specific training for warfare made them very strong for their purposes, with some sources suggesting potentially higher overall muscle development than modern humans.

>>213904848
they were shorter too, stocky manlets. the hormones in our industrialized food made us taller and lankier

>>213904552 (OP)
Protip faggots. Muscle size doesn't correlate with strength.

>>213904870
Yes it actually does, stupid. Muscle cross section correlates with its ability to generate force. Highly.

They didnt have porn so that means they didnt jack off 5 times a day like everyone does now. That sexual energy went straight to their bones muscles and brain rather than on their belly on a tissue

>>213904586
peasants could hunt small game and birds outside of royal forests. also wolves were fair game
>>213904870
while that's sometimes true, that man is obviously strong as hell. the strongest people dont have bodybuilder style muscles

>>213904946
>like everyone does now
do you know girlfriends exist? Not everyone is a 4chan incel. Touch grass.

>>213904946
yeah people take for granted how much nutrients are being expended from your body each time, that have to come from somewhere to replete

>>213904552 (OP)
a bull just eats grass and some people are a little bit like that

>>213904600
Is this for real? I thought it was a 4chins meme

>>213904972
It's one click away to see how vital reproduction energy is, yet people see it as some infinite source of energy it's wild
>>213904969
Why then, these people with so called girlfriends, are not strong? or is your argument just that "not everyone jacks off some fuck women" because you're really fucking stupid for stating something that obvious if so

>>213904552 (OP)
They threw boulders at each other

>>213905008
public water systems are not good enough to filter out these chemicals girls are pissing into the water systems. do you think girls pee goes into the river or gets processed at a facility to be reused?
the issue is, theyre not filtering it properly enough before it comes out of your tap. to do that yourself, you need to buy advanced equipment. not those bullshit plastic filters that go over the tap, a reverse osmosis machine. which filters the water so well, that it even removes actually useful, beneficial nutrients. to the extent that its recommended you supplement yourself with vitamins.

>>213904552 (OP)
you ate a lot of chickens.

>>213904952
>the strongest people dont have bodybuilder style muscles
Yes they do they're just under a layer of fat. Bodybuilders also are strong as hell. Bigger muscles equal stronger muscles.

>>213905038
I think diet and lack of exercise are way bigger factors than homeopathic concentrations of drugs in the water supply.

>>213905071
for sure but it all contributes, it all needs to be brought up in the same manner.
this lecture is a must watch for any man and any woman thats not psychotic, wanting to be surrounded by emasculated men, its just insane.
>OUR BALLS ARE UNDER ATTACK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N11tqwVrhZo

>>213905038
Today I found a whole new level of hatred for women that I didn't even know I had

>>213905039
They also had Dovecotes which are the size of houses and allow doves and pigeons to nest in them free from predators. You could just walk in and get eggs and take pigeons/doves to eat. Comfy as fuck. Pigeons taste delicious, better than chicken and were a favourite in medieval times.

>>213904552 (OP)
Vikings drank fermented whey

>>213905110
>Pigeons taste delicious, better than chicken and were a favourite in medieval times.
still a common delicacy in arabic countries that are far from the coast and and lush vegetation so animal husbandry is difficult. pigeon soup.

If you look up a Man-At-Arms training it was primarily cardio, often in armor thus giving them the stamina to fight in it

just like boomers. standards were lower then

being 5'11" probably made you some kind of great towering warrior when everyone was 5'4"

something to think about, napoleon was 5'6"

>>213904552 (OP)
You dont even need that much protein, its kind of a psyop

>>213905008
supposedly it gets filtered i think but there's tons of endocrine disruptors from teflon and plastic etc not to mention basedbean oil in everything (there was a study on xenoestrogen from onions that showed it affected sheep iirc)

Eating is overrated. Person can sustain without food for a month. 7 days without water.

>>213904552 (OP)
Meat. Also the primarily limiting factors on fitness today have nothing to do with protein intake, the single most glaring one is vitamin D deficiency due to a lack of sunlight.

The degree to which the average American is essentially a vampire is fucking shocking when you actually read the data. People used to spend hours of every day standing in direct sunlight, now people often go days without more than a few minutes in natural light.

>>213905242
Go on, try going a week without water.

>>213904870
I mean that's Bjorn Halfthor or whatever, guy who went around breaking medieval strength records that were so absurd people assumed they were just made up. So he in particular may well be one of the strongest human beings to ever live.

>>213905301
Uhhhh.... CFCs yall be spraying killed the ozone so if you spend more then 15 minutes a week in the sun you get melanoma. Read a book sometime and ban CFCs!!

>>213904612
what are antique statues

>>213905110
Also rivers were full of fish and eels, you could make fish traps or use nets and catch plenty before the rivers got fucked by the industrial revolution and overfishing.

>>213905242
maybe if you sit in bed all day.
I've started eating more simply to combat headaches from low blood sugar.

>>213904552 (OP)
this reveal was so gay. it was the THIRD mountain at his point and this guy was the shortest one but had "the most muscle mass". why the fuck would that matter for tv? we want a giant. this guy had the face of a teddy bear

>>213905389
>>213905389
Statues are not real people retard

>>213905426
Second guy was just tall but had none of the aura. Hafthor was too baby face.
Now this guy had it all. He was massive, and was one scary looking motherfucker

>>213905554
agreed that he was the best. recasting three times confused normies and the third one was just bad casting. nobody cares that he's "the strongest man in the world". that's how film making comes in. the dude had a baby face and couldn't act of shit

>>213904552 (OP)
protein powder is for lazy cooks, poor people and instagram cut fags who are scared of calory surplus.
meat, beans, eggs, milk and cottage cheese is good enough for protein to grow big and strong.

>>213904946
Based SR knower

>>213904552 (OP)
>balding
Looks like he's already taking creatine

>>213905554
>>213905570
First clegane literally looked an unhinged psychopath

>>213905071
Same here bro im gonna keep drinking tap water just like you its no biggie

test levels were much higher and all of their food was actually natural. not supermarket 'organic'

>>213904552 (OP)
They ate the stuff thats in your protein powders.

