Thread 213919004

>The Judge is YOU
Stopped reading right there

Hard to take this book seriously because of its fans. They seem like young boys who sre excited they get to read the word nigger. Is it really his magum opus? If so, why?

>>213919432
The fans of the book haven't read it. They watched a youtube video about it.

>>213919432
read it and see for yourself

>>213919004 (OP)
The version I read just had a mirror on the last page.

>>213919004 (OP)
>>213919432
>>213919558
>>213919572
I've read the book 1.5 times, the .5 being recent, and I've forgotten nearly everything about it. Very overrated

>>213919004 (OP)
I just read this 3 months ago. Where does it say that?

>>213919618
IDK man it's more of a 'vibes' book. It's not really about laying out some kind of thesis, it's more about showing a character with all these very positive traits choosing to be the worst person in the world, and then asking you to think about if they'd have survived as long if they were trying to be good.

>>213919618
Wow, you're so smart. Please give me a list of books that are actually worth my time.

>>213919618
You've forgotten something you just read?

>>213919618
Skill issue, I can recall a dozen or so scenes from it vividly, and do regularly. Read it several years ago too.

>>213919432
That is admittedly most of the fans but it's also a very well written book and corncob's best as far as prosody goes
Suttree is the better book and my personal favorite though
>>213919618
likely a fault of reading comprehension

>>213919765
What is the most profound scene in your opinion?

>>213919750
The Bible
>>213919764
The .5 was probably around a year ago.

>>213919432
The only reason the word nigger is in the book is because that was the vernacular of the time. I just read The Thicket, which is set turn of the century in Eastern Texas. Nigger was on every 4th page. To me the books are more about navigating morality in settings where it is hard to find. Both novels wrestle more with issues that are common to humanity: violence's place in the world, survival, coming of age, etc.

Simpletons who are obsessed with "oooh he said the N word, this is the le heckin greatest book ever" are not the target audience. McCarthy's writing style is not accessible.

>>213920167
I couldnt care less nigger. But you 4chan niggers seems to.

>>213919592
Kino

>>213919004 (OP)
But Judge Holden is literally an alien
McCarthy all but tells you in the book

>>213919432
>Hard to take this book seriously because of its fans
You are a fucking retard.

>>213919823
The kid's rape scene

>>213919004 (OP)
I only read about 40 pages of this, forgot why I stopped.
The diction, i.e., word choice, alone is interesting and "fun" to think about.

Okay let’s say blood meridian does get a movie adaptation. The whole appeal being unadaptable. What book will everyone latch onto next as unadaptable?

>>213919432
It's tryhard edgelord garbage, but amerimutts are so uncultured they will consider it fine art simply because it's a bit more sophisticated than mumble rap

>>213919823
>There are four things that will ruin the world....

>>213919572
>men are... LE VIOLENT
BRAVO MCCARTHY
SO DEEP!

>>213919432
What is true of one man, said the judge, is true of many. The people who once lived here are called the Anasazi. The old ones. They quit these parts, routed by drought or disease or by wandering bands of marauders, quit these parts ages since and of them there is no memory. They are rumors and ghosts in this land and they are much revered. The tools, the art, the building? These things stand in judgement on the latter races. Yet there is nothing for them to grapple with. The old ones are gone like phantoms and the savages wander these canyons to the sound of an ancient laughter. In their crude huts they crouch in darkness and listen to the fear seeping out of the rock. All progressions from a higher to a lower order are marked by ruins and mystery and a residue of nameless rage. So. Here are the dead fathers. Their spirit is entombed in the stone. It lies upon the land with the same weight and the same ubiquity. For whoever makes a shelter of reeds and hides has joined his spirit to the common destiny of creatures and he will subside back into the primal mud with scarcely a cry. But who builds in stone seeks to alter the structure of the universe and so it was with these masons however primitive their works may seem to us.

