Thread 213989260

Is meth really that good?

it's like a strong cup of coffee really

gross

I've never tried actually street meth, but I once took a whole bunch of adderall. I felt intensely calm and relaxed, but not sleepy. There was also a bit of a pleasurable "buzz" feeling. It made me jack off for like 3 hours, and I was perfectly content and happy doing so.

you should try it op

>>213989260 (OP)
It is.
The anti-drug PSA system is aggressively Jewish. Meth never killed anyone important.

Heroine is better

>>213989260 (OP)
It's hard to maintain. It's so good you keep doing it and stay up two or three days in a row and soon you're just starting at walls or out the window for hours before you realize it. Then you crash out for like 18 hours, dead to the world. Unwakeupable. Then you usually want more when you wake up because you've never been so lethargic and groggy. Then it all starts again. Some people can handle it but those of us with addiction issues won't put it down. I'm glad I got out when I did. I was losing all sorts of shit in my life as I was zoned out and tweaking. Always late. Making stupid excuses. Everyone knew I was fucked up. It was a nightmare at the end. I met people who shot it up too. What a bunch of paranoid assholes too. Always freaking out when a cop would drive by. Trashy fucking people. I started becoming a little trashy. That's why I quit. Yet some days I think about it. Like it might be fun for a weekend. But I have responsibilities and I can't. And I know better. I can't ever just do a little bit of the drugs. I have to do all of the drugs and then get more.

>>213989260 (OP)
From the documentaries I've seen on meth , it's definitely in the "never do this drug" list.

>>213989260 (OP)
It is good.
That's the problem with drugs.

>>213989513
I'm glad you escaped it. Understand that your life is so much better now. Stay strong. I hope the best for you.

>>213989260 (OP)
I've never tried it, and the modern stuff is supposed to be a lot worse than the old stuff, but I have heard stories from guys who have done it, one guy in particular shot up the meth through a vein in his neck, and he said he started cumming in his pants immediately

>>213989260 (OP)
Meth is trash. Now fishscale coke, that's the white man's drug.

>>213989710
White men don't take...............drugs.

>>213989726
>White men don't take...............drugs.
Lmfao, okay. Keep believing that, I genuinely hope you stay naïve like that.

>>213989428
did you get heat flashes?

>>213989513
remember how good it felt tho. just a little bit won't hurt

I tried meth and I just got really tingly and horny but my dick couldn't get hard. For some reason I frantically wanted to watch BBW porn and I was jerking my semi limp dick while getting angry at the guy in the video for not doing a good enough job fucking the girl, kept imagining myself beating him up and then fucking her.

>>213989726
They're all jesusfreaks like you.

>>213989762
No connect. You have to purge your life of those people and lose their numbers. There's always weed.

>>213989726
Whitey invented drugs specifically so they could get high as shit

>>213989284
I had a roommate who did it and he was geeking fym

I got a better question: do junkies really care whatever it's pure meth or not? Like I get it, no one likes laxative powder in their drugs but come on I don't believe junkies are that picky.

>>213989260 (OP)
At first. It makes every extremely absorbing, eg if you game you can get as into it as you did when you were a kid. Lose a entire day, happily. After a few days it just makes you paranoid and jumpy.... You need to take a tolerance break of a month or so. Its actually not hard to stop though unless you are a complete loser to does it all day every day.

>>213989902
Total junkies wouldnt care or notice. Functional addicts would prefer it because their supply would last longer. Dealers would love it because they could cut it with sugar and their customers wouldnt notice.

>>213989428
you might have ADHD

>>213989260 (OP)
YO I DIDNT SMOKE IT ALL, BITCH

>>213989428
If Adderall makes you calm you probably have some sort of attention deficit disorder.

>>213989978
Sugar burns when you heat it and people immediately return meth that bubbles brown or black in a pipe. No shit. I once remember a "recall" of meth where the dealer contacted everyone with apologies and righted it with good meth. It was some case of someone trying to pull a fast one. Maybe a middle man. I've gotten drugs I knew were pinched or even padded with filler on the way over. It's obvious with meth though. That's why no one likes it all powdered. The more crystalized glass looking it is the better. I didn't even like smoking it, I was a snorting guy. But people smoked constantly and I'd smoke to check that it was melting clear.

it's all been the same Mexican shit for 20 years so any user could tell additives were added and wouldnt be happy

>>213989537
Most people who've done coke have inadvertently done meth.

>>213989260 (OP)
it'll make you cum in 4 strokes

>>213990318
Or you couldn't finish after four hours.