>>213905664
on top of this their jobs were physical, and they weren't doing an 8 hour day, 5 days a week. they had time off, for their physical hobbies.

>tfw remove all seed oils from diet
>Cook all the meals with butter
>Use butter on bread than margarines
>Use milk when making bread
>More satieted than ever

>People notice I've lost weight.

>>213905666
>the stuff thats in your protein powders
it's literally just whey

>>213905008
>Is this for real? I thought it was a 4chins meme
Temporal trends in sperm count: a systematic review and meta-regression analysis
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6455044/
>Sperm Count (SC) declined significantly between 1973 and 2011 ... the mean SC declined, on average, 1.4% per year with an overall decline of 52.4% between 1973 and 2011 [in Western men].
Decline in semen concentration of healthy Chinese adults: evidence from 9357 participants from 2010 to 2015
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6038153/
>We observed a continuous significant decrease in semen concentration among a sample of 9357 healthy Chinese males ... between 2010 and 2015.
Decline in seminal quality in Indian men over the last 37 years
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6199708/
>Correlation and regression analyses of seminal parameters for fertile, infertile and total population are summarized in Table 4. Except for semen volume, almost all parameters (the seminal quality) showed a negative (inverse) correlation with time in both the groups. In total population, sperm concentration and normal morphology showed a highly significant downward trend.
Decline in Serum Testosterone Levels Among Adolescent and Young Adult Men in the USA
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081788/
>After controlling for confounders, we found that mean total testosterone (TT) levels declined over time: TT levels were lower in the later (2011-2016) than in the earlier (1999-2000) cycles. Elevated body mass index (BMI) was associated with lower TT, but the trend remained significant even among men with normal BMI.
Secular trends in testosterone- findings from a large state-mandate care provider
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7063751/
>In a large population of Israeli patients ... there was a highly significant age-independent decline in total testosterone. The decline was unlikely to be explained by increasing rates of obesity.

>>213905698
I will never forgive industry shills for trying to give butter a bad name.

>>213905910
It all started with margarine (piss be upon it).

>>213905008
Haha you thought salvation was as shrimple as getting rid of the jew?

Our whole planet is poisoned.
But all everyone wants to talk about is how it's 2 degrees hotter this year.
Meanwhile we're facing a slow painful extinction through chemical castration.

There's no reversing it. It's in the water.
The water you water your plants with.
The water your livestock drinks.
There's no escape.

And before anyone starts gloating, it's worldwide. You may be a few decades behind, but since there's no way to remove it from the food-chain it's inevitable.
We'll all get feminized and go extinct.
Feminization without the sexy.
lol
lmao even
Let's talk about CO2 emissions instead.

>>213905762
Yeah that ate the legumes instead of the legume powder and curds and whey.

>>213904552 (OP)
nobility had good access to animal protein and dairy, (i think) germanic countries were tall in antiquity until the middle ages, in the middle ages its recorded that peasantry were much shorter than nobility due to worse diets, which lasted all the way up until AFTER the industrial revolution during which ancestors of aristocracy were still much taller than peasantry/farmers, people have still grown in height since the boomer generation and it only evened out among classes recently.

people here are contrarians that will act like "the dark ages" are not dark ages just because kikes hate christianity so much, but it really was a very long time of decline and stagnated shittiness, worse than antiquity.
for example; viking age raiders were commonly 165cm malnourished fuckers, while roman era germanic warriors were often 190cm bvlls, despite both being farmers, 500-1500ad~ was objectively a period of starvation sickness and weakness in europe.

>>213904552 (OP)
by working, fucking idiot

>>213906224
>500-1500ad~ was objectively a period of starvation sickness and weakness in europe.
Years 536-539 alone wiped out a big chunk of the population.

>>213904573
hasn't helped you or the rest of reddit

>>213905242
>7 days without water
This, I do it every now and then and it's rejuvenating, you all should try.

>>213906310
Maybe you should eat more of my semen then if it isn't working for you. Your mother can help give you some pointers.

>>213904612
I'm sure ship rowers were buff as fuck. At least from the waist up

>>213906321
no thanks semen-eater,as anyone's mother can point out,eating semen is exclusively for you

>>213904552 (OP)
CrossFit.

>>213906365
Oh I see you want to keep your cocksucking on the down low, gotcha.

bro science: the thread

>>213906303
>micro ice age of freezing winters
>population decimating plague pandemics, population decline in general
>large parts of europe ruled by muslims for centuries while church prefers to "Crusade" rural pagan retards in lithuania or other backwater shithole
>average height shortened by 20-30cm due to malnourishment
>extremely extremely slow technological progress
>legally have to get your wife fucked by the local lord before marriage and your son to die in a pointless noble feud over nothing
ACTUALLY IT WAS A PARADISE BECAUSE IN THE MOVIE THEY DONT SHOW THE PEASANT RAGS TO BE COLORFUL EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE

>>213905426
>but had "the most muscle mass"
Anon, they didn't want to replace the first one, he left to go be an orc in the hobbit movies. The second one was picked in haste and then replaced when they were going to need him to actually fight.
I agree the first one was the best, taller and more intimidating, and build size doesn't really matter with their armor on.

>>213904870
>One of the best strongmen ever isn't that strong because he has visible muscle

>>213904552 (OP)
in ancient greece, they would carry a calf every day until it grew too big to carry
they would also swim in the ocean with a rock ring around their neck
and wrestling wild animals like lions and bears was common back then, that's how greco roman wrestling was invented

>protein powders or creatine supplements?
they ate real protein... like from meat and eggs and milk and cheese and stuff, the stuff that gaylord governments are trying to ban

>>213905242
isnt it 1/3/7
1 minute with no oxygen, 3 days without water, 7 days without food for the average person
ofc superfatties can go like a month without food but water is much more important. 7 days without water sounds like bullshit

>>213905698
This is all wrong. It's actually red meat, eggs, fish and animal fats that make you fat. Olive, coconut and avocado oil are also really bad for you and make you fat.

An animal free diet of bread and cereals with some good fats from wholesome oils like canola and vegetable fats is the healthiest diet for humans.

