Thread 213968169

Now that it’s been out for a little while and people have had time to digest their thoughts. How good is it actually? I haven’t seen it so no biases either way.

>>213968169 (OP)
>capeslop
grow up

>>213968169 (OP)
I didn't like it.
It felt like the movie didn't take itself seriously at all. Not that the movie needed to be serious. It just needed to believe in itself. It felt like almost every scene was like written sarcastically or something. Like that serious scene of Superman talking to Lois while that space jellyfish thing is being fought in the background. That could have been serious but the framing made it seem like a joke was happening in the background deflating everything. Even the camera work made it seem like a comedy. I don't know what's up with all the insane wide-angle lenses he uses in this but it makes every close-up character shot look ridiculous by warping the characters' faces.

>>213968169 (OP)
It’s alright. I like them adapting parts of Superman’s lore that haven’t been used in movies before, like krypto, or his super robots in the fortress of solitude. There’s a lot of funny moments. Superman himself is good, as are Lois and Jimmy. The other heroes are kinda generic bargain basement GotG. The fights are CGI clusterfucks, which I don’t like personally but at this point it’s a given in superhero movies.
I enjoyed it overall, maybe 6/10

>>213968169 (OP)
Pretending that Superkike doesn't look like a Jewish abomination and the CGI isn't grossly shitty, Superman isn't a seft-insert for a pedo worried about being canceled on the internet, and he shouldn't be so fucking childish either.

It was a decent Guardians of the Galaxy knockoff

>>213968169 (OP)
It was good.

>>213968169 (OP)
it was kino, felt like a Silver Age comic or an multi-part episode of STAS.

>>213968169 (OP)
It's good. I really liked it.
Granted, I love Superman as a character. I read his comics, watched some of his tv shows, so I am pretty biased.

>>213968169 (OP)
I liked it. Felt like a Superman movie. Superman is a ridiculous character. He’s an alien from another planet with super power that flies around in his underwear. You got to lean into the camp and absurdness. Superman got less popular and more boring the minute they took shit too seriously and made him some religious symbol

>>213968292
the movie constantly undercuts its serious moments with comedy, as if it really wants to be sincere but the writers can't escape being ironic. like when Lex kills a guy and they immediately follow it up with "maybe I'll kill Clark Kent next" which immediately got a laugh in the theater and killed the scene. or again when Superman's having his big moment with the speech but then Krypto flies in and ragdolls Lex, immediately killing the scene. it refuses to be genuine even as it strains in that direction.

>>213970702
The scene with Clark and Pa Kent had more heart than any Superman movie since Donner ‘78. Lois telling Clark how he sees everyone as beautiful and the kids raising the flag for Superman to come save the day. They stand out more because the entire movie isn’t slow and brooding.

>>213968292
This is a good point. I feel like Gunn’s style worked for GotG because it’s ultimately a goofy family bonding type road trip movie and the Guardians themselves are sarcastic and scoundrels. Same with Suicide Squad.
But Superman is supposed to be this beacon of positivity, and he absolutely was in this new film, but it works better when he’s positive in CONTRAST to the doom and violence around him. Having everyone be happy go lucky and goofy downplays the importance of his optimism and good will because it makes it seem pointless. He isn’t a shining light for a dark situation/society, he’s just another clown at the carnival.

>>213968169 (OP)
It's lame. 5.5 mid capeshit. The guy playing superman is alright but it has more bad elements than good ones. The allied group is insufferable and upstaging. Lois is cute but she doesn't feel like a Lois plus her character is extremely annoying towards superman. She is only tolerable after external problems happen, but not in a regular relationship setting so I didn't exactly root for her. Lex is shit. Another tech bro faggot but this time bald, which is fine, but the pocket universe prison was terrible and stopped the pacing of the movie. The antagonist group sucked. The clone shit SUCKED, as clone shit usually tends to do. Making superman's parents 'facist bad' is a questionable decision. All in all, it's shit.

>>213968169 (OP)
It's unironically worse than Flash.

>>213970829
maybe it'd have been more impactful if they were around for more than two minutes. also they undercut the kids raising the flag with Guy Gardner. which is odd, because Superman doesn't let people down like that.

>>213971159
He didn’t let them down. He didn’t stop the void the entire world would get dead or atleast a lot more people

>>213970702
That's not really a joke.
It tells you Lex doesn't know Superman's identity - which was important to point out since the audience were shown all those people who did know.
And it made complete sense for Lex to want to go after Clark Kent next.

>>213968292
>It felt like almost every scene was like written sarcastically

Welcome to Gunn's writing, a guy who wanted to make Authority before Justice League.

>>213968169 (OP)
Maybe if i was an emotionally unstable, insecure man child like the main character it would resonate more. Worst part is it's all wrapped in inferior, ugly filmmaking. I've been trying to think of the last time I watched a similarly ugly film from a major studio but i'm drawing a blank so far. Can't say i'm surprised this only managed to keep 1/3 of the audience of the previous incarnation. And I don't see anything here winning them back either.

>>213971201
why was the Justice Gang showing up treated like a joke and a disappointment, then?
on the topic, why did a bunch of unarmed women and children face down an army of people they knew would want them dead? at that point they were asking to die, or rather forcing Superman to act. which he wouldn't, because he is no savior.

>>213971260
Justice League is trash right now. Any
movie with that name will bomb. Why he’s calling them the Justice Gang which will likely morph into Legion of Superheroes

>>213968169 (OP)
One of the worst movies I’ve ever seen. Reeks of Gunn’s faggotry. That dog was such a stupid plot device.

>>213970829
>The scene with Clark and Pa Kent had more heart than any Superman movie since Donner ‘78
It was. But it felt so incredibly out of place with the tone of the rest of the movie and his parents are in it for so little we have like no concept of what his relationship is with them before there's this serious talk. Like their first scene is his mom yelling at her phone like some dumb old lady and its there more to be a joke than to mean anything.

