Thread 213942285

I blame him and nobody else for season 8

I'm sure he'll be wiping his tears with the same hundred dollar bills he uses to wipe his fat geriatric ass

nope I still blame D&D
its easy to want to blame george because he's fat and still hasn't finished the books
but D&D were pulling retarded shit long before S8 and when they still had tons of source material to pull from

>season 8

As if season 5-8 were any good either. And really Season 2-4 were steadily declining in quality. Only Season 1 was legitimately impressive tv.

But yes he is entirely to blame for not giving D&D quality material to adapt and that starts with the literary failures that were AFFC and ADWD. And then he failed to publish Winds of Winter when he said he would, during the season so they'd have time to adapt it.

>>213942285 (OP)
It is literally his fault
>B-but there was a bunch of stuff they didn’t adapt!
You mean the stuff that didn’t go anywhere and were just filler to avoid progressing the plot?
They ran out of material by S4 and the fatass wouldn’t tell them anything except the bare bones

It went to shit after season 3 tho

>>213942319
That's a poor excuse for turning against the very book-buying fanbase that made him rich. Imagine JK Rowling leaving a cliffhanger with Half-Blood Prince then refusing to write the final book because "FUCK Y'ALL I'M RICH."

>>213942325
>but D&D were pulling retarded shit long before S8

And Gurm was pulling retarded shit prior to the tv series even existing with terrible books like AFFC and ADWD that barely if at all moved the plot forward.

Really the book plot hasn't moved at all since Clinton was in office, which shows Gurm has been suffering writer's block for going on three decades now with no plan to recover. That's why he's just waiting to die and stringing his idiot fans along.

>>213942406
Someone getting lazy after becoming rich and working on the same thing for 20+ years is the most human thing possible and happened about 50 million times. That's how people are, seethe about it.

George you fat fuck, you wont be around for much longer. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_iuYR6OUAqY

>>213942319
>Get rich in your 60s
>No kids to spend the money on

Kinda sucks

>>213942368
True fandom is coming to the realization that the thing you like was always shit and you've been lying to yourself for years.

>>213942285 (OP)
they made 8 seasons of that shit? jesus

>>213942368
Brazy revisionism on seasons 2-4

>>213942567
Couldn't watch it, could sense the cringe and uncomfortable vibes

I like how the thumbnail frames it as a question as if the past 14 years didn't clue them in already.

>>213942504
Nah the first three books were good and season 1 -2 of the show were good.

Although even in the books the plot was going off the rails with retarded bullshit like lady Stoneheart. I think that was the first sign of Gurm developing early onset dementia.

>>213942545
>Replacing Jamie's Tysha reveal in season 4 with Tyrion monologuing about his retarded brother smashing beetles so that Jamie doesn't look like a bad guy

By the end of season 4 the show has already gone to shit. I'm not saying the whole run time of season 2-4 is bad, but it steadily gets worse and worse until it becomes the abomination that is season 5

>>213942567
Based. Fuck George

>>213942285 (OP)
why doesnt he sell it for someone else to write?

>>213942679
Ego, desire for creative control, delusion and an already massive amount of money

>>213942440
>>213942567

On the one hand asking him that is extremely rude and antisocial, but also is it not inherently scummy for George to make LITERAL millions of this franchise he never intends to finish and just act like everything is normal?

>>213942368
That's because only book 1 was good.

>>213942285 (OP)
yep

>>213942679
What for? 99 % of his retarded fans still believe he is writing book 6

>>213942651
They always put in some dumbass spins and pirouettes into the sword fights. They really wanted that Star Wars gig.

>>213942651
I wasn't talking about GoT specifically, this is just a common reaction to every series that goes on too long and gets stupid. With the full perspective of hindsight fans get more and more critical about even the show's imperial era and push the good times farther and farther back, deserved or not.

