Thread 214011412

Was I supposed to come away from this not hating every black character or something?

You're supposed to recognize your white privilege or something.

>>214011429
There's literally a scene where a bunch of negros on the corner talk about how they're all too lazy to do what the koreans did and start their own business. The climax of the film is a chimpout where the blacks burn down the non-racist italian guy's pizza shop because the police stop another black guy from choking him to death.

It's absolutely baffling to me that the point of the movie is supposed to be pro-black. If a white guy directed the exact same movie it would be banned.

>>214011558
It's always okay when black people do stuff that would be called evil if done by whites

Hoe do you do the right thing anyway? It's not easy.

no black person ever asked spike lee why mookie throws the can at the end

only white people

>>214011619
>Choking Radio Raheem to death turned out to be the wrong thing after all.

Sal's son was racist, and I suppose we're meant to hold Sal responsible for that.

>>214011653
I believe that human morals are relative.But people who deal in normative concerns beg to differ. I know they are smarter than me, but I still disagree with them. They're just plain wrong.

>>214011646
The scene literally starts off with Sal telling Mookie that he'll always have a place and a job at his pizzeria, even though he's objectively a lazy piece of shit who is constantly blowing off work to run personal errands like foreplay with his GF or taking a shower while on the clock. Mookie repays Sal's loyalty by starting a riot at his pizzeria because the police stopped the boombox negro from murdering him on the sidewalk. The idea that Sal isn't in the right is completely insane. How am I supposed to identify with the blacks in this situation?

>>214011681
He keeps it to himself the entire time, and is proven right by the end of the film because he knows staying around in the neighborhood is a bad idea that can only end in tragedy and that turns out to be 100% right.

>>214011412 (OP)
I went to a high school that was half black half white and everyone of course wanted to take the elective where you could watch movies, the teacher did a unit on this movie and it was awful for race relations among students

>>214011737
wow...

>>214011710
Choking Raheem led to further chaos and destruction, which didn't help anyone. Pretty cut and dry on this one, and I am a nihilist anarchist.

>>214011737
sounds like nobody did the right thing in this situation

>>214011737
what did the teacher seriously think was going to happen?

>>214011811
He tried to murder the pizza shop owner and resisted arrest. The cops didn't realize he was dead, it was an accident. But the nigs didn't care that it was his own fault for creating this situation, so they chimped out and destroyed the business of the victim who never had anything against black people and just wanted to provide them pizza without getting bullied into giving them gibmedats or redecorating his establishment for no reason.

>be white Britfag
>go to my local corner shop which is owned by Indians
>notice that the shopkeeper has an arrangement of portrait photos of Bollywood stars on the wall, and a tremendous seethe rises inside me
>loudly and belligerently demand that he take that shit down and put some decent white faces on the wall

Am I doing the right thing? Am I going to be one of the sympathetic characters in this tale?

>>214011737
Yeesh I also went to a high school like that.
I think in the honors/AP classes it would have been fine, but if you played that in a class full of random bozos it would be rough.

>>214012003
yes. make sure you trow a trash can through the window too.

>>214012023
AP students are oversocialized enough to know that you are not to offend the holy cows of the US state, blacks, but they would still be obviously uncomfortable because the movie does not depict nigs in a remotely sympathetic light.

>>214011646
I'd be fine with the scene, and honestly the whole movie, if it felt like Spike Lee understood that what Mookie did was out of line.

>>214011875
>The cops didn't realize he was dead
Yes, they were shitty cops who handled this poorly and escalated the situation. Raheem was a fucking moron and would've been killed or jailed eventually, without taking down a pizza worker with him.
.

Spike Lee literally made a mup da doo biz nood film about niggers gonna nig as a le wacky 'lol, life be crazy' film and didn't realize his niggering comes across as a condemnation in the eyes of everyone else.

>>214012120
Yup. This...

>>214011412 (OP)
That's the difference between then and now, if it was made today all the dindus would be innocent angels instead of actively responsible the outcome of the movie's ending

>>214011730
You’re not supposed to, you’re clearly white or another race/ you’ll never be able to empathize and relate and that’s the point, spike Lee always laughs about the fact that only white people ask him why mookie threw the trash can for a reason

>>214012093
What were they supposed to do? Let him get away with resisting arrest and chimp out on the cops? He doesn't stop trying to get out of the police chokehold until he stops moving.

>>214012210
That just makes Spike Lee a dumb nig then. Any reasonable person can see why this scene is ridiculous and unsympathetic.