>>213971093
I agree. I really like guardians and suicide squad. So its not like i don't like Gunn at all. But this time it just didn't work at all for me. Its honestly rare I don't like a superhero movie. Often I think they're just fine, but this one really didn't nail a good tone for me at all.

>>213968169 (OP)
I liked it middle of it definitely dipped though

>>213968169 (OP)
I thought it was 9/10. Only knock I had was it was too short. I've noticed people on here knocking it mostly didn't actually see it.

>>213971474
I think it's because gunn cut a bunch of stuff in the pocket dimension involving Lois helping out more

meh, only standout things were Lex and Mr. Terrific
Superman & Lois mogs it to hell and back

I gave it 3/5 (6/10). It was fun.

was Clark putting on a deeper voice when he was Clark Kent in the Daily Planet? sounded like he had marbles in his mouth

If you want Superman to be a boring symbol and everything muh dark and gritty and it to look like a Batman movie with ugly dark filters, you will hate it.

>>213968169 (OP)
The film is derivative schlock from the mind of James Gunn, one can only fear what he does with Batman next- if you’ve seen one Gunn film you’ve seen them all: Daddy Issues, Crude Humor, Zero ability to write reasonable or threatening tension, gaps in power level logic, personal jabs at audiences and critics because he has the skin of wet tissue paper and just a childish, boring, mess.

I didn’t remember anything from the film except that I didn’t like it and Lex and Superman both came off as whiny unlikeable cunts that are impossible to root for unless you’re a whiny unlikeable cunt yourself, this is supposed to be a superhero movie but none of the heroes felt super- 0/10, im being serious- one of the worst Superman adaptations of all time.

>>213971566
That was probably for the best it felt overly long as it was there

If you think about it, he didn't do much of anything, I can't imagine anyone who doesn't already like Superman being convinced he can be cool. Mr Terrific, Guy Gardner and Metamorpho all had cooler moments. Best thing Superman did was hold a building for a few seconds but it fell down anyway.

>>213971738
Gay Cavill spammer

snyderjeets will never recover

>>213971716
If you don’t want that, but also want a movie to have a decent well executed story you will also hate this movie

rare jimmy olsen W

Sucked big time.

>>213972114
I thought the story was executed fine. It’s a ridiculous capeshit movie. Not expecting realism

The movie would have benefited a lots more by having its runtime extended by 20 mins.

To be honest, I was amazed at how violent this movie actually is. It's always being compared to Snyder's Man of Murder and understandably so, but I dont get why this version is considered to be better. Yeah, Supes is actively (as a blatant fuck-you to Snyder) saving people and pets in this one, but he also murders his retarded clone with no shred of remorse. Dozens of raptor-grunts are klled in "phantom-zone" and shredded with lazor in Metropolis. Metropolis itself is fucking decimated. There are like 10 9/11's that happen. And, yeah, we are supposed to think that everyone was "evacuated", but it's just silly. You can't evac a city of this size in a matter of hours. And the rivergulf, btw, should have also been consumed by the rift and black hole. Combatants from not-Palestine and not-Russia should be leaving dozens of bodies after all attacks. The president of a country gets murdered as a joke.
Yet, we dont dwell on any of that and ascribe a "light-hearted" feel to the movie that is dark at its core. Like an ISIS video with a colourfull filter and punk-rock background song.
All in all, its a good comic-book movie, which is still shit compared to a good regular movie.

>>213972182
She actually has disgusting feet IRL. The only slighty funny thing Gunn did while making this abomination

>>213971366
>we have like no concept of what his relationship is with them before
Have you considered this serious talk is meant to be part of their introduction? That it's meant to establish their characters?

>>213972816
Expedition realism from a Superman movie is ridiculous. When nuke hits San Andreas Fault in Superman movie and Superman puts it back together, it’s ridiculous to think nobody dies but it’s a Superman movie. Or the fact there would be nuclear fallout from an atomic bomb hitting California. And UltraMan is not dead. Everyone knows he’s coming out that void at some point as Bizarro

>>213972946
>Everyone knows he’s coming out that void at some point as Bizarro
Everyone copes with that dream scenario, you mean.

>>213972816
>but he also murders his retarded clone with no shred of remorse
He wasn't really afforded any time to feel remorse or consider alternatives given Ultraman was actively trying to kill him right next to a black hole. Even the killing blow seemed to be a panic move given Superman dislocated his own shoulder to do it.

>>213973104
It would've probably been better if they showed him trying to reach out to him in vain to save him or something though.

>>213972999
>Capeshit movies setting up future villains is cope

You’re brown

>>213973305
The only reason people cope about this is because they don't want to believe or want to purposely shield the movie by saying that Superman would never, ever kill Ultraman. So they cope that he's fine, that he'll eventually come back as Bizarro, and so on ignoring the fact that if Gunn wanted he'd have named this Bizarro in the first place and that if there is a next movie they'll obviously focus on a new villain.

>>213973366
Why didn’t Burton call Harvey Dent in Batman ‘89 Two Face? What a hack! Why didn’t Raimi call Dr. Curtis Connors the Lizard on SM2? What a hack!

I thought it was an 8/10. Acting and characters were great. Being genuine and sincere is the new punk rock, baby. The only thing that really dragged it for me was that Supes got his ass kicked 90% of the movie. It got kind of exhausting after a while, if I'm honest. If I had to rank Gunn's projects I'd say
Guardians 1>Peacemaker>Superman>Guardians 3>Guardians Holiday Special>Guardians 2>The Suicide Squad>>Super

>>213968169 (OP)
I didn't like it.
It picks a ton of super man stuff, mixes it very gently, adds some quips and humour, and calls it a day.

I hated the newspaper editors, I hated the actors, I liked nothing.

>>213970702
Yeah. If the movie is serious, it's undercut by too many jokes. If it's meant to be just fun(ny), there's then some uncharacteristically dark moments in it. It's an atonal mess.

