Thread 213926476

Why isn't anyone addressing some of the MORE OBVIOUS problems with this movie?

Nothing in this film really makes any sense in the light of day, and even given the benefit of every doubt each scene lacks any real dramatic impact. Your brain is doing double-duty trying to make logical sense of what you're seeing, starting with the Abrams-Death-Star level lack of concern for time and space.
eg.
>Lex goes to the Fortress of Solitude in Antarctica
>we see him and his henchmen landing and getting off some kind of VTOL plane
>once inside he says he's created 'a distraction' to prevent Superman showing up
>see henchmen releasing tiny kaiju (evidently a flashback to the previous night in Metropolis)
Fine. So we'll go ahead and assume that Lex is smart enough to only land at the Fortress when the Kaiju is big enough to actually distract Superman. Not a problem yet, and it's not expecting too much for the audience to put that timeline together so far for the sake of that cut.
>Superman and Justicefags finish fighting Kaiju, (which didn't seem to take all that long).
>meanwhile, Lex has already got back from Antarctica, had multiple experts analyse and endorse a completely alien translation, and is in-studio mid-interview

What your brain now has to figure out/allow/justify:
>How Lex got back from Antarctica and did all that in that time
>When in the Kaiju timeline did he land in Antarctica? Before or after we see Superman fighting the kaiju?
If before he risks discovery at the Fortress. If after it's literally impossible for him to do all that crap.

Sure you can assume Superman was fighting the kaiju for hours before we see him mid-fight with it, but either way that's unnecessary and annoying work your brain is doing on a totally unnecessary logical WTF? instead of just watching the film.

It stands out because Gunn was never guilty of that kind of Abrams-level incompetence in the 'Guardians' movies or any of his other work that I can recall. Bad time to start doing it now.

>>213926476 (OP)
Doesn't Lex have a teleportation device in the movie?

s-shut the chud up.

>>213926476 (OP)
Because /tv/ is as botted as reddit. This can't even really be called a "movie". It's just AI generated slop.

>>213926539
Yes, he literally has fucking boom tubes, but they're totally not boom tubes for some reason.

>>213926539
>>213926676
Sure. Now logically try to work his use of those into his trip to and from Antarctica, I double-dog dare you.

You can start by explaining why he uses the VTOL plane at all.

You'll discover you just get wrapped around the axle the more you try to explain shit and shoehorn it to fit some kind of logical framework consistent with the rest of the film. A perfect example of exactly what I'm talking about, and shit you shouldn't even have to think about at all - especially at the same time you're watching the film.

>>213926955
>You can start by explaining why he uses the VTOL plane at all.
The portals are in fixed positions, so its unlikely he has one direct beside the fortress.

>>213926955
Because the "movie" is fucking stupid. Don't expect me to put more thought into it than the pedo did.

>>213926476 (OP)
Lex has a teleportation network spread across the world, plus better tech than we do so most likely much faster plans. Can we assume travel time is pretty inconsequential then?

He's one of the richest most powerful men on the planet. Can we assume he could fast track some tech experts review and get a spot on 24 hour news channel for some massive breaking news?

Antarctica is also on a different day/night cycle than somewhere like Metropolis making it next to impossible to actually sync up when the monster is released. Lex could have easily had multiple hours to set everything up which would be plenty of time.

The distraction timing, when Lex wanted Superman to engaged with the monster, why he thought the Justice Gang wouldn't just handle it like they handled that interdimensional squid could be called into question. But at the same time, the Ultraman and the Engineer proved to be pretty capable of holding off Superman, so maybe he wasn't 100% relying on the distraction.

>>213927004
>>213927226
Okay, so he used it for short-range transport from the portal to the Fortress.

Not that he couldn't have just put one right outside the Fortress if he wanted anyway. We see that the Fortress had no external sensors or monitoring whatsoever, (in an age where the average fag has a motion sensing camera in their fucking doorbell), so the robots - or even Superman himself - doesn't notice the black Engineer against the white ice background outside the Fortress prior, so are shocked when Lex waltzes in.

So in the allotted time, he boarded his VTOL, flew to the portal somewhere, went through the portal, to presumably the one in his building, then he used local transport in Metropolis to get to the studio so he could be there in person. Presumably he changed out of his Antarctic gear into a suit in the meantime, so on the VTOL plane or in-transit in Metropolis.