>>214011412 (OP)
You're unironically meant to think Radio Raheem dindu nuffin wrong. Also Spike Lee has denied the common interpretation that Mookie trashed Sal's pizzeria as a way of directing the mob into a building instead of taking more human lives. Mookie does it 100% because he's chimping out, and you're meant to think he's in the right. Bizarre movie. It's pretty good if you don't worship blacks though. While, for any sane person, the blacks are clearly mostly in the wrong, no one is perfect and it's a good depiction of race relationships and why they are doomed to fail even when some of the parties, like Sal and somewhat Mookie at first, are trying to coexist.

>>214012210
>anyone who isn't a nog finds it confusing that their violent behavior isn't seen as bad. Obviously it's everyone else fault.

>>214011412 (OP)
Nah, even Mookie told Buggin' Out to shut the fuck up.

>>214011730
>The idea that Sal isn't in the right is completely insane
Don't forget that Sal still pays Mookie his wages despite everything. Sal is obviously the one doing the right thing. If anything, he goes so far and beyond to do the right thing he's being effectively retarded. And yet Spike Lee meant Sal to be an almost antagonistic figure. Radio Raheem had it coming.

>>214011646
It's cause black people understand that niggas be doing niggerish shit. It's why there's no explanation for why Buggin was willing to get into a fist fight over a scuff mark on a pair of shoes.

>>214012071
the sad part is the filmmaker and intended audience do see them as sympathetic.

it's because these people and their ways of thinking are too alien to ever truly integrate into our culture. it was a mistake to keep them around after slavery ended. Liberia should have been mandatory, not optional.

>>214012429
Yeah. Exactly. Completely baffling. The film just ends with
>muh MLK
>muh Malcom X

Even though those messages are totally contradictory, which it even highlights with the quotes from the two at the end. No idea wtf Spike Lee was thinking. Just came away from the film with the impression that the director is a fucking retard with a ridiculous ideology about how blacks can't du nuffin wrong. He even self-inserted himself as the most indefensible character in the flick.

>>214012494
I mean...yeah...

Not sure what else the takeaway is supposed to be here.

Sal relaxed and paid the price
Simple as

>>214011646
>>214011730
>>214012210
Spike is a fucking faggot and although there are some good explanations here, you're missing something.
Throughout the entire movie Sal is shown to be the nicest guy in the neighborhood. He's nice to the Mayor, Mookie's sister, he treats Mookie like a son and says he's part of the business too, the entire neighborhood rejects Buggin Out's plan to boycott Sal's. He also told his son not to have so much hate in heart and that he's proud that the people around him grew up on their food. What a great guy Sal is, right? Well, that's not how Spike sees it. When Radio Raheem comes in at the end with his music blasting Sal calls him the n-word out of fucking nowhere. Basically Spike is saying "Remember that really nice white guy? He's not. He thinks of you as the n-word no matter what he does or says".
Spike Lee is a shit director and a fraud.

>>214012601
Radio Raheem was a massive n-word, as you say. Or a massive nigger, as I'd put it.

>>214012640
>Radio Raheem was a massive n-word, as you say. Or a massive nigger, as I'd put it.
He was. But that's not the point. They spent the entire movie building up Sal as the "see, not all white guys are like that", only to say "psyche, they're all like that".

>>214012662
Maybe, but that shit didn't work on me, because I had been yelling NIGGER! NIGGER! at the tv whenever Radio Raheem appeared long before Sal did it.

>>214012601
>>214012662
and remember, calling a black man a bad word is worse than any crime they ever commit.

>>214012210
If empathy leads you to be wrong, then empathy is wrong. And overrated anyway.

>>214012601
he was just a race baiting asshole that knew critics would suck his dick.
Other black directors tried to get in on it but realized there's only so much room at the table.

I think Radio Raheem going into Sals and screaming like a lunatic is probably an example of a certain type of person : someone who’s intentions and heart is definitely in the right place and is 100% fighting for a good cause but unfortunately is going about it the wrong way. They were right Sal needed to honor the community if he wanted to be a part of it. What was so hard about hanging one black person photograph on the wall? But Radio Raheem didn't have the tools to get his point across in a reasonable way, because of systemic racism targeting black schools. The answer, as always, here, is that we need better schools y'all.

>>214012601
Yeah. The film isn't very good. Furthermore, it depicts blacks as dumb apes. Sal's reaction to the provocation at the end of the film is completely rational. He's just trying to lay down the rules in his own business, which he has done multiple times by that point. His reward for attempting to enforce rules on blacks is they try to murder him. Spike Lee is a dumb nig and lacks the ability to depict his people in any more favorable light. If he succeeds as a director it's only in depicting blacks as they are...

>>214012791
>They were right Sal needed to honor the community if he wanted to be a part of it. What was so hard about hanging one black person photograph on the wall?