>>213904552 (OP)
>one of the strongest people in the world
>still come off as a babyface without the presence of earlier actors with the help of every low angle the director can throw at you
We're not gonna make it. None of us are.

People weren't all that muscular. Most guys were lean. The occasional dude who was 6'2 and built like a very mediocre gym bro with the slightest amount of muscle would have been known as "the mountain" or "the maul" or something.

>>213907218
Rule of 3s my friend
>3 minutes without air or in icy water
>3 hours without shelter in a harsh environment
>3 days without water
>3 weeks without food

>>213905038
>which filters the water so well, that it even removes actually useful, beneficial nutrients. to the extent that its recommended you supplement yourself with vitamins.
Many of those already have a remineralizer after all the filtration

I'm just going to leave this here...

>>213907592
*gets conquered by tight pants wearing serfs*

>>213907592
wow it's in a book. Must be true then.

>>213907592
The mongols were famously tiny, as were their horses.

>>213907592
>tfw no ubermensch mongol gf

>>213906224
Oh look, a raging faggot spewing contrarian bullshit.

FUCK THE KING.
FUCK HIS RULES ABOUT NOT EATING FOOD FROM HIS ROYAL FUCKING FORESTS.

>>213904552 (OP)
Tradlarpers and redpillers will tell you otherwise, but like half the reason was that rape was ridiculously common back then.
As one certain noble commented in the 1450s, a man was said to have either strong arms, strong legs, or a strong ass.

all actors are roided up these days

>>213907592
This, and look at old pictures of the Sioux, who stood a head taller than Europeans and had huge jaws filled with strong teeth, and also put up a pretty tough fight against the US cav. Similar diet and lifestyle.

>>213907959
Time to adopt a pemmican-based diet.

>>213907592
cant believe this didnt mention they drank the milk of their horses allowing them to move much faster than the chineese who had large baggage trainse

A cow is bigger than all men just munching on grass

>>213908239
We should feed a cow meat and see what happens.

>>213908333
i'll call your mom

>>213904612
Shut the fuck up, you retard piece of shit
https://ecclesiasticalandheritageworld.co.uk/news/131-experts-reveal-the-face-of-stirlings-medieval-knight-after-650-years

>>213907592

Strong and robust nomadic horsepeople really are some of the best human specimens. Followed up by strong and robust seafarer people. Adventurous, rugged, expeditionary races. The moment we turn to static agro-civilizational peasant life we deteriorate.

>>213905554
'ate sandor simple as

>>213907218
ive gone 6 days without water
my tongue dried up and i started day dreaming/mild hallucinating about drinking buckets of water 24/7

>>213905242
Is that you Eugenia Cooney? I thought you died.

>>213904552 (OP)
No chance a guy could get THAT huge as I believe that actor's caloric intake is like 20,000 calories a day. That is 10x the average of a MODERN male diet. No matter how useful you are to the nobility I doubt they would give you that much food to keep you swol.

I think given the state of health and medicine back then a huge fuck like Mountain actor would likely die pretty young. Even today with well-soled shoes, paved roads, doctors etc. tall people's joints get utterly fucked by the time they approach age 40.

>>213908831
where the fuck you got 20K from? Morr like 5k. But also the nobles where the ones trained in warfare for the most part, the group of people with access to the most food in feudal societies.

>>213904851
grok is this true

>>213904552 (OP)
Dogshit recasting

>>213905008
If you live around so many people that you all share a water source pumped through rotten pipes, then of course you're going to run into problems.
I'm not too confident in my rural well either to be honest. I don't run any kind of a filter because the water's great, but if the neighbor girl up the hill is flushing birth control piss I imagine it's just trickling down to my well. Not too mention all the grandfathered in "septic tanks" placed whevever the fuck people felt like

>>213908897
Honestly it was some image I saw years ago. May have even been some Facebook slop.

>>213909097
every image reposted here without a source that you researched into is slop.

>>213909137
Okay it was an article from Business Insider and it was 10k calories not 20k, my bad.

Easy Google search, "game of thrones mountain diet"

>>213909383
Jesus, that's fucking insane amount of food. The richer end of nobles could have afforded a diet like that at home. But I'm thinking this wouldnt be sustainable in a marching army.

>>213904552 (OP)
meat and milk

>>213908178
Horse blood was often drank, and cheese curds heated up by putting them under saddle & riding for hours

>>213907456
oh that makes more sense

>>213908831
Look up the average amount food that factory workers in 1800s got, or the food allowance for the royal navy
Large sums of food

>>213908897
>>213908831
8-10k according to his channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR7CR59XUGM

>>213905426
they were just trying to pander to the gay bear audience by this point in the series

>>213904573
this and oat pancakes

>>213909470
He could just eat the weaker soldiers.

>>213904552 (OP)
its not that absurd,the idea of fabricating some weights out of stone or lead even if you lived in 500 b.c,and you could do calistenics if you had solid well made walls.
but yeah,if you were a pleb you were fucked

>>213908422
What a burn.

>>213910085
Timeline of Effects

Immediate (hours–days): Food poisoning, nausea, diarrhea, infection risk.

Short-term (weeks): Parasitic infections, some viral diseases, gout/kidney stress if repeated.

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>>213904586
Peasants had plenty of fish retard

>>213910099
>but yeah,if you were a pleb you were fucked
Meanwhile, some random ass Greek Fisherman
>Bybon, son of Phola, could lift this over his head
Rock was 300 lbs.

>>213910207
greeks had the olympic games and an strong cultural knowledge about how to stay healthy.
they were not the average.

>>213905762
Little miss muffet was swole

>>213910207
>>213910389
I thought that was a babylonian, not a greek.

>>213910389
pretty sure you see this same stuff everywhere. the "mountain" guy just set a record by lifting a rock some ancient icelander had lifted

>>213907758
I seriously doubt this and can't find that quote anywhere

>>213907222
>An animal free diet of bread and cereals with some good fats from wholesome oils like canola and vegetable fats is the healthiest diet for humans.
A diet of pure carbs is the absolute worst diet you can eat.

>>213907222
don't fall for it
>>213910807
he fell for it

>>213904552 (OP)
You mean 10 different types of growth hormones and steroids? There has not been a single person in history, ever, that had his tumor-like muscles.