Meanwhile he had the message transmitted to the translation and computer experts, who were all awake and not too busy doing anything else to verify the alien message they totally were not expecting to get that day, (because Lex wasn't specifically expecting to find one until he actually did), and they ran their own analyses somehow and relayed that back to Lex and/or media with their cred on the line, (maybe Lex bribed them who the fuck knows, but all that was negotiated on the fly).

And sure who knows what time it is in Antarctica vs Metropolis, but I'm not even sure Gunn knows that the Earth has day and night at different times on different areas of the globe considering Superman needs sunlight to heal, so they take him to the Kent farm at night instead of the day side of Earth.

See how much mental work you have to do to try to make even the timeline work? It's arguably worse than the JJ Death Star multi-planet destroying laser shit and just stupid/inept/lazy on Gunn's part where he makes it your fucking problem to figure out basic shit that should be in the movie.

>>213926476 (OP)
You're a fucking retard.
Lex was in Antarctica at the same time it was night in Metropolis.
This is the best India has? These are the brainiacs they send for their shilling?

>See how much mental work you have to do to try to make even the timeline work?

Not really.
We know Lex has fast travel so he uses that to get to the Fortress and back in a minimal amount of time.
We know Lex and the world has comic book levels of tech, so he uses that to send the data to the techs to verify it.
We know Lex has a huge amount of power and resources, so getting a bunch of techs to drop everything isn't that much of a stretch. We also know he was looking for data, so he probably had people on stand by.
Changing clothes and getting a spot on a news show doesn't seem like a huge deal.
Neither is Clark wanting to go home after he's been injured.

Unless your trying to make a cinemasins video I don't see the issue with any of these really.

>>213927556
>Lex was in Antarctica at the same time it was night in Metropolis.
Simplistic explanation and no further thought. I guess you're exactly the audience this movie was made for - literal drooling retards.

A person with a functioning brain can't possibly reconcile this bullshit that easily - and not for lack of trying not think too hard about it either. It's just in-your-face illogical.

Like you could just ASSUME since Lex is a genius, his VTOL plane cruises at like Mach 9, and it still doesn't make any fucking sense. But you shouldn't have to be sitting on your arse coming up with excuses for Gunn like that in the first place - that's the point.

>>213927664
Or, he teleported to a private zone in the Antarctic and flew to the location, seeing as he only discovered the Fortress' location that day, and wouldn't have time to build a portal directly to it.
You're a fucking moron who wants to feel superior to a literal children's movie, but somehow can't even manage that.

>>213927612
>implying that pointing out major retardation and world-breaking illogic is 'Cinemasins' nitpicking
No. This movie is dirt retarded.

>We know Lex has fast travel so he uses that to get to the Fortress and back in a minimal amount of time
There's a difference between a 'minimal amount of time' and an IMPOSSIBLE amount of time. Making shit happen in the timeline at indefinite points in time doesn't help if they mutually conflict with one another.

>We know Lex and the world has comic book levels of tech, so he uses that to send the data to the techs to verify it.
Okay, so you'll be happy if I just assume Lex used 'teh science' to give himself temporary Flash speed powers and ran over the ocean at the speed of light to get back to the studio, right? It's just a kid's film about space wizards or whatever. Fuckheads like you deserve to be 1A'd repeatedly in your stupid face when you say dumb shit like this.

>Neither is Clark wanting to go home after he's been injured
After Gunn spending the first ten minutes of the film going out of his way to show that he can be healed near-instantly by sunlight. Then again when Element Metamorphosis fag creates a mini-sun to do it again. Then again when Superfag wakes up with sunlight streaming through the window. But go ahead and sit on your arse basking in the morning sun Superfag. There's no urgency in this situation.

Also I love how any neighbour could just show up at the Kent farm and see a dog in a super cape fucking with the cows. ffs.

>>213928009
Lois didn't know where the Fortress was and Supes was barely cognizant.
The rest of that is just drivel.
Is this a bit or something?

>>213927798
So he DID have time to build a portal in Antarctica, but DIDN'T have time to build one at the Fortress because suddenly Lex's unlimited power to do things superfast is not unlimited anymore? Do you faggots even pay attention to the shit you write?

Why didn't he just get Ultraman to pick it up and move it there? Why didn't he get the Engineer to just go there an turn her body into a portal since she can turn into ANYTHING she can imagine? You're not very good at space wizarding for kids bro.