Go into some black establishments and say that kind of shit to them. see how well that goes over

>>214012791
It was Sal's pizza shop. The movie makes the point over and over that blacks are simply too lazy to start their own businesses. The movie even makes the point that nobody in the neighborhood wants to boycott Sal's pizza shop over the fact that he doesn't have any non-italians on the wall.

>>214012819
>Go into some black establishments and say that kind of shit to them. see how well that goes over
Well, how many black establishments are there in white areas? I reckon not as much. White supremacy is still present and alive y'all. But if it were the case, wouldn't they have the right to be left unbothered about what they hang on their fucking walls after everything they have gone through? Maybe in a century or two when they finally have equal rights, then sure. I'll go and tell them to put some white faces on their walls, if they still refuse. But not before, no.

>>214012875
G8 B8 M8, I'll R8 it an 8.

>>214012875
this is some grade A bait

>>214012875
>when they finally have equal rights
What rights don't they have, apologist anon?

>>214012875
>White supremacy is still present and alive y'all.
Fuck off kike.

>>214012875
>we so oppressed we need double standards n sheeit

How many black establishments are there in white areas? What you really need to be asking yourself is how many black establishments there are in BLACK areas! The answer is almost none ,which is a question the movie addresses--and it's because black people just fucking suck. You suck more than Koreans and Italians and other ethnicities. That's why you don't own businesses in your own communities. Because you're all lazy pieces of shit.

>>214012960
This nigger isn’t even black he is just a master baiter

>>214012875
Is there anyone who still seriously believes this shit. Even black people don't take it seriously.

>>214012791
>They were right Sal needed to honor the community if he wanted to be a part of it.
Sal is part of the community. Radio Raheem, not so much.

>>214012791
>anon writes sarcastic post
>gets multiple serious replies
Sad.

Did anyone see Red Hook Summer? Does Mookie have a big part with the story continuing, or is it just a fan service cameo?

>>214012536
Same as always. Around blacks, don't relax

>>214011412 (OP)
someone here once said Spike Lee has a look on his face like hes being nagged by the ghost of a plantation owner that only he can see and I can't get it out of my mind every time i see him

>>214011412 (OP)
The unironic message is realizing you cared more for the restaurant building than the black person's life when the former burned down and the latter died.

>>214014793
But Radio Raheem was trying to murder Sal and then resisted the arrest.

>>214011646
>black people see chimpouts as a normal thing
this isn't some kind of own fyi

>>214012797
>The film isn't very good. Furthermore, it depicts blacks as dumb apes.
Pick one.

>>214014804
The message isn't that he shouldn't have died. The message is to reflect on how you care more about a building than a life. Usually you would say a life is more important than a building, but now you're thinking about how you made an exception and now continue on to what's actually important to you.

>>214011412 (OP)
The unironic lesson of this film is "around blacks never relax."
Sal relaxed and received the inevitable.

>>214014856
Is a picture on the wall more important than a life? Is being called a no-no word more important than a life?

>>214014856
Radio Raheem didn't value his own life.

>>214011412 (OP)
Da Mayor was sympathetic. He was flawed (made a kid buy him beer) but still likable and he saved the life of Sal and his sons.

being loud, inconsiderate, and violent is their culture tho

>>214014856
>Usually you would say a life is more important than a building
No, I wouldn't. It depends on the life and why the building is being destroyed. And, frankly, Radio Raheem's life was worth so little, if you had told me in advance that sacrificing Sal's store would mean killing Radio Raheem without anyone getting in legal trouble for it, I would have taken that deal immediately. Radio Raheem was a net negative. Dude was better dead.

>>214014912
>>214014919
Yeah. Most people who don't put any thought into it simply say life is more important than material possessions.
But then the movie gets you to feel different and from your emotional response you self reflect and realize there is more to it and you come to realize what your actual priority is. The pizza store had something that Raheems life didn't and that is what you value, not just life for life's sake.

>>214011412 (OP)
any other movies with comfy early 90s vibes like this?

>>214011646
no neo-nazi ever asked why Ed Norton had to curb stomp that nigger for trying to steal his truck

only niggers and commies

that scene where the director rubs ice cubes on the naked lady was pretty based

>>214014983
>No, I wouldn't
Well you've already put thought into the question it seems. A movie's message is going to fall flat if you've already received and contemplated it.
You clearly already have thought about abstract concepts and values that go beyond simple "life is important and value" platitudes. The movie's message is for those that haven't basically.