The movie did its job reestablishing Superman. That is all Gunn and WB is wanting with these solo movies. Each character is only getting one movie to do this before team ups and event movies

>>213968169 (OP)
-Superman was too whiny and annoyingly naive
-Crypto was all CGI, the bad dog jokes were oversued
-Ultraman was boring
-Green Lantern was alright
-Hawkgirl was very hot but barely got any scenes
-Mr Terrific was cool
-Luthor was great
-Overall weak humor which is strange because GotG and Peacemaker had much better jokes. This felt rushed in some ways.
-Okay action scenes
-Lame plot
5/10.

It's alright, there are some good parts to it, but I do think it flip-flops between the serious moments and comedy (also a lot of the comedy wasn't all that great) to really have a sense of what the movie mood should be. Overall, a decent movie to watch and rewatch.
I do think a "week of Superman" is an interesting plot device that worked pretty well, but it is lost when the movie didn't show that specifically, it genuinely would have been better with the title cards like this video shows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA9fsE7_j8g

Hoult as Lex is insanely good, and I liked Corenswet as Supes, I really like how his language is really just a chill guy saying shit like "what the hey dude". Actions scenes leave more to be desired, tho.
Genuinely a 7 or 8 of 10.

>>213968169 (OP)
It was horrid shit that took me back to the Y2k era. No, Snyder's shit was not any better. The ideal medium was reached with Nolan's Batman trilogy and Iron Man (2008). Pretty much nothing will surpass either.

who would be in superman's secret harem?

>>213974054
10 lois lane clones because he is that much of a bitch.

>>213973924
>I demand muh capeshit to be taken seriously and as a form of art

>>213974079
Yes, I want movies that take themselves seriously.

>>213974075
Gay Cavill faggot detected

>>213974097
Capeshit was made for kids. Best capeshit movies realize this. Nolan got so far up his own ass it all came crumbling down with Rises. Nothing realistic or serious about a grown man dressing up as a bat. In fact more realistic you make it, more retarded seeing a man in a bat costume looks

>>213974176
Except that looks entirely fine. Retarded Gen Xers once again come out with the retarded opinions.

>>213974075
dude seriously lois almost broke up with him kek just like the meme

>>213974241
> Except that looks entirely fine.

Yeah, seeing a grown man in a stupid bat costume is totally realistic and to be taken seriously.

It was tremendously bad. Story, acting, cinematography, music, production design, general direction. I dislike absolutely everything about this movie. I did not pay to watch it and still feel scammed. Nobody should consider spending time with this shit.

>>213974361
It still needs to be believable in its own world, otherwise you break immersion.

>>213968169 (OP)
>Based political takes of how super humans would react to Israeli war crimes
>Hopeful cinema where the protagonist isn't brooding and crying or ironic
>KINDNESS IS PUNK
Most hopeful piece of media since Megalopolis.

>>213974373
> It was tremendously bad. Story, acting, cinematography, music, production design, general direction. I dislike absolutely everything about this movie. I did not pay to watch it and still feel scammed. Nobody should consider spending time with this shit

>>213974389
Exactly. Batman has to be in a surreal environment where freak show villains and a man dressed up as a bat fits in. Gotham looking like Chicago and muh realism just makes idea of Batman look stupid as fuck. Batman fit right into Burton’s freak show Gotham

>>213974466
He also fit in Nolan's world.

>>213974107
t. Lex monkey

i rated it 5/10 because it was quite mid

I was a big Superman fan. I supported him all the time online and stuff, but now? I hope he rots in hell.

>>213974482
Not really. Weakest part of Nolan’s Batman movies was Batman himself.

>>213974373
>tremendously bad
Pseud detected. You will never sound smart.

>>213968169 (OP)
After watching this, I asked myself, why would anyone watch this outside of the IP? There's no reason I can think of.

>>213968169 (OP)
This movie sucks giant dirty monkey balls. Superman is a weak whiney man child the entire movie who constantly needs to be saved and the only enemy he can defeat is a dumber version of himself. The entire Borovia subplot was so politically hamfisted it took me right out of the movie, Lois and Superman basically had a fight about Israel invading Palestine and they thought it belonged in a superhero flick.

Plot wise, this movie felt like the second of a trilogy. There's no world building, no intro, just superman already being superman and getting his ass kicked. We never get to see him in his prime simply saving the day, there is always other people helping or he loses. it tells us he's the strongest at the beginning but we don't see that during the film, we see a weak useless average superhero who everyone can keep up with, make bleed, and beat up. even the robot lady can fly faster than him, and all she got was nanobites from luthor. if he could do that to one person, why didn't he do that to more and have an army of people who can make their head come out of their own ass for no reason?

Superman himself is annoying to watch, almost everything he says is retarded, and i almost turned it off when he saved the squirrel instead of trying to stop the giant monster from killing more people. Women being obsessed with Jimmy was also an annoying subplot that felt too slapstick to fit in the movie. it felt more like a naked gun joke. I don't care how hard of a reporter you are, if there was an interdimensional rift opening in the city you'd want to evacuate too. the civilians treated the threats way too casually, which diminished how serious the danger was. 4/10, Man of Steel was leagues better.

>>213974543
> I was a big Superman fan.

No you weren’t.

>>213974640
Sounds legitimate to me. For a Superman movie it is quite mid.

>>213974717
You’re brown

>>213968169 (OP)
It’s bad. The plot is dumb. Characters act irrational.

And there is too many fucking ugly close-ups of people’s faces. It’s like that one scene in Black Adam multiple times. This is legit one of the ugliest films I have ever seen. Only rivaled by The Flash.

>>213974763
You’re also brown

the schizo bollywood editing when Lex shot that guy was hilarious

>>213970702
For all the criticism of MCU films ruining emotional moments with awful jokes, Gunn Superman doesn’t even worse.

