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Anonymous No.214018406 >>214018512 >>214018648 >>214018799 >>214018811 >>214018981 >>214019064 >>214019182 >>214019284 >>214019485 >>214019559 >>214019567 >>214019670 >>214019720 >>214019997 >>214020286 >>214020333 >>214020894 >>214021312 >>214022137 >>214022169
Why are landlords almost universally portrayed as lazy and unpleasant in television and film? You don't see any other occupation treated with this level of disrespect.
Anonymous No.214018512
>>214018406 (OP)
Of all the jobs that Hollywood liberals may have ever had, from soldier, to cop, to criminal, to scientist, landlord is the least likely. Furthermore, most were only ever renters, probably in some shitty apartment.
Anonymous No.214018568 >>214018653 >>214020894
because they usually are?

my current landlord is actually pleasant enough but he's also extremely lazy and only hires the cheapest most incompetent immigrants to do any renovation work when you actually get him to do anything
Anonymous No.214018648
>>214018406 (OP)
Owning stuff you charge people money to use while steadfastly refusing to honour even the miniscule committments you made in return is not a profession you fucking parasite-worshipping faggot. Be greatful the "rich people good" brainwashing is still effective enough to limit people to mockery, if a lot of us had our way you and your parasite families would be dragged out into the street and beaten to death with sledgehammers.
Anonymous No.214018653 >>214018682 >>214018717 >>214018733 >>214018779 >>214018815 >>214019109 >>214019365 >>214019736 >>214020894 >>214021165 >>214021361 >>214021655
>>214018568
what you fail to understand is that your landlord only barely makes a profit with your rent.
the idea that they rake in 6 figures and spend half a year on a yacht while their 20 tenants live in the slums is a fantasy.
your landlord is a business owner onto itself, he has overhead costs and people on payroll too who want money, people in an office that manage tenants, phone services, payroll service, general management, he needs to rent his own office space to employ these people who help him manage the apartments he owns.
then there's stuff like property taxes and regular legal counsel, before even things like actual property maintenance come into account, where he also has to hire and pay people to do it, if stuff breaks he has to buy and pay it himself, even basic shit like a water heater can cost 30k+ easily.

being a landlord, especially on a small-medium scale (2-20 apartments with tenants) is a miserable job, you will be busy 24/7 but make less money than some tech tard but have 100% of the risk, if some penniless tenant decides to trash your entire apartment it still takes months to evict them and you are looking at a 100k bill to repair the place
Anonymous No.214018682 >>214018712 >>214018716
>>214018653
>bawww I can't figure out a working business model, let's fuck over my renters instead
Anonymous No.214018712
>>214018682
you're lucky you will never own a home. be glad you only have to pay a monthly rent and have peace of mind from all the legal, insurance, tax and construction code bullshit that actual homeowners have to go through.
Anonymous No.214018716
>>214018682
Why do you think total rentals keeps going down? Landlords just sell the property to corps
Anonymous No.214018717 >>214018760
>>214018653
Being a landlord by profession is retarded anyway, and if you are, it's even less of my problem because it's literally your fucking only job to care for your tenants' apartments in exchange for their money.
Anonymous No.214018727 >>214018751
my parents sold their house in the early 2010s because renting was like 100 bucks cheaper than their mortgage at the time and now they are stuck renting and will never own a house because they can't save money because my dad is always buying retarded gadgets
Anonymous No.214018733
>>214018653
>think of the poor widdle landlords
If it doesnt pay and youre too lazy to deal with it sell the property for someone to buy instead of renting then retard
Anonymous No.214018751 >>214018846 >>214018886
>>214018727
But what did they do with the money they got from selling the house?
Anonymous No.214018760 >>214018786 >>214018788 >>214020661 >>214021893
>>214018717
>it's literally your fucking only job to care for your tenants' apartments in exchange for their money.
thats what they do, as a tenant, you don't even realize what kind of bullshit your landlord protects you from.
you never have to deal with property taxes, fire safety regulations, city water mainline regulations, mandatory appropriation funds for damages, zoning laws or insurance funds.
just pay your monthly rent and live in blissful ignorance, and call your landlord once a year when the water boiler acts up, and if it takes him a week to fix it, he is a monstrous capitalist who keeps you in chains!
Anonymous No.214018779
>>214018653
Rentpigs have zero concept of how much proper renovations with legit contractors costs. A small apartment kitchen alone is already more money than they'll ever have saved in their life.
Anonymous No.214018786 >>214018836
>>214018760
OH GOD I HAVE TO INSTALL SOME SMOKE ALARMS WOE IS ME
Anonymous No.214018788
>>214018760
As I said, not my fucking problem, but your choice.
Anonymous No.214018799
>>214018406 (OP)
>landlords
>occupation