>>213990372
https://youtu.be/F94b0qdrkcg

>>213989513
You are ruined for life.
Junkys never really recover their brain.
You’ll always be on a “down” now

>>213989778
>I just got really tingly and horny but my dick couldn't get hard

itll get hard when its wearing off and it'll be the biggest its ever been

>>213989778
>getting angry at the guy in the video for not doing a good enough job fucking the girl, kept imagining myself beating him up and then fucking her.
ROFL love meth stories

I snorted some meth at a party once and for the first time in my life I felt genuinely like a normalfag. I didn't have to pretend to be interested in conversation or that I was having a good time. I could say anything to anyone. I was having these really great conversations with people I either didn't know or hadn't seen in ages.

Kind of made me realise just how much I was missing out on by being a severely depressed sperg

>>213990581
I was never a junkie. I was a dabbler. I never touched a needle or stole for drugs or became homeless. I just hung out with scuzzy people for a few months and started losing the respect of friends and family before getting my shit together. Went to outpatient rehab and groups to get the tools I needed to cope without substances. Once you're able to see that the "highs" of using were always at the cost of something else, the appeal goes away. Some people decide they don't want to live without those peaks and valleys but I've never been stupid. It was out of curiosity and a sense of adventure that I got into all of that in the first place, like maybe I could write a book about slumming it with these people; I had romantic notions like that a lot back then. But I'm an addict so meth was just as destructive as booze or opiates. I'd get myself a habit and check myself before it got out of hand. Live and learn. I met a lot of interesting people but not too many who I found intellectually stimulating. I wanted to have all night philosophical discussions like in college in my early twenties. Meth heads like to watch conspiracy videos on bitchute on their cracked phones and scheme ways to get drug money. The excitement has long warn off for those people, and I was left unfulfilled and getting closer and closer to being a "known person" or whatever to the cops. It's a small world and once you're in with that group it's hard to get your reputation back. I never was arrested. In fact I was useful as the straight guy with the clean record and decent car who could transport drugs for gas and money and some free drugs. But half those people never did accept me. They thought my cleanliness and manners and full set of teeth were suspicious and rumors circulated I was a "narc". And tweakers are just like any other kind of schizo, they get it in their head and it won't leave. I knew I couldn't keep using and not get hooked and if I wasn't hooked they wouldn't trust me.

>>213991128
This is how drugs and especially alcohol trap so many people. That feeling of confidence like you can grab the world by the balls. Cocaine does that too.

I'm too scared to try meth. I've only had coke, e, and lsd

>>213990501
Fucking GROSS!!!
WTF
Fuck you!

>>213989428
>It made me jack off for like 3 hours, and I was perfectly content and happy doing so.

I do that without any drugs.

>>213991273
Does this affect your sex life with women? I don't think that's healthy to do.

>>213990581
With actual methamphetamine yeah, it fucks with the substantia nigra quite strongly, so if you've been doing it non stop you will really fry the "deep" lizard brain. Plain old amphetamine is honestly a "better" drug in terms of drain bamage (but actually could be worse on the body if you're comparing "very responsible" meth use vs "very responsible" amphetamine use)

The problem is that basically any meth is an "over-dose" (not as in an OD but as in it's mental effects are through the roof and past the desired threshold), and nobody just does like 15mg of meth. Not being able to sleep for 3 days, eat, or forgetting to drink water probably does more damage if you were to actually take it "properly" and very infrequently

>>213989710
Other way around, cocaine is most certainly fun, but it's spiritually polluted with a jungle swarthiness. The TRVE ARYAN craves the icey-cold autism of synthetic amphetamines (and not any of those serotogenic substituted amphetamines)

hopefully, they'll one day be able to engineer a non-addictive, non-neurotoxic, stimulant

>>213989284
And how is that like?

>>213989284
meth is 1000x more dopaminergic than coffee you get insane euphoria on it

that’s the main difference between amphetamines and caffeine anyway, amphs are very dopaminergic

>>213991894
like a strong meth

>>213989428
Dis u?

>>213989428
I jerk off for 3-4 hours normally

>>213989453
Rots brains though

never tried meth and coke is a nigger drug that sucks but amph is fucking awesome so probably

>>213991201
>scheme ways to get drug money

but it's the cheapest there is, even cheaper than weed?

>>213989260 (OP)
no but you're right it was mainly an advertisement for meth

>>213991201
Narc detected
Don't trust this guy
Now let's go get some more meth

>>213991285
I have numerous chronic health issues that lead to me being a recluse so its does not per say. I do only jerk off like once a week though

>>213992548
No thats destinys alt

>>213991374
Yes. Never understood (well actually as I have the addict brain I understand way too well) why people zoot themselves with meth and not just enjoy being truly awake and in control of themselves with speed.