>>213942433
the difference is that those people say "fuck you" while GRRM continues to say over and over and over again "I am working on it, I am so close, just wait bro"

What are the odds that George
1. Finishes and releases TWOW
2. Finishes and releases ADOS
3. Finishes and releases both, and those two books would be enough to wrap up the entire series (ie he doesn’t need a third book)

>>213942935
1. 40% likely
2. 5% likely
3. 5% likely

>>213942935
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>>213942935
1. 1%
2-3. -∞%

>>213942406
JK Rowling is a real author who had the ending all mapped out before being published.

>>213942851
Yeah because once the hype dies down and all you have to look at is earlier releases some people begin to look at them more critically and notice any flaws if they're present.

But in asoiaf's case people were complaining at the time when books 4-5 came out saying they went nowhere and were bloated messes with nothing important happening.

>>213942935
60 percent
0 percent
0 percent

>>213942651
Fuck off, George shat out two dogshit travelogue books that went nowhere.
>>213942651
I think you're entirely too harsh. 1-4 are kino, 5-6 are decent considering the source material was horrible. 7-8, went off the rails obviously.

>>213942935
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>>213943171
>t considering the source material was horrible

Season 6 and part of season 5 go beyond the source material because fatass never finished Winds.

>>213943227
You still have threads they used from the two books. Even Season 7 uses some of Jaimes Riverlands story from AFFC. It was a shit situation, George left the show to "write" Winds and came up with nothing, lying old fuck.
>>213943161
What always gets me is how little the books gave a shit about the Others. George basically ignores them for about 5600 pages; meanwhile the show had to actually present them as a threat.

>>213942826
This sort of shit honestly makes me miss older movies where they would just film a big action scene without shaky cameras and a wider shot so you can see the whole thing.

>>213943311
Yup the others are pure mystery box trash that GRRM never had any intention of explaining or any general plan for at all.

It's funny since he absolutely hated LOST and its ending, which was so bad because the whole show was based on JJ Abram's mysterious box philosophy.

>>213943311
Others are just a mystery box tease that were never meant to be resolved, Dany is the same to a lesser extent, people who never read the books will be surprised how little she is featured in books 1-4, obviously she is very important character, but her chapters in 1-3 are short and sweet and she is MIA in 4, only book 5 has alot of Daenerys chapters and it's the only one she makes no progress in because fat fuck has no idea what to do with her once she actually gets to Westeros.

In the same book he actually introduces another Targaryen invader, but his story also ends forever once he gets to Westeros.

>>213944218
>In the same book he actually introduces another Targaryen invader,

This must have been wild when people first read it. If there was any sign GRRM had no idea what the fuck he was doing or what the plot of his own story was it's Fake Aegon.

>>213943333
that level of coordination requires actual talent, which nobody in hollywood has anymore

Can someone post that pasta where Martin is talking about Gwyn's tax policies?

>>213942826
Blackwater didn't have a filter, and it was kino.

>>213944303
I can hear that WEBM.
>SHOOT THE HORSES

>>213944294
Book 4 is even worse about it, story just fucking stops to introduce a bunch of new characters and places: Dorne, Iron Islands, Oldtown, Lady Stoneheart. Cersei and Brienne becoming POVs and having VERY repetative chapters while main trio are missing, note from the author promising next book in 2006.

>>213942285 (OP)
the only way this clown wont be rembered (if at all) as a laughing stock is if he has already finished all the rest of the books and they are set to release after he died, that would put him into legendary category. But nah he is just a fat lazy coward who was shocked by the reaction the ending got and now has written himself into a corner trying to change the ending or make it more palatable

>>213944809
He will be remembered as a legendary author who died 2 weeks before finishing his magnum opus

>>213944294
Keep in mind we'd already had the poorly received AFFC and then a giant unexplained years long period of silence.

In the AFFC foreward, he said that the next book was already done and would be out within a year. So... that was a weird lie.

Twas pretty clear he had already lost the plot at that point.

>>213944847
The last book was released in 2011. He is not going to be remembered as a legendary author or an American Tolkien. The day after he's gone the first thing you'll see is people placing bets on who is going to finish it.

