Thread 214034043

why does everyone hate this movie..?

never seen it

>>214034043 (OP)
It’s one of those “forcing yourself on a woman is good as long as your hot” films

>>214034043 (OP)
i actually loved it. many people havent even seen it, at least many that I know but I liked it.

>>214034070
i have seen it if you know what i mean

>>214034151
so are you upset because you're not hot or are you upset because of genuine moral objection because if the latter I'd like to try and convince you this movie is a true romance

I love it, watched it twice.

>>214034043 (OP)
I would wake her up and make her my sex slave

>>214034151
Yeah there were some rapey undertones there's. Should have started the film with both of them woken up

>>214034517
cmon dude it's not just blind monkey rape it's a complicated moral issue

it's a fucking trolley problem
it's a little more complex and interesting than a rape fantasy

>>214034043 (OP)
I don't hate it but it's frustrating in that there was the pieces to make a really good movie instead a mishmash of different genres that overall came out meh.

>>214034907
>it's a fucking trolley problem
No it's not. The classic trolley problem has one person being in the position of being able to decide how many other people will die in the given circumstances (the classic dilemma is should you sacrifice one person to save 5 others or something similar). In Passengers there is no runaway trolley, the only one affected by Pratt's character's pod malfunction was Pratt's character. He then acted on his own to sabotage JLaw's pod so he wouldn't be lonely/horny/crazy/etc.

movie plot look like a bad videogame

>wake up alone
>kinda amnesiac
>listen some audio logs
>explore ship
>wake up npc
>she kinda amnesiac
>tries to dialog your way up with the npc
>forced to fail
>finally save ship with your skills

>>214035022
everybody was affected by pratt's pod malfunction. had he not woken up by accident every single person on that ship would be dead. the question then becomes "does the man who saved you all deserve to have his pick of the women"

What if instead of the robot bartender they have basic holosuites that can do everything except make people with the one exception being the doctor from voyager. Would you wake anyone up?

>>214035150
so it's a holosuite with like 60% of all the functionality and fun taken out?

>>214035049
you forgot
>trawl loverslab for hours
>spend another 3 hours getting the sex mods to work

>>214035186
You can still do all your hobbies and visit anywhere you want. It would be too easy if you could bang your harem of custom made waifus forever. You still have the doctor so maybe you could figure out a way to get to your destination faster or a way to go back in the pod.

I'd wake up a dozen people and form a sweet ass cult then wake up everyone slowly and be a god

It would have been better if it was from JLaw's point of view, and you don't know that Pratt woke her up until the end.

>>214034043 (OP)
he rapes her

also the film is unrealistic

irl he would have woken all the women up and raped them

>>214035414
idk man turning it into a whodunit would distract from the trolley problem even more than the actiom sequences and it'd be really fucking sloppy then

I think it had to start with the knowledge of the moral quandary for any of this to really work intellectually... it would be an okay romance still I guess but it'd have an inescapable 50 shades of grey tone too

I prefer it as a moral/ethical sci-fi over being womanporn

>>214034043 (OP)
I love it, the spaceship is super cool and every scene is a feast for the eyes. Now I admit it should have been cut differently, the story would have been more tense if we discovered his "crime" later in the movie, but I don't really care I just took it a s a space trip. I need a chatty robot bartender.

Basically ended the director's career

>>214036003
or he's a genius auteur and this is his magnum opus and he left the mainstream because nobody understands his vision and in less than 20 years we'll see a massive influx of video essays from graduating film school college kids who remember seeing this movie as a tween going on for an hour about how perfect this film is as outsider art

>>214034043 (OP)
It is a strange movie. I expected a more of a sci-fi focus due to the ads. However, it is played as a straight on romance film.

This was complicated by the fact that Pratt does something really fucked up in the film, but it is also simultaneously very understandable at the same time.

Yet, the film doesn't have the ability to navigate such a fucked up but understandable choice. It just becomes a full on romance again.

I don't hate it, and I think hating on it is a bad take, but it has pretty large problems. It is just a lot of missed potential.

