Thread 213906662

Why was John Connor a Bart Simpson-esque wisecracker? Wouldn't spending his entire childhood among warlords and other criminals at the edges of society make him a maladjusted weirdo instead of a typical hip 90s kid?

How many Jews creampied his bussy?

>Whythread
>retarded
Every single time.

>>213906662 (OP)
This is James Cameron we're speaking about. Deep, subtle and complex characters and Cameron is like oil and water.

Would the movie have been better if the character had sucked?
>but it would've been more realistic!
Your feigned obsession with authenticity for social media clout is slowing you down in every conceivable sense, this is not vague fix your life by going for a jog type advice, stop doing specifically that thing now now now now

>>213906662 (OP)
>warlords
His mom was probably banging fat ex-GIs she met at the local VFW

>>213906662 (OP)
can we finally admit T2 sucks and that james cameron is bad at writing?
how'd he get away with writing this little dipshit?

because it was the early 90's and James Cameron couldn't help himself

>>213906679
Nigger just say youre having pedo thoughts yourself

>>213906662 (OP)
where's the twink John Conner poster when we need him

had a gay crush on this kid tbqh.

>>213906823
LMAO

>>213906725
what if someone just said this about Picasso? i mean, people did, right?

and i know only his 'later work' was cutting-edge and weird, but it was mostly schizo nonsense like picrel. (spoilered, it is a nude, but it is art.)

>>213908503
>>213906679

Kill yourself

It was a 90s thing, the asshole teen that skates and paints grafitti was an unavoidable type of character. It was so heavily pushed in all media as the only way to be cool as a teen.
Douchebag era.

>>213906662 (OP)
Because it was entertaining and fun? Why do people nowadays need realism in movies, and why is this "realism" always miserable and dreary? Has to be a good bit of projection going on.
>>213906725
Still a great talent.

>>213908570
Having grown up in the 90's, most of us were assholes. Sorry we didn't spend all day indoors browsing youtube videos.

>>213906679
This is why we hated them. Because they're allowed to hit that and the law lets them get away with it.

The irreverent, snarky, sarcastic slick thing was what GenX was all about, it remained a trope well into the early 2000s

>>213908731
>9/11 happens.
>"Man, fuck Bin Laden."

>>213906679
At least he saw Punky Brewster's milk mountains pre-reduction

>>213908731
Why is everything popular in the 90's attributed to Gen X? Bart Simpson and John Conner were aimed at older millennials. Gen Xers were too old to do the Bartman.

>>213908472
at the galleria
captcha MAPXK

>>213906684
Wherefore is it like this?

>>213906662 (OP)
test

>>213906662 (OP)
Because Cameron was the original quip machine. Everything people blame Whedon for started with Cameron.

>>213908857
>Older millennials
You could just as easily say late Gen X

>>213908692
>This is why we hated them. Because they're allowed to hit that and the law lets them get away with it.
we know

>>213908857
The Simpsons wasn't aimed at small children. It being huge with young millennials was a happy accident

>>213909404
But we're millennials by any normal classification. The real "90's kids" are millennials. Not Gen X.
>>213909651
But Bartmania was because the character was popular with millennial kids. Not Gen Xers. It doesn't matter who the show was originally aimed at.

>>213909758
I'm late Gen X (1978) and I was a total 90s kid

>>213909793
You're at the tail end of your generation, and we're talking about the trope of the wise cracking kid with attitude character type pushed in movies and shows. You were a teenager when this was still in full swing. That is to say, it was more a millennial thing.

>>213906662 (OP)
He lived with foster parents for a few years after Sarah got locked up. Kids adjust quickly.

>>213908611
>Still a great talent.
I'm not disagreeing. He's very good with structure and premises, but he either deliberately dumbs down his characters to pander to the lowest common denominator or he doesnt know how to write characters that arent stock characters.

>>213908552
>what if someone just said this about Picasso?
The eyerolling part isnt that it is Picasso or Van Gogh or whatever, the eyerolling part is that the scene only exists to give the audience something to go "HA HA LOL I KNOW THAT ISNT SO, STOOPID DUMDUMB". Because Rose's interest in art isnt really relevant to the story, we all ready have the scene where Rose looks through Jacks sketch book, we didnt need this scene. It's just there to make Hockley even more of a cartoon villain than he all ready is.