I think you would be right if he didn't continue to lie and assure people he's been working on the book. He's so full of shit I don't think anyone actually believe he's working on it. I personally think he hasn't written a word since landing the HBO deal.

>>213942567
That's called a wake up call or reality check.

>>213942567
link?

>>213944847
he is right now a joke already for not finishing anything after he dies and its still not finished people will mock him for a couple of weeks and then be forgotten.

>>213942722
I mean rude or not its the truth, its just what it is he can be a pissed off at the truth but it wont change it.

>>213943218
this

>>213942368
>he is entirely to blame for not giving D&D quality material to adapt

Sure, Gurm will never finish the story but Dumb and Dumber had five (5) books of 1000+ pages each to work with and there are plenty of competent writers who could have come up with a satisfying conclusion.

>>213945513
> had five (5) books of 1000+ pages

But two of those are mostly side plot shit and time-wasting travelogues, so there was no reason to adapt them. The main plot ended with book three which is when the show really started deviating from the books.

D&D would need Winds and Dream of Spring to not fuck up the adaptation.

>>213945613
Yeah, I am not mad at them for cutting out all those book 4-5 shitters like Arienne, Victarion, Stoneheart, Darkstar, fAegon, JonCon because it's impossible to tell what role they will play in overall story without finished books 6-7

>>213942722
It’s kinda based

>>213945786
Ok but what happened to Strong Belwas?

>>213945836
Died of the hot poops offscreen. Many such cases.

>>213945786
Could you imagine how confused the general audience would be if D&D actually slowed the plot to a crawl like GRRM did in book 4/5 and then started introducing all these lame side characters?

They'd probably blame D&D for being retards too.

only retards think a feast for crows is bad

>One full season of Brienne going from tavern to tavern looking for two Stark girls who are nowhere near her
>One season of Tyrion travelling on boat looking for aome whores and having hot midget sex

Kino

>>213942285 (OP)
>>213942368
Show clearly had a shift to Hollywoodized slop starting with season 4

>>213946307
>Brienne sits in a tower next to Winterfell for 6 episodes waiting for a candle
wtf were they thinking and how did the Boltons not get tipped off

>>213942406
>imagine what if someone else did the same thing
ok now what retard?

>>213942567
Based foid

>>213942433
most people working on something for 20+ years aren't aiming towards a single completion for that 20 year project
a normal person in a career for 20 years finishes their tasks every day/week/month

>>213942722
He was being a douche at that panel anyway.

>>213947092
The hubris of that fat bastard is really infuriating. He can't die soon enough.

>>213942285 (OP)
Show departed early from his stuff and then just kept snowballing. Even with most of the building blocks there, like Faegon and Dorne muscling in on Westeros leading to the madness of Queen Dany.

>>213944218
Blackfyres and Golden Company have presence in the story from Game of Thrones on.

>Targ invader

>>213946858
But what if you're a tortured New York Jets fan who can find the will to work when they're good like GRRM?

imagine you pay a builder to build you a house
you pay (handsomely) at stages of the build
he passes through the first few stages and is compensated for his labor
he has plenty of money in his wallet now and the speed has declined because he regularly wakes up and binges mcdonalds instead of working
he manages to slowly squeeze out a few more stages (mostly aesthetic shit barely linked to the house, like added a garden, fence and clothes line) and is around 2/3 finished
he has earned enough now and you can't get him back on site to finish
when he's not a passed out bloated mess, you see him down the street building a shed
not only will he not finish, nobody else is allowed to finish the job
the wooden framework of your house is sitting there, rotting in the rain

this is grrm's legacy

>>213947092
>>213947181
He's a talentless hack!

>>213947441
He could have hired a Ghost Writer(s) and made him/them sign an NDA! He's an uncouth sour bitch!

>>213945786
It's a no win situation, the last book came out when season 1 was airing. D&D actually probably thought George would finish the series back in 2009 when they pitched it to George, kek what fools.
>>213946274
Only redditors and masturbating Youtubers love that book.