>>213921065
Naked Lunch (faithfully)

>>213919432
Each and every sentence is perfect. The narrative perfectly captures the lurid violence and beauty of existence. The characters are compelling and distinct despite their starkness. The setting is the perfect backdrop to illustrate the nature of man vs nature, since the American West was truly primal yet connected to modernity.

There are beautiful depictions of the vast and varied landscape of North America, as well as nauseating depictions of brutal violence. There's a human compulsion to exist alongside a human compulsion to destroy. There's the audacious act of survival as well as the altogether lethal reality of existence. There are passages that make your stomach churn, and passages that make you appreciate being alive.

Yeah, it says nigger a bunch. A lot of dudes get their shit chopped and blasted. But it's like the Sopranos. There's two levels of fans. The retards who clap and bay for violence and titties, and the others who get that the whole thing was about being alive in a dying civilization.

The scene in the dunes is still really chilling to me. After all the things we’ve read about the judge doing or implied to have been doing, the Kid is put in the scenario of being prey to the most dangerous thing imaginable.

What's the craziest, most horrible shit the judge does? I've only read *about* the book and its characters.

>>213921808
It's implied he anally rapes and kills a young native American child.

>>213919004 (OP)
>>213919432
I don't give a shit if redditors got a hold of this book. I love the wild west and this is a very comfy read.

>>213921808
He fucks and kills kids across the entire southwest.

>>213921808
Probably the puppies

>>213921065
Storm of Steel

>>213921282
This is actually unadaptable unless the MPAA wants to look the other way on child orgies

>>213922034
what's he do with the puppies?

>>213922196
Buys them from some young kid and immediately throws them in a river. Another gang member shoots them dead as they go past.

>>213921274
Based. Love his writing.

>>213921065
What makes Blood Meridian unfilmable? Its a very vivid book and when reading it was able to visualize scenes clearly in my head. It could easily be turned into a comic book or graphic novel

>>213922438
The plot is horrific and difficult to market to an audience outside of fans of the book. Movies have to make money, and this one would absolutely flop with the budget that would be needed to do it right.

>>213919004 (OP)
Mogged eternally by Moby Dick.

>>213922509
Facts

>Muh heckin poor """"native"""" Americans
Read and enjoyed it when I was a teenager but I can't stomach this bullshit anymore. White people are the only ones constantly apologizing for themselves and their countries past actions.

>>213922476
They screwed up filming The Road. They took the most ghastly scene and turned it into a basic thriller 'will they get caught' thing. I doubt they will have the stones to do Blood Meridian justice.

>>213922671
He portrays the Apaches in this as the demons from hell that they were
That being said I think, being American, he is a bit of a race cuck. At least for blacks
He says 'nigger' a lot but he never really says blacks are bad and goes out of his way to show they can be just as much as whites

>>213922690
what they should do is a musical

>>213922438
HBO mini series would work better than a movie. Staring Pedro Pascal and Idris Elba

>>213919432
it's a keanu reeves movie of a book

>>213922671
Imagine missing the point this hard

>>213920920
Filtered. The Kid is not raped in the end.

>>213922438
The only thing “unfilmable” about it is the length. There just so much depth that even in a 3.5 hour movie large portions would get dropped. Other may argue that it’s “ “ unfilmable”” because it’s essentially a roving rape band of whites going out, scalping chugs and saying nigger.

>>213922438
nothing people just say that to give the book mystique

>>213922438
They say the nigger word a lot and kill people.

scorsese should make the movie since he loves glorifying evil people

>>213924010
I'll never forgive him for making Jordan Belfort look cool

>>213919750
try the kindergarten classic My Two Dads by Ari Goldensteinberg

>>213919004 (OP)
I'm gonna spoil but I hate how the Kid wakes up at the end and it was all a dream. fucking hack.

>>213924223
you would jolt awake to if you dreamed you got raped

>>213924223
It was a time skip not a dream you mongrel. He's old at the end and gets clowned on by that group of boys before he blasts the one for fucking around too much. Then he gets his hole fuckin gaped by the Judge in the outhouse.