>>213910882
There were some crazy looking builders from the age before steroids and growth hormones.

>>213904552 (OP)
Gregor Clegane is a genetic freak suffering from gigantism that made him huge but also causes him pain so bad he has to be constantly on opium to even think straight

>>213907456
3 months without sex

>>213910917
We are talking about medieval times. There were no bodybuilders as It would be counterproductive in all professions.

>>213911123
So a guy in ancient greece could weight lift with rocks but people in medieval times could not? I think training with a heavy weapon is very akin to weight training. I guess more like kettlebell training to some degree.

>>213904552 (OP)
they ate beef. The kings personal guard in England ate a lot of beef in order to become stronger than average.
It has been known since forever that eating a lot of meat will make you strong and eating a lot of veggies will give you enough energy to work but keep you weak.
Back in ancient times your level of wealth would determine your access to the quality and quantity of meat and the more you ate the healthier you were.

>>213909595
no it doesn't

>>213911189
You misunderstand me, I am specifically talking about bodybuilding and strongman(ing?). Not mastering sword skills and being an athletic warrior.

>>213911189
thats crossfit,kind of like doing cardio with weights to train endurance,to get your body used to lift a great weight with all your body.
you heart gets stronger so you can lift the sword for a longer time,but you dont get muscle just from that.

>>213911549
>but you dont get muscle just from that.
You dont need to lift weights designed for body building in a controlled environment to grow your muscles and make them stronger.

I have seen my muscles grow from doing construction and calisthenics as well as weight lifting.

>>213911418
>>213911611

>>213905100
I don't have time to watch your video, but simply based on the thumbnail mentioning "BPA", it's time for a threadly reminder:

BPA is just one of numerous bisphenols used by the industry. If your food products and containers tout "BPA Free", that's probably because they simply switched to BPS or BPF, closely related chemicals with the same concerns about endocrine disruption:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_S
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_F

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE PUBLIC HASN'T HEARD OF THEM YET. They just swapped one poison for another.

>>213904552 (OP)
Ever hear of "old man strength"?

>>213911611
>I have seen my muscles grow from doing construction
this way of working out its ok if you dont have a gym available.
otherwise its an extremely ineficient way of doing cardio or hypertrophy.

>>213911789
Yeah i agree that training to grow muscles is best when done with certain methods and rep ranges, but is clearly also possible through many other means available to humans throughout history. And then there is a genetic component. Hunter gatherers would have been killed off by having larger muscles, but as society advance, people who have larger muscle genetics were more able to thrive.

>>213911848
>Hunter gatherers would have been killed off by having larger muscles, but as society advance, people who have larger muscle genetics were more able to thrive.
youre kinda sorta there but nah, the thing to look at here is hunters VS farmers and how their civilizations affected eachother spoiler: farmers won.

>>213911930
Yes, farmers had a higher food surplus and were able to use that to train an elite group of fighters who did not need to work as they began to form societies.

>>213905242
>Eating is overrated. Person can sustain without food for a month. 7 days without water.

>>213904552 (OP)
They were pretty short and scrawny compared to the people today.

>>213912090
How's the crystal therapy going?

>>213910207
In fairness can't it also translate as Bybon throwing the rock over his head? Not that it isn't still an impressive feat

>>213908831
They couldn't find someone with actual gigantism that could do the role. He's an Andre the Giant kinda guy in the books. I don't remember if he's ever described as super muscular or just exceptionally enormous. They wanted to find someone that could just be huge.

>>213907592
>keto fags break down your great wall to inform you they are in ketosis

>>213904552 (OP)
Blacksmiths and executioners were always the strongest men in town. Finding a random warrior who happened to be built strong is not realistic at all. Neither were ever conscripted for battle because their skills were hard to replace.

>>213912767
Knights, the trained professional warriors of nobility, lived in castles.

Peasants were not very well trained, though they did make up the majority of the light fodder.

Chinese officer military exams in the medieval age was insane. On top of horseback riding and memorization of the 7 military classics (such as the art of war) they had a gruling physical exam. For top marks they needed to demonstrate the following:
>shooting a bow with 72 kg (159 lb) draw weight
>fighting with a fuckhuge halberd
>deadlifting a 150 kg (330 lb) rock.
>During the Qing Dynasty, extraordinarily heavy versions of the guandao were used in military examinations, with candidates needing to wield weapons weighing 40, 50, or 60 kg (80, 100, or 120 jin) to pass.

It was also noted that in the early ages of 13th and 14th century canons there was a type of Han bannermen, called "ujen cooha" ('heavies') who carried bronze or cast iron cannons into battle and formed fire teams where they fired them from their shoulders. They found that dragging canons to battle on carts was too slow for the complicated manuvers and style of warfare, so they simply had fuckhuge goons carry them. The size and strength of these artillery men was well documented.

>>213912767
also agricultural workers did not live in towns. Though yeah, im sure blacksmiths were jacked as fuck. And any executioner would be picked specifically for being the strongest and most able for the job to not botch it.

>>213907592
They're just that good.

>>213912807
Most knights probably never fought at all. They hung in the back with the king or general, and let all the conscripted peasants do all the fighting and dying. If they were losing the battle, they took off in retreat with the king or general, and left the peasants for the slaughter to buy time while they escape.

Then they went home, and raped all the peasant recently-widowed women and recently-orphaned children. Knights really were assholes until the church forced the "peace of God" and "Truce of God" to civilize them.

>>213911719
Not talking about that either you dumb fuck

>>213913003
True in some contexts but they did train to fight all day with heavy steal weapons in heavy steel armor. So the level of fitness is not affected by if they saw battle on the field or just trained for battle on the field.

>>213912113
>They were pretty short and scrawny compared to the people today.
People were taller in the late roman times and early middle ages. It was urbanization and the limited diet of bread and gruel that came with city life that stunted the growth of people from the 15th through late 19th centuries. The over reliance on nutritionally deficent milled flour was a major factor.