>>214011587
>a 40 ACRES and A MULE FILMWORKS production
wow that's epic
fuck off nigger

>>214012704
Of course. Saying the magic no no word sends them into a violent rage and their impulsive and aggressive behavior does prove that they are exactly what you called them despite what you might think. That's just their culture and it is superior to ours.

>>214014841
Great I can kill two birds in one throw.
NTA by the way...

The movie does not mean to portray nogs as nogs, it is just that there isn't anything favorable to say about them so it is just the camera depicting a reality. Nigger culture is trash and a movie about that is not entertaining, you get all you need to know about Basketball American culture out of a single /pol/ webm or the Worldstar Hiphop frontpage. Again, this was not meant to be a hit piece on niggers but by capturing the reality of niggers, the background the recognize and not attacking it you are accepting negores are only capable of so much and again, spike lee did not meant to capture this reality but rather he did not bother to showcase urban culture in a positive light or do what the jews do and try to portray them as amicable and relatable, he just captured it because he is another lazy negro.

Ultimately the movie needed an antagonist so they threw Sal under a bus to make a point, the point being is that you can be a decent or even good person but all of that is nullified if you call a nigger a nigger and that niggers are subhuman but also entitled to do whatever they want without accountability.

>>214014912
>Is being called a no-no word more important than a life?
You are talking about a culture in which you can take the life of a man if he stepped on your sneakers.
A culture that values trash but diminishes human life because niggers know their value tanked after the emancipation proclamation passed.

You genuinely have to worship black people to think Raheem wasn't at least partially at fault for his own death.

>>214015481
If this movie came out tomorrow, people would be comparing Raheem to George Floyd .

>Radio Raheem harasses Sal with his boombox
>Sal gets fed up and destroys said boombox
>Radio Raheem chimp outs and tries to murder Sal
>The cops intervenes and end up killing Sal who resists
>Mookie chimps out and breaks a window and all the blacks start rioting and destroying the pizzeria
All of this is perfectly fine. The blacks are clearly in the wrong, while you can still somewhat understand why they feel frustrated and angry. White people wouldn't have acted like that, of course, but blacks have no self control, so it's possible to understand where they are coming from, without condoning the retardation. When it gets weird is when Spike Lee talks about how we're supposed to root for the blacks destroying Sal's pizzeria because "private property shouldn't be worth more than a human life". But, nigga, Radio Raheem just tried to murder Sal because Sal broke his private property, the boombox.

>>214015736
Raheem's radio isn't meant to be just a radio though. It's straight up meant to represent his blackness. And how he has to "turn off" his blackness, or more accurately code switch when in the pizza parlor. So when Sal destroys the boom box he is attacking his blackness.

Now analyze every scene in this manner, and it makes him a lot more sympathetic. Again notice none of the black people take issue with his boom box. Indicating it might be about more than noise.

Okay so then Sal destroys the boom box, uses a racial epithet, and stands by while the cops strangle Raheem. Points towards the idea he never respected them for their blackness, he never respected them as individuals, only for their value provided as consumers.

You're lacking critical thinking.

>>214015831
>Raheem's radio isn't meant to be just a radio though. It's straight up meant to represent his blackness. And how he has to "turn off" his blackness, or more accurately code switch when in the pizza parlor. So when Sal destroys the boom box he is attacking his blackness.
yeah i understood that. can you understand if your culture is being represented as a loud boom box ruining the atmosphere of every place you go maybe your culture or 'blackness' isn't worth shit?

>>214015831
Or he could turn off the fucking boombox and be a human being.

>>214015831
>the idea he never respected them for their blackness

What kind of nonsense is this?

>>214011730
I think the pro-Mookie argument for the ending is that if he hadn't turned the crowd's attention onto wrecking the pizzeria they would've killed Sal instead

>>214015831
>Again notice none of the black people take issue with his boom box. Indicating it might be about more than noise.
reminds me of the chirp. truly black culture on display

>>214016099
I think that's how the movie works the best, but Spike Lee said, at least, that wasn't his intention. Mookie just chimped out because he got mad at Raheem getting killed and felt Sal needed to pay somehow.

>>214015831
A+

>>214011811
>Choking Raheem led to further chaos and destruction, which didn't help anyone
Ehhhh, in the short term, yes, sure. But in the long term, killing Raheem unironically must have saved a bunch of people from getting murdered by a sub 60 IQ violent nigger with no self control. But then again he most likely would have killed other niggers. It's like that Chinese proverb. You know the one.

Fact check: Sal's restaurant was owned by sal. It was located in USA, NOT africa. You don't have to respect loudness, rudeness, aggressive behavior

but yeah the cops were retarded and below civilized country standards

>>214012120
>a mup da doo biz nood
what? how the fuck is anyone supposed to understand that?

