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Anonymous No.213946174 >>213946380 >>213946450 >>213946685 >>213946867 >>213947072 >>213947321 >>213947416 >>213948428 >>213948558 >>213948569
John Carter
What went wrong?
>There were no true mishaps. It was based on a beloved and highly influential property, created by craftspeople at the top of their game, led by a director whose previous films were runaway successes. The simple, sought-after narrative of “what went wrong” quickly falls apart. Or is at the very least obscured. And because of that, it makes telling the story of what happened much more complicated.

>TheWrap talked to a half-dozen creative principals involved with “John Carter” for this story, conducting exclusive interviews with co-writer/director Andrew Stanton, writer Michael Chabon, cinematographer Dan Mindel, and performers Willem Dafoe and the Princess of Mars herself, Lynn Collins. (Disney was unable to accommodate TheWrap’s request for additional interviews with personnel still at Pixar.)

>What emerges is a story of a filmmaker making the uneasy transition from animation to live-action, an unorthodox shooting schedule that left some cast members lost, a flawed and confounding marketing campaign, and how shifting corporate allegiances and mandates left a $307 million adventure, meant to start a franchise and based on beloved source material essentially marooned.

>And while Stanton was determined to cast Kitsch, he and his producers still continued to consider other actors for the part. One of the actors in the running for this new version of John Carter was a performer familiar with the property – Tom Cruise.

Cruise unexpectedly reemerged, hungry for the role he was once set to play. According to someone close to the production, Cruise actively campaigned for the job.
Anonymous No.213946189 >>213948755
Anonymous No.213946221 >>213946393 >>213946561
I didn't even know this movie existed before hearing it flopped, 0 advertisement.
Anonymous No.213946311
>Producer James Jacks, in fact, once took Burroughs’ Martian chronicles to filmmaker Robert Zemeckis, who’d made movie gold out of”Back to the Future” and other films. Zemeckis, a friend of”Star Wars” creator George Lucas, read the material and, Jacks says, told him, “I don’t think so. George has really plundered these books.”
Anonymous No.213946380 >>213946685
>>213946174 (OP)
The "white savior" thing turned a lot of people off. And there's not much reason for racists to like it either since it's all about him forsaking his own race to live with brown people.
Anonymous No.213946393 >>213946527
>>213946221
It's a pity it bombed, the movie is better than a lot of modern reboot/capeshit bonanza.
Anonymous No.213946450 >>213946528 >>213949159
>>213946174 (OP)
Horrific marketing. No big name star as John Carter. A nobody actor with zero charisma. Needed like Tom Cruise to be John Carter. It isn’t well known enough to people to sell itself
Anonymous No.213946527 >>213946599 >>213947365 >>213947511 >>213947596
>>213946393
Agreed.
Also Lynn Collins looks amazing.
Hotter than Biel even.
Anonymous No.213946528 >>213946693 >>213946751
>>213946450
It killed careers of Kitsch and Collins, her youtube channel is sad to watch.
Anonymous No.213946561
>>213946221
That's the main culprit: Disney's advertising branch. They didn't want to market another movie with "Mars" in the title (after the awful Mars Needs Moms), and they didn't like the creative team. So they sabotaged it via little to no marketing.
Anonymous No.213946599
>>213946527
We need more movies and shows with tribal warrior women.
Anonymous No.213946685
>>213946380
>The "white savior" thing turned a lot of people off
Like five people on Tumblr maybe
>>213946174 (OP)
For the best. The second movie would've been a mess of politically correct compromises
Anonymous No.213946693 >>213946833 >>213946833 >>213947069
>>213946528
Stanton should’ve been fired for not getting Cruise. WTF were they thinking. Nobody knows John Carter. I only knew about him because my dad read the books. I was happy to take him to see the movie before he died. His only complaint was Dejah had too much clothes
Anonymous No.213946751 >>213947020
>>213946528
wow wtf
she's become a zodiac sign guru?
Anonymous No.213946833
>>213946693
>I only knew about him because my dad read the books.
I love Burroughs books, especially Tarzan.
>>213946693
>I was happy to take him to see the movie before he died. His only complaint was Dejah had too much clothes
Based dad.
Anonymous No.213946867 >>213947020
>>213946174 (OP)
>Unlike Favreau, who wanted to base the look on a version of Frank Frazetta’s illustrations (arguably one of the more iconic and memorable iterations of the characters), Stanton went in a different direction. “I think at the time, even then, I was like, ‘It’s very sexist and it’s very male, fanboy dominated.’ And I just didn’t see the need for that. I think you can find the individuals just as attractive and a different definition of sexy or romantic without having to be naked and gratuitous and this Frazetta look,”
#woke_carter
Anonymous No.213946891
i thought it was a lame movie. taylor kitsch mightve been a factor. also it's not 'beloved material' at this point, not even gen x grew up on john carter stuff, it's from previous generations. ive sampled rice burroughs and he's a nice pulp writer but people aren't familiar with his stuff now, tarzan excluded
Anonymous No.213947020 >>213947113
>>213946751
It's difficult to understand, some New Age hoodoo?
>>213946867
>Unlike Favreau, who wanted to base the look on a version of Frank Frazetta’s illustrations (arguably one of the more iconic and memorable iterations of the characters), Stanton went in a different direction. “I think at the time, even then, I was like, ‘It’s very sexist and it’s very male, fanboy dominated.’
She was clearly overdressed in the movie.
Anonymous No.213947069
>>213946693
>His only complaint was Dejah had too much clothes
...and he was correct!
Anonymous No.213947072
>>213946174 (OP)
Marketed extraordinarily poorly, and the title shouldn’t have been changed. Extremely boring title, sounded like a drama about some guy. The trailers could have played up that it’s a long awaited adaptation of an iconic book series by a legendary author, that influenced the likes of Star Wars, from the Oscar winning director of some of Pixar’s most beloved titles, and they did absolutely none of that. People who weren’t familiar with the property were left confused and unenthusiastic and didn’t feel compelled to see it
Anonymous No.213947113 >>213948535
>>213947020
>New Age hoodoo
Looks like it. Spirituality and self-love. What a shame.
Anonymous No.213947269 >>213948631
Bottom line is you can sell an unknown IP without a big name star. John Carter isn’t Spider Man where could get a chimp to play him and it would sell
Anonymous No.213947321
>>213946174 (OP)
I don't think you can say anything went "wrong" but that's not the business of entertainment.
Anonymous No.213947365 >>213947511
>>213946527
bely
Anonymous No.213947416 >>213947445 >>213948651
>>213946174 (OP)
> It was based on a beloved and highly influential property
Literal who. From my perspective “John Carter” is such a generic name that I expected the movie to be generic slop. And also zero marketing when into this as others have noted. I don’t understand why companies decide to kneecap their own product by refusing to market it. Besides “Hollywood accounting” what’s the point?
Anonymous No.213947445
>>213947416
Without looking it up, I think it was a "beloved and highly influential property" in like the 1940's.
Anonymous No.213947511
>>213946527
>>213947365
Yuge belly button.
Anonymous No.213947596 >>213947688
>>213946527
One time I sent her a fan letter and I mentioned that I loved her. Ugh I shouldn't have admitted that.
Anonymous No.213947688
>>213947596
>Ugh I shouldn't have admitted that
Pretty much your entire life desu
Anonymous No.213948299
I enjoyed it growing up, was one of my favorites. That's all that matters.
Anonymous No.213948428
>>213946174 (OP)
honestly, poor timing, and bad marketing that mislead it