Do kikes really believe that?
Anonymous No.214018811 >>214019383
>>214018406 (OP)
>I have a proper-
>* kills you'
>It's mine now bitch
Anonymous No.214018815
>>214018653
Every apartment I ever rented was managed by some administrative company who got a share of the rent, and those people are probably the least competent, laziest scum of the earth.
My actual landlords were usually nice people, though I barely interacted with them. But these shitty middlemen that supposedly take care of everything are without fault the worst.
Anonymous No.214018830
Most landlords are lazy and greedy. They do the bare minimum for upkeep on the property to avoid having it condemned by the city and raise rent as much as they can get away with.
>dilapidated 1 bed 1 bath where half the outlets don't work, no AC, no broadband internet hookup?
>uhhhh yeah that'll be $1700/mo goy, the location is real choice it's only 4 blocks from the bus stop!
Anonymous No.214018836 >>214018851 >>214018867 >>214019694
>>214018786
more like you pay a 6k fee to a city fire inspector every year just for him to show up at your property for 10 minutes and stamp some paper with a seal of approval.

and if they don't like you for whatever reason, you have to reinforce a hallway with a door (that costs 20k and the only company that manufactures them is owned by the nephew of the mayor) even though the old door was fine with safety standards the last 10 years
Anonymous No.214018846
>>214018751
Gadgets, nigga.
Anonymous No.214018851 >>214018890
>>214018836
Sounds like a (You) problem, also you're lying.
Anonymous No.214018867 >>214018928
>>214018836
sounds like some citycuck shit

I live in a rural area and my landlord is some asshole from the big city who never even shows up here
Anonymous No.214018881 >>214018916 >>214018965 >>214019904 >>214021881
Apparently some city in the netherlands banned landlords (banned people from purchasing rental properties) and it didn't work out. It raised the price of rent, which killed rental housing for lower income people, while those people still could not afford to buy a house.

You're welcome. Rent's due.
Anonymous No.214018886 >>214018930
>>214018751
dad bought a crazy gadget that scoops macaroni but if just flung it and it all went behind the tv and maggots and bugs started appearing. he also bought a gadget that can heat up drinks but it didnt work. would you like to know more?
Anonymous No.214018890
>>214018851
nigger just look up how the fire inspection codes change with every election because the main business model of every government is to siphon money out of the people's pockets. they always want their pound of flesh.
dealing with this shit costs money, it always does. and a tenant has peace of mind because they only have to pay rent and not bother with this shit at all.
Anonymous No.214018916 >>214018962 >>214019773
>>214018881
Yeah, I need a source on this.
If it played out like I would expect it to (banning private house owners and just shoving everything to "facility management" companies), yeah no shit everything would get worse.
Anonymous No.214018928
>>214018867
rural property owners have similar problems as well, the regulations are just different in detail.
less focus on fire hazards (if it's seperated lots) and more focus on wastewater treatment, plumbing, and roads and electricity connections.
the money gets stolen out of the landlords pockets all the same, it will just be a different government bureaucrat
Anonymous No.214018930 >>214018955 >>214019095
>>214018886
>would you like to know more?
Did he buy a Juicero?
Anonymous No.214018955 >>214019095 >>214021069
>>214018930
no, but he bought a gadget that blended liquids and solids that was supposed to basically be a blender and he put uncracked walnuts in it and it smashed the cup thing that you put the stuff in. would you like to know more?
Anonymous No.214018962 >>214019147 >>214019413 >>214019431 >>214021881 >>214022046
>>214018916
https://www.inman.com/2023/06/20/the-netherlands-let-cities-ban-landlords-heres-what-happened/

>Independent landlords may have a positive impact on the people who live in neighborhoods and may not drive up the cost of housing, according to a new study that’s being lauded by housing experts as proof that supply and demand apply to housing.
>More than a year after the policy went into effect, researchers found an increase in first-time homebuyers. But the bans didn’t help to lower the price of rent. In fact, the policy may have had the opposite effect and led to gentrification in neighborhoods, the researchers said.
>The bans led to a 4 percent increase in the price of rent, which Korevaar called “significant.” The change on home sales prices was “effectively zero,” one of the researchers, Matthijs Korevaar, said.

No idea how legit this random web blog is, but I found like three other sources that say the same thing. This website just had the most digestible version.
Anonymous No.214018965 >>214018995 >>214019008 >>214019108
>>214018881
That's so typically European. Want to help people but all you know how to do is pass sweeping legislation to ban shit. America figured out how to increase homeownership in the 20th century: the government subsidizes new home construction so the houses can be sold to first time homebuyers for cheap. These houses aren't luxurious or massive, but they'd be cheap, easily affordable for even a working class man.

You could achieve almost the same thing today by criminalizing corporate-owned rental homes forcing those corporations to sell their properties on auction to the state who then turns around and sells them for cheap to first time home buyers.
Anonymous No.214018981
>>214018406 (OP)
Rentcels seething the thread
Anonymous No.214018995 >>214019595
>>214018965
I'm so pissed there are basically no "first time home owner" benefits any more. All fucking gone. The only thing I found was "YOU CAN PUT AS LITTLE AS 3% DOWN!" Fuck that shit, then your mortgage payment is like 2800 a month.
Anonymous No.214019008 >>214019051 >>214019108
>>214018965
>You could achieve almost the same thing today by criminalizing corporate-owned rental homes forcing those corporations to sell their properties on auction to the state who then turns around and sells them for cheap to first time home buyers.
This is something I have actually been proposing.