>>214016599
newfag

>>214016608
It's "bix", then. Do the right thing.

I fucking hate niggers.

>>214011412 (OP)
it's a moral test

if you get angry about the riots because they break inanimate objects as a protest for racism against living human beings
then it means you're a worthless consoomerist redditor

>>214016757
Maybe try and see it like this, you get a visible warning of their presence, and they have to live with it. Not so bad, huh?

>>214014429
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

>>214016888
That's not what poe's law means. That's about illegally sharing poetry

>>214012494
Their way of thinking is pretty simple: our tribalism. In any conflict with another group the black person is in the right, even if they did a drive through and shot a 5 year old in the head, the black guy did the right thing. That's all you need to know, and that's why as you said, dialogue is impossible because they have no "abstract" or "universal" sense of justice. Only what benefits the tribe, ie, black people as a whole.

>>214014856
>The message isn't that he shouldn't have died.
Then he shouldn't have tried to murder someone else and THEN pick a fight with Cops?

>>214016905
I wouldn't have thought about it like that but that makes a lot of sense. Explains everything
Picrel, reaction to OJ Simpson trial verdict.

>>214015831
>"blackness" equates to your ability to harass/annoy people in their own business

>>214016967
fuck

>>214016766
says the redditor lmao
go back

>>214016909
You think that means the message is he shouldn't have died?
Well I disagree. Shooting cops and acting the way he did made him deserve it. But you're a woke fag who probably has trouble understanding basic human decency so no point explaining

>>214015831
>he must respect their blackness
>they can't respèct his italianness

>>214017024
>è
I don't care what your point was. But it's over for you now

>>214014856
That building IS his life tho. What is destroying a small business going to do to fix racism? It only makes banks richer. It's a pretty retarded message, but, then again, this is a movie made by a wigger.

>>214011412 (OP)
>do the right thing
>move out of the black neighborhood

>>214016766
>racism against living human beings
Where?

>>214016977
>"blackness" equates to your ability to harass/annoy people in their own business
Correct.
>>214016905
>That's all you need to know, and that's why as you said, dialogue is impossible because they have no "abstract" or "universal" sense of justice. Only what benefits the tribe, ie, black people as a whole.
This is true but only in the most immediate sense. They don't care how it affects their future, only how it affects them in the moment.

>>214016901
Let's see, do I go with what Wikipedia says? Or what some brain-dead jackass on /tv/ claiming bullshit I've never heard before with no actual evidence says?

>>214017117
It's a joke about edgar allan poe. The fact you didn't get it doesn't invalidate the many uproarious laughs my other friends here produced from it. Please be nicer around here, it's a blue board buddy

>Shelton Jackson "Spike" Lee (born March 20, 1957
spike Lee is old, he is literally a Baby Boomer

>>214012601
I love that the Wayans brothers ended Spike Lee's career when Scary Movie broke box office records. Suddenly Spike couldn't blame wypipo for why his movies sucked.

Radio Raheem was meant to be a sort of symbol of innocence that chuds here conflate with their cliched views on blacks. He was literally on some Of Mice and Men shit. His dying was all but inevitable, and a harbinger of shit getting worse inmediately after.

>>214018708
As his fame fades, it seems like Do The Right Thing is the only Spike Lee film anyone continues to give a fuck about, and might be the only one he is remembered for in the future. Personally I always preferred Summer of Sam and Clockers. I particularly like the dilemma facing the dealer in Clockers: he has to admit the drugs the police found were his own and face the consequences, or let the blame lie on his innocent nerdy brother and leave him to be raped in jail for a couple of decades.

>>214019018
Did he stop making movies after that?

>>214019083
Didn't he also make Malcom X?

>>214019153
Yeah that was decent, but I would have preferred someone other than Denzel in the lead. Denzel is like the black Kevin Costner, very bland.

>>214019139
lmao, no
But all his movies go straight to streaming now. He's directed literally 60 movies since Clockers.

>>214019139
He had a remake of High to Low starring Denzel come out only like two weeks ago. It's called Highest 2 Lowest. I am not joking.

>>214016905
Shouldn't whites be likes this though? You know be more tribalist?

>>214016983
>>214016967
>Explains everything
>Picrel, reaction to OJ Simpson trial verdict

Fun fact: OJ's lawyer team found out, that black women were prejudiced against Simpson because he married a white women.

In Lee's Jungle Fever the black women are complaining how black men always prefer the lighter toned ones.

>>214019221
I remember hearing about that but I don't know how people reacted. Was it okay?

>>214019162
Really? I though Denzel really looked and acted like Malcom in the movie.

