Thread 214029305

>The murder weapon?
>You mean a knife that looked exactly like this one right here?
>You know, if you think about it, nobody even got a good look at the murderer
>In fact, he could easily be any one of us
>This handsome, clever murderer is probably still on the loose my friends
>He's probably some deranged psychopath with an unbelievably high IQ
>Much smarter than the police
>And certainly capable of influencing 11 imbeciles to do his bidding
>Yes, we may never know the identity of this extremely intelligent and cool murderer
>All I'm saying is that it's possible that the murderer could be a well-dressed white man
>Someone who derives pleasure from killing for no other reason than to watch a man die
>Sick bastard would probably get off from watching the whole trial happen
>Perhaps even going to great lengths to be in the courtroom while that falsely accused young man squirmed in his seat
>Masturbating through his pocket during the closing arguments
>Getting off on the fact that someone else would be blamed for his terrible crime
>Only to manipulate everyone around him to declare that boy not guilty at the very last minute
>What a sick fuck
>Anyway, the kid definitely didn't do it and you should just let him go and never think about this again

this is the oldest movie /tv/ is always seething about. None else.

How did this guy get a knife into a courthouse?

>>214029777
It was a different and arguably whiter time

I am felt stupid for not getting the point of the movie?
thought it'd be a who done it, but ending left us all hanging, like who actually did it.. I told class dude was, be my teacher told me shut you're asain ass up, fools her cuz I'm hispanic half black (cuban)

>>214030488
the point is that he dindu nuffin he a good boy whitey bad and raycis. see also: to kill a mockingbird

>>214030488
Doesn't matter who did it. The defendant might have done it. What matters is that the prosecution needs to prove it conclusively and it failed to do that.

>>214031063
why doesn't who did it matter?
if you killed your own father, you for sure would like to see some justice served for the murderer of your dad, wouldn't you not?

>>214031372
Because the movie is about the justice system, not about the murder.

From what we're told, the kid probably did it, but the evidence presented in the courtroom all ended up being just faulty enough that we can't be 100% sure, so the correct choice is to vote not guilty

>>214029777
high trust society

>>214030488
The movie is about reasonable doubt and the actions people would be willing to take to send someone to their death using the justice system

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>214030488
you clearly are stupid you dumb fuck beaner lmao

Watched the TV movie version based on /tv/'s recommendation. It's wild that the old racist white guy is played by a black, brotherhood of islam motherfucker.

>>214033660
The doubt in the movie was clearly unreasonable. All evidence pointed to the kid until juror 8 started pulling shit out of his asshole in order to confuse everyone and then the film turns into heckin racism kvetching

>>214029305 (OP)
Would the sequel be 13 Angry Men or 12 Angrier Men?

>>214033895
12 Angrier Men. It's the same cast and they go "Oh fuck, not this asshole again." The case is something inconsequential, like a girl getting community service for shoplifting a gift card but Henry Fonda refuses to let her be convicted.

>>214033866
Clearly not unreasonable when all other jurors started seeing things his way and did not convict the defendant.

>>214033764
I hate that we don't have guys who can yell like this anymore

>>214033895
12 More Angry Men

Damn, no Ivansperg today? Did he kill himself over that Alaska meeting?

>>214033895
12 regretful men and one satisfied jew

>>214029305 (OP)
What's with all the threads recently?

>>214031507
Ah yes, because africans and immigrants didn't exist in 1950s usa

>>214033866
>The doubt in the movie was clearly unreasonable

Yes, clearly. Way to show us your rational, unbiased look. Democracies depend on vigilant people like you.

>>214030488
>I am felt stupid for not getting the point of the movie?
The movie was just meant to be about how discrimination and biases are wrong. Everyone in the jury was bringing their outside biases and problems into the case rather than take it on its merits.

Autists however will focus on how everything that Juror 8 did is technically majorly wrong. Which is accurate, because a lot of the stuff he did would break protocol and also he was essentially acting like defense counsel. But this ignores: suspension of disbelief and how the movie was a drama more about other themes.

Who did the murder doesn't matter.

>>214033866
They examined every story and found glaring flaws, like how the elderly male witness couldn’t have covered the ground he claimed in the time he claimed and how the elderly female claimed to have seen the murder across the street through the windows of a passing train.

>>214035757
this is literally every case that uses eyewitness testimony though, people have absolutely fucking terrible memories

>>214035810
For the most part eyewitness testimony isn't even relied on that much in court because it just opens up the opportunity for the other side to bring up a rebuttal witness describing all the ways human memory is fucking trash.