However, you can barely compare housing the US with housing in Europe because of the population density. In Europe there simply isn't much room left anymore, lest we cut down all those last forests we still have.
Anonymous No.214019047
All tenants and landlords are scum, this is why people trash up bnbs and rentals
Just live in your car, you do know how to drive right?
Anonymous No.214019051
>>214019008
>In Europe there simply isn't much room left anymore,
reminder that 10-15% of all apartments are empty in most european cities. building space is never the issue, but mismanagement and refusal to use the property already available.

and even IF some cities are tight with buildable area, you can always build highrises or joined homes
Anonymous No.214019064
>>214018406 (OP)
>lazy and unpleasant
Because 99% of the time anywhere in the world, they are.
Anonymous No.214019095
>>214018930
can you respond to this? >>214018955
i have a lot to say. please reply with yes or no
Anonymous No.214019108 >>214019183 >>214019185 >>214019317 >>214019465 >>214020881
>>214018965
>>214019008
Explain why corporate ownership of rental properties is bad without sounding like an economically illiterate retard. A boomer with 2 rental properties operates under the exact same incentive structure as a corporation with 2000.
Anonymous No.214019109 >>214019549
>>214018653
I’ve been seeing commercials for an app called turbotenant and the premise is that that’s exactly how landlords behave and the app allows them to enjoy their yachts without having to deal with renter minutiae
Anonymous No.214019147
>>214018962
It seems to refer to this https://www.eur.nl/en/news/investor-ban-boosts-homeownership-without-hurting-housing-prices

It doesn't ban landlords, it bans people renting out a building for the first four years after buying it to stop outside investors buying up everything.
Anonymous No.214019182
>>214018406 (OP)
It's not a US thing, it's universal, and most are lazy and unpleasant.
Anonymous No.214019183 >>214019381
>>214019108
>operates under the exact same incentive structure
they really dont. overhead costs dont scale with every appartment you own. the sweetspot is probably around 50 where you as a landlord can still make good money from it, while keeping your costs manageable while still maintaining a fair and direct relationship with your tenants.

when it scales into the thousands, those apartments become assets to you instead of actual things that provide a home for people. you will try to cut costs even more by throwing your own weight around in municipal legislation, keep the administration staff as low as possible, and when you start to bring in shareholders, the imagined value of your owned property becomes more important to your business than the actual value they provide. large corpos have more ways to cheat the system and work around those incentives
Anonymous No.214019185 >>214019381
>>214019108
>A boomer with 2 rental properties operates under the exact same incentive structure as a corporation with 2000.
No, it doesn't.
A lone boomer doesn't need to squeeze his renters to get better numbers in the next quarter and please his shareholders.
And the boomer is probably more invested in his two little buildings and less likely to just sell it off after he runs it into the ground, and he is also less likely to engage in legal fuckery since he doesn't have corporate lawyers on retainer.
Anonymous No.214019284
>>214018406 (OP)
You'll get your answer when you FIX THIS DAMN DOOR!
Anonymous No.214019317 >>214019403
>>214019108
Land belongs to the people; property titles are just papers that we legally validate because it benefits society and the economy. That is why the concept of expropriation exists. When a plot is declared buildable, society’s goal is for people to live there. The goal of a company that owns thousands of properties, however, is to maximize profit, and if it suits them, they may keep homes empty to raise prices or pursue whatever benefits them. Ensuring access to housing must be a right (not to be confused with giving away free houses to everyone).
Anonymous No.214019365
>>214018653
>Sign a contract promising you'd be responsible for proper and timely maintenance of the property and for repairs when necessary
>Keep delaying said upkeep, then crying and seething about muh costs when the property starts falling apart due to lack of upkeep
You make a fucking deal, if you don't want to keep it then just fucking sell the place.
>But I can't get full value out of a sale because it's way behind on upkeep
And guess whose fault that is.
Anonymous No.214019381
>>214019183
>the sweetspot is probably around 50
Why would a landlord stop making "good money" past this sweet spot?
>while keeping your costs manageable
Why would costs stop being manageable past 50?
>you will try to cut costs
Why would single-rental owners not try to cut costs?
>the imagined value of your owned property becomes more important to your business than the actual value they provide
EVERY property investor is buying for capital gains. It would be a dogshit investment otherwise.
>>214019185
>the average single rental owner will be a heckin wholesome chungus and give the tenants loads of financial concessions that they don't have to give because... they just will
Sounds like the corporate owners will be facing an exodus of tenants to these kindly single rental owners, and will need to improve their service to compete.
Anonymous No.214019383
>>214018811
Now you're in jail.
Anonymous No.214019403 >>214019465
>>214019317
>The goal of a company that owns thousands of properties, however, is to maximize profit
The goal of individuals who own rental properties is also to maximize profit.
>blah blah blah muh human rights
Declaring a finite resource a human right doesn't make it any more abundant or accessible.
Anonymous No.214019413
>>214018962
>as proof that supply and demand apply to housing.
That could be the case, but they're barely building new houses in the Netherlands , while the population is still growing. So the supply remains small, demand high, and there being landlords or no has no impact on that at all
Anonymous No.214019431
>>214018962
>Ban people from buying property just to rent
>Money grubbing landlords start raising rent and get away with it because of less competition
>See goy! You need us landlords!
Really showed me
Anonymous No.214019464 >>214019537
I get that this a bait thread but it is unironixally funny to see people getting mad at someone providing a service
Anonymous No.214019465 >>214019643
>>214019108
a business is incentivized to prioritize profits above all else and because of the difficulty of bringing to bear justified complains and non-fulfillment of the terms of contracts within the justice system because of the broad expenses of the legal process, all companies are given no pause or pushback when their profit maximizing efforts extend to home quality