>>213928095
You dumbfuck yes he had time to have already installed portals all over the globe.
The film tells us he already has, seeing as he had one in Boravia and had made similar deals with foreign countries regarding leasing space.
We don't know if it can be picked up and moved, because the examples we have are in fixed locations.
Use your head. Not your fee fees.

>>213926476 (OP)
I started to watch last night and got 40 minutes in and Lex was just too gay. Meh going back, they recreate too many times and this is a kids version.

>>213928144
On what basis do you assume the portals had to stay in fixed locations and Ultraman couldn't just pick them up and move them at superspeed anywhere? Are you applying some kind of logic to a kid's film and limiting the unlimited power of Lex Luther mega-ultra-science-genius who can make his own universes? Fuck you Cinemasins nitpicking 'muh logic' faggit.

>>213928095
He would have had the portal built way before he even headed out to the Fortress and set the kaiju loose, retard. It's a fast travel point, once he's there then he travels in the vtol the rest of the way to the fortress. Megaman doesn't teleport directly into the boss room, he has to go through its base and find him.

>>213928191
The irony is the DC cartoons - ostensibly for kids - are actually better written and more intelligent.

>>213928212
>Fuck you Cinemasins nitp-
Bot spasm.
>On what basis-
What we're shown? Did you see them getting picked up and flown anywhere else? No.
If they could, do you think the smartest man in the world would have done that? Yes.
It would have also been in the script.
Do you watch 2001 and say
>Why didn't the big space baby go back in time and stop himself from being transformed?
Who the fuck knows?! It's not in the movie, nor is it said to be a function.

>>213928009
>Okay, so you'll be happy if I just assume Lex used 'teh science' to give himself temporary Flash speed powers
We literally see that Lex has a network of teleporters spread across the globe. You don't have to assume anything because it's in the movie

>After Gunn spending the first ten minutes of the film going out of his way to show that he can be healed near-instantly by sunlight. Then again when Element Metamorphosis fag creates a mini-sun to do it again
Wanting to go home isn't about healing, it's about wanting to go somewhere you feel safe and comfortable when your hurt. And if i you wanted to get technical, He already go a dose of sunlight from the rock dude and that did not cure the poisoning. Terrific specifically points out he needs time not sunlight.

>Also I love how any neighbour could just show up at the Kent farm and see a dog in a super cape fucking with the cows. ffs.
They're on a farm in Kansas, they'd see a neighbour driving up an hour before he got to their door, maybe you know clark could grab the dog before then?

why are you so angry

>>213928225
No Ultraman goes outside Metropolis so presumably he can be seen flying out of the city, only to take a portal back 100 feet from where he was just fighting Superman. But nobody will notice him through the window, least of all Superman, who never noticed Lex, or Teschmacher taking selfies out the window either.

>What we're shown? Did you see them getting picked up and flown anywhere else? No. If they could, do you think the smartest man in the world would have done that? Yes. It would have also been in the script.
Oh, so now you are saying shit should be in the script and you should actually be shown shit. Make up your mind Gunn-shill faggot.

>Do you watch 2001 and say
>Why didn't the big space baby go back in time and stop himself from being transformed?
Kek you bringing up 2001 and the Space Foetus - an infamous example of leaving the audience to twist in the wind because you don't know what the fuck you're really doing. Yes, Lex Luthor's plan is a Space Foetus, glad we agree on something.

>>213928457
I'm going to assume you're replying to me even though you didn't actually reply to me.
>Oh, so now you are saying shit should be in the script-
Never said it shouldn't. If it was relevant, it would be in there.
Your fanfic isn't relevant, nor do I give a shit about it Ranjeet.
>Kubrick didn't know what the fuck he was doing-
Aaaand you're just retarded. That about settles it.

>>213928393
>We literally see that Lex has a network of teleporters spread across the globe. You don't have to assume anything because it's in the movie
Doesn't explain it. But it's funny when you shill faggots can't even agree on the possible mechanics of how this even could work though. All my kex.

>He already go a dose of sunlight from the rock dude and that did not cure the poisoning. Terrific specifically points out he needs time not sunlight.
The same guy who said, "Clark what the ... ?", then had to be told it was kryptonite poisoning, then instantly became an expert on how long it would take to heal from the condition he couldn't even identify two seconds earlier? Yeah, I'm sure full sunlight wouldn't help more than darkness and that brief exposure from tranformofag was all that could be done in that regard. How fucking stupid are you to just accept that bullshit line as making sense.