they needed to heavily lean in promotional parts of the post-Civil War that showed Carter exploring the world after he comes back from Mars and the time period of steam trains / mining / artifacts etc

they ruined the mystery of Mars with the marketing and the bad photoshopping unfinished stills from the movie (when John is still in chains/etc)
Anonymous No.213948535 >>213948978
>>213947113
whoever the retard was that did her lips needs to be fired. they overdid her lips way too much.

quack doctors / nurses (that larp as 'beauty astheticians' in weird states) really like to overinflate women's lips with collagen fillers
as the phrase goes, a little goes a long way, and if you do too much, you get duckface/duck lips

just a small bit and you're good
in defense of women, once they hit 35+, they lose a lot of their natural skin collagen and you can see their upper lip shrink immensely from 40->50, so thats why having a little extra fat on women once they hit middle age helps stave off the "old woman look" in the neck/lips

doesnt help though if said woman/woman had tanned their entire life without sunscreen; UV damage is the #1 factor in making you look much older

im always inside so thankfully at close to 40 i still look a solid 32 y/o per most people who guess
Anonymous No.213948558
>>213946174 (OP)
despite everything, ultimately, it was a shittier version of avatar
Anonymous No.213948569
>>213946174 (OP)
Where you dropping?
Anonymous No.213948631 >>213948663
>>213947269
What big name did avatar have?
Anonymous No.213948651
>>213947416
You weren’t calling things slop in 2012 because it would be about a decade before youtube started demonetizing for profanity.
Anonymous No.213948663 >>213948682
>>213948631
James Cameron, you may have heard of him.
Anonymous No.213948682
>>213948663
What movies has he been in?
Anonymous No.213948755
>>213946189
BAR-COOOOOOOOOM
Anonymous No.213948978
>>213948535
Anonymous No.213949159
>>213946450
The exec who decided to remove "of mars" from the title is retarded
Anonymous No.213949271
>stupid lame-ass sounding movie title
>some weirdo on some dumb rhino
>ground is boring far too even dirt
>wtf that thing on the right is
here FIXED