because housing is a necessity like food or water is, there is essentially no lower limit to the threshold by which a house will fall out of the market provided that there are no other options
that is, unless the house is dangerous enough that it has to be condemned (extreme shortages completely remove this stipulation) people will live there and pay no matter what to live there as long as there are no other possible options
this leads to the problem that many renters experience where a landlord can ignore maintenance on the property to a significantly greater extent than a private owner would and people will have no other choice than to continue living there

as a result, unless the company/private individual starts getting on the radar of law enforcement for reasons other than scamming a few renters, bad behavior in this respect is unlikely to go unpunished and landlords can continue to act in whichever status quo they had been experiencing regardless of any complaints
>>214019403
it confers upon that resource certain guarantees and protections that make it more reasonably accessible and equitable for the population
you have no human right to water but you would start complaining heavily if all of your local sources stopped treating natural water sources or stopped disposing of waste water in proper ways or decided to suddenly price fix the value of local water to above what you could reasonably afford
Anonymous No.214019485
>>214018406 (OP)
I have had exactly one good landlord in my life. The rest have been cheap, greedy scumbags. For example my current home recently had a serious electrical fault which nearly resulted in a fire. They flat out refused to send a licensed electrician, and instead sent some incompetent 'handyman' sack of shit. I ended up having to figure out and repair the problem myself after he essentially just gave up after three or four visits. It wasn't especially expensive for me, just time consuming and frustrating given the amount I pay.
Anonymous No.214019520 >>214019565 >>214019664 >>214019796 >>214022082
>I HATE LANDLORDS BECAUSE THEY BUY UP HOUSES AND INFLATE THE PRICES!
>fine, I'll lower the price of the house, can you afford 300k
>NO
>Can you afford 100k?
>NO
>can you come up with a downpayment of 200 bucks?
>NO, I'M 45K IN KLARNA DEBT, 200K IN STUDENT LOAN DEBT, AND I HAVE TO HAVE MY DAILY STARBUCKS!
>don't you think renting a house would be a better arrangement for you
>FUCKING LANDLEECH, YOU ARE SCUM!
Anonymous No.214019537
>>214019464
>NOOO NETFLIX IS PROVIDING A SERVICE YOU CAN'T CALL IT SHIT
That's a weird logic.
Anonymous No.214019549
>>214019109
Sounds no different to any other service company. They are even more shameless in doing no work (it is where the profit comes from in their business model), but will take the landlords money and insulate him from the tenants who are getting fucked over.
Anonymous No.214019559 >>214019589 >>214019601
>>214018406 (OP)
The problem with that meme is that "pay me the full amount" is not how landlords do it, half of them have a mortgage on those properties and charge a shitlosd extra to "maintain" it but you gain zero equity.
Nothing wrong with it, but when you also control all the zoning boards and all you boomers jerk each other off, we can't have new homes built, and boomer landlords vote against it because muh property values.
Either ban zoning boards or ban rental property investments. You can't have both and a free market.
Also I wanted to buy a fucking manufactured home and these cocksuckers wanted a fucking 458 dollar a month HoA fee for lot rent. That shit is predatory beyond belief. The local govts should be banned from approving zoning for scams like that. At least with an apartment all you lose is a security deposit at worst.

Landlords aren't the problem. Zoning boards and Blackrock with negative interest loans from 2020, are.
Anonymous No.214019565
>>214019520
excellent strawman anon
I hear you have a boxing match against a shadow coming up, im rooting for you
Anonymous No.214019567 >>214019683
>>214018406 (OP)
picked up some rentals down south. sellers weren’t exactly hedge fund types…handed the deeds over like they were swapping a tractor battery. everything is dirt cheap because the entire economy revolves around the corner store and corn.

first week I asked where the nearest art gallery was and they looked at me like I’d grown horns. every time I bump rent $50 they hit me with “much obliged” and thank me for fixing a screened porch.

truth is you can live like a god down there …pennies on the dollar compared to NY or CA.
Anonymous No.214019589
>>214019559
>The problem with that meme is that "pay me the full amount" is not how landlords do it
You pay the previous owner the full amount, even if 95% of the money you are paying with comes from a mortgage. And they use 80% of that money you paid them to pay off the mortgage they had taken out themselves.
Anonymous No.214019595 >>214019634
>>214018995
but there are plenty of down payment assistance programs...if your brown
Anonymous No.214019601
>>214019559
overzealous zoning is a result of American white supremacist redlining

gotta keep those darkies out, who cares if we fuck over poor whites in the process
Anonymous No.214019634 >>214019655
>>214019595
You mean ones that actually give you a "grant" or ones that just lower your required downpayment?