>>214030488
I can't fucking believe how many sincere replies you got. Top bait.

>>214030488
The movie was meant to gaslight the public into being emotional, bad faith jurors.

>>214033895
It would simply be called 12, and it would focus on a George Floyd-like case, where the twist is the defendant is found innocent (because of deeply rooted racism) even though he's guilty. Directed by some A24 fad director.

>>214035938
Basically. I served jury duty once, and the one hold out was this boomer lady playing her own little version of this movie in her head.

>>214035196
>a lot of the stuff he did would break protocol

Nothing he did broke protocol. He didn’t introduce evidence, as he isn’t an attorney and the judge wasn’t involved and his identical knife wasn’t labeled exhibit FU in the official record.

Jury deliberations are essentially a black box, case goes in, verdict comes out, and whatever happens in deliberations stays in deliberations unless someone commits another crime.

>>214033895
Angry Men 2: Electric Boogaloo

>>214035810
>every case relies on a man with a limp suddenly able to sprint and an old woman seeing a murder across the street through a passing train

reminder: my cousin vinny is essentially the exact same movie except the defense attorney actually does his fucking job.

>>214029777
literally all the jurors are white and they are throwing around racial slurs about wetbacks and it was 1957. they just didn't allow minorities into the court house unless they were on trial so there was no need to search anyone

>>214030488
>I am felt stupid
too me

Disgusting movie

>>214031063
>>214031468
you're genuinely stupid and this middle school PSA jew movie is dogshit

>>214036773
basically yeah if you for some reason made people's memories the main evidence

>>214034068
obvious jew
>>214035170
even more obvious tranny

>>214029749
This is the oldest movie that caused social upheaval.

>>214031063
>>214031468
You guys are autists that think "beyond reasonable doubt" means 100% certainty. The evidence against the accused is more than enough in this case, the idea that the knife being not one of a kind somehow nullifies that incredibly strong evidence is comical. The defendant also had the worst alibi in the world and got caught lying about being in the theater. It's an open and shut case.

He's a good boy he dindu nuffin

>>214037649
They thought this guy was some sort of minority? That's a white man.

>>214037693
>That's a white man.
hello saar

>opens fire in a courthouse on two people who haven't been convicted of a crime, permanently maiming and crippling an innocent bystander, and inflicting massive psychological trauma on everyone in the building
>is found "not guilty" because "the two now-dead people totally deserved it lol"
This shit was way more retarded than 12 Angry Men

>>214037775
pic related

>>214037775
>>214037800
even Stavros in his total cuck era at the end of cum town agreed this was a shit premise

>>214037775
The Blight on McConaughey's career.

>>214033895
12 2: Men of Anger

>>214030488
its a jewish movie that poisons your mind with the talmudic version of what reasonable doubt currently is rather than what reasonable doubt use to be. it also gas lights you into believing that minorities/immigrants = deserve equal rights, are people just like you and me, and all that bullshit even though they come from a forign land with a forign culture and forign belief system.

>>214031468
good job you got mind fucked by jews. "reasonable doubt' doesnt mean 'lol if its not 100% certain then let him go lmao'.

It means "dont prosecute people solely on hearsay or coincidence or whatever social bullshit is going around that the aristocracy is pushing even though it really isnt law" which is what the british court did and still does and which the founders absolutely hated. If this event had happened 20 years earlier and was real life, even if the jew got the jury to give up the crowd would have still lynched the wop because he was clearly guilty. Old style american whites had no time for letting murders fuck around in their society.

>>214037693
he's a filthy forigner, just like you.

How do you get on a jury in a vaguely interesting court case? Seems fun.
I was on a grand jury once but it was boring, we just listened to people make arguments about why cases should go to trial and in every case there was enough evidence and everyone unanimously agreed. Way lamer than the cool trial juries.

>>214037649
Kind of looks like Leo Frank.
Wait, this movie is a Leo Frank allegory made by Jews, isn't it?

>>214038035
Even the most exciting crimes have horrifically boring court cases
It's not like Law & Order, it's 5 hours of
>This car is registered to the defendant, here are the 50 documents we have to prove this
>This traffic camera took a picture of the person driving the car registered to the defendant, here are the 50 documents we have to prove this
>We believe the defendant is the person in this picture that the traffic camera took of the person driving the car registered to the defendant, here are the 50 documents we have to support this belief
>We believe that if the defendant is the person in this picture that the traffic camera took of the person driving the car registered to the defendant, then the defendant committed the crime, here are 50 more documents to support this belief and 50 previous cases that also support this belief

>>214038035
lucky draw on the jury duty summons and then lie through your teeth so you don't get selected out
>>214038116
yes

>>214029749
jannies delete my Gone with the Wind threads. Not to mention the movie where the friendly men put hoods on and ride around

>>214038182
When does Saul pull the prosecutor's pants down and make the whole courtroom burst out laughing?