Uppers are shit
Downers are where it's at.

I wouldn't know I'm not homeless.

>>213989428
I've only ever tried weed and it made me so horny I masturbated all day and my dick was badly swollen for days

>>213989260 (OP)
it's pretty kino. I rarely do it but tonight I was walking around and met some qt broads and it makes you imagine yourself as a super-CHAD even if you're just a sweaty tweaker so we got all high and rolled around like a buck with a squad of does and then no one sucked my dick and my balls hurt now.

5/10

i usually just eat a small amount, not inhaling it like the characters in Breaking Bad and not using anywhere close to as much, but even small amounts cause some pretty significant discomfort like shakiness, sweating, teeth-grinding, automatic chain-smoking pack after pack, etc. I can't imagine how bad that would be if you blasted a big crystal like methheads do, but I guess the euphoria is just enough to make it worth doing. if you get addicted/habituated it can lead down a very dark road. like psychotic and scratching your face off after beating up and robbing your own grandmother. better off with occasional use of psychedelics likes mushrooms or cannabis.

>>213992560
teeth too if you make it a habit

It must be. Used to work in a restaurant where the general manager was like 5 years clean and liked to hire ex meth heads. In all the years I was there I can count on one hand the ones that stayed clean. It always went the same way, they'd do pretty good on work release, do pretty good in the halfway houses, and then within a month of getting away from all that they would go back on the pipe and fuck their whole life up. Even my boss went back to it after being clean 9 years and lost everything. Every single one would also claim they weren't addicted and could control it. The honest few said they'd think about it every single day even when they weren't using and admitted they were lifelong addicts just fighting to not use and it was the best feeling they ever had in their lives.

>>213992595
Not for people with a habit. Not when they shoot it up. They need more and more. I once watched a dealer run out of meth and borrow some from me and he scooped like a weeks worth (for me) into a pipe which about half filled it, and he just reefed like ten giant clouds of it in a row. It was a bowl of liquid by then and still enough to last me days. But this was just to get him a few hours until he scored again. His tolerance was through the roof. I knew people who shot up for whom smoking did nothing at all. I just liked doing little bumps of it, or just swallowing a little chunk. Or making a meth and club soda cocktail. It was always cheap to me, but like any drug it doesn't stay that way if you keep doing it.

>>213993129
That would go away when you smoke weed regularly. I assume. Kind of a weird reaction to weed. I get once, maybe twice. But all day? Everyone has their priorities I guess.

>>213989260 (OP)
Is crystal meth a real thing or is it a fictitious drug created for the show?

>>213993183
Yeah, I definitely would develop weird sores on my face, even though I bathed everyday and drank water and tried to do everything to remain physically healthy. I chewed sugar-free gum so I wouldn't develop dental issues. But I'd get sores that would seep oily or watery stuff. They wouldn't bleed and it wasn't pus, it was clear or yellowish fluid. It was so weird. Like weird mutated cold sores from the chemicals running through my pores in sweat. I'd even take two showers a day sometimes and had all sorts of skin care stuff like Patrick Bateman, but still the sores were unavoidable. So growing out facial hair would cover them up. But still you spend hours in the mirror and your eyes can become like close-up lenses and you're just fixated on your skin, and you discover a new sore and kind of pick at it and make it worse and then it starts getting more infected. And even if you try to eat and stay healthy you just aren't, because you never really rest and you're pumping that poison through your bloodstream and sweating it out nonstop. Your body doesn't know how to heal itself. I'd also get cellulitis in my calves I guess from just not laying down ever. The hospital would think I was using heroin or needles but I'd just always get swollen legs from month long meth jags. And I'd take pills and benzos, whatever was around. I was just all around unhealthy. Really slender but because I never ate properly. GF would push pastries and junk on me and I'd eat it. Developed some bad eating habits that made me gain weight after getting clean. You really want sugar and stuff when you can't get high anymore. Coffee, cigarettes, candy. But it's so much better than the dark places drugs take you. You really feel innocent and like you've come home to goodness when you go to a 12 step meeting after the drugs are out of your system. It's like rebirth.
Of course that doesn't last.

>>213993520
Walter’s super duper formula is not real, also the writers don’t want to teach people how to actually make meth

Wow this place always used to be full of subhumans, but now it's normgroid subhumans.
Addicts are literally not human, they've forfeited their humanity for a cheap thrill. The world would be a better place if you choked on your own vomit and died.