I did a lot of research, I didn't find anything other than downpayment lowering. But houses are too pricey for that
Anonymous No.214019643 >>214020218 >>214020298
>>214019465
>a business is incentivized to prioritize profits above all else
So is an individual investor.
>like food
So should we also ban company-owned farms, supermarkets and anything larger than mom-and-pop grocery stores, because individuals are magically better at running these things?
>because of the difficulty of bringing to bear justified complains and non-fulfillment of the terms of contracts within the justice system because of the broad expenses of the legal process
Assuming this is true and correct you are still just describing a flaw of the legal system, not the market.
>provided that there are no other options
So your problem is a lack of competition, and your solution is to ban competition.
Anonymous No.214019655
>>214019634
they pay the downpayment and in my state its up to like 120k and you dont owe anything until you sell or pay off the mortgage
basically they just take a chunk of the equity but remember only if you are brown
Anonymous No.214019664
>>214019520
>Alright let's make a deal then. I pay you a certain amount of money every month, but because it remains your property you're responsible for upkeep and repairs
>Okay I accept those terms, here's the contract
>Oh I notice the warm water doesn't work, could you get that fixed?
>*autistic screeching*
Anonymous No.214019670 >>214019755
>>214018406 (OP)
Anonymous No.214019683
>>214019567
>this queer actually frequents art galleries
Anonymous No.214019694
>>214018836
You only have to do that because you’re renting.
Anonymous No.214019720 >>214019815
>>214018406 (OP)
>Why are mostly lazy and unpleasant people almost universally portrayed as lazy and unpleasant in television and film
Anonymous No.214019736 >>214020086
>>214018653
I don't disagree that being a landlord actually requires real work on top of taking a big risk with investing in the property itself, the issue is that when you have loads of landlords (and now, massive property management companies buying up single family homes too) the inventory of housing gets reduced and the price of housing becomes unattainable for most people. Not to mention new builds are fucking shart quality because laborers nowadays are imported brownoid scum.

Landlording should be strictly apartment buildings and even then, housing cooperatives are a far more ethical option. But that's communism!!!!1
Anonymous No.214019754
commies really are the other side of the incel chud coin
no wonder you faggots are obsessed with le ebil nazis you want your chuddie soulmate kiss
Anonymous No.214019755
>>214019670
>this is what boomers believe
Anonymous No.214019773
>>214018916
>everything would get worse.
We call that 'EU'
Anonymous No.214019796
>>214019520
I am silly
Anonymous No.214019815 >>214020199
>>214019720
You talk about poor people.
Anonymous No.214019904 >>214019969 >>214020004 >>214021881
>>214018881
I actually live there and what happens is that the landlord play the long game and keep the houses themselves instead of selling them (which was the intention of the law) so that the scarcity got even worse. Then they point at it and go "see, it doesn't work, let us go back to what we're doing!".
Anonymous No.214019969 >>214020051
>>214019904
How is that even possible? I was assired that Europe is glorious democratic socialism and everything is for free, and cavemen Americans need to immediately copy everything it does (except for voting ID laws)
Anonymous No.214019997 >>214020139
>>214018406 (OP)
If you don’t own land you’re dumber than a dummy.
Anonymous No.214020004 >>214020112
>>214019904
>retarded law comes in
>has negative consequences
>"this is why we need more retarded laws"
Anonymous No.214020051
>>214019969
Housing market has been liberalized since 2009 here.
Anonymous No.214020086
>>214019736
>Landlording should be strictly apartment buildings and even then, housing cooperatives are a far more ethical option.
Local homeowners often boycott apartment allocations in their area (based). Apartments can't be everywhere to meet demand.
Anonymous No.214020112
>>214020004
The law is fine, but the rich people who would negatively affect it spited it and bent the law so much that it actually turned out worse. It would fix itself if the government kept it up but they lost the chicken game.
Anonymous No.214020139
>>214019997
You can't own land. You can only rent it from your government in exchange for property taxes.
Anonymous No.214020199
>>214019815
And also landlords.
Anonymous No.214020218 >>214020259 >>214020626
>>214019643
I have listed the failures of the system and provided no solutions in the prior post, dont put words in my mouth
the solution to any industry where there is corruption or grift is to make those who violate decent and consumer friendly conduct reasonably afraid of the consequences

the current options for a person who has a landlord which has been negligent towards the property or towards the terms of the renting agreement is to take the landlord to court, the costs of doing so significantly outweighs the value of nearly any potential gain resulting from the fixing of whichever violation caused the dispute, and the renter would almost certainly recieve pressure to leave the property as a result of doing so, at the very least the agreement would not be renewed which means that all the renter did is buy themselves a few months of a slightly better living arrangement before having to go back to the market again
this is a losing option for both parties, the only thing the tenant can expect should he even win is that the other party loses harder

