Thread 214042976

>Erm akshually he was evil from le beginning!1!1
Why are plebbitors like this every time a character becomes corrupted?

>>214042976 (OP)
Because he was evil and suppressing his real nature. The cancer diagnosis and his entry into the criminal underworld showed who he really was, and what he was capable of.

>teaching zoomers turned him into Le evil meth man

Poetry.

>>214042976 (OP)
who cares?
Breaking Bad was always a goofy live action cartoon for adults

>>214042976 (OP)
Same reason they always try to whitewash characters who have redemption arcs. They are incapable of understanding duality.

from the first episode I hated walter and though he was a piece of shit. anyone with a half developed brain would know that was the message - that the cancer was just a means to act how he wanted all along. he admits directly to the audience in the final episode. sorry you're a retard and even this blatant of a confirmation is to hard to grasp.

>>214042976 (OP)
Because he was always evil you fucking retard. He was always a narcissist held back by cowardice. Breaking Bad isn't him become more evil, it's him becoming more confident.

Remember in the first season when they're scouting for methylmine and Walt tells Jesse "this is the first day of the rest of your life." Jesse in that moment is like how Walt was his entire life, just cowardly, hesitant.

>>214042976 (OP)
the only time q show actually had me rooting for the pigs. walter was a fucking piece from start to finish

>>214043078
>>214043099
What did he do that was evil in the beginning?

>>214042976 (OP)
didnt walter try to rape skylar in the literal second episode?

>>214043118
Had sex with his wife leading to more white people being born

>>214043023
He was a highschool teacher so he was teaching millennials

>>214043122
She gave him the world’s most shitty handjob on his fucking birthday.

>>214043118
>quit his job at Gray Matter because his GF's family was richer than him, which is narcissistic
>refused the money from Gretchen and Elliot later on, which would have saved him and he would have never needed to make meth
>sexually assaults his wife
>decides to make meth which is ontologically evil
>is manipulating jesse since the first episode
A man who isn't a pathetic ego would have never even quit Gray Matter in the first place, or would have just gotten a better job than a chemistry teacher to provide for his family. Seriously, Walt is shown as having human calculator level intellect, and to have contributed to a nobel prize. He did not have to be a chemistry teacher, he was just too much of a pussy pushover.

Or at the very least just accepted the money from Gretchen and Elliot, since that isn't a handout no matter how you look at it.

A good man wouldn't have entered into a life of crime ruining the lives of everyone he came into contact with.

When the fuck did Walter try to rape Skylar?

>>214043230
After the Tuco shit he goes home and forces himself onto Skylar. It's in like the second episode.

>>214043230
All penis in vagina sex is rape, chud.

>>214043252
>tuco
>second episode

>>214042976 (OP)
Because Redditors are virtue signalers and in their culture the most virtuous person is the one that gets offended the quickest.

>>214043272
yeah i just had a retard moment. he assaults her in the second season i think

desperation makes the latent evilfaggotry surface a la Parasite
living in a society capitalism etc

>>214043214
he's bitter and arrogant and doesn't pay close enough attention to whether or not Jesse is comprehending his instructions. none of these traits are evil, just unpleasant. the evil comes out later when he's having his power struggles with Gus.

>>214043214
>quit his job at Gray Matter because his GF's family was richer than him, which is narcissistic
>refused the money from Gretchen and Elliot later on, which would have saved him and he would have never needed to make meth
I don't think they said how he had a falling out with grey matter, in any case it turned out very poorly for him and he's been a productive member of society his whole life while reaping very little reward. Not sure how you construe that as him being evil.
>sexually assaults his wife
>decides to make meth which is ontologically evil
Gonna ignore the gish galloping bait points
>is manipulating jesse since the first episode
I don't agree, Jesse is a grown man and can make his own decisions. Walter is actually a positive force in his life at the beginning and causes him to get clean. Jesse is already just narrowly avoiding arrest in the very first episode and is clearly lost without Walt

>>214042976 (OP)
The reason I don't like it is that it implies that if people can be corrupted then people can be redeemed.