>>213919004 (OP)
Why did the man try to fuck a midget

>>213921808

He killed a baby that he was playing with minutes earlier. Made one of the other bad guys really angry

>>213922729
Those were Comanches, you illiterate pseud. The Apaches were certainly fucking savages, but they looked like Quakers compared to the Comanches.

>>213922736
HBO of 2004 could have done this well. These days, not so much.

>>213924223
Not sure if youre joking or not but i hate u :)

>>213924385
it was a dog

>>213924337
>Then he gets his hole fuckin gaped by the Judge in the outhouse.
This does not actually happen, if you read the book.

>evil character makes long speeches about how Humanity is X
>none of the other characters do anything other than make bad arguments or non-arguments
>evil character is right all the time and all powerful
This is grade school power fantasy level writing.

>>213924446
I really hate the 'le gay sex lololo!!' thing. It is not funny anymore. Just annoying. Do we really have to hear about gay anal sex constantly?

>>213924390
>LE DURRR LE DURR DURR DURR DURRRR
Wow thanks SO MUCH. I can see how misremembering a tribe makes someone a "pseud." That was an important thing to say.

>>213924223
>>213924223
I hated when the Kid walked into the jakes at the end he said out loud "Erm, he's right behind me isn't he?" Felt really out of place tonally from the rest of the book. WTF was McCarthy thinking?

>>213924687
stop it anon some people don't appreciate the joke

>>213924446
Then wtf were those dudes so horrified to see when they opened the door to the outhouse?

>Booming, operatic voice
>Weird child face
>Theatrically trained Broadway actor who can believably play towards people literally sitting there watching him and hit his mark with excellence
>His fag voice and mannerisms will make him appear even MORE 'different' and 'odd' compared to his surroundings, as The Judge should
Nathan Lane would be a KINO Judge Holden

>>213924977
He's not terrifying, he's just an asshole.

>>213924997
Fuck the title, it's a solid essay/literary analysis of the Judge for anyone interested.

>>213925032
He's a platform for the author's misanthropy. He's not worth discussing.

>>213924757
Something even more horrific.

>>213925053
actually I meant to post this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgyZ4ia25gg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZFmf4T5L3o

>>213921808
Public nudity, loitering

>>213924757
One interpretation is that it could be the body of the missing girl. The man accepted the Judge's philosophy and murders her.

Of course a board like this filled with anonymous, transgender pseuds amd literal retarded zoomers would balk at a masterpiece, you faggots complain about fucking EVERYTHING. This isn’t even tv related…

>>213925167
Which is retarded because not even seconds before he tells the Judge off.

>>213921681
Why didn't the kid shoot him

>>213924508
Let's hear your good arguments then, genius

>>213921946
Implied? He is a pedophile serial killer who rapes and kills children at every town they stop in.

>>213922438
No female characters. Its the kiss of the death for screen adaptation.

>>213925458
Name one (1) bad movie with no female characters. I'll wait.

>>213925417
The kid was the one harming children, not the Judge. Kids only ever get molested when the kid and Judge are on page together, and the Judge makes fun of the priest for being a pedo in the beginning of the book. The Man is the one who kills the bear girl after he failed to fuck the weird dwarf midget.

>>213919004 (OP)
>The Judge is YOU
This never happens, it's just a theory due to the ending being vague, the judge could have killed the kid in the outhouse at the end for all we know
>stopped reading right there
It's literally the last page of the book, so you stopped reading at the end

nice b8 thread m8 i r8 it an 8/8

>>213919432
I don’t remember the word nigger being used
I do remember the black mercenary who slit the throat of the openly racist mercenary thoughbeit

>>213925258
The Judge's arguments are classic amorality combined with painting humanity as a totalitarian force that conquers nature. It's just a self-hating interpretation of Humans that wouldn't be out of place in James Cameron's Avatar.
The reality is that Humanity is a net positive for the world, progress is possible, and "the Judge" himself can only operate when he is surrounded by weak men who allow themselves to be cowed by his bullshit - see any era of despotism. The minute intelligent moral people start working together, faggots like the Judge get hung from a tree.