In the earlier manor days the knights and soldiers lived in smaller farming communities. They didnt use peasent armies and instead banner men who were well fed and well trained with good acces to meat, dairy, root vegetables, whole grains and intense physical training for warfare.
The 13th century king Sancho VII of Navarre was 2.2 meters tall (6'8") and was known as Sancho the strong (they measured his bones this was not a legendary king).

>>213913226
12th century, sorry.

>>213913226
>2.2 meters tall (6'8")
If you mean 220 cm it's 7'3", big guy.

>>213913226
The romans were famously fucking short you dumb nigger, and one look at restored armour from the high middle ages shows you tiny the average person was then, too. You need to get help.

>>213911259
>in ancient times your level of wealth would determine your access to the quality and quantity of meat
This is true in any age, dipshit

>>213913537
Roman era not roman soldiers.
It was widely reported that the germanic tribes they waged war with with were notably taller and stronger than the roman soldiers. Diodorus had remarked that the celts in particular were terrifyingly large men.

Roman army varied by era and officers also suffered from urbanization and the poor diet that came with it. Soldiers from the provinces would have grown up on a better diet. At times the minimum height was 5'7 others 5'9 and for a brief period Nero insisted the minimum height be 6'.

>>213913781
poor people live much better than ever. But they want to spent their money on tvs and netflix and overpriced tendies.

>>213913537
Size doesn't matter, you fight in groups. If anything being short is why they worked so well. If they were all big tall neanderthal aggressive "chads" there would never have been a phalanx. That's beta shit for shorties, I am strong enough to break the shields with my bare hands, grrrrr!

>>213913922
longer arms mean bigger phalanx
not that it really matters though the strength of the phalanx relied entirely on the horsies

>>213913922
>. If they were all big tall neanderthal aggressive "chads" there would never have been a phalanx.
are you retarded. Let's see a 9 ft tall berserker run at a phallanx lol

>>213913987
>phalanx
>horsies
Wut

>>213914019
without horses to crash into the infantry fighting the phalanx heavy infantry like romans just walk up and push you out of line and slaughter you

>>213914064
They just casually walk around the spears or in this fantasy scenario is your phallanx opponent not going to bring troops to protect his phallanx out of convenience for your argument?

>>213914088
*protect his flanks lol

>>213904991
a bulls digestive system turns grass into protein and fat, idiot

>>213904952
>wolves were fair game
Wolves are infested with parasites and were incredibly hard to hunt or trap.

>>213907218
>1 minute with no oxygen
Are you retarded?
You can easily hold your breath for a couple minutes.
My own record is 3:20 but that's child's play. People who specialize in this, like divers, can do it for considerably longer. Obviously this is in ideal circumstances and without moving much (if at all), but still.
The Tenet scene where the two characters have to hold their breath for a little while during the heist in the airport hangar(?) was fucking laughable.

>>213914088
yes they bring troops aka horses
thats what i said from the start
there is a reason the phalanx basically disappeared after the roman macedonian wars

>>213906416
helloreddit

>>213914291
so it had nothing to do with being big and tall? I''m not the original anon you were talking to and have completely lost sight of what this stupid argument was about.

>>213904552 (OP)
Chicken and broccoli and brown rice

>>213914365
i never had sight in the first place

What would the average medieval European villager think of The Rock?

>>213904552 (OP)
I have less of a problem with this and more of a problem of how Sam stayed fat as fuck the entire series. Dude should have been shedding five pounds a season minimum.

Are you guys fucking retarded? This is where myths come from. Why did people believe in Gods, mythical fighters? We apply the same thinking to the past, but in reality most were manlets, almost no one died in regional conflicts. That's why the first World War was so shocking. It's like if you're out with the lads and you do a bit of posturing, now you get shot or stabbed. That's why Alexander and Genghis Khan were so successful, it's like some random guy shows up and completely annihilates the bar you're sitting in.

>extremely strong/buff/muscular people didn't exist in the middle ages!
Is these seriously what gymtards tell each other in order to make themselves feel special?

>>213914545
On this note, a mildly related discussion I had recently: would you place Alexander The Great into the top 5/10 most famous humans who ever lived, if we count "being famous" by the amount of people (throughout all of history) who heard about the guy and have an idea who he is?

>>213904870
Obese nigga that thinks he's strong.

>>213914723
Jesus, Buddha, Michael Jackson, Osama bin laden

>>213905008
There's thousands of times more estrogen in a single glass of milk than there is in a glass of tap water

So no

>white men look like this now
wtf happened

>>213915044
Seed oils and anime

>>213915044
Japan won

>>213904868
The stocky manlet build is underrated. Practical and strong, the men that built and fought for civilization were the stocky manlets.

>>213914466
'Strong Men' were literally parts of circuses and freak shows

>>213915288
Nope they were tribal leaders for most of human history. You know you live in a crumbling civilization when strength is mocked and reviled

>>213913003
Peasants were fucking useless, they were basically just meat to help with sieges and defend the cavalry while it rested after repeated charges

>>213905071
Everything that anon said is true, but the issue is we don't know the full extent of their effects. It could be miniscule or global fertility crisis tier we just have no idea other than it happens

>>213904552 (OP)
>no protein

uhm farmers actually ate lots of protein and also stuff we today consider high tier food like lobster

>>213905389
>statues are real people petrified by Medusa

Wow

Your brother, Gregor. Whatever happened there.

>>213905008
>Is this for real? I thought it was a 4chins meme

>>213907222
You have to understand... we live in a post-science world now. If the president tells you to eat beef tallow you eat beef tallow.

>>213905890
The problem with this shit is that “BMI” is a retarded metric. They should be going by body fat percentage. It’s entirely possible for a person with a “healthy BMI” to also be a sedentary skinny fat loser with no muscle mass and eating a diet exclusively of processed garbage, which would also reflect significantly in terms of test/sperm count, and I’m willing to bet it’s the majority of where the trend is seen. How many men who actively work out several hours a week and are lean with 12% body fat and consistently eat fresh vegetables and red meat, actually have lower test and sperm than someone from 30 years ago? Might be lower but certainly not as drastic as the overall picture would present.

