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Tv ending was mostly his ending
Anonymous No.214047108 >>214047239 >>214047315 >>214047905 >>214048458 >>214048851 >>214064924
>basing a tv show off an incomplete book series
It was doomed from the start
Anonymous No.214047112
>>214047097 (OP)
Stinking fat cunt.
Anonymous No.214047201 >>214049023 >>214054736 >>214055265 >>214055344 >>214067995
It's so obvious but for some reason fans are obsessed with denying it. But there's literally no other reason why he wouldn't finish the books. The show aligned with his plans for the books and seeing the negative reception it got gave him cold feet/spite. But somehow fans won't let you say this.
Anonymous No.214047233
>>214047097 (OP)
Porker
Anonymous No.214047239 >>214049914
>>214047108
In May 2015 he believed he could complete book 6 before January 2016
Anonymous No.214047315 >>214047362 >>214047524 >>214049339
>>214047108
when the show started Dance just released.
This giant book back than took 6 years to write and was considered by fans and GRRM alike to be extreme in development time (as in, something that will never happen again)

nobody could even dream to think that this dude would need 2 decades ( TWENTY YEARS ) to write the next book and still not be done.
GRRM is 76 years old. To make it clear, he spent almost ONE THIRD of his entire life right now to write ONE BOOK, namely Winds Of Winter.

Its just all so insane from every possible angle
Anonymous No.214047362 >>214047389
>>214047315
It's been barely 14 years and even 20 years is nowhere near a third of 76 year old man's life
Anonymous No.214047389
>>214047362
oh but it is since, what, 1 quarter or one third of Winds is overflow from Dance.

This guy has been writing on WoW since 2005 at the least.
Entire Franchises have been created in this time frame. Mass Effect, as a concept, was envisioned, pre-produced, created, released, had 2 sequels, a "new, modern" sequel in Andromeda and the subsequent downfall of the entire franchise, in a time frame shorter than Dance to WoW

GRMM will go down as the biggest dunce in literary, modern history
Anonymous No.214047524 >>214047568
>>214047315
he might have decided to scrap book 7 and rewrite all of 6 to make it into a fitting ending itself
Anonymous No.214047568
>>214047524
even if he did that 3 times over he would have done it already by just writing half a pager per day
Anonymous No.214047597 >>214047620 >>214048333 >>214048862 >>214048884 >>214049234 >>214049310 >>214051283 >>214052702 >>214057827 >>214060450 >>214063332
Second sentence in the second paragraph. These are George's own words.

He's just not motivated and wants to fuck around at cons and write new tv shows.
Anonymous No.214047608
>>214047097 (OP)
FINISH THE BOOKS YOU FAT FUCK.
Anonymous No.214047616
>>214047097 (OP)
Why is there a question mark there, it's not even up to debate.
Anonymous No.214047620 >>214047643 >>214055818
>>214047597
no problem with that.
But he says the complete opposite. Everytime he is asked if he likes fucking around at cons or TV more he says "NO NO NO! I am totally writing WoW trust me bro it is coming SOON"
Anonymous No.214047630 >>214064537
>>214047097 (OP)
Heโ€™s not to blame. As far as I know, the series started to deviate from the books as early as season 3 because D&D were too lazy to introduce new characters and plotlines, and they were rushing toward the Red Wedding for the shock value.