>>213974466
As with everything Burton, his movies were terrible.
>>213974409
>LE HOPE
Batman's story of a man rising above adversity, or Iron Man's of a man with all the power in the world still being able to change his ways was far more inspiring than quippy Superfag.

Best Batman.
Best Bruce Wayne.
Best movies.
Best story.

>>213974760
>>213974795
Coping gunnfag.

>>213968169 (OP)
First moderately good Superman film since the '80s. It's nice to see Clark Kent and not moody blue maskless Batman.
Reeve is still the GOAT.
The animated series from the '90s is better than any of the movies.

>>213974841
What emotional moments did DC and muh dark and gritty produce?
Pa Kent stop my invincible son?
Superman death nobody cared about
Wayne’s dying that nobody cares
anymore
Joker getting ass raped in prison?

>>213974919
>Reeve is still the GOAT.
That's the problem with WB. They can never move past him and when they do there is push back from within the company itself.

>>213974605
Save it for your angry review channel circa 2008, fag.

>>213968169 (OP)
It's fun, I like it. It feels refreshing as something new and has a nice message too. Also it's a movie you notice more details the more you rewatch it and it has a lot of memorable parts. Definitely one of the best movies of the year that will only get better with age.

>>213975102
He's the GOAT not only because of his performances, but because of how seriously Richard Donner took the material.

Memelords like Gunn and Snyder can't do that. Bryan Singer's take also felt too cold and impersonal.

>>213974176
You need some kind of middleground. It should take itself seriously and not be embarrassed by itself, but still be portrayed in a capacity where everyone understands this is still over the top and there should be a measure of at least fun with it. The best to do it is Blade.

>>213975537
There were levity in Nolan's movies.

>>213974848
the first and biggest mistake the DCU ever made was starting without Bale as Batman

>>213968169 (OP)
i liked superman in this superman film, which is something that is evidently very hard to do

>>213975737
Nowhere near enough and not in any capacity. The best moments it had of levity were clear attempts at ripping off Blade's style, and routinely failed because Bale didn't believe in his own role the same way Wesley Snipes believed in his. Mind you, this is partly because Wesley Snipes is a schizophrenic person who sincerely believed he was Blade (and reality has refused to find any good way to refute it), but that doesn't make it any less true.

>>213968169 (OP)
Superman is lamest capeshit hero and if not this thread i wouldnt even know another superman waste of money came out lmao

>>213968169 (OP)
Sometimes it shows shitty CGi and his suit Is like a pajama

>>213974176
I don’t care- kids are stupid and abandoned capeshit for skibidi toilet and kai cenat- they can read the old stuff, it’s ours now and there’s no shame in that as long as you aren’t one of those weird collector guys

The impact of Jor-El’s message on the people and on Superman himself was absolutely idiotic and completely took me out of the movie.

>>213968169 (OP)
It's crap. I saw it for free on a streaming site. Let's just say I would never ever in my lifetime was money on this slop of a film. Gunn's fans are also stupid as fuck. Like this Orhan guy.

All of Gunn’s works feel the exact same

>>213977354
>I would never ever in my lifetime was money on this slop of a film
SAAAAAR

>>213977545
>SAAAAAR
You're more likely to be "Indian" than me, Orhan.

>>213968169 (OP)
it's so good that they pulled it from theaters early

>>213979530
It’s still in theaters jeets and made 3 million on its 7th weekend

it's very superficial

>>213968169 (OP)
Watched it yesterday and it didn't bore me, so I'd give it a thumbs up. Lex Luthor was great and Lois Lane's breasts bounced nicely in few scenes.

>>213968292
wb was fool for firing snyder. the man of steel writing and direction was phenomenal. the serious tone was cherry on top. it felt like i was watching a nolan movie

>>213980120
I feel like this is a joke. But Snyder action is pretty unbeatable and he's a master at making things feel huge and powerful. Obviously not a great writer and too somber, but pretty good. A Snyder superman movie set a few years into supermans career would be cool to see.

>>213980420
Fuck that, just get Michael Bay. If can have Optimus Prime commit a war crimes and nobody cares because movie much fun, he could handle Superman just fine

>>213979680
whatever you say, rajesh

>>213980997
Weak bait. Kill yourself

I'm just glad it was a bit silly and goofy. The trend of making Capeshit EDGY and MATURE got boring and stale a decade ago.

>>213981352
It’s so boring and limiting. Batman is boring now. Everyone wants Mr Freeze for The Batman 2. Why? You think Reeves is going to have a cryogenically frozen guy with a freeze gun? He’s going to be generic killer in a Mr Freeze ice cream truck. That’s the kind of shit old budget TV shows did because they didn’t have the money or FX to do anything else

>>213968169 (OP)
It was okay. Better than the other Superman films that came out in this millennium. Not much to complain about, not much to praise. Solid 6/10.

>>213971271
you post on 4chin daily mate.
you don't have moral highground to laugh at people's "emotions"

>>213974241
The fact that you used the word "fine", which means you didn't have anything great to say about it otherwise you would've used other adjectives.

Fine is an idiotic English word. It implies thing is neither good nor bad, just "okay".
And they burnt millions dollars on that scene just for it too looked "inoffensive" , fine is actually a negative here

>>213981352
>>213981596
Dark, gritty, edgy works for certain characters, for Batman it works because he's a more realistic character because he has no superpowers, plus his tragic backstory. The issue with The Batman is it didn't do anything new with that tone, it lacked the vision that the Nolan or Burton films had. Maybe it's also the fact that we already have a ton of Batman films, so there's nowhere new to go with the character, nothing to really explore that hasn't already been said.
For Superman silly/goofy works better because of the nature of his character. The new one was also helped by the fact that it was exploring themes and aspects that had been touched on in comics but not in film yet, the way the Nolan Batman films had.