>>213904612
>people did not get strong
you mean *that strong* or in this case that tall. The average height of people has risen quite a lot thanks to the post-industrial surplus of food.
>>213905389
Those are called anomalies as in rare. In this case individuals who were able to acquire such a body likely came from wealthy/elite backgrounds where they could acquire a surplus of food.
In same ways someone made this statue over 20k years ago. That doesn't mean there was a preference for obese chicks or that it was common place. It meant "holy shit nobody saw someone this fat before, truly it is fascinating so lets make a statue of it!"

>>213910389
Do you seriously think the Olympics were for everyone? Why is everyone in this thread so stupid. People just ate more meat and did a whole lot of physical exercise. For the peasants it was agriculture etc, for higher classes it was general training for war, hunting, later jousting.

>>213905071
You mean I'm not a gigachad because I sit around all day playing videogames while eating/drinking high fructose slop instead of working out and focusing on nutrution???
Absolute bullshit.

>>213908831
>20k
It's more like 10k
>get utterly fucked by the time they approach age 40.
That was the average age of death up until the late 19th century.

>>213907222
lol

>>213907592
This still doesn't answer if I'm eating enough of my neighbor's semen though

>>213904552 (OP)
Cool, does he have nudes anywhere or not?

make no mistake retards
>left will die from cardiac arrest by 40
>right will live to 75
keep grinding your joints to dust with weights and getting fat (aka memebulking)
reminder that in the US 70% of the population is overweight so any kvetching at this post comes from a fatoid with a 7/10 chance

>>213905008
none of these retards know what they're talking about. the treatment done by the water department is for waste, i.e. GLOBS OF SHIT. once it's been treated, it's released into a large public water source where some of it then EVAPORATES and RAINS and fuck these faggots. i'm not explaining the water cycler to your ignorant asses.

This thread is riddled with the progressivist conceit of assuming everyone before the modern age was a fucking dimwit mongo and also blind.
There were gyms and trainers in ancient greece and rome. Sculptors went to quarries to model their works. Spartans must've noticed that a helot hauling shit all day developed the respective muscles more. I'd wager even mesoamerican cultures did.
Some people grew large out of sheer necessity of having very limited technology at their disposal. It's not that hard to put two and two together.
I swear you niggers would've assumed everyone used to live in thatched huts until the 18th century if it weren't for physical evidence to the contrary.

>>213904552 (OP)
100% meat diet. Plus milk

>>213904552 (OP)
tl;dr'ing this thread

medieval people:
>ate whole foods
>ate plenty of meat, cheese, had complex carbohydrates in whole grain bread, and non-GMO vegetables/fruits
>did not have to worry about advanced, artificial, exogenous hormones and metals poisoning their endocrine system from a municipal water supply (or bottled water, or cleaning products that ultimately use municipal water as a base)
>walked everywhere
>did plenty of physical labor
>got tons of quality sleep
>were spiritually and socially fulfilled and thus had a significantly lower amount of cortisol stunting development and growth
>trained in fighting and exercising just like we do now
>had cleaner air and no plastic products in their clothing, shoes, toys, tools, cookware, dinnerware, etc
>were also entirely different in an evolutionary sense and had certain physical, endocrinological, and neurological advantages as a result of a less complex form of "domestication" compared to the evidently dysgenic effect of modern post industrial life


if you're getting the sense that some bumfuck peasant in ye olde nowheresville lived better than you in many ways a thousand years ago, unfortunately you'd be right. we enter the age of darkness

>>213904730
How did this custom come about?

>>213919511
oh and don't even get me started on pre and post natal care and how we circumcise and vaccinate every baby that pops out

>>213919511
>we enter the age of darkness
If only it was just cultural darkness I could cope with it, but that biological decadence is nightmarish.

>>213909696
He got a hair transplant

>>213904552 (OP)
they didn't
average man was short and skinny like a twig
the whole "uhh back then men were strong, manly and handsome" is a meme

>>213904952
>>213914220
But more importantly wolves are exclusively carnivores, and humans don't really eat carnivores unless it's from the sea.

>>213905071
and even if there's meaningful amounts of endocrine disruptors in the water supply, its primarily coming from all the fucking plastic rather than stacy's birth control piss
plastic is genuinely evil and needs to be fully outlawed if we want any hope of a functional biosphere in the future

>>213920311
Any one of these guys could break your arm in arm wrestling. Hell even the girl could.

>>213914141
and like i said some people are a little bit like that. i mean even yours can do that, it just doesn't do it much

>>213905174
Edward "Longshanks" got the nickname from being some sort of absolute lanky circus freak and he was "only" like 6'3

>>213919545
vaccination is good retard. there's a reason like 1/4 of all human beings born before 1900 died in infancy. vaccines are one of the few good developments we've made in the last 150 years

>>213905008
Don't worry about it. Even If it's true, you'll be long dead before mass sissification starts to show and affect you.

>>213906224
A good demonstration of that is that from the early modern to like the 1800s the Dutch were phenotypically manlets (despite clearly retaining genotypical "tallness" due to how quickly it "corrected") and then "suddenly" the average height shot up to about 6'1 in the 1800/1900s

>>213906224
Vikang raiders were still noted to be relatively tall and well built thoughbeit

>>213920556
cope, people were all malnourished and weak as fuck back then

>>213914220
>infested with parasites
Didn't really matter if you cooked it well enough....You know, the primary reason that you cook meat to begin with, to kill bacteria, viruses, and parasites?

>>213920811
You'd get tendinitis after 20 minutes of using that hammer.

>>213914064
Anon the phalanx was an infantry formation. Battles with them were basically just two lines of dudes trying to shove each other. The Romans defeated the Greeks because the phalanx worked on flat ground and basically nothing else while the Roman cohorts could maneuver them into bad terrain and murder them. That and the ubiquity of siege engines like the scorpion

>>213904552 (OP)
>STRENGTH ALWAYS BEATS DE-

>>213904552 (OP)
No one was that big in medieval times, unless they were royalty, and their genes significantly influenced their build.

People subsisted mostly on grains and small game/fish. Pork and beef were considered celebration dishes, and were also exactly the kind of calorie dense foods that you'd need daily to supply a build like that. IRL, he eats like 12,000 calories PER DAY. No one was eating that well back then, not even kings.