>>214043118
walter consistently shows condescension and egoism - part of it is warranted because he is quite smart. but he victimized himself as a tortured genius who didn't the life he felt he deserved - though many of them were his own making. he leaves his girlfriend, who was deeply in love with him and implied to still carry some feelings for him, out of insecurity for their wealth disparity instead of talking about it - leaves his job too when he could have had a solid career there. he lets his controlling wife dictate a lot because he wants to shunt off responsibilities for actions (or lack thereof) so if shit goes whack he can blame her (skyler is an issue too but thats another discussuon). when he gets the cancer and is offered a really lucrative and stable position at GM by his ex and her husband, which would have offered everything the meth situation gave with none of the risk to his family, he didn't take it because of his own egoism yet again. when his own son, who is suffering from his own problems, starts to fundraise for his cancer treatments and try to support him, he treats him like shit and is insecure they're asking for "handouts". not to mention forces booze on him. he sucks.

>>214043341
>I don't think they said how he had a falling out with grey matter
He fell out because he was dating Gretchen and he got jealous that her family was wealthier than his.
>Gonna ignore the gish galloping bait points
It's not, making drugs is quite literally evil.
> don't agree, Jesse is a grown man and can make his own decisions.
"Work with me or I'm sending you to prison"
A good man would have just turned Jesse in.

Why did he sell his stake for $5,000? Was this nigga retarded? Also the Gay Matter subplot was unnecessary and uninteresting. Post ears.

he's no slipping Jimmy

>>214043341
also
>he's been a productive member of society his whole life while reaping very little reward.
Are you a retard? The guy who contributed to a nobel prize, the literal chemist genius, can do no better than teaching at a high school? He reaped no reward because he was a faggot pussy and refused every opportunity handed to him.

>>214043386
You think Walt suddenly found out Gretchen had money? It's never said what exactly set him off.

>>214042976 (OP)
lol

>>214043425
It's in the subtext of the show and Vince later confirmed that he left because he saw how wealthy her family was.

Stop debating it and look it up you fat fucking retard.

>>214043425
Gretchen confronts walter, and said that HE was the one who left. she never understood why and wanted clarification but didn't get it until years later. she introduced him to her family and home, and without warning he left without saying anything. walter bitterly comments much later that she was showing off their wealth and status.

>>214043386
>Work with me or I'm sending you to prison
When was this?
>He fell out because he was dating Gretchen and he got jealous that her family was wealthier than his.
>It's not, making drugs is quite literally evil.
I'm going to keep it real, these points are just your own autism. Walt's personal relationship with his gf is none of your business and has nothing to do with morality. Pharmaceutical production being evil is a nothing take and you don't seem interested in backing it up with evidence so yes, it will be ignored.

>>214042976 (OP)
He wasn't any more evil than any other asshole on the street. Redditors are retards who are not only media illiterate but people illiterate as well.

>>214043443
>muh subtext
So no, it's not stated.
>vince said
Which means jack shit. Ask him in S1 and he'd tell you Crazy-8 died from the gas and Jesse got arrested by the cops after the finale.

>>214043464
Again, so Walt suddenly found out she had money? It never came up before?

>>214043478
>When was this?
You don't remember the literal driving force behind their relationship? Walter sees Jesse at the DEA bust, watches him escape, says nothing, confronts Jesse later and forces him to make meth with him.
>Walt's personal relationship with his gf is none of your business and has nothing to do with morality.
He dropped a lucrative job and shacked up with some annoying bitch and produced a dysgenic spawn. And yes, contributing to the drug crisis is bad. Holy shit you're a worthless kike.

>>214043478
>Walt's personal relationship with his gf is none of your business and has nothing to do with morality.

nta but I think referring to walter like hes a real person is far more autistic
also saying a characters interpersonal relationship and how they dealt with it is irrelevant to how they are as a person and their development is next level retarded

>>214043489
see>>214043464

Go rewatch the show.

>>214043510
>goyim shouldn't choose which drugs go into their body
>err.. k-kike!
Projecting much?

>>214043521
Walt breaking up with his girlfriend has absolutely zero to do with morality and if you disagree you have terminal autism

>>214043501
knowing someone has money and actually seeing it irl is very different. if youre some lower middle class guy with no reference to top one percent social and dining customs, its stressful as shit and you feel constantly looked down on. even if you learn to do the dance, the best youll ever be seen as is a nouveau riche leech.

and people who have Gretchen type money dont usually go around shouting it and showing it off if they have any level of intelligence or class.

source: my shitty life

>>214043538
>i want the blood of my nation to be poisoned by drugs
Yes, you're a kike.

