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Anonymous No.213969157 >>213969176 >>213969207 >>213969244 >>213969272 >>213969315 >>213969368 >>213969415 >>213969442 >>213969622 >>213969657 >>213970026 >>213973660
Adaptations don't have to be faithful to the source material.
Anonymous No.213969176
>>213969157 (OP)
because 99% of source material is bad.
Anonymous No.213969196 >>213969597
elaborate
Anonymous No.213969207 >>213969248 >>213969436 >>213969532 >>213972661
>>213969157 (OP)
Sadly book nerds often fall for the "source material accuracy", just like history nerds fall for the "historical accuracy" fallacy
Anonymous No.213969244
>>213969157 (OP)
They don't have to. All art has the right to fail miserably.
Anonymous No.213969248 >>213969260 >>213969402
>>213969207
Film nerds will fall for the "source material accuracy" when AI remakes come around in a few years.
Anonymous No.213969260 >>213969318
>>213969248
>when AI remakes come around in a few years.
not if lawsuits have to say anything about it
Anonymous No.213969272
>>213969157 (OP)
Fuck you, this is why 97% of adaptations are shit.

I hope AI replaces all this retards.
Anonymous No.213969315 >>213969457
>>213969157 (OP)
I agree with you. Conan The Barbarian is a top 5 GOAT film and it was a mediocre at best adaptation.
Anonymous No.213969318
>>213969260
Good luck suing a computer, it would be legal for personal use anyway.
Anonymous No.213969368
>>213969157 (OP)
You're right. Some adaptations are actually BETTER than the source material.
Anonymous No.213969402 >>213969460
>>213969248
I won't give a shit about AI remakes though. I doubt anyone will, except pajeets maybe.
Anonymous No.213969415
>>213969157 (OP)
Wrong.
Anonymous No.213969436 >>213969485
>>213969207
Worse yet, film nerds fall for 'Movies are art' fallacy.
Anonymous No.213969442
>>213969157 (OP)
It's never about how faithful it is to the source material, if it's as good or better than the source material nobody cares how accurate it is.
People only complain about it when the product is garbage but they can't explain why.
Roadside Picnic, Stalker and the Stalker games are good examples.
Anonymous No.213969457
>>213969315
Same applies for most Kubrick movies. Clockwork Orange and Shining were mediocre books but the movie adaptations were vast improvements.
Anonymous No.213969460 >>213969510
>>213969402
>already mad at AI remakes
thanks for proving my point.
Anonymous No.213969485
>>213969436
Nobody's talking about "muh art"
Anonymous No.213969510 >>213969562
>>213969460
>if you reply to me that means you're mad
OK? I guess I'll just not reply to you if it triggers your autism so badly lel.
Anonymous No.213969532
>>213969207
Had a youtuber opinion sponge argue that the new Willy Wonka movie is better because it's so much more accurate and the creator didn't like what they did.

So we watched both and watching the remake everyone was dead silent the entire time.
Anonymous No.213969562
>>213969510
Turbo mad, the "lel" isn't convincing anyone.
Anonymous No.213969597
>>213969196
>you have already read/played the source material
Then you already know the story and subtext, right? In that case, what's the point of watching a faithful adaptation? You'll be more entertained by a unfaithful adaptation that is trying to bring something new to the table.
>you haven't read/played the source material
Then you shouldn't care at all about accuracy and just expect a good movie.
Anonymous No.213969622
>>213969157 (OP)
You are correct.

It's not like it deletes the source material once it's made. I mean I guess with digital rights management in the future it might.
Anonymous No.213969626
No but if it sucks I will judge you more harshly for deviating from something better
Anonymous No.213969657
>>213969157 (OP)
Agreed. Sometimes the movies stray from the adaptations and fail, but usually it's not because they weren't faithful, it's because they were just bad movies.

Jaws was so much better than the soap opera novel it was based on. The Shining triggered Stephen King for how different (and better) it was. The Thing turning the movie into a body horror paranoid scifi horror was an improvement over the scifi adventure novella it was based on.