>>213980420
>I feel like this is a joke.
i guess deep films aren't you're thing. go watch gunn or taika movies instead

mcu = popcorn movies
snyderverse & nolan = masterpiece

>>213981884
Time they used Batman original costume. Already got Wolverine back in his yellow one and new Spider Man is using his classic costume. Time get rid of Batman’s Iron Man costume

>>213982158
They’re only deep to brown people because you are all stupid. Anyone with. basic critical thinking skills know there is nothing deep about them. Why Rises is a meme and so is MOS and all of Snyder’s garbage. Stop acting like Nolan and Synder are Kubrick. It’s laughable

>>213968169 (OP)
It's a typical James Gunn movie....nothing more, nothing less.

He's an okay director, but his style is all but patented as a 'sure thing' by all the major studios now, you really can't expect him to do or be anymore than what he's put in already.

>>213982158
nigga, if you think men in tight suits fighting fake crimes is deep, you need to seek doctor for help

>>213968169 (OP)
jewperman is a cry baby written by cry babies

>>213982300
See I don’t get that thinking at all. His Superman was not playing it safe. When I saw the poster of Superman with Krytpo I knew there be good chunk of people turned off by that alone. Along with Superman wearing his underwear again. And all the side characters. Most directors it would’ve been a mess. Same way everyone thought Guardians of the Galaxy was gong to be Marvel’s first major bomb. When saw the trailers, I thought was gong to bomb. Not too many director can get away with kind shit Gunn does and make it work

>>213982463
He's not wrong, especially in the latest film where the message from his Kryptonian parents reveal he was sent to conquer earth which causes social media to turn against him, this mirrors the recent mass noticing and public opinion turning massively against jews.
It's very obvious that jews see Superman as an allegory for themselves and portray him as such. But that also does make him a metaphor about immigration, because jews are the first immigrants, the ultimate immigrant, they lump themselves in with other immigrants all the time and form coalitions with them, even if they also see themselves as different and apart from them.

>>213982383
if you're that bad at detecting bait you need to lurk for like 10 more years

>>213982869
the message from his parents reminded me of the Turkish president saying turkish people should move to Germany and have a ton of children

>>213982937
For me it just made me think of jews

>>213968169 (OP)
I watched it, it's not bad. It's really good, it's a little cheesy and leans into the kid vibe a bit too much at times.. but i'd watch it over the Snyder shit

the roster needs some young faces, and not supergirl or at least some other faces. I was never much of a DC guy past Batman and stuff.

supergirl is interesting and needs a teen titans esc group, she could play a good Starfire esc character I'd watch if they didn't go full retard

I'll tell you this I trust whoever made this movie to re-adapt franchises they're a little bit too campy but I would not ask him to change, not because I think it's be bad but more because I don't think he'd know how to lean into the adult aspect anymore without messing it up

>>213970702
>like when Lex kills a guy and they immediately follow it up with "maybe I'll kill Clark Kent next" which immediately got a laugh in the theater and killed the scene
Just because people found humor in the line doesn't mean it was treated as a joke in the film. Hoult didn't deliver the line in a humorous way or mug the camera. The humor of the line is entirely derived from the audience knowing information that Lex doesn't. The scene is still treated deadly serious in the context of itself.

>>213982869
>>213982937
>>213982964
The entire debate around the movie was that Boravia and Jarhanpur were a metaphor for the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, but finally getting to watch it, it was more like
Boravia=Russia coded
Jarhanpur=Palestine coded
Superman=Israel/Jew coded
Lex Luthor=America/Trump/Musk coded(basically the evil rich white businessman strawman jews created through media)
So Boravia vs. Jarhanpur just ends up being a vague metaphor for war(which cunningly evades evoking Israel) and Superman ends up representing tikkun olam.

>>213971290
>why was the Justice Gang showing up treated like a joke and a disappointment, then?
It literally wasn't. They save everyone
>why did a bunch of unarmed women and children face down an army of people they knew would want them dead? at that point they were asking to die
They were standing their ground in their homeland, would you just cower and piss your pants you massive cuck?

>>213983058
> supergirl is interesting and needs a teen titans esc group, she could play a good Starfire esc character I'd watch if they didn't go full retard

Because Gunn said he’s only giving each main character one solo movie to establish themselves before they get teamed up, I’m positive he’s going to have her lead The Legion of Superheroes

>>213982512
>His Superman was not playing it safe.
It's the same movie he has always done.
Krypto is like every cute animal in his productions. Take Eagly in The Peacemaker.

>>213972182
this has to be gunn self insert right

>>213968169 (OP)
Christopher Reeves nails the Super and the Man, and is the most comic book accurate. Endlessly rewatchable.
Henry Cavill nails the Super but not the Man, having incredibly good action in it, but terrible characterization (practically to the point of fundamentally breaking Snyder's 3 movies, and this goes for all the superheroes in it)
David Corenswet nails the Man, but not the Super, with great character moments and probably has the best scenes with Jonathan Kent and Martha Kent, but has godawful tiktok-tier action and horrid CGI

That's the definitive and true opinion.

>>213983729
It’s the opposite now. Making “edgy” shit is playing it safe. Because pretty all shit now is fake edgy degenerate garbage. Having Superman in his underwear with a flying dog is not playin it safe with edgelord losers and certain amount people that refuse to watch it because their is a flying dog in it

>>213983887
>Henry Cavill nails the Super but not the Man, having incredibly good action in it, but terrible characterization (practically to the point of fundamentally breaking Snyder's 3 movies, and this goes for all the superheroes in it)
Only for those that don't read comics or watch cartoons. Basically fake fans.

Usual suspects are bitching about his comic accurate costume and comparing it to a Halloween costume. Where have we heard that shit before? Walmart Man memes incoming

>>213983966
Shut the fuck up.
It's the same fucking movie he always does.
The cute dancing/talking animal, the fucking subplot about daddy's issues, the strong and sarcastic lady who's hyperviolent, the asshole guy that is the butt of the jokes, the dumb protagonist that is also the butt of the jokes, the constant talk about rock bands from the 70/80/90s, the constant stale jokes that goes on for way too long (see the talk about the Justice Gang name), the group of assholes that come together, and so on.