>They're on a farm in Kansas, they'd see a neighbour driving up an hour before he got to their door, maybe you know clark could grab the dog before then?
He can't even see a black bitch on a white ice field near his fortress. Nigga can't see or hear shit coming ever in the entire film, but you'd be shocked if a neighbour just walked into the farm?

>why are you so angry
I don't like having my intelligence insulted. You wouldn't understand because you obviously don't have anything to insult.

this is nitpicking and you know it
shut the fuck up

>>213928520
>Aaaand you're just retarded. That about settles it.
He literally admitted to this, so you're the retard.

>>213928774
>N-no you are!
Riveting.

DC gets even more absurd with random bullshit than Marvel. They're just introducing it early on instead of doing constant origin stories and rebooting again later

>>213928773
No it's major problems and I need my entertainment to have some kind of internal logic. Since it's fiction Gunn can make up anything he likes, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have to present it in some kind of sensical way.

Otherwise why not have Superman just transform into a giant robot and punch the kaiju - it's just a kid's film, so why not? That would look cool amirite?

>>213928878
no one cares about this tiny of a detail
Snyderverse had plenty of giant plot holes yet i don't see you bashing it?

>>213928913
Snyder sucks and anyone who likes those films is also retarded.

There you go. Happy?

>>213928935
lmao, what are you hiding? You are a fucking Snyderfaggot, and no amount of pretending is going to change that

>>213926476 (OP)
This movie is fake and gay, and if you like it your a phony and a faggot.

>>213928975
>implying you can't hate both with a passion
All intelligent people hate both. Fuck you and fuck the Snyderfags.

>>213928997
>muh both sides
You aren't fitting in, sneederboy. Superman 2025 is the best superhero film in 20 years

>>213926476 (OP)
Jahns said this movie gets shittier with every rewatch, and it begins to fall apart more and more. I believe him

>>213929047
You're the biggest retard in 20 million.

>>213929122
sorry, i must humbly decline that position. it belongs to you

>>213929145
>>213928839

>>213926476 (OP)
Well, the computer in the Fortress already knew how to translate it so Clark would understand, its not bold to assume the robot chick downloaded that info too.

>>213927556
Wtf is that real???

>>213929980
No dumbass, it's Globetard propaganda where they say the day and nights last for six months at the poles, but NASA lies, the Earth is flat and space is fake, so of course it's not real.

>>213926476 (OP)
>assume that Lex is smart enough to only land at the Fortress when the Kaiju is big enough to actually distract Superman
Why must that be the case? Superman doesn't live at the fortress. He was probably asleep at his home in Metropolis when Lex got to the fortress.
>Superman and Justicefags finish fighting Kaiju, (which didn't seem to take all that long).
It seemed like it took a really long time actually, since Superman was trying so hard not to kill the damn thing.

Still no explanation how the type writing monkeys had internet access in a pocket dimension. Never mind the fact that Lex can just create mini Universes somehow.

>>213930815
Hey when you find out how Superman flies can you let us know?
Sincerely,
The Society of Dumbass Fucks

Those teleporters that Lex had to the pocket dimension. Why can’t he just use them like normal teleporters? If he can travel universes why can’t he just travel space time in the normal universe?

>>213930837
Telekenesis.

>>213930815
Surprised none of these Gunn-shills have tried to suggest that the Lex doing the interview was a Lex-bot so he could be in two places at once. I mean why the hell not while we're using the same retarded Looney Tunes logic? Surprised he didn't pull a oversized kryptonite mallet from behind his back to hit Superman with that he ordered through DCU Amazon called 'acme.com' If he did I'm sure these same clowns would try to explain that away too.

>>213930837
Superman can get away with certain things because he’s mythical. Lex can’t, he’s just a man.

>>213926476 (OP)
>Your brain is doing double-duty trying to make logical sense of what you're seeing
Well there's your problem. Just shut your brain off bro it's a film for children. Consume product and be excite for next product!

>>213930772
https://youtu.be/tiGG_LdidDA?t=201

>>213930968
>>213930900
Lex had Verizon Wireless for his trolls and recreated the Big Bang for his pocket universe.
Hope this helps.

itt: jeets can't comprehend fiction

>>213930754
BASED & FLATPILLED

For those itt who are still unaware:

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40375472/#40435656

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40375472/#40435684

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40460212/#40460221

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40460212/#40460229