>>213992734
Yeah any amount of meth is just "too much" (better crosses the BBB as far as I understand plus has a strong effect in the substantia nigra)
>>213993072
Shalom

>>213993668
The trvke is that this applies to alcohol too

The best advice for meth is to DO IT ONCE and stay up for 24 hours straight super euphoric but then DON'T KEEP DOING IT
The thing that really fucks people up is less the meth itself and more the fact that they keep doing it and stay up for 4-5 days, that's the part that makes you temporarily insane more than the stimulant itself.
>t did meth twice

>>213993668
Normgroid?

>>213991213
Is there a way to achieve normalhood without drugs?

>>213993183
you forgot raping your grandmother

>>213993371
why hire the burnouts? seems better to hire the current tweakers for repetitive 12hr shifts

>>213993862
This. It's mostly sleep deprivation that causes the "psychosis". I blacked out and did weird shit, left strange voicemails which concerned people. I convinced myself things were happening that weren't. I'd kind of 'come to' and realize I was alone in my car and I wasn't driving two people around. It was weird. But it was also this liberating vacation from myself. I wasn't really worried about anything. I had money and I could go home whenever I wanted, but I was off on a weird hallucination for a few days. And then it'd get really bad where my eyes would cross and my vision was so specifically skewed it's hard to explain, but it was like viewing through a split prism where I couldn't see straight; everything converging from both sides at a 45 degree angle. And this was in highway traffic. Very dangerous. Pull over and go to sleep for a while. Cops knock on window, I'm awake, I'm fine, I'm a "citizen" with no record and a decent car. I have respect and manners. He tells me to get a cup of coffee and get back on the road. I get a coffee with cream and sugar and a couple giant apple fritters and doughnuts and another pack of cigarettes. It starts to snow. I go into the gas station restroom and do a key bump. My eyes water, my sinuses burn, and I'm filled with icy euphoria. I light up a cigarette and it's divine. I feel clean. I go outside into the snow and get in the car and put it into 4WD and eat a doughnut. Find a good talk radio station and get back on the road. I've only been two towns over. No one knows me here. I'll go home and smoke a joint and sleep for two days.

I do kind of miss that shit. But it was not good for me. I'm lucky I never got busted or robbed or in an accident. I did scuff against a guardrail once dozing off, but that was a wakeup call near the end. Of course if I'd REALLY fucked up my life I'd probably not crave it anymore. When you don't hit a rock bottom you always think you can return.

>>213993874
this reminds me of that tragedy

>>213993420
>this was just to get him a few hours until he scored again. His tolerance was through the roof. I knew people who shot up for whom smoking did nothing at all
I can't even imagine having such tortured brain cells, God damn. hard to believe the tolerance to the physiological effects is so high and methheads don't overdose from exploding hearts more often

>>213993947
Having good parents who boost your self esteem helps. But I had all that and still always felt something was missing. I had the perfect childhood. My parents are still married. I just wanted to be wild and try all the drugs. They made me feel good, better than normal, better than reality.
Normal is a state of mind. I was always normal but I didn't feel like it. I felt better when punishing myself with booze or escaping with drugs. Something's just off with addicts. But we have a lot of grit. We can build up big lives and then destroy them and then rebuild them again. We're not for just sitting around the sidelines. I get restless and bored. There are so many possibilities in life. If you're already like that drugs just make it times ten and you want to do everything. And people want to be around excited people. Eventually they figure out a lot of it is the drugs and then they don't want to be around you so much, lol. But then they want to help when you ask for it, which is nice. Damn I miss drugs sometimes. That's why I like drug memoirs of musicians and comedians and such. The wild tales help keep me from getting into trouble again myself.

I have tried alcohol, weed, xtc/mdma, shrooms, lsd and amphetamines (speed).

I never interested in coke, meth or heroine

Am I missing out?

Im too old now to experiment with shit and dont really care

>>213989260 (OP)
Salty sands.

>>213989537
So Big Dive is trying to stop me from finding the hidden civilisations in underwater caves???

I am buying scuba gear RIGHT NOW.

>>213989260 (OP)
Crashed my el camino into a trailer home while on a meth bender and I ran away through the woods and fell in a river and floated along until I reached the next town and called the police to say that my car was stolen then when I got back home I realised my arm was broken in two places and I had glass shards stuck in my face so i did more meth to not feel pain and fell asleep and bled all over my couch then i went to the hospital the next morning and forgot what had happened to my car so i called the police again

>>213990064
>>213990016
bullshit. it's a perfectly normal reaction. you're being bombarded with pleasure and the chemical thing that tells you "whatever you're doing right now keep doing it!". which is nothing and being "calm". then after a while you build up a tolerance and doing nothing isn't enough so you feel the need to do something else like jacking off.