>>214019275
Whites, despite their history, were raised on universalist values. They engage with justice as a concept that applies to everyone. If a white man unjustly harmed a person from a different race they'd be generally condemned, because Whites are the only people who believe in the idea of "one race, the human race". This seemed so obvious that it wasn't contested, until we've crashed into the reality that we are alone in that. Asians (east and west), Africans, Americans (south and center) do not contemplate this. White tribalism is on the rise, that's all the alarmism that we hear about white supremacy. It's Whites realizing they are on their own and taking steps to protect their own interests. There are two outcomes; Whites become as tribalisric as any other race, or they are wiped out.

>>214011730
Black people are always victims, no exceptions.

>>214019988
Why is that clip flipping around like that

>>214019425
wtf are you talking about
white people invented dividing black and white into races

>>214020514
No. Genetics did that.

>>214020554
Nope, racial distinctions predate genetic research.

And when we finally advanced enough to look at the actual genes we found out that different black population have widely different genetics.
There are literally more genetic differences between different African populations than there are between Europeans and Indians:
https://academic.oup.com/genetics/article-abstract/161/1/269/6049925?redirectedFrom=fulltext

>>214020478
To avoid getting taken down from youtube.

>>214020761
They could have tossed a few Dutch angles in

>>214019988

>White person is proactively trying to fix things and resolve issues
>Black guy complains about the above but offers no alternative solution or even tries to help

This clip is racist

>>214020826
Reality has a racist bias.

>>214020927

Also the black guy is 100% certain that the people who will break the lights again (not might, will) are going to be black.

he got game was better commentary on the nigger trying to navigate niggerdom when the anglo/jew comes calling to exploit and blacks being self-destructive.

>>214020988
You know a woman wrote that scene because of how little sense it makes.

>>214020988
>not might, will
Because they do.

>>214014793
and?

>>214015831
see>>214013017

>>214016766
yep. I care more about my things that I worked and paid for than some animals who want to destroy it because they're selfish assholes.

not seeing the morality here but whatever. I guess "morality" to some people just means letting them do whatever they damn well please.

>>214019988
I understand the flipping but what the hell is with the barcode through the middle? the same reason?

>>214019078
>He was literally on some Of Mice and Men shit.
I don't think saying Radio Raheem was a murderous retard is a good defense

>>214020514
yeah you keep thinking that.

test

>>214021861
prove me wrong

>>214022118
>dere be no history before America. Whyt people invented slavery

>>214022382
says the retarded amerimutt who thinks slavery has to be about black and white racial classifications

>>214022382
Not slavery but chattel slavery they did invent

You know a week after the movie ends, everyone in the neighbourhood is now pissed that they can't get good pizza anymore. A month later, Mookie is still unemployed and gonna be homeless.

>Americans LITERALLY cannot fathom a movie with characters more complex than in a marvel movie
I don't get it. We're supposed to root for the villains??

>>214022660
Whats the difference?

>>214023250
It provides us with a way to keep jews out of it and continue using blacks as leverage

>Spike Lee says that anyone confused/angry over the restaurant being destroyed values property more than life
>The entire altercation started because the niggers thought they thought they could dictate property
Guys, I think we are going to need an alternate directors cut ending to fix this.

>>214022588
so then what were you babbling about? you think other civilizations didn't separate people into groups when conquering them?

>>214023009
they'll still blame whitey too! stupid fuckin apes. when can we just send them to the bottom of the ocean?

>>214023250
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

>>214023524
I'm talking about exactly what I said, dividing black and white people into two races was invented by white people.
Nothing more, nothing less.

>>214023573
and this was first done when?

>>214012235
Not really because every black perosn who watched the film understood exactly why things escalated the way they did, if you didn’t live in the hood or grow up seeing your home gentrified then you’ll just never understand why something looked as simple or minor blew up the way it did- but let’s jus say, the character who caused the strife and conflict is named is appropriately named “Buggin’ Out”-…so did Lee really think there was no nuance in what the black characters who participated in the riot did? Maybe you should rewatch the film again and REALLY pay attention to who was bothered and what led to Sal’s store being destroyed

>>214023657
>You just goota be black to understand why blacks acting like animals shouldn't be a considered wrong.

>>214023609
I don't think there's a clear answer there.

I'd point to Carl Linnaeus in the 18th century, who was probably the most influential one.
But there were other thinkers with somewhat similar classifications a century before.