>>214035399
This. I'd wake up a couple of shorter, older dudes to help out and share the pussy with too just to take the load off of me. They'd be my high priests.

works better as a porn game

>>214036537
the romance aspect of it is HUGE

I mean considering what the most beloved romance stories are. They range from stockholm syndrome to straight up power dynamic porn.

Would you have liked the movie better if the genders were swapped, or if both were the same sex?

>>214034043 (OP)
he SA'd her. he graped her.

>>214037195
chicks love it

>>214034043 (OP)
The actors demanded to change the ending

>>214037255
evidence?

>>214037068
I think you misunderstand me. My criticism isn't borne out of the fact that Pratt is a male and Jlaw is a female like soiboi redditors. I have no issue with the gender dynamic. My issue is that it can't really deal with such an insane position Chris Pratt is put in. It just goes hollywood blockbuster to avoid dealing with it.

Neither of them is/was a strong enough lead to effectively carry the film as a 2-person story, especially when there is zero suspense - The audience knows what Lawrence's character doesn't from the beginning. It definitely wasn't shit, but it was too bland and dry.

>>214036003
>that casual mention of his wife killing herself because he divorced her
YIKES

>>214037728
>especially when there is zero suspense - The audience knows what Lawrence's character doesn't from the beginning
I'm not disagreeing with you, but the audience knowing more than the screen characters can very much be used to create suspense or tension. Hitchcock did that all the time (especially in Rear Window and Vertigo).

>>214037716
>It just goes hollywood blockbuster to avoid dealing with it

I'm sorry the hollywood compromises ruined the ingredity of the film for you. I think of it in the same light as Minority Report -- I can put aside the 20% of it that was Hollywood tropes to see through to the core of what it is.

It'd be better as an A24 film though yeah.

>>214034043 (OP)
ending was shit desu

how it should have went down

>don't bother with the whole captain waking up or the damaged ship story arcs
>after she finds out, she brutally murders him with a blunt object the night that she sneaks into his room, rather than just beating him up a bit
>she disposes his body out of the airlock, kino shot of his bloodied and frozen corpse floating off into space
>one of those JLaw writer/narrarator monologues about life on the ship by herself, discussing the morality of what both she and Pratt did and lamenting about being alone but optimistic for her future on the ship
>near the end of the monologue a shot of her disassembling the bartender while she discusses her optimism
>next shot is her looking at the pod of a sleeping Chad, running her fingers along the glass
>cut to black and roll credits

>>214037817
ok sociopath

>>214034043 (OP)
It's a good movie and fun to use in Silly Tavern.
It's an allegory for deprogramming a woman into having sentience.

>>214036003
This other Scandinavian director who made Let the Right One In had almost the exact same trajectory.
>make popular Scandi film
>sophomore effort in Hollywood becomes oscar darling
>bombs hard on the second English film and disappears forever

I stood up and shouted "kino!" after the scene where Chris Pratt raw dogged Jennifer Lawrence then stuffed her back into her hypersleep pod, jettisoned into space, a heap of trash sent to the sun to dissolve in cosmic radiation

>>214034043 (OP)
It has Crisp Rat

>>214038060
That was a great scene

>>214036335
>a massive influx of video essays from graduating film school college kids
Yeah bro I'm sure he'll really appreciate that once he's too old to put his kids through higher education or pay to live without pain, what a dream

>>214036003
>>214038031
So why do Scandinavian markets appreciate art so much more than Amerifats..?

More SOVL on average per capita?

People are blowing this out of proportion. Anyone on this ship is already an isolated loner that has no family or loved ones; that's why they chose to go. Life on the ship is better than where they were going.
You're complaining he chose her to win the lottery.