there are no ways to ensure that the dominant party remains honest under the current system because there exists no way to ensure that such small contracts are frequently enforced because there are no enforcement systems in place which are commencerate to the scale of the system on the individual level
as for solutions go, I have a few ideas but none of them are very good, all are subject to quite easy exploitations to the same effect and level that current crony landlordism as an enterprise experiences, the only really effective option is to just have good landlords but thats not really saying anything at all
Rich Landlord No.214020259
>>214020218
I don’t speak lil money.
Anonymous No.214020286
>>214018406 (OP)
i am a landlord, but i just rent my old apartment to two decent young white guys. the place is fully furnished and i charge several hundred dollars below market average so i barely break even on it, but nobody is helping young white guys in any way and society is, in fact, set up against us currently, so i do what i can for them.
Anonymous No.214020298
>>214019643
>a business is incentivized to prioritize profits above all else
>So is an individual investor.
an individual investor has to worry about the 'all else' signficantly more than a company does, the company can absorb losses and manages less risk overall because of the scale of the enterprise
should an individual decide to take legal action, the case of the landlord with private ownership of his properties has a much smaller war chest with which to perform legal action and signficantly more impacted by the consequences of such, should he be found culpable or even in regards to the time investment involved, the individual is incentivized to remain civil in his dealings solely because he probably couldnt afford to absorb the impacts of a loss in court should a renter decide to be brave in proceedings

>like food
>So should we also ban company-owned farms, supermarkets and anything larger than mom-and-pop grocery stores, because individuals are magically better at running these things?
the FDA provides quality guarantees for food, as the EPA provides certain water guaranties, these are government agencies and subject to the failures and limitations therein (not particularly great at fulfilling these guaranties), as far as I am aware there has never been a complete food supply chain collapse in modern US history if at any time ever, should something like this occur I would expect to see something like wartime rationing
further, there hasnt been an instance where it was totally impossible to continue to afford some level of foodstuffs, and for situations where there is such poverty that it has become difficult to buy food the government has food security programs, there are no home security programs

this point you've brought up is neither here nor there, the problem isnt rent prices or availability which are the only analogues to your food analogy, its about the fair treatment of the contract and of the terms of said contract
2/
Anonymous No.214020333 >>214020376 >>214020655
>>214018406 (OP)
i'm going to buy all the water available in all the stores. want water? pay me three times as much as i paid, and i'll give you water. mad? try having more money, loser.
Anonymous No.214020376
>>214020333
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GceNsojnMf0
Anonymous No.214020394 >>214020676 >>214021993
*solves the unaffordable rent problem*
Anonymous No.214020622
>Why are landlords almost universally portrayed as lazy and unpleasant in television and film?
That's simple, things always look easier on the outside. That said, there are tons of shitty landlords out there.
Anonymous No.214020626 >>214020881
>>214020218
The thread of argument was specifically about the idea of banning corporate ownership of rental properties as an effective solution to the current state of the rental market. If you're not committing to that or committing to anything more specific than "system need be better" then whatever, that's not interesting or worth actively disagreeing with.
Anonymous No.214020655
>>214020333
You seem to understand the rules.
You simply do not play the game well.
Anonymous No.214020661
>>214018760

>implying my place is up to code
Anonymous No.214020676 >>214020710 >>214021051 >>214021614
>>214020394
American's really don't have things like this? 3rd world
Anonymous No.214020710 >>214020900
>>214020676
No, if you don't live in a suburb in a big house made out of wood chips and glue where you have to drive two hours to work, you're a commie.
Anonymous No.214020867
Leftism is a mental illness. That's all I can say after reading this thread.
Anonymous No.214020881
>>214019108
>Explain why corporate ownership of rental properties is bad
>>214020626
this is what the thread of discussion was about, I explained why its bad
the company can mitigate the risks of the business easily and the only risks there are once the initial costs of setting up the enterprise are absorbed are related to operation costs and insurance
the primary way to reduce operation costs are to cut corners and delay maintenance (true of every single industry)
and there exists no easy way for a tenant to redress the failures of the landlord in regards to these things so the company has no incentive to remain faithful to the terms of the contract

I am sorry that I didnt just give you a silver bullet solution off the top of my dome, as if anyone in the world had that ready and in the chamber
you wanted to know the problems, there they are
Anonymous No.214020894 >>214020929 >>214021395
>>214018406 (OP)
>>214018568
>>214018653
The issue with landlords isn't their position or profession. It's just that they're the first to cave in when inflation and gentrification start to prop up in cities. If a neighbourhood starts to attract businesses and wealthy families, landlords immediately raise their prices to stay competitive. This creates a cascade effect where rents get progressively more and more absurd, without the actual value of the space being rented increasing
Anonymous No.214020900
>>214020710
Yes. Enjoy your asbestostos filled socialist shoebox.
Anonymous No.214020929 >>214020976 >>214021013
>>214020894
>Neighborhood attracts businesses and wealthy families
>without the actual value of the space being rented increasing
Contradiction.
Anonymous No.214020976 >>214021013 >>214021057 >>214021439
>>214020929
>without the actual value of the space being rented increasing
Apartment I used to live in 12 years ago is 3x the price with absolutely no changes.
Anonymous No.214021013
>>214020929
lmao
refer to >>214020976
this is a rampant epidemic, at least where I live (milan italy)
Apartments costs are inhumane
Anonymous No.214021022 >>214021212
Landlords are "bad" because the lifetime renter class is even worse. You have no idea
Anonymous No.214021051
>>214020676
>American's really don't have things like this? 3rd world