>Filp a coin 12 times
>12 heads
So were women just not allowed on juries in the 50s?

>>214036041
Pretty sure if you're caught trying to enter a jury room in 2025 with a knife on your person you'd be arrested and removed from the jury immediately. In fact that would have happened in 1957 too, but they presumably didn't have metal detectors set up and didn't bother to pat down a white man in a suit

>>214036031
Peep Show had a bretty gud ep where the juror holds out and does a Henry Fonda thing all because he thinks the defendant is hot

>>214036836
I mean, kinda. In the end they only get the charges fully dropped because actual killers got caught. The only thing Pesci and Tomei accomplished was delaying them long enough for the deus ex to drop

>>214037813
>>214037800
>>214037775
except this is literally based on a true story (the races were swapped tho)

>>214038804
>except the real story actually made sense and was righteous, just and morally correct
whoa

>>214037280
>>214037335
Cope

>>214035147
they were controlled better back then

>>214037519
>The evidence against the accused is more than enough in this case
Clearly not, since he's not convicted.

>>214029305 (OP)
>This thread once again
Just in August, you've posted it 8 times.
Seek professional help

>>214038322
It was a better time

>>214038953
he should post it twice a day every day

>>214038804
>>214038899
The "true story" was just the rape (with the races reversed in reality, because of course) of which the two criminals were found guilty
The "true story" never had the daughter's father murder the two criminals and cause an innocent bystander to become an amputee
It's been a long time since I watched the movie but I'm pretty sure at the point they were gunned down, they hadn't been found guilty yet

>>214030488
it was about how you shouldn't sentence someone to death if you have a reasonable doubt, even if you want to go to the baseball game and he's brown and is going to not do anything anyway

>it's another 12 angry men thread
>it's another angry anons ignore all of the arguments that were already gone over in the movie

>>214037280
>>214031372
in theory you aren't supposed to convict if you have a reasonable doubt

>>214039027
>it's another braindead libshit defends a shitty jew movie intended to sway the opinions of 11 year olds

>>214039041
posted it again award

>>214039090
I would have convicted him because just look at him, but the fag asked what the point of the movie was and that was the point of the movie, retardo

>>214037775
They were pedophiles and deserved to die. It sucks the baliff was shot and had his leg amputated, Sam Jackson should have gone to jail for that, but there's nothing wrong with executing kiddy fuckers.

>>214039027
they don’t address the fact that introducing new evidence in the jury room is illegal in the movie

>>214030488
>I'm hispanic half black
that explains the stupidity

>>214039140
The knife is not evidence, it has no relation to the actual crime. It's part of the juror's personal experience, which jurors are expected to use in formulating their opinion.

>>214039066
>it's another contrarian anon has to hate universally acclaimed film because of his retarded "political" opinions

am i the only one who insisted he was guilty to teachers. i think we saw this like five times over the course of my schooling, utterly insane how frequently it was shown

>>214039293
>It's part of the juror's personal experience, which jurors are expected to use in formulating their opinion.
well that's not true

>>214039312
Its a bad movie in every way nigga sorry you were a stupid impressionable kid

>be me, public defender
>client murdered his dad with a knife
>client was spotted fleeing from the murder scene by an old guy
>client was also seen committing the murder from across the tracks by a woman
>client has no alibi and the one he presented to the cops was obviously fake (went to the theatre for 4+ hours but couldn't remember what he saw, had no tickets, and nobody working there recognized him)
>do my job anyway because I'm a diligent lawyer even as a public defender
>the knife is rare but not unique, but my client is a retard who showed it to all of his friends on the day of the murder and then "lost it" between then and the murder of his father using an identical knife
>that's no defense, no jury is that retarded
>look into the witnesses
>hmm the guy is pretty old, could he have moved that quickly to the front door?
>ask a few old folks in my life to do a quick jog over that distance, as if they've just heard a murder
>yeah they can all do it very easily, but maybe this old guy can't, I'll look into him more
>fuck, he's very athletic and still regularly goes for jogs
>alright what about that woman across the road, let me check her interview
>hmm the detective notes that she wears glasses, let me look into that
>turns out she only needs glasses for reading, but she's a librarian so she wears them basically all the time anyway, her long-distance vision is perfect
>fuck, I'm screwed, there's no defense for this shithead
>old guy shows up and gives excellent testimony, he's got a bit of a limp after he tripped over on the courthouse stairs, feel bad for the old guy
>woman from across the tracks isn't wearing her glasses today, she's actually kinda pretty, she should go without the glasses more
>do my best in court but I can't wipe the look of obvious defeat off my face
>jury heads off
>takes HOURS for some reason in an open-and-shut
>Not Guilty
>what
>one of the jurors tells me I'm a shit lawyer and should have defended the obviously innocent man better
>WHAT