The moment the series jumped the shark was when Cersei blew up the Great Sept of Baelor. From a real-world point of view, it felt like they just lazily wanted to remove a lot of characters and subplots. From an in-universe point of view, the kingโ€™s mother basically blew up the Vatican, yet no one seemed to care. WTF
Anonymous No.214047643 >>214047662
>>214047620
He should admit that he's a One Trick Pony.
Anonymous No.214047651 >>214048116
>>214047097 (OP)
He's become more famous of the books not being finished that he would if he bothered.
Anonymous No.214047662 >>214047814
>>214047643
All he had to say 10 years ago is Look guys, imma be real, its probably not gonna happen anymore
Anonymous No.214047694
Ah, if it isn't my favorite author, a sack of cottage cheese.
Anonymous No.214047703 >>214047802
How long does it take to write a damn book the Harry Potter bitch shat out tons of them in a decade and had movies made for each one.
Anonymous No.214047802 >>214047884
>>214047703
harry potter is garbage for kids.
Anonymous No.214047814 >>214047836 >>214048030
>>214047662
His entire fanbase will turn on him, on the other hand if he dies he will remembered as great author who was about to finish his magnum opus and just needed a little more time
Anonymous No.214047836
>>214047814
>will turn
His entire fanbase did turn on him
Anonymous No.214047861
>>214047097 (OP)
What's he announcing, a competitive eating team sponsored by Novo Nordisk?
Anonymous No.214047884
>>214047802
Asoiaf is a mummer's farce.
Anonymous No.214047890
>>214047097 (OP)
He signed to let the publisher sell his books after his death.
They will sell them at 50$ each.
Anonymous No.214047905 >>214047948
>>214047108
full metal alchemist was kino
Anonymous No.214047948 >>214049477 >>214055025
>>214047905
They remade the whole series after the story was finished and it's regarded as the superior version.
Anonymous No.214047951 >>214048009 >>214048423 >>214050991
>>214047097 (OP)
I really don't see a medieval history sperg doing something as stupid as sending calvary directly into enemy lines, or failing to account for travel time for military formations, or armies that were decimated on screen simply regenerating the next episode. That's something shitlib Californian urbanites would do. Not somebody who knows the difference between a flamberge and a claymore.
Anonymous No.214048002 >>214050875 >>214058847
>book series will canonically end with Daenerys shitting her guts out in a field because the lazy old fart refuses to work and could die any day now
I could think of no better ending.
Anonymous No.214048009
>>214047951
those are addressed in the book all the time, the only major point I always had a problem with are his population sizes, Westeros' depiction and the size of armies and cities clash heavily.
Anonymous No.214048030 >>214048229
>>214047814
Heโ€™s lived too long for that tack to work.
People already assume heโ€™s been lying for years, so him dying and making it official is just taken as read.
Anonymous No.214048116 >>214048171
>>214047651
it's a different kind of fame though, in 2014 he was a god, the new Tolkien. Now he is a punchline.
Anonymous No.214048171 >>214048189 >>214048223 >>214049309 >>214050324 >>214066340
>>214048116
He was never the new Tolkien; not even close. If anything he combined successfully high fantasy and the godfather but Tolkien-tier? NO!
Anonymous No.214048189 >>214048223 >>214049021
>>214048171
I didn't think that, but people overhyped him at the time, massively. You had to be there in the forums or fb-groups.
Anonymous No.214048223 >>214049021
>>214048171
>>214048189
If not him, then who? Everything is always relative
Anonymous No.214048229 >>214048272 >>214048273
>>214048030
It's impossible to prove he is not writing book 6 unless he himself admits that
Anonymous No.214048245
STANNIS!!!
Anonymous No.214048250 >>214048284 >>214048460
I know nothing about how the publishing industry works but you'd think by now they'd be putting pressure on him to release something. I know he's done other ASOIAF books since the release of ADWD but they're leaving a lot of money on the table.
Anonymous No.214048272
>>214048229
he says it's (I think he always says) 70% finished, there are compilations of him saying that for nearly a decade now. Either he isn't writing shit or the book gets bigger all the time (the book as a concept gets 100 pages longer and he wrote 70 new pages in that time-frame), which doesn't help his progress at all.
Anonymous No.214048273
>>214048229
People donโ€™t need to prove it. Theyโ€™ll just assume it until he proves them wrong because heโ€™s not getting the benefit of the doubt anymore.
Anonymous No.214048284 >>214066363
>>214048250
He is too big (lol) to be bullied by some publishing house, last year he beefed directly with HBO and they are still making new shows based on his books
Anonymous No.214048288 >>214048451
I think there is a good chance we will get something resembling a 6th book. Probably won't be very good tho.
We will not get a 7th book however.
My guess is he would need to write 3 more books if he is actually trying to wrap up the story in a satisfying way.
Anonymous No.214048333 >>214048373
>>214047597
sounds like a solid trilogy desu, someone should remake the books and actually follow the plan
Anonymous No.214048373 >>214048404 >>214062995
>>214048333
the first 3 books are already the solid trilogy, the drop in quality from A Storm of Swords to A Feast for Crows was massive.
Anonymous No.214048404
>>214048373
Yeah, but it's only the initial book 1, we still don't have Dany and Others invading Westeos
Anonymous No.214048423 >>214048441
>>214047951
this California derangement syndrome is really getting out of hand
Anonymous No.214048441 >>214048676
>>214048423
I googled Skid Row once and am now convinced that we need to nuke the place from orbit
Anonymous No.214048451 >>214048467 >>214048513
>>214048288
He might finish the 6th book and then croak and the rights to produce the final book will land on someone else who will write what will essentially be a fan-fiction ending to the series that will ''fix'' all the problems of the TV-show ending.
It will be hailed as the greatest thing ever by redditors for maybe few years and then people will turn on it for being shit, just differently shit compared to the TV-show.
Anonymous No.214048458 >>214048567 >>214048980 >>214061383
>>214047108
Nah, if D&D weren't little spoiled nepo babbies with billionaire banker dad and had hired competent writers, and not themselves writing fanfiction not even good enough for teenage drama on Nickelodeon, then it should have been fine.
Anonymous No.214048460 >>214048549
>>214048250
I made this to illustrate the power imbalance between Gurm and his publishers.
Anonymous No.214048467
>>214048451
>It will be hailed as the greatest thing ever by redditors
Not even they will care at that point.
Anonymous No.214048513
>>214048451
The only storyline that I bother rereading anymore is Jon/The Wall.
I don't care about any of the other storylines anymore,.
Anonymous No.214048548 >>214048572 >>214048698 >>214050957
The ending was fine, just executed poorly. Two 700 page novels would flesh it out, unlike the hacks who made the show.
Anonymous No.214048549 >>214048568 >>214048590
>>214048460
Last preview chapter was nearly a decade ago and it was probably written for Dance with Dragons
Anonymous No.214048567 >>214048980 >>214066398
>>214048458
HBO offered D&D reinforcements, they refused to share credit
Anonymous No.214048568 >>214048590
>>214048549
It was.
From my understanding like half of winds is stuff he couldn't fit into dance.
Anonymous No.214048572
>>214048548
this, honestly.
A lot in the finale was played for laughs as well, which was a weird tonal clash. For example: The North seceding could be an interesting story-line and not just one awkward line
Anonymous No.214048590
>>214048549
>>214048568
The rumors that he told close friends he never intends on finishing ASOIAF have to be true.
Anonymous No.214048676
>>214048441
I look and see itโ€™s not only me
Anonymous No.214048698 >>214048753 >>214048774 >>214049962 >>214055981
>>214048548
The ending is not fine as long as the winter is over in one episode.
Big song and dance about the winter coming and it's like a fart in the wind.
Anonymous No.214048753
>>214048698
like nipples on a breastplate
Anonymous No.214048774 >>214048872 >>214052514
>>214048698