I like how you defined a lack of 3rd world commie blocks as "3rd world"

retard
Anonymous No.214021057 >>214021326
>>214020976
yeah but now you have access to overpriced coffee and luxury retailers, that justifies the increasing cost
wealth operates via an osmotic principle, didn't you know
Anonymous No.214021069
>>214018955
Yes
Anonymous No.214021165 >>214021340
>>214018653
One of my landlords was a borderline retarded 30-year-old who used his parents money to buy "his" properties, I made a post trashing him on reddit and now it'll forever be the first thing that comes up when you search his name and he's still poor enough to need a day job as a "logistics analyst" KEK I hope all landlords burn in hell
Anonymous No.214021212 >>214021440
>>214021022
Yeah, poor people are the worst.
Why don't they just use daddy's money to buy a house like me?
Fucking losers.
Anonymous No.214021312 >>214021725
>>214018406 (OP)
Like with most things, hate against landlords (like with the rich) just comes from jealousy and envy. Life is inherently unfair yet people generally do not cry and moan that some people are born super attractive (and therefore just get to live life on easy mode) that some people are born super smart, that some are born with great singing voices or athleticism BUT God forbid someone be born into money. Then they are just Satan incarnate.

Anyway, people hate landlords because they are the first link in the chain that they interact with when it comes to the insane cost of rent these days. But the real problem is the politicians who are enacting red tape laws that make building new properties more expensive and who are letting in so many foreigners that are bumping up rent costs. Of course since most normies are retarded and cannot see further than what's right in front of them, they say the landlords are the greedy ones charging high rent.
Anonymous No.214021326
>>214021057
>now you have access to overpriced coffee and luxury retailers,

No, literally nothing changed, that is just market price. 'Gentrification' would be welcomed change. My house is 17x the price it was in 1992, with basic maintenance.
Anonymous No.214021340
>>214021165
>I made a post trashing him on reddit
Is this you?
Anonymous No.214021361
>>214018653
Maybe they should sell up and get a better job?
Anonymous No.214021395
>>214020894
so if demand increases... prices rise?!?
damn, why are landlords like this bros?
Anonymous No.214021439
>>214020976
The dollar has lost 3x its value.
Anonymous No.214021440 >>214021467
>>214021212
i have a m8 who's really into this "stop complaining things are expensive, just get a better job" boomer nonsense. he does have a good job and works hard and is frugal as hell too, but he doesn't seem to notice he's lived the last 10 years in a studio apartment owned by his folks without paying rent which let him save tons, and when he got a gf and was ready to move out and buy his own place, they sold the studio and gave him a third of the price (he has a sister) which is how he was able to afford it.

so he
>was born in an affluent city and didn't need to move out to find a job
>didn't need to pay rent for a decade
>received tens of thousands from his parents selling property which they bought with inheritance money

but thinks it was because of his job and buying cheap groceries that he was able to afford to get his own place.
Anonymous No.214021467 >>214021513
>>214021440
>stop complaining things are expensive, just get a better job
This isn't asolution to structural issues but it really does work on the individual level. Any individual except the very rich ould easily increase their income by 50% if they just tried. Going from $40k/yr to $60k/yr is really not hard.
Anonymous No.214021513 >>214021644 >>214021740
>>214021467
They'd be sacrificing their health or their real life to do that. They might be able to make more for a year or two, but without their health and support from family or community they'd have to cut it back even more than how they started.

We already have a crisis throughout the whole western world in people neglecting their health and family and community to make more money.
Anonymous No.214021593
My 7 year old is more in tune with the real world than current year leftists who live entirely in some fantasy world. No wonder all of them are on SSRIs. The cognitive dissonance must be hellish.
Anonymous No.214021614
>>214020676
lol this looks like the wire
Anonymous No.214021644 >>214021700
>>214021513
You just apply to jobs lmfao
Anonymous No.214021655
>>214018653
>Profit with your rent.
Uhhh they are sitting on an asset that basically doubles in value every fucking decade that essentially they don't have to pay a fucking penny for and in many cases, the Government outright covers any losses they incur.
It doesn't help that most landlords are scummy pieces of shit who don't fucking do any repairs and if they do, they hire the most cheap refugee labourers they can to do it, who just fuck it up even more. Literally have not been able to use 1/3rd of my apartment for 2 fucking years because of my asshole landlord refusing the fix a half fucking completed repair job, and the fucker still increases rent every year by 200.
Anonymous No.214021700 >>214021733 >>214021741
>>214021644
Anon was saying that people with full time jobs should just work even more, implying that would be sustainable or even a net benefit over the long term.