don't be so gullible

>>213993520
>>213993654
Walter's famous quality is ostensibly due to his ability to synthesize a stereospecific final product. Methamphetamine as a molecule exists in 2 forms, levomethamphetamine and dextromethamphetamine. Dextro is the good stuff, and the levo is so weak and devoid of any high that is is sold legally in the USA in nasal inhalers without prescription. Now most uneducated cooks who use cough pills as a precursor source usually acquire pseudoephedrine which being stereospecific is easily reduced to d-meth with a basic cook. This is the method used by Walter and Jesse in S1. Eventually they move to a phenyl-2-propanone cook using methylamine which generally will produce a racemic product (50/50 mix of d-meth and l-meth). This is often referred to as "biker meth", being the method used by American motorcycle gangs who became prominent in the meth trade. This means even a very pure meth crystal produced this way will have only half the potency of Walter's premium gear, and likely much less than that due to impurities or poor reaction vessels. So Walt's grand skill allows him to use a common and inexpensive precursor to produce a 99% pure dextromethamphetamine where most chemists could only produce half that or less. The truth is that methamphetamine is simply not a complex synthesis and a chemistry graduate student should be able to make pure enantiomers if they have good equipment and pic related. I'm sure that an average Mexican with a masters degree in chemical engineering would have no trouble making better meth than Jesse, making that cartel BTFO scene pretty ridiculous. It's also ironic that he demands insane purity standards but colors his meth with blue dye (all pure methamphetamine HCl is a clear-to-cloudy white crystal.

>>213994249
some people seem to get a mellow heady feeling of control from amphetamines. as an ADD-tard they just amp me up like crazy while (at low doses) admittedly making me much for functional

>>213994182
People keep saying "I've done speed and amphetamines but not meth".

It's the same thing really. From adderall to ritalin to speed to meth, it's all the same family of drugs. Some is made differently than others, but they all feel very similar. Enough lines of adderall feel quite like smoking a little meth. There are differences but bottom line you're filled with energy and can stay up all night and more if you want to. Some people can even sleep if they want to, if they have to, but you just don't want to.
And it's heroin, not heroine. Heroine is the female protagonist and shit.
You're never too old to do drugs. Look at Hunter Thompson and William Burroughs. Legends.
Yes, you're missing out. Coke is fun as hell and you can drink all night. Meth is the same as speed but you get a body high along with the edginess, and heroin you should just smoke or snort a little bit to see if you like it. Then if you do like it and don't get ill be very careful because before you know it you'll have a habit and be a little sick without it. And if you don't quit right then you're fucked and will probably end up on the needle and once that happens it's like 90% mortality rate. You may make it a year or fifteen years but you'll die from an OD. Like Philip Seymour Hoffman or the guy who played Omar or Mitch Hedberg or countless rockstars or the people you know who died. It's fentanyl killing them now. Even easier than the heroin did. So good luck even finding heroin. If I could find it I'd like some for old time's sake, but from what I hear there's so little demand for it now that there are $2 'blues' on the street. But who knows how deadly those are. The real junkie fuckers SEEK the deadly shit for the better high. They're already dead to the world anyway. Fuck that shit. But try everything. You need to learn for yourself.

>>213989513
Ive actually heard that it's very underestimated how many white collar people are using meth instead of coke, whether it be do to access or preference. Not all of them rapidly turn into toothless zombies

>>213989822
If WEED's so good how come there's no WEED 2.

>>213994248
Holy fuck. I live for these kinds of tales. Did you get away with it or did they piece it together? I've somehow lied my way out of all kinds of shit like that. You just need to be respectful and have no record (being white helps I'm sure) and they don't even suspect you if they can't smell alcohol. I've had cops and tow truck drivers and firemen all fooled and concerned about me and meanwhile there's fucking hard drugs on me and in the smashed car right there. Shit could have gone wrong for me SO many times. I'm charmed or something. And I'm just smooth with people.

>>213994182
meth is just stronger amphetamine, not missing much, don't need to smoke the stuff anyway.
cocaine is pretty neat, it's an even more intense and broad euphoriant than amphetamines but I have never preferred it. its reward is rapidly diminished with more coke, chasing that high is a fool's quest, it makes you a real cunt personality wise, and wrecks your nose, and strains your heart and costs more than gold. And that's if you're getting 99% pure cocaine which you almost never are. It's a great party favor and fun to mix with alcohol (producing a new and more potent compound in the blood, cocaethylene) and a great male aphrodesiac, you can fuck like a stallion for an hour and get some sleep after unlike speed.
Heroin is fucking fantastic but insanely addictive because it really is as good as people say. Realize this, and doom your life to caring about nothing but more heroin. The high is similar to pain pills like codeine or oxycodone but heroin is specifically desired for injection. Using it any other way is hardly different than its natural parent compound morphine. If you want to try the high without becoming an instant fiend you can try growing opium poppy and smoking the milky latex with tobacco or cannabis.