It's the same fucking movie. Even the new season of the current Peacemaker is pulling the same shit.

>>213984019
You can be comic accurate and also not look like shit.

>>213984073
I expect high end shit from a broke kid who made the costume himself

>>213984167
MCU Spidey isn't broke.

>>213983887
I'd like to know your definition of characterization is. A man is judged by his deeds, not his words. Throughout Snyder's trilogy, we see Superman fighting brutal battles with the fate of the entire planet at stake in each movie. And, as Clark, he's a caring investigative journalist to a fault (Lex lured him into hating Batman).

We see him suffer through the consequences of his existence being known to the world. Malevolent forces within the deep state (Lex and ARGUS) conspire to destroy and assassinate him.

Gunn is half indian, he would never related to this kino

>>213984338
He didn't called others "Dude", didn't joke around, didn't smile enough, nor saved squirrels.

>>213984184
He got reconned after the last one. Guessing no more Mr Stark giving him his tech which was always stupid anyways

>>213984338
Earth was better off without MurderMan. Just remember how Zod even found Earth.

>>213968169 (OP)
I’m totally open to the idea of a great Superman movie (as allegedly MoS sucks and deserves its 50% RT score) but it fell way below Man of Steel. Superman doesn’t need to be “dark” but he does deserve to be taken seriously and elevated. It’s possible to have both the iconic imagery of MoS and the silver age whimsicality.

Can we objectively admit that James Gunn is a terrible choice for the CEO of DC. One Superman movie yeah sure go for it but the entire thing is a trap for disaster. He hated the Dark Knight which is considered a gold standard for Superhero movies so you’re probably not going to see any stories that drift far from the style S2025 is. I prefer DC being controlled by a ragtag team of retard executives. I’ll take a mixture of really bad and good products over one man’s dull vision. DC from 2010-2016 was a really nice era to be in. Also Gunn’s disdain for origin stories which are the soul of superheroes tells you all you need to know.

>>213984340
Guarantee it was jeet women going to see this and ugly jeets couldn’t stand it.

>>213984526
The main problem with him controlling the entirety of DC productions is that eventually, if not right now every DC character will be exactly the same. Every movie and show will feel the same. Every character will talk the same way, behave the same way, be into the same things.

>>213984526
> but he does deserve to be taken seriously and elevated

Go read the Bible if you want some religious figure. An alien from another planet flys around in his underwear and a cape is last thing you should be getting all pretentious with. Why character is viewed as boring as fuck when he is anything but

>>213984754
These comics are nothing like Gunn's movie, though. Hell, they are even more serious.

>>213984633
Gunn is only handling Superman and Peacemaker. Reeves is doing The Batman 2. James Watkins is doing the horror movie version of Clayface. James Mangold is working on the Swamp Thing. Gunn isn’t doing the script for Wonder Woman and likely won’t direct it. Craig
Gillespie who did I, Tonya directed the Supergirl movie

>>213984521
Im sick of arguing with this would've, could've, should've shit. Superman's arrival on Earth and the activation of the scout ship was inevitable. And actually the world is not better off without Murderman because the universe is ostensibly teeming with super powered beings, many of which are entirely malevolent. The state that humanity was in, normal non-poweres beings, is a step down from what they descended from.

Humans, Kryptonians, Atlantians, Amazons, all descend from a common ancestor. These ancestors were the gods and goddesses of old. Humanity is the abnormal group, not everybody else.

>>213968169 (OP)
It's literally not even a movie. It's not just a bad movie. It doesn't meet the bare minimum requirements to BE a movie. It's AI slop with minimal human involvement.

>>213972182
That looks like he's being attacked by an emaciated zombie. How old is that hag?

>>213974176
Lady, drop it. When women stop participating in the production of films, they will stop being shit. Not one nanosecond before. You just don't have the talent required. That's why you didn't get the jobs until the CIA rammed you down everyone's throats. Go back to jewish daycare so everyone can ignore your existence again while you answer 1 email per day incorrectly and think you're doing something.

literally the best superhero movie I’ve ever seen and I saw the dark knight opening day in imax

>>213984754
Singling out specific goofy issues of Superman when there have been thousands of issues of various seriousness is bullshit

>>213978582
Is there a US military base that has a giant AI machine buried 2 miles below the Earth that just tries to compute the shittiest memes possible or something? I don't even think it's possible for humans to come up with anything this shitty.

>>213984019
Why does that suit look so much like shit?

>>213984138
Does this mean gunn wants to rape you?

Superman 2025 is one of the worst superhero movies of all times. James Gunn, who excels in directing overdone violence, out of place quips, undeserved melodrama and perverted sex obsession brings all his trademark traits to this rendition of Superman. This isn't a Superman movie, it's a Marvel/Guardians of Galaxy movie with Superman in the middle of it. In fact, Gunn seems to enjoy writing Justice Gang far more than he does writing Superman. The former which ran off two jokes that were repeated ad nauseam throughout the movie.

What makes Superman a compelling character is gone in Gunn's sloppy adaption. He's not particularly strong, he's not particularly wise, he's a poor leader, he's extremely narcissist and gets easily emotional. And this is supposed to be a seasoned Superman. It's almost like Gunn was projecting his own shitty flawed character on to Superman. The only missing touch would be if Lois was a minor.

The action scenes are just a complete mess of CG blob. Superman is basically a rag doll that gets thrown all over the place and nothing in this movie has weight or meaning to it, particularly in its action. There's a scene where Lois and Mr Terrific break into enemy HQ and the whole ordeal is of course settled with a very catchy music montage of all the enemies being dismantled with utter ease. The next scene is of Clark trying to keep a CGI baby from drowning in lava with his deus ex dog arriving in timely manner to save him again. This is straight out of a Marvel movie and has no place in a Superman movie.