>>214034043 (OP)
Because it's horribly edited.
All the shit people pour on this movie could be solved if 2nd act was the first one and 1st act was second.
If you can't figure out such basic solution as a film-maker, you deserve all the scorn your movie gets

>>214038118
most artists aren't appreciated in their time, and a very important thing for understanding art is empathy and we live at a very low empathy time culturally especially in the anglosphere

I'm sure he appreciates his art being appreciated far more than whatever paycheck he got for it and he's living very comfortably either way

>>214034043 (OP)
It was kino and Lawrence was hot in it. Faggots and women hated it because internet faggots went crazy with the "le he raped" her memes. This is addressed in the film and yes Pratt does get shit for what he did but the film goes out of his way to show he wasnt playing with a full deck of cards when he made the decision to wake her up. It puts the viewer in a very uncomfortable position because literally anyone would do the same thing he did.

>>214034151
im hot and yes you get away with this because lol how much more preamble do you want from me bitches im hot

>>214036003
Or, if you read carefully what you've posted, you'd notice the actual reason he stopped making not just Hollywood movies, but movies at all.

>>214038171
>everyone who got on board every colony ship to the New World was a loser because ______
More than likely most of them were young and of both age and motivation to start a family aka the exact kind of people you need to grow a colony

>>214034043 (OP)
Only this board hates this movie and it's because they're a bunch of weird rapists.

>>214038265
Based!

>>214038171
You get on a ship, committing "geographical suicide" as she calls it, leaving everyone you knew behind because you felt no connection with any of them as a bizarre loner... calling it winning the lottery to find genuine love is underselling it

they're probably genuinely the luckiest passengers on the ship because they get to live out a life long romance novel with zero worries or problems or cultural pressures or social nightmares... I wish I could be so lucky to be in either of their position as a desperate loner myself

>>214038284
rottentomatoes critic scores are pretty shitty too

>>214038236
>subjecting a woman to living near me is unconscionable
Ok, now I get other why other people have a completely different opinion.

>>214034043 (OP)
It's one of my favorite movies. Comfy adventure.

>>214038343
How much soaking wet p***y do you think Matt Brunson has gotten Aug 21 - Aug 25

>>214038236
this

>>214038460
*She
and don't deadname her

>>214038060
>Jennifer Lawrence stars as a heap of trash sent to the sun to dissolve in cosmic radiation

Would watch

>>214034043 (OP)
They made it seem much more sinister or something than it really was. In the trailer or whatnot didn't they show like a "rescue" mission show up and it ended up being like oh SHIT the reactor is gonna blow if you guys don't fix it and kill everyone.

I kinda wish it had more of those Solar/Life vibes.

Lotta simps in this thread

>>214034043 (OP)
I liked it. Im surprised this board doesn’t debate the female character more.

>>214035082
>had he not woken up by accident every single person on that ship would be dead.
That's literally not true, Laurence Fishborne wakes up too because the pods are failing.

>>214034043 (OP)
Supposedly in the original script the Pratt character was going to be more "creepy" for lack of a better term and the audience wasn't supposed to know Pratt woke her up until the end. The problem is you can't cast a guy like Pratt and make him into some sort of creepy villain guy. He is too likeable.

this is a "MUST SHOW TO POTENTIAL WIFE CANDIDATE" shit test movie along with Gone Girl

lmao

>>214038236
This. It was basically a long episode of Star Trek, which meant I liked it. Science fiction is literally meant to be about moral dilemmas and 'what if' scenarios with no easy answers. Unsurprising that generation snowflake couldn't get their heads around it - they perceive the entire world in black/white.

>>214038614
>>214038572
I seem to remember they had launched a "rescue mission" that was supposed to catch up to or intercept the ship.

I think pratt even had a "I know why we woke up early" line in the trailer. They made it out to be this cute relationship instead of the creepy ass situation it really was lol.

>>214036537
I think the movie would work better if it saved the reveal that he woke her up early intentionally until the second or third act, I just think they felt like there was no way to redeem him by that point and keep it a romance film

>Chud-coded movie
>male lead reveals himself as MAGA chud years later
???? who wrote this shit

>>214038827
did you even watch the movie? he dies like less than 6 hours after he wakes up and even if he didn't he couldn't have pulled it off, especially not alone. there may have been a dozen people out of thousands that had the technical knowledge AND mechanical skills to fix the ship

>>214034043 (OP)
men hate it out of jealousy. women pretend to hate it because muh patriarchy but really it's also jealousy.