you cannot read a 4chan post so I wouldn't be sweating novels, big dog
Anonymous No.214048816
my favourite kingdom is Dorne
Anonymous No.214048851 >>214061263
>>214047108
Worked for Harry Potter. Maybe fatman should've just written faster.
Anonymous No.214048862 >>214048884
>>214047597
>The second paragraph
>I have to make shit up as I go along or else I loose interest in writing altogether.
Anonymous No.214048872 >>214049284
>>214048774
I can read fine, there is no executing that ending better. You can have 10000 pages to flesh out that ending and it still sucks.
Or do you think the ending is only literally the final scenes? It is the entire last season of the show and the entire last book and it would need to be significantly changed.
Anonymous No.214048884 >>214065488
>>214048862
>>214047597
Grim.
Anonymous No.214048904 >>214048947 >>214049387 >>214063046
Why does he always wear that fucking hat as if he's some sort of old timey lighthouse keeper?
Anonymous No.214048947
>>214048904
He's a sperg. That's what they do.
Anonymous No.214048980
>>214048458
>>214048567
Beautifully they've earned all the blame. They, and to a much larger Extent Hollywood, are a prime example of killing the Golden Goose.
Anonymous No.214048998
>>214047097 (OP)
yep, he saw the fallout of the reaction of the show's ending and now realized he wrote himself into a dead end
Anonymous No.214049021
>>214048189
>>214048223
David and Leia Eddings are a lot closer to Tolkien than Gurm is.
Anonymous No.214049023 >>214049138 >>214049594 >>214049796 >>214051262 >>214051927 >>214052088 >>214065702
>>214047201
Because even if he would finish it, I dont get what people would want to see out of an ending.