>>213925197
Does he? The judge keeps talking and it sounds like maybe the kid finally is giving in.
Anyways I think it's fucking gay it ended on a cliffhanger with no clear outcome. Major bullshit. It could at least hint, but there's literally nothing so it's pointless to discuss the ending, which weakens the whole story.

>>213925503
This interpretation again.
The judge had a 12 year old girl in his room when the Yuma broke in.

>>213925544
>Humanity is a net positive for the world, progress is possible
The entirety of recorded history and the present state of the world strongly suggest otherwise.

>>213925535
you must not have read the book, they say it a bunch, that old slave catcher the kid runs in to at the beginning says only four things can destroy civilization: women, whiskey, money and niggers

I figured it out. Brendon Fraser as the judge. Everyone else are muppets.

>>213925605
And? She was alive. Only kids that are on the same page as the Kid die/are raped

>>213925658
>Beeker as The Kid

>>213925696
Yeah I'm sure the Judge just kept her in there for decoration. Your theory falls apart.

>>213921065
Django happened, so there's a chance for Blood Meridian. But I have my doubts any director could be faithful to the source material or understand it correctly, with them probably being mad at the Indians doing savage shit and not showing any of it.

>>213925624
>Le durrr durrr durrr
NTA but do you know what the natural world looks like? Everything just eating everything else. Man has done great works at improving the state of it.

>>213925791
In western times I’m pretty sure it was “normal”, there was no age of consent and many got married to young girls like that. If she was dead, your refutation would work, but the Judge was a man of the time (not excusing it).

>>213922438
Negative portrayal of Mexicans and Indians. It has a lot of scenes of Native Americans doing fucked up shit and that pissed people off back when the book came out. The point isn't that they are evil, as the gang do the same shit, it was that people romanticize a lot of cultures and disregard factual fucked up shit they did and this book didn't sugar coat or hide that Natives weren't saints like people try to portray them all the time.

That shit alone is why this would be a challenge to ever get made.

>>213925881
You said
>Kids only ever get molested when the kid and Judge are on page together
The judge does stuff to children multiple times without The Kid.

>>213924938
I personally always imagined Christopher Lloyd as The Judge. He pretty much matched the characters look in Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

>>213925957
“Does stuff” is not killing/raping them. Cite some examples if you’re foing to refute the theory

>>213919823
the baby being bashed into a rock is still with me to this day. almost 10 years now since i read it

>>213926157
He's obviously raping them. He has a naked 12 year old chained up. Your theory doesn't work.

>>213926157
>Real life accounts of the man depict him as a rapist murderer
>In the book children disappear after being seen with him
I wonder what the implication is there

>>213919004 (OP)
The black reared his head at the sight of the lubricious form of the judge's pale phallus serpentine it wandered gazing out into the world as an infant unborn and yet undesired brought into the world cold and pale and unbreathing. Its pillaric form shone brightly in the void the pillar stood mute upon the black promontory a monolith wrought in obscene geometry. The Judge took to a foul chimeric cacophany of grunting as his member penetrated serene the fistula of the niggers anus dark and unmoving in that sea of serpentine parades the Judge set to stirring up the very soul and the thrice uncottered dreams of the buck were fetched as if a pulque upon the sunborn indigo infant of the world yet unawakened in this land or any other. His breaking came forth as if unbidden into that old night the shadows long and gristled as each thrust was delivered ungouged and unrequited it's eldritch desire can be found buried deep within the hearts of men. As some titan cherubim this pale form let out a cry in the tongues not of man or beast but like to an infernal register unheard in this world since that brought forth tears from the eyes of the watchers and were rendered as stars that danced like naked pygmies upon the bastion of Babylon.The watchers members taken also in hand at their opportunity to arrive unbidden into the bastion of that forsaken womb to bring forth not a child of god but a buck rendered broken upon the firmament which would render the dreams of that infernal race delivered asunder unto the world, writhing and unformed but yet natural in the land that conjured it.