Anyone who really can do that for any serious length of time would have a lot of support from family and community to do it, or they're still young enough that their health hasn't already been wrecked by the full time job they already have. It's just not something that can happen in our current society.
Anonymous No.214021725 >>214021757 >>214021788
>>214021312
>make building new properties more expensive and who are letting in so many foreigners that are bumping up rent costs. Of course since most normies are retarded and cannot see further than what's right in front of them, they say the landlords are the greedy ones charging high rent.
Here in the UK, housing builds have actually kept up with population growth.
The issue is that fucking landlords keep buying up all the properties, hold onto them as speculation, while acting like a cartel to increase rents.
This is why frankly, there should be be a legal limit on how many homes are allowed to be buy to rent.
Anonymous No.214021733 >>214021850
>>214021700
Americans have that weird belief that doing lots of unpaid overtime will get them a big promotion and career instead of just inviting management to get even more free work out of them.
Anonymous No.214021740 >>214021788
>>214021513
>family and community
You are part of neither.
Anonymous No.214021741
>>214021700
It depends on industry. IT is a job you can easily jump between startup and startup and rapidly boost your way into 6 figures. But most jobs aren't like this.
Anonymous No.214021757 >>214021875
>>214021725
the problem in the UK is that it doesn't have property taxes, so it doesn't cost you anything to sit on your property forever
Anonymous No.214021788 >>214021819
>>214021725
>This is why frankly, there should be be a legal limit on how many homes are allowed to be buy to rent.

All that is needed is a land value tax where any citizen is allowed to own (for example) ten properties before they have to pay any of it.

>>214021740
That's the point anon. A person can't become part of those things while also earning enough money to survive. And if they're not earning money at all or if they're not earning enough, they also can't become part of them. That's the capitalist system.
Anonymous No.214021819 >>214021859
>>214021788
I knew I talk with some retarded leftgroid. Your kind literally cannot not self-report.
Anonymous No.214021822
>tfw 35 and own my own house (mortgage paid off) worth $300k
Anonymous No.214021850
>>214021733
I got 2 promotions that way but the OT was paid
Anonymous No.214021859 >>214021908
>>214021819
>supports family and community values
>must be a leftgroid
Anonymous No.214021875
>>214021757
Also don't have to pay deposit, so you can literally just claim you want to buy a home, take it off the market and fluff around for a year and go "nah changed my mind".
Anonymous No.214021881
>>214018881
>>214018962
the mechanism is that if the "price to rent" ratio goes too high renting becomes attractive, if it goes too low renting becomes unattractive
but many poor people are disproportionately exposed to renting because they may not qualify for a loan or because even if they did it would be very hard on their finances

a very strong mechanism that helps out poor people in the long term is arbitrage
so if the ratio goes low (buying is easy, renting is expensive), a lot of investors who have capital will naturally try to buy houses to rent them out
this is seeing as something "reprehensible" by midwits, but they are massively speeding up the natural process of increasing buy valuation and reducing rent valuation until the equilibrium is inevitably reached

by ruling a 4 year hold on newly bought properties before renting them, the short term mechanism of restoring the price:rent ratio into a balanced state is artificially destroyed
now the only way to restore balance is to either wait for consumers to do it (extremely slow process) or for investors to wait out the 4 year period, which may not even be possible because the opportunity cost of not doing anything with their investment for 4 years may eat away on their profit margins and eliminate all incentive for them to even bother

>>214019904
there are always conspiracy theories of why retarded policies fail
for example in venezuela it wasn't the mass printing of money that caused problems, it was foreign exchange speculation and good hoarders acting as saboteurs
Anonymous No.214021893
>>214018760
>you never have to deal with property taxes,
what is this retarded line of thinking? do you think landlords charge the price of mortgage? renters DO pay property tax, mortgage, for repairs and whatever profit on top of all that the landlord wants to make.

its the same as "free" healthcare. you think the landlord is going to repair shit for free? fuck no. guess what rents going up 200 next month once that water heater gets fixed.
Anonymous No.214021908 >>214022028
>>214021859
You don't support them. It's just talking point you learned to lure people into your death cult.
Anonymous No.214021960
Mods, can you move this thread to /pol/, the schizo Oz christcuck kid is posting his retarded "le race war" bait threads on /tv/ again because his mum's dead.
Anonymous No.214021993 >>214022045
>>214020394
Hope you like hearing your neighbour breath.
Anonymous No.214022028
>>214021908
What if it isn't? What kind of family and community values should I support if I want to reduce the economic power of big landlords and big corporations, while increasing the economic power of small landlords and small business owners?
Anonymous No.214022045 >>214022104
>>214021993
European buildings aren't made out of paper so this isn't an issue.
Anonymous No.214022046 >>214022136
>>214018962
>4% increase in rent after over a year
Wow! That's crazy! Imagine landlords raising rent by that much? Good thing that never happens anywhere else and rent prices have remained stable and affordable in places like the us, canada, the uk, ireland etc
Anonymous No.214022082
>>214019520
Boomers like you will die unceremoniously and their descendants will breath a sigh of relief that a generation of such idiotic psychopaths are forever gone from the world.
Anonymous No.214022104 >>214022134
>>214022045
Yeah about that.
Anonymous No.214022134 >>214022191
>>214022104
looks like solid concrete
Anonymous No.214022136
>>214022046
Do you think peoples wages are going up by more than that every year?
Anonymous No.214022137
>>214018406 (OP)
because they are
Anonymous No.214022169
>>214018406 (OP)
When I was living in college, my landlord would charge us for utilities. One day, I wake up freezing, the heat is shut off, we're wondering why. One of my roommates called the utilities, and it turns out the landlord wasn't paying the bills, and would just wait until they shut off the utilities before he paid.
Anonymous No.214022191
>>214022134
Wood, the whole thing looks shoddy as fuck.