He has subverted all tropes up to a point where the story is just a nihilistic series of event happening to cynical people seeking power. Even the fantastical aspect of his lore has been emptied of any meaning.

The only thing you would get out of an ending to this serie is satisfying a very base curiosity about who would sit on the throne, but it really doenst matter in the grander sense because all characters are ultimately written as the same interchangable cynical/amoral power grabbers.

Ironically, we dont even know what would be their tax policy.
Anonymous No.214049138 >>214049310 >>214052514
>>214049023
Why do faggots who never read the books always sound the same?
Anonymous No.214049234 >>214049738
>>214047597
I was soaking in the womb when this letter was written. It's neat watching the world before you existed take shape as get older.
Anonymous No.214049264
>>214047097 (OP)
The ending was the best part. Completely redeemed the 5 trash seasons they made.
Anonymous No.214049284 >>214049439
>>214048872

I genuinely have no idea what you mean. If I summarize the ending in one sentence, is it the same as a 10000 page novel? Is an already abridged season of a show the same as a novel? Do you know the difference between the detail of a novel and a show? I donโ€™t know how anyone can possibly hold the opinions that you do.
Anonymous No.214049309
>>214048171
If you disregard it's influence, lotr is a lame read compared to asoiaf
Anonymous No.214049310
>>214049138
Hes kinda righ tough, the initial plan was to have the whole cast at the wall by book three, as indicated in this letter.
>>214047597

But even back then gurm did not have a clear idea on how that would happen. If you add to that the way in which grum choose to expand his story: by always increasing ambiant chaos and killing off any character that would be a sort of positive threath to that status status quo, you are left with a mess of a story.

Another irony is that readers are so used to having heroes dying if they threathen status quo that it would create a sort of suspension of disbelief (i.e. too apparent plot armor) would the main cast take any actual action.
Anonymous No.214049339
>>214047315
You are wrongly assuming he's planning to ever sit down and write it at all.
At this point, no matter what he would write, the expectations are so high, it's unironically better to never deliver. It's not like he's poor and must publish that book in the first place
Anonymous No.214049387 >>214049654
>>214048904
>why does he wear the hat
Anonymous No.214049439
>>214049284
It's right there in my first post, the winter has to be as big as it's made to be, if it ends as soon as it reaches winterfell it's going to be shit no matter how may pages you have to flesh it out.
It cannot be a sideshow to cersei being a cunt, it has to be the main event.
You seem to be the one with trouble reading 4chan posts.
Anonymous No.214049457
>>214047097 (OP)
This what happens when you don't have a concept of ending before you start writing a story.
Anonymous No.214049460
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg_a-5Zy58g
>April 2032 at his current progress
Anonymous No.214049477
>>214047948
>it's regarded as the superior version.
It's still an imperfect version. It assumes in the outset that the viewer had previously seen the 2003 edition, since Brotherhood skips too much stuff.
Anonymous No.214049594 >>214049856 >>214049974 >>214051574 >>214051823 >>214058533
>>214049023
The show ignored the premise of subverting the percieved 'edginess', and instead started identifying itself as being a show that revels in killing good guys.
The stuff that happened in the North after the Boltons took over is probably the best example I can remember.
After GGRM set up a standard fantasy world, he famously subverted expectations by killing off Ned, the hero, in the first book. At this point the audience was tricked into viewing the honorable approach Ned took as naive and stupid, and that the self-serving pragmatism of the Lannister's was the 'smart' way to act - which is where the 'edgy' interpretation comes from.
Except later on when Stannis is trying to take the North back, we see various houses and tribes willing to fight alongside Stannis for the sake of putting Ned's children back in control - for absolutely no benefit to themselves. They were still loyal to 'The Ned's' ghost simply because they liked him so much - culminating in the whole 'The North Remembers' speech.
Meanwhile the Lannister's were losing grasp on everything, because betraying everybody you come in contact with leaves you with no allies - except those who are happy to betray you too.
GRRM managed to subvert his own subversion, because at heart he isn't some creep who just wants to see rape in LotR. He just finds the story of good overcoming evil in the darkest of circumstances more compelling when the evil is more grounded and human, being represented by greed, short sightedness and petty squabbles for power, rather than the more classical, mythic evil in LotR.
The show, of course, threw all of this away. The subplot of the northern houses rallying behind Ned's children was cut and even as late as S7/8 we were listening to Sansa/Arya monologue about how stupid Ned was for being nice, and that they were smarter because they had the ability to behave like ruthless sociopaths - entirely missing the point.
Anonymous No.214049654
>>214049387
White walker head lookin ass
Anonymous No.214049738 >>214049875
>>214049234
I was poking this fag with my dick when this was written. Sorry about that denty head kid
Anonymous No.214049796
>>214049023
>I dont get what people would want to see out of an ending
the northern conspiracy play out, on my end. wash the dumpster juice taste of the show's reluctant uprising out of my mouth, please. the north remembers, my ass
Anonymous No.214049856
>>214049594
>because at heart he isn't some creep who just wants to see rape in LotR.