Meanwhile Dragonball Evolution didn't suck because it didn't follow the anime, it was just a bad movie. Super Mario Bros wasn't awful because it didn't follow the 8-bit storyline, it was just a bad movie. The kiddie novel Eragon was based on wasn't any good either, but the reason the movie sucked wasn't because it didn't follow it, it was just a bad movie.
Anonymous No.213970026 >>213971294
>>213969157 (OP)
Not 100% faithful. Books/Comics and movies are different mediums and things work in one and not the other. Like you can have 10,000 characters in a book easy, but in a movie that gets tough casting and for audiences. Plus you're trying to cram all that into a much smaller time frame. And books have time to stop, smell the roses, sing and dance, that would be confusing and annoying for movie audiences. Imagine if they kept the Tom Bombadil scenes in Fellowship.
Anonymous No.213971090
the best adaptations can get the messages/themes/vibes of the source across without strictly adhering to the plots, characters, or even setting

being a poor adaptation doesn't mean that the film is bad, however. most of kubrick's filmography is good regardless of accuracy, for example
Anonymous No.213971294 >>213971560
>>213970026
So then long books should not be adapted into movies, but tv series? The Sopranos, the Wire etc all have as many characters as LOTR books.
Anonymous No.213971560 >>213972275
>>213971294
No. It's obvious that you adapt them and trim the fluff for the film medium. That creates more fans that may not have been interested in them as books, but now are. People can enjoy stories in different forms and it's not some abomination to adapt it and not keep it exactly perfectly the same. Hell, even something like Starship Troopers which is a horrendous adaptation, did a great job being its own really entertaining movie.
Anonymous No.213972275 >>213973936
>>213971560
Verhoeven kino is miles better than the book. A rare case when a movie adaptation is better.
Anonymous No.213972661 >>213973936
>>213969207
Historical accuracy is important, same as source material accuracy. That being said, there are people who are sperging out as if "Kingdom of Heaven" (director's cut ofc) was a bad representation of the era. Yeah there are many things that are off and, by all counts, Sybilla should've been the villain. That being said, the story is good, it's what could've happened were history to be nudged a little bit off, the morals are proper. Same with with LotR, with the exceptions of the ghosts. That was retarded.
Anonymous No.213973502
Sometimes adaptations that go off from the source end up better, but not always. There at least needs to be some core retained between source and adaptation.
Anonymous No.213973585
If you think modern Hollywood writing/editing is superior to whatever you believe you'd like to see adapted, than the thing you want to see adapted must REALLY fucking suck.

Also, "le subversion of expectations" and "le altered adaptation" have become so commonplace that they have become the expectation to be subverted. A faithful adaptation would subvert the fuck out of my expectations in 2025.

Why do you guys think things are changed so often, like Wheel of Time?
It's because some RETARD is chosen as the showrunner, someone typically through pure nepotism with a dogshit record, and they try to make a career out of the show, or the movie, or whatever it is, by putting their own UNIQUE CREATIVE STAMP on it. But most of these people are creatively bankrupt so it's all for nothing and all that's accomplished is pissing off the fans.
Anyway, you're a fucking retard OP.
Zoom Zoom No.213973660
>>213969157 (OP)
I think adaptations should have their own character and be distinct, but should generally elaborate/focus on the themes or essence of the material. I feel like you could adapt a lot of stuff like anime for example if you took this approach instead of literally trying to make real life anime, because you just can't.
Literal adaptations I think are better for stuff that has never been adapted to the screen though.
Anonymous No.213973936
>>213972275
>Verhoeven kino is miles better than the book.
The book is awesome though, although not Heinlein's best. But the parts in Starship Troopers about the failed Klendethu attack were amazing, and the training and organization of the Federation and Mobile Infantry in the book were fantastically depicted. I liked the flick but it was retarded standard foot infantry were "mobile infantry" and the training and organization of everything was mediocre. Good flick for entetainment and ra ra action but saying it's better than the book is just asinine.

>>213972661
>Same with with LotR, with the exceptions of the ghosts. That was retarded.
The ghost army was not remotely the problem with Hackson's flicks. I'm glad you brought this up, as it is extremely pertinent to the thread: the march of the ghost army in the book allowed Aragorn to cause fear in the Southron army which caused enough defections and fleeing to let Prince Imrahil sally out from his besieged cities and defeat them, then rally to the defense of Minas Tirith. To depict this in a film would require introducing those cities, Imrahil, and other things that take time, when Return of the King already had bad pacing issues because of Hackson's shit decisions on the layout of the second half of The Two Towers. Since the basic plot point of Aragorn's arc and the ghost army, was Aragorn rallying them as the legitimate heir to the King of Gondor, and using their presence to assist in the war effort. This is what was done in the film, in the simplistic way of his ghost army relieving the battle at Minas Tirith. Anyone who thinks the ghost army in the films was "retarded" is one themselves; Hackson's films have plenty of things to critique, but that isn't one.