>>214037716
I will also say that despite my criticisms, anyone condemning Pratt is a self-deluded and unempathetic nutjob. Most normies went crazy over Covid. Yet, they are unable to understand that 1 year of TRUE total isolation would drive someone mad? Normies are the least empathetic people on the planet.

>>214037792
Minority Report was terrible. Spielberg dumbed down the source material considerably and the movie has pretty much the opposite themes and statement of the book. One of the most notable changes was the precogs themselves going from being three equally powerful, but tragic invalids whose talent had eaten most of their brains, to being one super special girl who was kidnapped and the other two are useless without the girl of course and the story is no longer about the military trying to seize control in a coup and prove Precrime Policing as flawed so they can step in an administer the law. The police are also far kinder in the novel and simply give criminals a new life as offworld colonists.The movie pretty much throws it all out for a generic action movie and rescuing a shitty damsel. The movie doesn't even have the big twist that there are three reports making them all Minority Reports!

The worst part is the fucking spider robot going back to look for Tom Cruise's nasal bubble.

>>214034043 (OP)
Idk. I thought it was great.

>>214041428
I'm sorry the movie ruined your favorite story and you now as a result can no longer enjoy the story. I guess you'll have to find a new favorite story.

>>214041428
>and simply give criminals a new life as offworld colonists
That sounds so dumb, the movie span that into grade A nightmare fuel which still feels uncannily plausible and marries well into all the other tech on display in that film. I'll definitely put less stock in whining PKD fanboys (every one of his adaptations has them) after your post.

>>214034043 (OP)
It was a bit of a mess
>Pratt is a nice handsome guy but doesnt have the rape chad vibe so women didnt like it
>too much of a romance instead of scifi or action so guys also didnt like it
In short it doesnt have any solid demographic in mind

>>214040054
Both of them were needed. Jim wouldn't have understood what needed to be done without Mancuso figuring out the situation and explaining it. Aurora being there to assist helped but could have been anyone with a bit of fortitude (granted, not something everyone would have had).

>>214042325
>That sounds so dumb
It only sounds dumb because everything is opposite land in the movie. Crime is something that's been in decline for a long time. Precrime is just the last step in eliminating ti altogether. The book is high in empathy and problem solving. Putting people in eternal mind prisons might be an epic scare for Joe Popcorn, but it violates human rights and his inhumane, and a complete waste of time and resources too. It doesn't make sense, therefore they don't do this retarded thing.

Even if you're some bottombarrel popculture pleb, This was still Spielberg's weakest film up to that point. Just think about all the stuff he made before this movie. You being a retard is no excuse this time.

>>214042355
Yeah it tried to be too many different kinds of movie imo. Made for very uneven pacing and some rather jarring tonal shifts.

>>214038031
Kinda reminds me of Dutch guy who directed prequel to Thing (2011) as his first American movie and then he hasn't worked on anything for 9 years before returning to Netherlands

>>214034043 (OP)
Literally changing anything in regards it the plot makes it 1000x better. Don't believe me?
>movie should have been from Jennifer Lawrence's perspective adds way more suspense not knowing what Chris Pratt did

>>214046349
The funniest part is that there is a fan edit that simply reshuffles order of some scenes (Jim's introduction is moved to the middle of the movie, few Aurora bits get reshuffled around), so you don't even need to change the script or add scenes, all it takes is different order of some of them.

>>214037817
10/10

>>214042355
>ctrl+F rape
>9
Not only it is never addressed like that (she talks about murder which is already a stretch) but it's totally off topic, the isolation of the character being itself a subplot in a sci fi adventure story: accident, survival, that's it. No idea why 0.1% of sex had become a point of critics.

>>214034043 (OP)
I liked it.

>>214034151
But his ever wanting of rape is was saved them all in the end. This is what made her go back to him. because in a very fucked up way he saved everyone just because he wanted to rape. rape rape rape

>>214034154
the part where she is swimming in the pool when the gravity fails and she gets trapped in the water in zero-G was awesome, visually and conceptually

>>214047087
/thread

Movie's saying, were it not for his toxic masculinity they were all going to die.