>>213921808
The craziest most horrific part of the book was the Comanche attack. That chapter made my stomach churn

>>213926222
>>213926269
The Kid is..ya know…a kid. Very likely he himself was abused and fucked up from his time with the Judge and became a rapist himself

>>213926327
are you by chance a pussy?

>>213919558
The irony of that statement when you troons think the nigger word was used anymore in Blood Meridian than the average Mark Twain novel

>>213925978
Maybe with a couple more pounds on

>>213926222
No he doesn’t…

>>213925978
>>213926424
That or maybe Marlon Brando during his Apocalypse Now era, but with a few less pounds.

War is...........LE GOOD

>>213926506
I'm not sure the point was that it was good, only that it always has existed and always will.

>>213925580
The end is clear. The Kid embraces The Judges ideology and the “Judge” lives eternal.
>He says that he will never die.

After the encounter in the desert, where the Judge intentionally shoots the Kids reflection and speaks only words for him to hear, the kid spends the rest of his life wandering the US seeking something, seeking himself, seeking his reflection. He finally meets the Judge again, in a bar where a haze so thick mutes any persons reflection in the mirror. Now, whether or not the Kid kills the girl, or just accepts the Judges morality, is irrelevant. It’s clear that he is embraced in the flesh of the Judge, as in he has become one with the judge, and the “judge” will live forever.

>>213926586
so IT IS good

>>213926586
> It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.

>>213925820
Are you not a man eating everything else? Is everything around you not trying to eat you? Are you that detached from nature that cannot see what life actually is?

>>213926607
Well, no. Something existing doesn't automatically make it good or bad.

>>213925624
>did you know Humans are sometimes bad to one another? that means all of Humanity is bad!
Yawn.

>>213922438
you have to hide the main character for half the movie, and film it in away where he's not implicated in the atrocities, while showing him there.

>>213926667
Yeah I was meming but the Judge does relies in it and justifies as something eternal, something inherit

>>213926725
A character that hardly speaks and just makes subtle expression of emotion throughout would be pretty interesting. And to be fair, GTA III managed that with all their cutscenes, minus the emotion aspect of course.

>>213926716
>sometimes

>>213926767
The judge isn't justifying anything. He is merely observing what can be seen by anyone who actually perceives reality.

>>213926725
>>213926785
It would just be tougher to pull off. BM is pretty straight forward to film, just don't give a fuck about le atrocities

When black Jackson picks up the coin in the river, do you think it was the one The Judge used for the coin trick?

>>213919004 (OP)
Take it to /lit/ you stupid turd

I don't think you could film the tree of dead babies.

>>213926841
Except people have chosen to not commit atrocities. Believe it or not, you can choose to not be an animal. Honor and Chivalry

>>213926879
Just make it under heavy shadow and the implication of it is enough

did anyone else like the counselor?

>>213926308
kek

>>213926982
I liked Javier bardems shirt

>>213927086
how about his haircut?

so the opening would be the tent scene
the turn is the saloon massacre
and the ending is the bar with judge.
you'd have to cut the ferry, the mining town the 2nd town, Elias attack, California, they'd have to keep the appachie raid and judge speech, cut todevine cut hermit, cut captain, cut first Indian attack?

>>213927233
They were Comanches, not Apaches, you racist.

>>213927233
The hermit is most essential scene in the entire book, btw

It's unfilmable because what makes the novel great is hard to capture on film. How do you convey the layers of meaning, literary references and prose that fucks with the reader in multiple ways in cinematography? So much of the book is referential and built on the readers experience. How do you even begin to translate what makes the book great into film? It's not Stephen King, the actual events that happen aren't the only point.


Gore isn't an issue.