>>214043565
its not the breaking up thats the problem you fucking idiot. its thr motivations, the reason why, and the nature of their relationship at all - that they were two needs who fell in love in a lab over a mutual passion and it got destroyed because of insecurity and miscommunication. Jesus fuck, you are a retard.

>>214043530
>>214043568
>just carrying the goalposts further along

>>214043582
>I want my fellow countrymen enslaved
>Laws dictate morality
Gigakike

>>214043589
the only goalpost moving here is you being proven wrong and then going BUH BUH BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS???

It's ok to not have any media literacy or interest in narrative if thats not what you watch TV for anon. maybe you should have some marvel slop, that seems more your speed and comfort level :)

>>214043588
You don't know what morality is. Being insecure has nothing to do with morality. Your own headcanon about another man being insecure is even farther removed from morality somehow.

>>214043627
>proven wrong
No, you are supplying your bullshit theory as fact when it's not backed up in the text. First you claimed it was stated, then it became subtext, then Vince said this.

None of it is backed up by the story. Walt didn't just find out she had money, nor would that explain why he'd walk away from his own company for 5K.

Why does Walt generate so much butthurt? He's not even Top 50 in terms of villainy.

>>214043386
>making drugs is quite literally evil.
It literally isn't.

>>214043680
What about selling them to the cartel?

Why are nu4channers media-illiterate plebs?

>>214043642
>Being insecure has nothing to do with morality.

insecurity can be the driving force that will influence a person to do extremely morally bankrupt things. The Penguin did this too - Oz did all that rotten shit just because he was insecure about his fucked foot and not getting mommy's attention. His morality was deeply inflicted by his inherent insecurity of feeling unneeded and unloved by the people in his life. If Oz's mother had realized the depth of it she could have prevented a lot of tragedy too.

The same applies to Walter, and how his insecurity about his lot in life despite his intelligence and scientific value influences his decision to do stupid shit - No, I will not be the scientific helpers to a bunch of one percenters who got handed everything despite the fact they are less smart than me. Even if they are nice people, they dont DESERVE nice things the way I do. I can build a buisness all on my own. I will control all.

>>214043705
tiktok and covid have rotted the brains of children

>>214043230
season 2 episode 1

>>214043214
>>refused the money from Gretchen and Elliot later on, which would have saved him and he would have never needed to make meth
Wasn't it established in the show that they did him dirty in some way by either giving him less money or less credit for the work he put in towards the company/nobel prize, or were unfair in some other way? So why the fuck would Walt accept any money from them later as if they're doing charity out of pity? Who the fuck would in this situation who has any shred of self respect or dignity? This is not an example of a 'Walt bad' situation.

>>214043772
> Wasn't it established in the show that they did him dirty in some way by either giving him less money or less credit for the work he put in towards the company/nobel prize, or were unfair in some other way?
No, it wasn’t. Why are you arguing about a show you haven’t seen?

>>214043656
I am a different person, not the same anon. I am just another person who thinks you're an idiot. the person who pointed out it was said in the show was myself, though other deeper shades of it are implied in other scenes. the reasons are pretty straight forward. if you cant realize there is more than one person who this thread who thinks you are a media illiterate retard, thats on you lol

>>214043807
It’s just bait

>>214043807
>i am totally not the same person who is arguing the same things in the same way

>>214043214
Why the fuck was he a chemistry teacher anyhow? Alright Gray Matter is out of the question for him but surely a man with not only his genius in the field but his qualifications from places like CalTech and Nobel contributions could have landed an excellent job somewhere.

>>214043177
The person you responded to can't understand that.

>>214043872
Inertia. They establish he had other jobs after getting with Skyler. Seems like teaching was something he got into when she got knocked up with tardo.

>>214043623
Who's more free, someone who would be a drug addict but isn't due to the deterrence of the law, or someone who is a complete slave to his impulses as a result of addiction? Not to mention, nobody wants to live or raise kids in a place with a bunch of fucking degenerate junkies roaming around, trashing everything up.

>>214044295
The best blow job I have ever had in my life was from a junkie. They are an essential part of life

Threadly reminder, Mike was unironically right, and Walt had (by his own admission) an embarrassing crash out. That is, after he had already destroyed the cash raking machine he was apart of.