>>213947092
Magic and Prophecy being hard constraints on what needs to happen in GOT to advance the plot is exactly what was missing in the show, and judging from that, the loxist pig pissbaby Boomer. Completely contemptible and disgraceful responses from him there.

He's busy making cameos in shows like Dark Winds

>>213947400
from A Storm of Swords on

>>213944294
Aegon isn't fake. He was carried from the city before the Lannister incursion into the Red Keep and replaced with a peasant baby. Varys is one of the few who knows this and works for Aegon within the King's Counsel throughout the books

>>213947931
Varys could be full of shit and George pulled this plotline out of his ass in the 5th book.

>>213947931
lol

>>213942285 (OP)
>fat people are lazy and undisciplined
I never would have guessed.

Oh yeah, Tad Williams wrote an entire battle taking place on a lake of ice. Meanwhile, Martin hasn't even wrapped up the Stannis/Bolton conflict.

So what did the PEACH represent anyway?

>>213947931
Let's say he's real

It's still a ridiculous twist introducing a character out of nowhere who wasn't in the previous four books and who wasn't set up at all. It's clear Gurm had no clue what he was doing, and hasn't since the end of book 3.

>>213948230
Why would you fight on a lake of ice? That's dumb at so many levels.

>>213948308
It's more about drawing another army to a battle on Ice and then retreating and breaking the ice so they drown.

>>213948353
A bit cliche but makes sense.

>>213948263
NTA but he was set up from the book 2 (house of undying visions) and people already figured it back then. I remember some interviews after CoK was released where he basically confirmed it. But he was supposed to be descended from Aerion, then he made the Blackfyre stuff in book 3.

>>213948308
Dunno

>>213942368
>Only Season 1 was legitimately impre-

>>213948987
>slavs did it
Thanks for proving my point, I guess.

>>213942285 (OP)
Every season was shit. It's just you were distracted by the shock value kills & the nudity but as the show went on you got used to it allowing you to see the show was always shit

>>213947092
You just know he's seething about Sanderson cranking out book after book, and building a brand for himself with it.

>>213949049
Slavs = the Indians of Europe

>>213942325
D&D are consequence of GRRM being a lazy pig.

>>213942722
He is being rude. He doesn’t deserve kindness.

>>213949080
The first season was pretty good. It showed alot of potential. Unfortunately two jews and a pig kinda kill the momentum.

>>213944303
>that level of coordination requires actual talent
And 17k Russian soldiers

>>213942285 (OP)
A feast for crows and dance of dragons were complete wastes of time. I have no desire to read whatever abortion he may finally shit out.

>>213942285 (OP)
>The more she shit the more she shat
>The more she shat the more she shit

>>213942325
Books 4 and 5 are shit to be fair. Dumb and Dumber are obviously incapable of writing, but GURM set them up to fail.

>>213942679
His estate will do that.

>>213950010
So what ur trying to say basically, in a vague manner, is that she shitted in her pants?

Bookfag here, I haven’t really followed up on this disaster but what’s the actual explanation?

My understanding is that GRRM gave D&D a bunch of dogshit unfinished notes and they ran with in S7 and then had pretty much total creative control over S8? Did GRRM do it as misdirection and WOW is going to be based and kino and return back to the quality of storm of swords?

>>213950128
they wanted to finish the series early so they could do star wars
hbo would have given them 4 more seasons if they asked
grrm himself begged them to not end on season 8

>>213950128
HBO actually wanted to do more seasons as I recall. But D&D had gotten an offer to do Star Wars, so they rushed the final seasons just to get it over with. And yes the lack of source material was also devastating for the writing of the show.

>>213947092
I felt bad for George but I don’t anymore after reading that. Fuck him

>>213950177
>>213950228
Honestly I don’t blame them. They spent over 5 years building a fantastic success and then this old fart gives them the middle finger? I would also exit on a high note for a huge IP like SW.

>>213950118
yes