This rendition of Lex is also his most shallow depiction. There is no nuance or intelligence to this Lex. He's not particularly shrewd and constantly spills out his plans for everyone to find out. He throws into temper tantrums just like Superman and starts to sob and cry because Superman is better than him. Where is the elegance and intelligence of Luthor? This is basically a spoiled rich kid battling another spoiled strong kid. 1/10, MCU slop.

Starlordman with his Quip Gang and walled gf.

I enjoyed it :)

do wish there was more of a focus on world building, the fact that Superman and Lex never met before made Lex feel like you could replace him with any 'tech billionaire villain'

i liked it. it reminded me why superman was my favourite as a kid, and inspired me to be more kind to others

>>213986411
It's Starlordman that Reddit loves

These movies are pretty much the same

>reboot from franchise that was popular but hated by online critics and fanboys/soiboys
>release to forced shill narrative of how it's so much better than the prior movies (because it has less problematic elements, ie masculinity)
>movie is a financial bomb, the general audience doesn't care because they removed the elements they found previously appealing
>online soiboys damage control by blaming it all on the prior movies and claiming that surely the sequels will do much better now that its "reputation" has been saved
>makes the franchise fade to irrelevancy and the studio loses millions of dollars

What's this phenomenon called?

>>213986829
Hollywood execs are out-of-touch boomers that believe the internet is the real world

>>213986829
>literally the highest grossing superhero film of the year

>>213986829
Because I didn't watch either?

>>213986990
>flop did slightly better than bigger flops

>>213986829
Back to R eddit faggot

>>213987079
Stop being so obsessed with Reddit you self hating Gunnjeet

>>213980120
>he man of steel writing and direction was phenomenal
everything went downhill after man of steel though.

>>213987073
>>213986990
which is usually how hits are measured, yes.

>sky is blue
>water is wet

>>213987172
It barely edged out a low budget Apple F1 movie.

>>213987186
F1 was co-finance by WB and Apple because it was so expensive. Even found additional funding through product placement. They literally invented new cameras for it running on A18 processors. Don’t know what you mean by low budget

>>213968556
This.
David Corenswet was distractingly ugly in the role. Shocking how people can look at those Dumbo ass ears and his goofy body in the interviews he does and take him seriously as a lead in a superhero movie.
He was a YouTuber before becoming a film star, and it shows.

>>213968169 (OP)
It's pretty good desu. The only real letdowns were Ultraman and the pacing being really fast at times.
Solid movie even if you don't like superheroes.

>>213987219
Lower budget than Gunn's 360m slop.

>>213987295
>superman 2025 is literally the most expensive film ever made

>the earth is flat
>water is dry

Gunn and the WB are playing the long game. Only team up capeshit sells post Covid. They knew Superman brand was trash. Goal of the movie was for it to get critical success and rebuild an audience. It only dropped 54% its second weekend compared to MOS 67% and had a strong hold against F4. Just made 3 million this weekend on 7th week and will end with a domestic close to 360 million. Next will be for Supergirl to get similar success before teaming them against Brainiac for Event Movie.

>>213987489
Utter drone cope. Are you even human

>>213983208
The Boravian leader looks like a kike tho

>>213987541
>marvel’s first film was the avengers and made a billion jajillion dollars

>>213987541
No, you’re just stupid. Why your country lives in poverty

>>213987489
>Only team up capeshit sells post Covid.
Dr Strange, Batman and Spidey beg to differ

>They knew Superman brand was trash.
Gunn made it trash.
>Goal of the movie was for it to get critical success and rebuild an audience.
It failed both

>It only dropped 54% its second weekend compared to MOS 67%
From a much lower baseline. Its legs after that were mediocre as fuck.

>and had a strong hold against F4. Just made 3 million this weekend on 7th week and will end with a domestic close to 360 million.
Which is still a flop

>Next will be for Supergirl to get similar success before teaming them against Brainiac for Event Movie.
Ah yes, Brainiac the big event villain. As if Supergirl and Justice Gang weren't already in Starlordman.

1/10 jeet post

>>213987541
>Superman 2025
>Supergirl 2026
>Superman-Supergirl vs Brainic 2027

Duh, wonder what they’re building up to. Some kind of big event?

>>213987658
Ahhh yes the big event!!1!! This is also why Flash made 3bn at the box office!

>>213968169 (OP)
it made my friends check on DC so that alone is good i guess.
I liked the movie to be honest.

>superman is a flop because i say so
>yeah but why though?
>BECAUSE I SAY SO

I enjoyed it quite a bit, felt like an episode of the Justice League cartoon or something

>>213987614
> Dr Strange, Batman and Spidey beg to differ

Dr Strange movie with a bunch of legacy characters in a multiverse? That one? Spider Man movie with a bunch of legacy characters in another multiverse movie? That one? The Batman, DCs biggest character that didn’t even come close to a billion? That one?

>From a much lower baseline. Its legs after that were mediocre as fuck.

It’s the oldest movie still in theaters making 3 million on its 7th weekend. It beat Rebirth almost a month ago at domestic and Rebirth been out theaters for two weeks. You’re an idiot

>>213987790
>Lex is not a legacy character, neither is Hawkgirl or Supergirl!!
You're on cope Gunnpedo mode again.

>>213987861
>mos total after six months in theatres
>superman total only after one month with vod

eat shit

The Flash had literally every DC big shot hero and still flopped. Gunnpedos need to come to terms with Brainiac "event" movie won't save their abused asses.

>>213987879
MoS beat Starlordman time aligned you coping pedo apologist bitch

>>213987919
>random screencap headline vaguely describing nothing

cool clock ahmed

>>213987119
Things went down in Man of Steel

>>213987898
The Flash was Snyderveree garbage and Keaton as Batman which most people didn’t care because he hadn’t been Batman for almost 40 years. If it was Bale back as Batman would’ve been another story. Add on Ezra bullshit and who picked Ezra again to be The Flash?