>>214039293
The juror was not a knife expert. He did not previously own the same model of knife. It is not part of his personal experience.

>>214039702
It is, because he experienced finding another knife. There are no rules about experiencing things after the trial has started, it's physically impossible to stop experiencing.

>>214039915
I think the proper argument is that you aren't allowed to go investigating on your own, and he did.

>>214039915
He specifically went out to knife shops, looking for it. That's an investigation, not a personal experience.

It not being "unique" doesn't mean shit either - plenty of people own the same type and size of shoes, but shoeprints are still admissible evidence.
If I own a grey F-Series, multiple people hear me scream "I'M GOING TO RUN YOU OVER" to a person, and then that same person is run over by a grey F-Series and my grey F-series has mysteriously vanished and I have no idea what happened to it, and my only alibi is "I was at the movies for 5 hours and nobody there remembers me and I also don't remember the movies I just saw in the last 5 hours" then it's not reasonable to say "well there's a reasonable doubt because a grey F-Series isn't unique"

>>214040052
bad example you could just use the license plate or vin number

>>214040492
You can't always easily spot a license plate. Or it could have been removed before the murder.
How the fuck would anyone spot a VIN in this scenario?

>>214039333
I was smart enough to know that arguing with teachers, especially when they were wrong, was a sure way to get lower grades

>>214040052
Wrong, it was a pawn shop, which is the least specific kind of store you can get. He was fully within his rights to take a walk after he got out of court.
>It not being "unique" doesn't mean shit either
It matters greatly because the knife has so few identifying factors to actually link it to the knife the people knew the defendant to have, other than the way it looks. Your Ford is a false equivalence for many reasons.

>>214039066
>Jews jews jews
Must be liberating to go through life not having to think for yourself, just parroting what others tell you.

>>214041523
>Own a Colt M1911
>Threaten to murder Person X loudly enough that people hear this happen
>Person X is later murdered by a Colt M1911, which was left at the crime scene
>I was showing off my Colt M1911 to my friends a few hours before the murder
>I have no alibi to the murder
>I no longer have my Colt M1911 in my possession
Even without being identified by the witnesses this is extremely damning evidence by itself - and that's using an extremely popular weapon as the allegory.

>>214038924
Jurors are not infallible (especially fictional jurors). You know you're allowed to have your own opinion, right?

>>214041659
You're wasting your time, this is the kind of retard who thinks OJ was innocent "because the jury didn't convict"

>>214041523
>It matters greatly because the knife has so few identifying factors to actually link it to the knife the people knew the defendant to have, other than the way it looks
I haven't seen this movie in a while but I'm pretty sure there was expert testimony that the stab wounds were perfectly consistent with the knife and the jurors were all in agreement that that exact model of knife was used in the murder

>>214041694
that's literally what innocent means, retard

>>214041754
"not guilty" and "innocent" are not the same thing legally
You can even be found innocent in a trial despite actually being guilty, because people are fallible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUJCLdmNzAA&t=150s

>>214041720
You misread, I'm not suggesting the murder weapon was wrong. There was no way to prove the knife found at the scene was the one the defendant was known to have owned, other than witnesses recognizing the shape, size and design of it, and some people concluding that they've never seen that specific style before (none of them being knife experts).

>>214041864
It can be inferred that the defendant owning the same model of knife is a known fact of the jurors, including the one trying to exonerate him. Also the person who sold him the knife was one of the witnesses, probably the best witness you could conceivable choose. I'm curious what you would consider to be stronger material evidence than what they had on the guy? The knife is about as good of evidence as it gets for the '50s

>>214039452
I'd love to see this movie from the perspective of the lawyer

>>214042060
obviously you need 4K video camera footage from 4 different angles of the crime, as well as a signed and spoken confession (also filmed in 4K from 4 different angles) but since these can also be fabricated by AI, the only way to be sure will be if God Almighty appears in court to testify