>>214012601
I mean, how can you be mad at that? Black people every day live with the crushing doubt of their white comrades thinking of them as nothing more than a nigger- as unfair as it may sound, hearing it come out of the mouth of someone you love and respected brings a lot of out you/ rejection, betrayal, regret- all traumatic emotions that rooted into the black psyche due to years of trauma from within and outside of their community- Sal was pushed to a point, but you gotta remember things like him threatening buggin’ out with a bat, his racist son (that’s taught), people store things like this into their subconscious, once sal uttered that word the barrier of trust was broken and the black people went crazy-…if you think that’s wrong, fine.

But it doesn’t mean the film sucks or Lee is a bad writer, the film wouldn’t be discussed and used for lessons in schools to this day if it was bad, it’s a masterpiece- im not asking you to understand the black plight or even think it makes sense, but it wasn’t just a random chimp out like people think, they thought Sal saw them as family but really they may have just been customers…if money wasn’t involved would Sal really see them as people? The ending with Mookie’s wages may answer this question, but it’s rather ambiguous

Excellent film and should have won best picture

>>214023711
Yeah, if you grow up/live in a shithole you understand the mentality it breeds and why these places remain shitholes. The desperate opportunism that drives their instincts isn't genetic, it comes from being a bottom feeder since day 1.

>>214023766
>I don't think there's a clear answer there.
soooo source equals: my ass

>>214023711
No you but have to be illiterate to stop at the first sentence and repeat your nonsensical rhetoric

>>214023940
I gave you a specific person in history and a time frame.
I just don't see much point in including nobodies like Richard Bradley that might have done it a little earlier.

>>214024015
No, I read all your self excusing garbage.

>>214024050
because you just said you don't have a clear answer, you're making assumptions. there's no way you could know throughout ALL OF FUCKING HUMAN HISTORY! which is what you did.
Again, you really think other civilizations didn't separate people into groups when conquering them?
It was a stupid statement to make. let it go.

>>214011558
A core message of the Jewish system is that all black/non-White violence is justified, no matter what, due to "White supremacy."

>>214024096
Sure, I don't know if some retard wrote "europe = white race, africa = black race" on a napkin in the 14th century before throwing it away.
It also doesn't matter since it has zero influence.

>>214024201
you're right. you don't know.
So stop acting like you do know

>>214024284
Nigger, do you not get that this is a retarded standard?

>No you can't say Newton invented gravity, maybe some cavemen somewhere had the same idea but never wrote it down.

>>214023831
>his racist son (that’s taught)
>(that’s taught)

>>214023009
Mookie shows up in another of Lee's movies, still delivering Sal's pizzas. Sal moved to Redhook and cucked out on the wall.

>>214024332
Yes, making declarative statements like "white people invented segregation" is fucking stupid because there's no way to confirm something like that. anyone with common sense wouldn't say somethin retarded like "black people invented murder" but I guess you just had to get your hate on.

>>214024665
except I didn't do that
I very specifically said separating blacks and white into races and you just keep attacking a strawman.

heard about this movie a couple decades ago, glad /tv/ turned me away from it. i like italians as much as the next guy, but the only uppity negro i'll tolerate is my hot boss

>>214025034
separating blacks and white into races isn't segregation?

>>214011412 (OP)
no late 80s guinea from bensonhurst would ever dare dream of opening a pizzeria in bed stuy, that is the most unrealistic part of this film

>>214012640
Jannies will 3-day ban you for that word. I shit you not. You could me legitimately talking about how you wish JTT would have said it, the n-word, in the film adaptation of The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Huck, which was a shitty movie but not just because they didn't say that word. But, yes, jannies will 3-day ban you because 'racism outside of /b/' which is unheard of until very recently. I've been here since 2008. It's fucking dystopic.

>>214025160
Can you quote what I actually said at least once?
I clearly said INTO RACES. I never said anything about physically separating blacks and whites.
And no, saying black and white people are different races is not segregation.

>>214025311
Oh I see the problem, you're retarded.

>>214025400
what does that have to do with racial segregation?

>>214025702
first separating people in ANY kind of group is considered segregation, retard. where did I say racial segregation?

>>214020514
Actually, God did that.

>>214024051
It’s fictional, I didn’t raid a pizza shop

>>214025818
Is this really going to be your new cope?

Here's the direct quote
>separating blacks and white into races isn't segregation?
How can this mean anything other than racial segregation in this context?
Don't even try to pretend you meant to use the word in the most misleading context possible in a rarely used abstract sense. Come the fuck on.

>>214025951
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation

>>214026017
your new cope
No, my cope goes back to this >>214024096
and you dragging shit out for 30 more posts for some dumbass reason
let it fucking goooooooo

>>214025952
no, you'll just excuse the people who do, but only if they're black.

>>214026777
>No, my cope goes back to this >>214024096
All I see there is a retarded strawman, not anything actually engaging what I said.