>>213991201
Sounds familiar. I hung out with an old friend from many years previous who'd fallen in with the wrong crown, we went over someplace and they used some meth, it was sketchy and crazy, didn't know my friend was hanging out with these kinds of people now. They were a couple about 30 yo who'd inherited a small house in a not great neighborhood -- the insides were mostly destroyed expect for a shitty couch and bed, my friend said it didn't take long for the couple to do that to the house once inherited. sad situation.

>>213994334
meth is definitely more intense but not so much more than it's not basically the same cup of tea at the end of the day

>>213994344
it's called AB-FUBINACA you newfag

>>213989537
>from documentaries i've seen
no one gives a fuck what you have to say

>>213989260 (OP)
No (yes)

>>213991374
LSD and oxymorpone are the White Man's drugs, pleb.

>>213989260 (OP)
Apparently its so good that when people do it they decide to devote their whole lives to it. They sell everything they own, abandon their friends and families, and end up living on the street just so they can maximize their ability to do meth without any other responsibilities.

That must mean its pretty good I guess.

I wish I knew how to get drugs online again. I had figured it out like 15 years ago or more, using silkroad. I wouldn't even know where to start to look for instructions on all that anymore. I remember it was very reliable but also pretty expensive. But high quality and no sketchy dealers. Probably a bad idea anyway. The brain is always trying to trick me back into using. I always hated paying middlemen to score me drugs. I never wanted to get deep enough in to where I could know the dealer personally, and also the middler never wants that to happen either because they want their free drugs. Then the dealer gets paranoid and wants to know the guy in the car around the corner and then you're on your way to a habit because the drugs are now cheaper. It's all a mess. I'm better off just smoking legal weed. Truly the cheapest drug and only getting cheaper. Available every day all over town. Never lets you down.

for me, it's a strong morning coffee, a small bong hit and 600mg of pregabalin
stimulants are for monkeys. I did coke a few times and I didn't like how manic and unpredictable it made me, I don't get the appeal of such drugs. Sure, they make videogames absorbing but so do benzos / weed and there's no chance of you trying to shoot the pizza guy when he knocks on the door or raping your dog.

>>213994571
Like Rocky Lockridge

>>213994611
just look for "darknet market buying guide bitcoin monero reddit 2024 2025" and see what the druggie fags over there have stickied, probably a good way to get reaquainted. It's pretty awesome having total access to drugs (if you're willing to import foreign packages occasionally) by mail even with the high prices. make sure your op-sec is always perfect though. don't want to GoToJail and get reamed by niggers

>>213994623
>Pregabalin
hmmm. pic related
I considered trying it while getting off the dopiates

>>213994677
You're trying to tempt me but I shan't give in. And they don't usually bust the buyers of drugs. They didn't give a fuck when they busted the silkroad guy. They must've gotten my info off of there. I bought like three pills.

Thing is, at the time bitcoin was worth like $50 and I had like $60 worth. The leftover money has got to be worth something if I ever find that wallet thing. It was a bitch to buy the coin though. I had to go to a weird bank and get a cashiers check and mail it off somewhere. That was so long ago. Obama was freshly elected I think.

>>213994696
for me it's a god tier drug, I don't get any real side effects apart from the shits. takes a few hours to kick in which can be a trap if you don't know about it, but when it does it is a great long lasting high similar to tramadol but without any comedown. gives me a lot of social confidence too. depending on the dose it can either be a normie confidence pill similar to alcohol or small dose of coke, but in higher doses it can really fuck you up and make it easy to watch an 8 hour film in one sitting. I almost messed up mixing it with xanax and alcohol though, it is deceptively strong. Until that night I never understood how people OD'd and assumed they were all hardcore junkies

>>213992448
Why is dopamine giving one euphoria? The brain science bros are trying to persuade me that dopamine is the molecule of seeking and it has no good feelings attached to it.
Surely there must be more about how meth affects the brain and there must be other neuro transmitters?
I understand its stimulant aspect and maybe that's the hook?

>>213994783
interdasting. surprised an amino acid could be that potent. tnx anon.

>>213994962
>dopamine =/= euphoria
it's a good way to explain drugs to an elementary schooler but the neurological mechanisms that lead to "euphoria" are much more complex than simply having high dopamine levels.

Chemistry is so based anons. Any good chem films?
The Young Poisoner's Handbook was pure dark-comedy kino

>>213995040
The Master he mixes up weird booze drinks. That got me super curious that a dude like Hubbard would just trust and drink weird chemicals.