There was this retarded "archeological historian" on Youtube who criticized The Northman for the physiques of the characters, saying that they should have looked more like The Mountain, then I called him an idiot that was wrong, and he actually replied to me. When I mentioned what his daily caloric intake was, he never responded lmao.

It's amazing how out-of-touch normies are to what the requirements of maintaining a body like that entails. Unless you were birthed with insane genetics, and also insane luck to have the means to fuel those genetics, you didn't look anything CLOSE to that.

>>213919511
>peasants ate a lot of meat
In your fucking dreams nigga
>evolutionary differences
Broscience. We have not changed significantly since we were hunting mammoths.

>>213920986
exactly. there's a reason being "fat" was attractive way back in the day, everyone but the richest kings was very lean. there simply were not enough surplus calories for people to get bulky. farmers ate most of what they produced and they spent huge amounts of energy to produce a meager surplus that was just large enough to keep the useless nobles/clergy alive.

>>213921024
>In your fucking dreams nigga
if you do the sensible thing and include fish as meat, yeah they did or at least any of them near major bodies of water. average diet was grains/veg/fish/some eggs/some dairy either cheese or butter with the bulk of the diet being grains and veg. there's a reason "rustic" dishes are just vegetable and pasta/bread

>>213920986
>A viking skeleton found in Russia from around the time of the Kievan Rus was found to have equivalent stresses to a modern bodybuilder, in his life he was roughly equivalent to Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime
Some people are buff as fuck by nature and when you spend your whole time doing hard labor, fucking, rowing, and swinging bits of metal, you get jacked.

When I have a regular gf and have sex a few times a week, within a week I find myself sporting a six pack and my muscles are WAY more defined despite not altering my exercise routine of basic cardio and one 20 pound dumbell. Imagine what happens when your ENTIRE LIFE is fucking and killing. Caloric intakes and whatnot be fucked. Life finds a way

>>213921158
>>A viking skeleton found in Russia from around the time of the Kievan Rus was found to have equivalent stresses to a modern bodybuilder, in his life he was roughly equivalent to Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime
That sounds like a myth. First off, there are no archeological records that say that, and secondly, you cannot tell muscle mass and strength solely based on bones. Someone probably lied to you.

>>213921151
They didnt count fish as meat because of Lent, but it is true that they got a lot of fish in the diet. When you say meat, people assume red meat, which was a treat for a special occasion unless you were rich. The lack of refrigerators alone made it a nightmare to get regular beef. Pork was far more common but once again, if you were a broke farmer like the VAST majority of the population, it was bread and cheese for you.

The evolutionary tangent is still utter nonsense, and most of the rest of your post is total bullshit. Even when modernity was in its infancy and at its most nightmarish, people still threw down the plows and ran to the cities in droves because even living in an overcrowded slum to work twelve hour days in a foundry for dogshit wages was infinitely better than Le based peasant life.

>>213921247
>That sounds like a myth.
Look it up
>First off, there are no archeological records that say that
Nigger it was a fucking skeleton. BONES ARE ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE
>and secondly, you cannot tell muscle mass and strength solely based on bones. Someone probably lied to you.
Yes you fucking can. Stress fractures and healing and muscle attachment points can be determined on fucking dinosaur fossils, are you really gonna pretend that a skeleton from a thousand years ago is somehow less clear-cut than fucking dinosaur fossils?

>>213921330
>rest of your post
different person broski
and yeah I know fish isn't counted as meat due to medieval church requirements. biological reality trumped religious doctrine and the peasants needed protein on fast days

>>213921407
Oh shit, sorry anon, I didn't realize you were someone else. My apologies.

I do find it funny how anything in the water didnt count as meat for Lent. Apparently beavers are fish according to God so they're totally cool to enjoy on a fast day.

>>213913781
>This is true in any age, dipshit
except the prehistoric age when meat was free and abundant

>>213921496
It was free if you were willing to spend ALL DAY tracking and killing and butchering it. And if you were one of the lucky ones who didnt get his chest caved in by a wooly rhino or dragged off in the night by one of the many apex predators roaming the land

>>213920949
To be fair Achilles was literally invincible because of his mommy being the best ever

>>213921556
I wonder how often prehistoric peooles had the skills to preserve meat

>>213904552 (OP)

By farming

>>213920619
not every vaccine is equal, and basic hygiene is far more important and far more valuable than juicing every baby up with the shit you give to crackhead aids mothers because they have to serve for the lowest common denominator and stack services onto your bill. fuck you retard

>>213921024
yes peasants ate a lot of meat - chicken, wild game from deer to rabbits, fish, other fowl, pig, goat, sheep, some cultures ate horse. many meals across cultures include the blood of animals as well. not to forget the wealth of dairy products like whey, curds, milk, and cheese. many written records of recipes commonly eaten by people of all economic classes had meat

and YES, we have absolutely changed - and you're even more retarded for taking your claim as far back as when we were hunting mammoths. that's probably as big a change as you could get before we're almost talking about an ascendant, transitional species on the evolutionary chain. we have grown taller on average, thinner, our bones are less sturdy, our skulls and faces have changed - some would say in a neotenous direction - our average hormonal profile is completely different. we are WILDLY different overall. if you were dropped 750-2000 years back into the middle of a medieval or more ancient civilization you would absolutely, visibly look different.

>>213921330
we are more than 5 generations, being 25 years a piece, into the industrial revolution alone, and we've already seen a massive change in the health, personality, and physical appearance and potential fitness of the average person, and it gets more dramatic generation over generation. if you can't see there is a clear evolutionary shift from that small of a scale to something 10-20 times larger than that, you are just a total fucking retard plain and simple. seriously you are just completely talking out of your ass for nothing. these people didn't even abstract thought the same way we did back then. they were absolutely different and their environment was absolutely healthier in many metrics

i won't bother humoring the rest of your retarded post because there isn't even an argument there. people continued to this day still live rurally everywhere and i was never even making some sort of "rural vs urban" argument to begin with. the fact of the matter is in the last 100ish years the world has been poisoned more than we can possibly comprehend and the people who lived several hundred years back lived in a cleaner, more cohesive environment and were likely happier on average for it. fucking autistic case you are. have i detailed out your history lesson of the day enough for you? is that exacting enough?