>>213987951
Look, a faggot Cavill spammer

>>213987951
sounds like crying and suicidal cope i wonder why

>>213987542
His name is very slav sounding, which suggested Russian to me

>>213988016
>>213988064
Coping pedos lmao

box checker status?

>>213988212
What’s your gay obsession been up to? Can’t wait for his Highlander movie nobody wanes to bomb

>>213987658
Is the expected audience of Supergirl+Superman supposed to be that much bigger than Superman?

>>213987726
>yeah but why though?

>>213975102
>>213975302
Any faggot who still holds this opinion should be ignored. This is a dogshit cheesy movie that doesn't hold up today. Gunn's Superman blows this faggot out of the water. Like seriously go rewatch it without nostalgia glasses and see for yourself just how dated the jokes all are. Movie is fucking dogshit.

i left where he was caught and i just turned it off. not for me

>>213988278
if it’s a justice gang movie too with the super family being the protagonists yeah. throw in peacemaker and blue beetle sure why not

>>213988278
If Supegirl does well, absolutely. Just builds momentum for the team up. It was a risky move making a Supergirl movie before Superman came out and putting the team up into production before Supergirl comes out. But they want to keep going it going because team ups are only ones doing big now. Next Spider Man got The Punisher and The Hulk in it

these companies need to lean to reduce the budget for their cape movies

I don’t think that kid was talking about Man of Murder

Come on, latinx pedogunn fag, show yourself, I know you're here, I need to remind you that you are subhuman.

I still cant buy that Cornsweat guy is a Superman. Even when Superman was with the Justice gang, you don't feel that larger than life persona that separates him from the other superheroes.

The snyderverse still fucking dead LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>F4 will save the snyderverse!!
>The smurfs will save the snyderverse!!

>>213968169 (OP)
did even jeets like it?

>>213988734
The Gang saw Superman as do gooder boy scout, which is how people see Superman. They were all jealous of him
and you had Peacemaker saying how he made them all look bad. But then when The Gang didn’t want to get involved in international war but saw kids raising a flag for Superman to save the day, once again they felt like a bunch of assholes and came to help. So seems like The Gang is starting to fall behind Superman by end of the movie. And with Superman and Supergirl now with them in the Peacemaker recon, it’s confirmed

>>213983163
These people are autists who can only handle one emotion at a time
Someone else laughing is enough to override their current feelings

I'm a rape victim yes I am

>>213985969
Is there a US military base that has a giant AI machine buried 2 miles below the Earth that just tries to compute the shittiest posts possible or something? I don't even think it's possible for humans to come up with anything this shitty.

>Everyone says that about [Christopher Nolan’s] Batman Begins. “Batman’s dark.” I’m like, okay, “No, Batman’s cool.” He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn’t, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that’s how that would go.
Snyder would love to adapt that

>>213968169 (OP)
It's really mid, I think the main problem is the pacing. They throw you in the middle if the story and nothing much happening in the beginning, it's confusing and all characters are just talks. I especially don't like the interview scene with Lois, almost dropped the movie there because both main characters were so unlikable from the beginning. It gets better and surprisingly Lex in all his comedic villainy made this plot works. But still there is nothing much to see in this movie. Fighting scenes are mid and not really interesting, they are just there. Ultraman is lame, I wish they could pick more interesting character. Justice gang also were just there, only Mr. Terrific was relevant to the story and plot.

>>213990041
I mean, there's literally an interracial orgy led by your favorite pedophile in the season 2 of Goymaker.

>>213968169 (OP)
It's a terrible Superman film, but as a Guardians-style ensemble superslop vs superslop vs macguffin megaspectacle quipfest with an afterthought dash of insincere soul searching/fortune cookie lecture cringe, it's mildly entertaining. I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would, but I didn't really like it either.

>>213968169 (OP)
Weakest part was the main plot. Getting involved in national disputes has always been more of an evil Superman thing, so it was weird that the conflict between the made-up nations was the central plot piece. Over the years, Superman's offered a variety of different reasons for why he doesn't just go pluck out all the nukes from every missile silo, or throw all the tanks into the sun, or assume leadership of the U.N., or whatever else, but the general idea remains the same: Superman believes it's wrong to involve himself in national disputes, and when he gets into them, it's generally in an alternate universe as part of a superman-turns-evil arc. So, odd choice.

Similarly, the "the Kents are my real parents" point is a central part of his character in all media he's ever appeared in, and nobody's ever had to turn his parents into actual Viltrumites to make it happen. That was just a weird, heavy-handed choice. Also, a few pieces of the film seemed to be more of a direct jab at the Snyder Superman rather than organic parts of the narrative (the "maybe that's the real punk rock" line is the most egregious), which stuck out to me a little more than they should.

The highlights, as usual with Gunn, were the characters that had enough screentime to get a few lines in. Superman was maybe the weakest here, but he was fine. Mr. Terrific was great, and Lex was the uncontested highlight of the film. Hoult owned it, and Lex was every inch the supervillain he ought to be. There was some cringe with how he operated (the fighting-game call outs when fighting Superman got to be a bit much) but there were more hits than misses. Also, I appreciated the monkey-bot farm, as silly as it was.

I think the combination of Fury Road + Nosferatu + this has brought Hoult into the same kind of category as Tim Blake Nelson for me; he may not always be in good movies, but he'll always be good in them.

>>213968292
>>213970702
yall LITERALLY wanting a cape action movie to be like schindlers list? where the fuck am i rn

>>213990500
faggot, there are movies for kids and movies for idiots, superjew is a movie for idiots.

>>213990500
Not those anons but it would be nice to have a big commercial blockbuster which isn't embarrassed by its own existence

We've got Avatar 3 coming but that's about it

>>213968169 (OP)
It's nice, I liked it. Atleast we got a movie where Superman can be Superman.

it was ok. my dad laughed at every 'funny' moment