>>214036003
>After he divorced his wife and her death by suicide, he moved back to Oslo, Norway with his son.
it wasn't his filmography that endee his career

>>214034043 (OP)
not only because i hate the actors but also because of that nerdwriter video i saw that explains why it's not as good as it could be
https://youtu.be/Gksxu-yeWcU

>>214035399
>I'd wake up dozen people
What happens when you realize you're actually not at the top of the pecking order and someone else takes over?

>>214034043 (OP)
I watched this movie with my ex which I had a 1 year relationship with. After the movie ended she went to bathroom, came back and broke up with me. This was 1.5years ago. I never heard anything from her ever since.

>>214047253
No, it was.

>>214047302
it wasn't

>>214034043 (OP)
the original timeline was just weird.
The reveal that he was the one to wake her up should have happened at the end and not the beginning

>>214047253
The movie premise gave her the ick, it was.

>>214034043 (OP)
Because it's heckin problematic so normalfags hate it

>>214034517
>rapey undertone
but that's the good part

>>214034043 (OP)
Zoomers and millennials don’t like media with nuanced or even partially sympathetic views on certain topics or themes. They either need them to reinforce their beliefs or will simply look to their social media bubble to tell them what to think.

>>214047613
Not to mention that there isn't any gay pro Palestine messages

>wake up too early
>no I won't wake up anyone competent to do anything about it
>no there isn't any procedure in case this happens even though it was likely to happen
>I'll wake up a hot chick instead so the fantasy can happen

>>214047350
If the reveal happens at the beginning it adds the undertone that there's a terrible secret behind all the good things happening, a secret involving ruining someone's life selfishly. Which is kind of the point of the movie.

>>214034043 (OP)
If this had been an indie 8 bit looking 5 hour long game, millions of redditors and 4tards would've creamed over it

>>214048847
I forgot to mention
>and swapped the genders

>>214034043 (OP)
>Wake up 1 hot chick instead of raping all the sleeping women on board
Unrealistic flawled premise

>>214048581
>>no I won't wake up anyone competent to do anything about it
That's what he tried to do first but for understandable reasons his pass didn't allow him into the crew quarters.
>it was likely to happen
Morpheus repeats "it shouldn't have happened", apparently the company is overconfident on the energy shield.
>I'll wake up a hot chick instead
Wouldn't you, Quintus? Wouldn't I?

>>214034043 (OP)
I liked it. It was genuinely very realistic in its portrayel of lonely desperation. The movie didn't seem to know what it wanted to do beyond that, but it was still worth watching.

>>214034043 (OP)
I liked it enough to watch it one and half times. Mainly because it's kinda feelgood, even though it shouldn't be.
It's got some bold ideas but got pushed through the hollywood slop filter, neutering any and all impact.
The central dilemma, that Chris Pratt does something truly unforgivable as a last alternative to simply blowing himself out the airlock, could be really compelling. But the movie just glosses over that and goes into hollywood romance slop autopilot complete with deus ex machina out the ass.

>>214042748
>(((Spielberg)))
>what if inhumane disproportionate torture
I never questioned these things as a kid, man

You ever notice how jews keep making movies about men forcing a lone attractive white woman to fall in love with them? It's kind of weird. It's even weirder when the male is kind of nerdy, has thick eyebrows, and has a somewhat large nose.

>>214034043 (OP)
i actually find it pretty comfy. he shouldn't have woken a used up slag though.

>>214034043 (OP)
>Two heterosexual non-jewish White people.
You must be new here. The reason is called Loxism.

I first watched it when it released in theaters as a bitter incel and back then I would have agreed with a good number of the posts ITT.
I watched it again with my wife and we both really enjoyed it, and I think that's pretty much the difference.

>>214037817
And then she shows her butthole in the after credits scene

>>214037817
Replace Chad with a nerdy looking white guy and it’s a 10/10