>>213909984
He sure doesn't seem to give a shit about them getting killed after they took care of him for years

>>213910044
>but he either deliberately dumbs down his characters to pander to the lowest common denominator or he doesnt know how to write characters that arent stock characters
Sort of true, but a more generous interpretation is that he makes blockbusters aimed at a very broad audience. The sort of films he makes don't require characters with great depth - their qualities are based more in their likability and onscreen charm.

>>213909894
Dude that trope was persistent throughout the 80s and was essentially every 80s young male character, Ferris Bueller, Parker Lewis, Marty McFly, etc.

>>213906662 (OP)
Don't have a cow, man.

>>213906725
Bit on the nose

>>213908611
>Because it was entertaining and fun?
It wasn't, though. It was cringe. I never even liked the movie as a kid, but T2 was completely unwatchable as an adult. John is not a likeable character, the portrayl of the terminator as a surrogate father was stupid and not relatable, and the villain completely defied basic physics and the logic of reality.

Also, has anyone thought about this? How the fuck could humans have defeated machines in the future if they had literal shapeshifting liquid metal monsters that couldn't be physically damaged? None of it makes any sense. Cameron just needed to escalate the tension, so he invented a ludicrously overpowered villain.

>>213909894
Average birth year of a milennial was 1988. a 15 year old milennial would be the disney/nickelodeon generation not 90s kids. they werent the trope of the wise cracking blunt smoking skater kid whos parents were absent, that was the latchkey kid generation.

>>213906662 (OP)
T2 has aged badly because of John's Bart catchphrases and the leather biker thing is more gay than badass now

>>213910086
They were dicks

>>213911120
one is childish. there are no scenes that happen in that film a kid wouldn't instantly get. they'd have to be so young they can't appreciate relationships yet but linda hamilton couldn't fit more nicely into a typical fantasy. it's a lot of chasing and running where there's little room to be confused. meanwhile in 2
>sarah is now totally unrecognizable, fairly unattractive and quite scary
>there's a little kid we have to be sensitive enough to understand could one day be the battle-hardened commander shown during the intro
>there's some weird sexual stuff right off the bat with the waitress showing cock-shock in response to arnold
>whereas in the acquiring clothes punk scene in 1 you gotta' be a homosexual scot reading into things to pick up on all that stuff
>we have to understand who stepparents are and everything that entails
>you have to be emotionally intelligent enough to appreciate the position john is in re: sarah
>there's a full PTSD arc with sarah and little kids know nothing about PTSD
>sarah becoming a terminator while the terminator becomes a human is too heady a theme for kids to pick up on
>we get a fully realized legitimate black character who doesn't possess a single stereotype and dies like a hero (another thing kids can't appreciate)
there's so much more emotional stuff going on beyond two young attractive people loving each other in a desperate situation.

>>213911120
>It was cringe.
Didn't read past this. Go cry cringe somewhere else, zoomer fag.
>>213911190
Doesn't matter what the average age of all millennials is. We're talking about a fad that was popular from the very end of the 80's, and throughout the 90's. The majority of kids during this time were not Gen X, and this trope wasn't aimed at 15 year olds. 15 year olds weren't what caused Bartmania.
>latchkey kid generation
Older millennials were still latchkey kids. Helicopter parenting came later.

>>213911361
It tickles me a little that any bikers I see nowadays are geriatric looking motherfuckers who are all at least half deaf from riding around on bikes for so long. Fuck ‘em

>>213906662 (OP)
He spent a good amount of time hopping from foster home to foster home. He would have been maladjusted, but he would have had some sort of middle class suburban upbringing.

>>213906823
Yeah Sarah probably was t hanging out with top stock warlords or military guys . She knew some Mexican guys who did merc work and probably some halfwit survivalists and doomsday preppers. No super serious or idealistic individuals, none of them made good role models or father figures( which is why John is so attached to the t-800)
He probably wasn’t getting any legitimate manifestos or ideals driven into him by them. Was probably watching bootleg VHS tapes of action movies and shit

>>213911473
Are you trying to say T2 is deep? Because it isn't. Adding moving parts to a story doesn't make it good. In fact, T1 being more stresmlined works in its favor. The stakes are clear.
>there's some weird sexual stuff right off the bat with the waitress showing cock-shock in response to arnold
>whereas in the acquiring clothes punk scene in 1 you gotta' be a homosexual scot reading into things to pick up on all that stuff
What the fuck are you talking about? Both scenes are clearly about Arnold being nude and it has nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the viewer.
>>213911515
>Didn't read past this.
Admitting you don't read is never a flex, retard. And I'm a millennial, not a zoomer.