>>213905242
Your numbers are wrong. You can go longer than that. I haven't had any water in well over a month, and only eat a protein bar a week. I would eat more, I'm just too tired.

>>213904851
The average peasant would be very skinny from malnourishment and minimal access to meat. The knights would be fat and unhealthy. Armor would be like a male version of the female corset to hide their fatness. Battles aren't frequent enough to stay fit. The foot soldiers do most of the actual fighting while the knights ride around in their cosplay, sneaking in a killing blow if conditions are safe.

>>213904946
Onanism has lead me to pummeling my enemies

>>213920949
In the real world, the armor wearing twink would've been crushed into a pretzel.

>>213923224
This is absolutely retarded and you are extremely unfit.

>>213905440
okay but how did they know what a fit person looked like? clearly it happened

>>213904552 (OP)
Eggs and chicken.

>>213923442
probably not, this boagrius guy was a dumbass. he gave up his spear on an opponent clearly faster than him. He thought a single chop would be the move

>>213904600
You cannot be a real human being with the same level of sapience as me. I refuse to believe you exist and that no one has beaten the stupidity out of you yet.

>>213924293
What did he say that's wrong? Have you seen what modern males look like? There's clearly an excess of estrogen in them.

>>213905008
Many places in the US have hard water. Some places even have brown water. If they can't even filter hard water, it's unlikely they would be able to filter out deadly chemicals.

>>213904552 (OP)
in this show they have dragon whitewalker and magic that bring dead into life why do you care about a fat tall guy who lives in a fantasy medieval world?

>>213908239
>just munching on grass
Nigger's got 4 stomachs and can extract the fuck out of nutrients. We can't.

How did this bait thread get so many replies? You guys are seriously fucking retarded

Reminder that anyone with real muscle and strength eats meat and is a racist white supremacist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiRx62VGl8Q

>>213925304
Are you just going around to different threads saying this? Nobody cares if it's "bait" if there is interesting discussion to be had.

>>213925692
If only you knew I was the OP...
Janny can confirm if they aren't too busy banning people for posting celeb threads

>>213925304
No u

>>213917361
>That was the average age of death up until the late 19th century.
Lrn to infant mortality, retard. Tons of people lived to old age, unless they died as children.

>>213925469
>scrawny, unhealthy person has ideas about how other people should live
why are they always like this?

>>213925469
>Your hamburger comes with a dose of misogyny
No wonder it tastes so good.

Fish is virtually infinite in pre-industrial times

>>213926873
Fishing was very dangerous in pre-industrial times.

>>213927443
>QRD?

>>213912827
The 13th century is when the steppe chads who survived on nothing but meat and dairy came and gaped china, so either China was fibbing about their max reps or they're the mongo workout routines.

>>213923224
>training and battles aren't enough to stay fit, you need to go to a gym and lift weights like a retard
Get a load of this gymcel.

>>213914281
i meant like with no oxygen to your brain

>>213920867
Doesn't work 100% of the time. Bear meat for example is riddled with worms and parasites as well, and should not be eaten unless its a last resort

>>213914281
>My own record is 3:20 but that's child's play.
I should begin practicing this too in my spare time, you never know when it might come in handy. Thanks anon

>>213912827
Imagine being a malnourished peasant, and passing these tests through training and willpower despite environmental limitations. Now, we have shit like "No Child Left Behind" policies that crowd the world with retards.

>>213905316
Too bad he's only 5'11.

They ate natural food instead of the factory produced, corn syrup and onions filled goyslop that you eat today

>>213904552 (OP)
First off european peasants ate meat or fish almost every day, second if youre burning 4000 calories a day doing labour you're going to get 130g of protein if you just ate bread

>>213914281
>My own record is 3:20 but that's child's play. People who specialize in this, like divers, can do it for considerably longer. Obviously this is in ideal circumstances and without moving much (if at all), but still.
I got my wife into breathhold training so we could go free diving. It also has other benefits.

>>213904870
more muscle does not equate to more strength but more mass does generate more force.

>>213927485
Fisherman back then didn't have same modern equipment and services that fisherman have today, like GPS, wireless communication, motorized boats, rescue by coast guard, lifesaving buoys, etc.

For a modern example of how dangerous old school fishing is, you can take a look at North Korea. They use old wooden boats without modern equipment for fishing, resulting in very high fatality rates.

>>213930416
Meat was a luxury good. Peasants didn't own the land nor the livestock, which were all owned by the nobility. They only ate meat on special occasions.

>>213907689
>wow knowledge written in a book is practical
I'm so glad your bloodline will end with you

>>213904586
>Nobles
It's funny how nobles in medieval times ate like crazy, there are lot of recollections of them having gout.

>>213928795
pretty sure Joe Rogan talked about eating bear meat, and Joe Rogan knows everything

>>213904573
>>213904730
According to sissy trainers eating semen does make you stronger but turns you into a girl. Is this true?

>>213921151
>there's a reason "rustic" dishes are just vegetable and pasta/bread
You lost me there. Some sort of meat stew seems like the most common traditional dish.

>>213912827
It was all bullshit to keep the plebs out. Rich people could just pay off the examiners and get in.

>>213927485
River/ ocean monsters

>>213915044
They're just adapting to the times. Women are in charge now and men want in on that.

>>213904552 (OP)
grains have protein
you don't need much, supplements exceed the average person's requirements

>>213919543
It originated in Zestyros.

>>213928795
You retard

>>213907222
>red meat, eggs and fish makes you fat
Ah yes, protein makes you fat.

>>213924364
>them
So you're not male? Tits or gtfo

>>213911789
>inefficient way of being healthy because I don't get the aesthetic a bunch of gay men on youtube parade around as being hot
You faggots need to stop being body dysmorphic.

>>213915327
Spending your day getting a pump on won't make her notice you, anon.

>>213904552 (OP)
Everybody looked like the Mountain back then. It's only now with microplastics and corn oils that men have shrunken into effeminate slackjawed faggots.

>>213936443
>he actually believes this

>>213930282
>too bad he's only above average