>>214027295
>you're not letting me win so muh strawman.
you're just shopping for (you)s aren't you?

>>214012093
they were good cops. they saved a man's life

>>214012023
>>214012071
>honors AP class
>black kids
lmao. commie states like nj and california are trying to ban honors classes because they are always racially segregated. hell, NJ has mechanism for state investigation/control over schools where the majority of students pass standardized tests, but the black ones dont

>>214027503
Harrison Bergeron wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual.

>>214027348
Okay, then explain to me how is this is not a strawman:
>Again, you really think other civilizations didn't separate people into groups when conquering them?
as a reminder, my actual position
>white people invented dividing black and white into races

>>214027739
>as a reminder, my actual position
>>white people invented dividing black and white into races

and AGAIN, you yourself admit you can't know this for sure. YOU'RE ASSUMING. Where's the strawman?

AGAIN, You're making a statement that covers ALL OF HISTORY and deciding which race intended a concept. NO ONE ELSE could've came up with the concept of separating people by color into categories, YOU WERE THERE there whole time.

It's a stupid statement to make. It's one you can't possibly prove. THE END
Holy fuck!

>>214027903
>NO ONE ELSE could've came up with the concept of separating people by color into categories
You're doing it AGAIN
Why do you keep attacking a strawman?
I have never claimed white people "came up with the concept of separating people by color into categories"
Please learn to read. This is just sad.

>>214028078
I have never claimed white people "came up with the concept of separating people by color into categories"

>>214020514
>white people invented dividing black and white into races

aw fuck this
here's your (you)

>>214029048
How can you not see that those are different statements?

I deliberately specified black and white, I never said any kind of skin colors.
And I deliberately specified race, not any random category.

And you keep just removing those parts in your responses.
Stop doing that. It's neither what I meant nor what I said.

>>214029691
(you)

>>214024372
> Sal moved to Redhook
lol i love getting hammered in Redhook but hear it was super dangerous back in the day. Also funny that I have fucked a fair amount of white/asian cuties who now live in Bed-Stuy displacing these niggers. I always laugh at the KFC near the Bedford-Nostrand stop

>>214025255
good point

>>214029766
>just address what I actually said instead of your own head canon
>oh, this guy must be trolling for (you)s! what an unreasonable request

>>214029985
(you)

>>214020514
>white people invented dividing black and white into races
All races will find a way to divide themselves and create false superiority over the others. It's a very human thing that isn't limited to white people.
You could get 100 identical people in a room and they'd figure out who's right or left handed and start beating the shit out each other over that. We're dumb creatures.

>>214031584
>It's a very human thing that isn't limited to white people.
True, but this post was made in response to someone claiming that white people are an exception to this and don't do this.

>>214031659
How'd he go to the bathroom with all that shit on?

>>214015831
Yeah but he turns off the radio to speak to Mookie in the previous scene.

>>214011412 (OP)
it's a joint not a film or kino, or even a flick. you're not supposed to get anything from it, ask the low IQ director

>>214032893
where did he come up with the term joint?

>>214025302
>Jannies will 3-day ban you for that word. I shit you not
I've noticed a massive decline in them doing that since the doxxing. Maybe the guy who cared about doing that (Redwood) gave up?

>>214025302
I say nigger in every post I make and I haven't been banned. I guess I don't post very often thoughbeit

>>214033285
jannies don't read through every post, they just react to reports
so if you get banned for something like saying nigger you can be sure some seething faggot reported you because he didn't like your opinion or some other unrelated shit

>>214011646
>>214011730
Blacks aren't evem able to comprehend the existence of a future, of course the notion of consequence is impossible

>>214011646
nigs understand nigging. only whites don't. if whites DID understand nigging, we'd have them all hanging from lampposts

Spike Lee Joint? Is that like Italian for niggerizing a joint with PCP?

Spike Lee hates black people and every single one of his joints is about this.

>>214012791
Was Radio Raheem autistic?

>>214011412 (OP)
You are supposed to get angry or frustrated by everyone’s decision, yes.

>>214011558
The point of the last scene was how the tension and violence among those two ethnic groups was escalating to uncontrollable levels and how the anger of the black mob was being misdirected to the Italians when it wasn’t even their fault. At the end the tiny dude whose name i forgot decides to do the right thing by directing the hate and the anger toward something physical (the restaurant) instead of letting the angry mob kill his boss and the other guys. He tried to do the right thing, but the right thing ended up being just the least awful option and could have easily backfired. It’s nuanced, frustrating and not overly moralizing and that’s why this is the only move from spike lee that I like.

>>214015831
Boom box fatigue?