Is it true that when longtime meth addicts get clean they can basically never feel joy ever again?

>>213995024
Yea that's my point.

>>213995152
There’s no such thing as an addiction; it’s not a disease or loss of control, but an over‑insistence on routine performances that deliver a dopaminergic hit; a learned, cyclical habit; serious and often destructive, yes, yet rooted in preference, beliefs, and cues, and changeable through metacognition, updated expectancies, and breaking the pattern (no shame needed).

>>213994454
Shalom

>>213995152
That is a core piece of the "disease model" propaganda designed to create learned helplessness. The idea that you have permanently broken your brain's reward system is just another way of saying you're a helpless victim of a disease, which is nonsense.
From the perspective that addiction is a strong preference and a cyclical habit, the reality is the opposite. There are ex-meth users who find profound joy in life even having never left the squalor of their old environment. Their joy doesn't come from external circumstances; their new freedom is the source of their joy. The feeling of no longer being compelled to chase that next hit, of breaking free from that insidious, recurrent pattern, is a powerful and exhilarating experience.
They haven't "healed" a diseased brain; they've made a conscious decision to value their freedom and future more than the temporary feeling the substance gave them. The joy they feel is the profound and genuine pleasure of self-determination, of having broken a destructive habit of mind and reclaiming their own life. It's not about dopamine receptors; it's about the liberation of the human spirit.

>>213995152
i think it's fair to say they lose a bit of life's luster so to speak. if your grey matter is like a rough bit of sandpaper doing meth for years seriously grinds it down. but an ex-head meth head should still get a wicked rush from BASEjumping I'd think

>>213995152
I've assumed that people who have 10+ year serious drug/alc problems would have difficulties in this regard, especially with opiates and certain stimulants, since they are super blissful. Having a problem for 1-3 years likely doesn't irreparably fuck your brain's capacity for happiness though, just some thoughts I had. 10+ year addictions are gonna make all sorts of other changes too, especially alcohol.

I was a heavy drinker for three years and had a bit of short term memory problems, which mostly went away, so I can't imagine what sort of awful shit would happen if you drank/used for 12 years or thereabouts.

>>213995267
With alcohol all the problems go away pretty much entirely even for hardcore abusers, we have ridiculous amount of research on this.
Neuroplasticity is a thing, and that was research on mostly passive people. Imagine if you learn new things and embrace life, the healing will come faster and you'll actually break trough because it takes ridiculous will power to go trough nasty habits, which you will retain for the rest of your life.

>>213995152
well yeah if someone took away something you really liked, would you be happy about it?

>>213995303
Which is why people forced in bullshit addiction centers relapse hardcore. They are forced to not take something they genuinely desire for long times and told that they are sick and incapable of moderation or will never enjoy life again.
Utter bullshit, people do drugs because they want to, it's all mental. And also where you need to handle each and everyone as an adult and tell them that they can start to moderate and it's all a matter of choice power and calibrated desires.

>>213995248
it amazes me that there are people who know so little about life but still feel the need to talk constantly. you are an idiot and you know nothing at all.

How do you even smoke a crystal?

>>213995356
Kiddo.
There are mountains of research on this, there's even a book explaining the framework.
The Freedom Model (Original!Main Text).pdf
catbox atkcjz.pdf
You're to blame for all your shortcomings, faggot, you're not diseased, you're a bitch, very immature and incapable of understanding adult responsibilities and good faith dialogues where people tell you how things work.

>>213995356
I don't know a lot about substance abuse -- where was that post wrong?

It's so funny people see homeless toothless zombies, barely able to speak or think, constantly trying to get their next fix, and think: hmmm they might be onto something. Maybe I should try it. Don't want to miss out!

>>213995428
>substance abuse
kek look at the language these people use. if you call it "substance enjoyment", which is what it is, then their entire argument falls apart.

>>213995441
well yeah if someone if willing to give up everything to have the thing, then it must be pretty good! doesn't that make you want to try it even more? listen to yourself.

>>213990271
Not me, though I've only done coke at a few parties. Some of the guys that did it regularly got hooked on meth.

>>213995441
those people have no self control. sex addicts who ruin their marriages and finances are stupid addicts too, doesn't mean sex is bad.
meth is fun and can be useful for getting shit done if you aren't retarded.
i.e, need to get a shed built on saturday, buy a little bag, spend the whole day building full of energy and joy having a great time, spend the evening being engrossed in vidya like a 5 year old, sleep it off the next day and have a normie week at work.
not everybody is an addict who can't enjoy drugs responsibly. drugs make boring stuff fun

>>213995356
based junkie

I know they are very different, but in terms of pure euphoria what is stronger? Shooting pure heroin or pure cooled crystal meth?