>>213911766
>And I'm a millennial, not a zoomer
Then stop acting like a zoomer fag. You're an adult using the word cringe. You are old.

>>213911515
>15 year olds weren't what caused Bartmania.
T2 came out in 91. The average milennial was 3 years old, what the fuck are you talking about. When referring to 90's kids it's usually about adolescents, not actual children. And what the fuck does the simpsons have to do with anything

>>213912307
>2 came out in 91. The average milennial was 3 years old,
And the average Gen Xer was around 20. Almost like this isn't a useful statistic. What matters is the proportion of kids during this time, and they were mostly millennials. That's why TMNT is usually considered a millennial property even though the average millennial was apparently 1 year old when it came out.
>When referring to 90's kids it's usually about adolescents, not actual children.
It would depend on what exactly you're talking about, but kids is going to be between 5 and 16ish, and in the 90's, that was mostly millennials.
>And what the fuck does the simpsons have to do with anything
Uh, did you not read the OP? We're talking about the trope of the 90's kid with attitude trope, which was aimed at and mostly appealed to 90's kids.

>>213906662 (OP)
Are you retarded? (rhetorical question)

>>213906679
Bro can we have a thread that stays on topic for more than one FUCKING post! FUCK THIS SITE I CAN FUCKING GUESS WHAT RACIST / HOMOPHOBIC/ TRANSPHOBIC AND OF COURSE ANTI SEMETIC WISE CRACK IS COMING LITERALLY ANYTIME I OPEN UP A THREAD. HOLY FUCKING JESUS H CHRIST DUDE FUCK THIS PEACE I'm fucking out

>be Edward Furlong
>hear Cameron is doing a 3rd Terminator movie
>Arnie is back
>Linda Hamilton is back
>realise there's no way they won't be bringing John Connor back
>"This is it."
>"This is my moment."
>"This is what I've been waiting for."
>get out of bed
>dust off the old boombox and hit play
>"yewwwww could be miiiine!"
>feeling motivated as fuck
>open curtains
>pour 47 bottles of cheap vodka down the sink
>about to dump cocaine down the toilet, but remember you snorted it all last night
>vomit
>shit
>shit while vomiting between your legs onto the shit
>actually use mouthwash instead of drinking it
>cry
>vomit
>go to the bank
>take out every remaining penny you own
>$1,462
>pay for a year long gym membership
>can't afford rent
>lose your apartment
>sleep in your car
>work out for 4 hours a day
>use gym to shower and shit
>survive on the remnants of kale shakes other gym members leave behind
>7 months later
>lean and muscular
>boyish good looks have returned
>haven't cried in 19 days
>call in a few favours and get an audition for James fucking Cameron's new Terminator flick
>walk into audition room
>James is astounded
>his nose is trembling
>"My God. Eddie, is that you? You look fantastic! But how? We thought you were at death's door!"
>look him dead in the eye and give a sly smile
>"The whole thing goes: The future's not set. There's no fate but what we make for ourselves."
>whole room erupts
>cheers
>hollers
>everyone's on their feet
>James is chanting, "BRAVO! BRAVO!"
>"We got Skynet by the balls now, don't we?"
>someone passes out
>James is crying
>I can't believe what's happening
>I've never been so happy
>"So, Jimmy. Do I got the job, or do I got the job?"
>"I'm sorry. We've already hired Idris Elba."

>>213912477
Wrong. Why the fuck do milennials try to claim the 90s. Anyway I'm GenX and I don't give a fuck. I also keep it real. What do you milennial faggots know about whoops dey it is. You were never down with OPP. I was dodging drive by's while you were masturbating to Blues Clues

>>213912938
>Wrong.
Convincing.
>Why the fuck do milennials try to claim the 90s.
Because we were there and a lot of popular culture catered to us?
>Anyway I'm GenX and I don't give a fuck. I also keep it real. What do you milennial faggots know about whoops dey it is. You were never down with OPP. I was dodging drive by's while you were masturbating to Blues Clues
You sound more like a zoomer fag.

>>213913184
Don't be like that son. I loved your mom. That ass was phat.

>>213912535
sad

>>213906662 (OP)
>very good, BELOVED and iconic charcter/movie
>"NOO YOU SEE IT'S ACTUALLY SHIT!!"

/thread

>>213913522
>very good, BELOVED and iconic charcter
Found the pedo

>>213906662 (OP)
adios cowabunga