>>213919432
It's a really, truly profound work on the nature of evil. It has its flaws, largely with McCarthy's thesaurus-shopping rhetoric, but it is an absolute masterwork.

>>213922438
>What makes Blood Meridian unfilmable?

There are no John Fords to make the landscape photography a character itself. It has to be Apocalypse Now inna desert mountains with blackpowder 'gun play', requiring a Marlon Brando Col. Kurtz performance carrying the entire length of the film. The kinds of actors required to cast it right (Mel Gibson, Glanton) are too expensive or aging out (like Vincent D'Onofrio for Judge Holden). The political climate will ensure it's received in bad faith critically as an (agit)prop to declaim variations on the Kill Whitey champagne slacktivist theme. The stunt choreography has to be the opening Indian raid of The Revenant the entire time. And there has to be the subtly to leave it open to interpretation. And the Directors working all only have one element required (Eggers' period pieces, McDonaugh's political allegory and nature shots in Banshees of Inishirin, Von Trier understanding the mission with the America Trilogy, but refuses to fly and is an alcoholic wreck.)

The time for it to have been done would have been late 70s to late 80s, early 90s at the Blockbuster latest. It's an immense liability, and invariably only inadequate director talent will take it on out of naivete. An indirect adaptation in Japan or Eastern Europe in some 30 Years War setting would have to break the ground for a proper Anglophone one.

>>213924938
Needs to be a balance on physicality. Height can be shot around (e.g. Tom Hardy as Bane), but there are limitations. If picrel was still around, I think he'd be good in a similar vein as Lane; he can do menacing while having the baby face.

>>213926606
Explain the part about reflections not sure I follow

>>213926725
Why?

>>213926841
The judge makes shit up. That's why he goes on those long discourses and then when they believe him he laughs and calls them fools. Because he's lying.

>>213927266
Are you memeing or do you actually see some significance to it?

>>213925079
>a woman talking about books

>>213919004 (OP)
>gore, rape, and they say nigger
Really? This is your epitome of media?

>>213927554
Yes.

I'm not american and knew almost nothing about the wild west when I read this.
I understood that the HT in Toadvine's forehead meant horse thief, but I had no idea about the F in the middle. In a later passage, when the gang returns to the town to party after massacring the indians, there's a passage that mentions how he and another member of the gang slept in the arms of one another, so I just assumed the F stood for faggot

>>213925978
He's got in in Roger Rabbit. Being so gaunt, I think he'd have been good for Tobin in his younger years too.

>>213926475
Hear me out--

>>213927548
He sums up all the worlds problems, and he is absolutely correct. He knows the (literal) heart of a nigger, and is uniquely qualified to understand their nature, due to the nature of his former trade. He is also a homosex creeper, and gives The Kid an important lesson.

>>213925978
>>213927596
kino choice

>>213927554
It helps nobody to be reductionist

>>213927586
The F is for Felon. Same with the ear cropping.

>>213927478
So for all the really really heinous stuff the main character the kid, is never describe in those scenes even though he's there, and its made in a way where you can't tell how much participation he had. so its ambiguous about how far his character sinks

>>213926606
>Old Testament morality

Killed a man propositioning him as a rent boy outside the bar out on the coast. Killed the calumnizing punkass bone picker brother out on the prairie right before the final Judge meeting. Other men are lustfully seeking the Dancing Bear girl, now unemployed and set to immenently become a prostitute-- my money's on the redemptive lens on all his past deeds with the gang being preparation to take a life, delivering frontier mercy, given what comes immediately after in the epilogue. Ex-Priest Tobin the Tempter's too no the nose. A film version would have to telegraph this heavily to be tolerated at all, even if not the Author's intention.

>>213927683
>F for Felon

6th letter of the alphabet. Mark of a Beast if I ever saw one.

Cormac McCarthy is a fucking hack who doesn't know how to use punctuation or write in anything that isn't a run on sentence.

>>213919004 (OP)
Wrong board, you fucking retard.
>>>/lit/