>>213995743
heroin gives you bliss and euphoria, meth gives you manic energy which can feel great but not the same level of 'pleasure'

>>213995743
like that other anon said it's different. imagine the pleasure you get from throwing a paper ball at a trashcan across the room and against the odds, getting a basket. now amplify that by 1000x for 10hr straight regardless of whether you're shooting hoops or scratching your face off to remove the government tracking devices

heroin is a combination of physical euphoria (think the pleasure you get from sinking into a hot bath after a long, wet, sore hiking trip x100 + the pleasure you get from scratching a mosquito bite x0.5 across your whole skin for 3-5hrs and a mental high from saturating your receptors used for delivering natural painkiller peptides (think the feeling you get from applying an icepack to a 3rd degree burn, not the physical relief, but the cloudy mental relief that wells in your head) x50
and as you do this all day every day because why wouldn't you and run out of dope or money you enter Dante's Inferno

stimulants just make me anxious and addicted to fapping. fuck em

thank god you can't buy real opiates over the counter and I don't have any connections. I'd be truly fucked then.

every time I do drugs by myself at home (the ideal way) I get really locked on to one topic like drowning or orchids or the russian empire and become an expert in it by the end of the day with 1000 tabs and videos open and it feels genuinely fascinating and rewarding to learn about for 24 hours straight before I crash and don't care anymore
I guess that's what succesful normies with jobs they love feel like every day

how is smoking meth compared not snorting it?? did it once and it just felt like regular speed really

>>213995980
move to Canada. they give you free morphine 800mg/day it's wild

>>213996039
hits about 3x slower, similar rush of euphoria and peak plasma levels to smoking, just a bit slower. amphetamines are a bit painful in the nose even if they're properly crushed to dust, and they will give you nauseating drips of chemical flavor into your mouth and can irritate the nasal passages. if your meth is perfectly clean I imagine vaporizing it would be less damaging to tissue than snorting. eating is the safest method and still very efficient. ask yourself if you really need to be high in 5 seconds so badly and can't just wait 30m

>>213989260 (OP)
It's the one drug that pretty much feels exactly how it's portrayed in film.
>pleasant milky tasting smoke
>suddenly you blast off in a rocket and feel like you're towering over everything
>you see and understand all the world's secrets and begin to explore them obsessively
>spend literal days tweaking out while learning about the stock market or reading poetry or whatever intellectual pursuit you think you're on
I think it's probably okay to eat it once in a while, but don't ever smoke. Meth fucks up your teeth after one or two sessions. When the cravings first begin, never buy it again.

>>213989513
Yeah it's the trashy new friends that first make you see what you're doing to yourself. There's no one worth hanging out with who's willing to chill with you while you're tweaking. You're going to spend time with unwashed losers who think they're gangsters or musicians or whatever but pretty much just sit around playing computer games.

>>213990271
Coke sucks ass and if you find yourself enjoying it then it's probably not coke lol

>>213996130
>pleasant milky tasting smoke
it tastes like getting your tooth drilled at the dentist wtf are you on about. much worse than the basic super-bitter flavor of many alkaloids

>>213996130
>You're going to spend time with unwashed losers who think they're gangsters or musicians or whatever but pretty much just sit around playing computer games.
if your friends own electronics they didn't still earlier that day they're hardly trashy enough

>>213996263
steal*

>>213996232
You were smoking low quality crystal or smoking it out of a crack pipe. The guy who got me into it built picrel out of household goods, and it tasted so good. Small flame, thin glass, water chamber, tiny bits of crystal at a time. It doesn't hurt that I was in Asia where the meth is extremely pure. I hear they get the same stuff in Australia but I'll never use it again. Stims just aren't for me.

>>213996263
There are different levels of loser. Nobody tries a new drug and thinks, 'Time to hang out with some bums at the overpass.' It's the semi-retarded losers still barely holding onto their old lives who you need to watch out for. They'll drag you down in their delusion that it's not actually that bad for them and their lives have actually gotten better etc.

>>213993862
This.
If you ever do heavy duty stimulants you have to set up rules for yourself like only staying up for 24 hrs max, only redose every x hrs/minutes (time depends on the drug), when dosing only do x amount, stay hydrated, force feed something every 6-12 hrs, only do it every 6 months to a year, etc.

>>213996863
Having good self-control, not common among drug users of course, goes a long way. Like if you have a digital scale, and just way out a moderate dose, use one of those then maybe another after it wears off, and then just chill after the second dose wears off. Then don't use again for a very long time, or ever lol. Easier said than done though.

>>213995985
did this with lsd and esoteric internet forums idk how the fuck I found them