I really believe he is, mostly because he drank the popularity kool aid and it went over his head.

Moreover, if you follow the original plan described in his letter to the publisher, the original idea was to have a civil war between houses, then those house had to come together to fight a bigger threath (Daenerys and her barbarians). Then In book three all of them would to come together to fight an EVEN bigger theath; the Others from beyond the wall.

But you could see the change of hearth as soon as book two when, as a reaction to the reception of his first book, he expanded the story into a septology. And the only way he could expand it is by making each chapter almost self contained scene about fantasy rape. With each books starting from the second, the story would become less about reaching an end, but more of a frame for whatever grim thing he could imagine, because thats what he likes to write about and also because of positive fan reaction. It was a slow process but by book 4 you could seee that he had no idea about what to do with the story and wrote more or less because it was easy and it would sell.
Anonymous No.214049875 >>214060192
>>214049738
bro don't call him a fag AND a kid
Anonymous No.214049914
>>214047239
Even if he could that is still one book short. Only way he could have finished it in time is if he became the man that wrote up until Storm of Swords
Anonymous No.214049926 >>214049980
>>214047097 (OP)
Why is he always wearing those stupid fucking hats?
Anonymous No.214049962
>>214048698
You mean like the night king? Or dorn? Or Eurons shenanigans? Or stannis the mannis somehow being the only survivor if a massive battle just for Brienne of fucking Tarth stumble on him while she happens to be menstruating thus sealing his fate?
Anonymous No.214049974
>>214049594
>he isn't some creep who just wants to see rape in LotR
he absolutely is, there's no reason to go as extra as he did on most of this disgusting shit
but i think what you mean to say is "he isn't JUST some creep who [...]." it's true that in the end he'll probably honor a classic retribution to all the greatest wrongs committed. but it's like the end of a hentai where the bad guys get killed after lengthy gangrapes shot in loving detail.
Anonymous No.214049980
>>214049926
to look more like a whimsical gnome and because he is balding terribly.
Anonymous No.214050324
>>214048171
If he continued at the pace and quality as he did up until Storm of Swords he absolutely would be regarded as quintessential in fantasy, not quite on Tolkien's tier for the simple fact that he decades of material to use as opposed to Tolkien, but still highly regarded as perhaps the greatest fantasy writer in our time. The problem is right when that book came out he lost control, if you go back and read 4 & 5 now you can see where he just started plopping down whatever the fuck came into his mind. I think George is probably just kind of a lazy guy, and when he saw a chance to split did so.
Anonymous No.214050875 >>214051216
>>214048002
He has this idea since the beginning: the last dragon shitting on the Iron Throne after Dany's death. I know you won't believe it, but he told me while drunk one day. He described it in great details. Said that part was already written. I'm not his friend btw, I just work for him. He's only a good employer when he's drunk. He's drunk a lot since the last 15 years. Can't say anything about the state of his book since I don't work indoors and he always keeps his calls private in the car.
Anonymous No.214050957 >>214055058
>>214048548
I have to disagree. Have you read the series recently? The books are plainly at the midpoint of the totality of the story, things are just starting to move towards major conflict. There is not an author alive today that could resolve everything in two books without moving at ridiculously fast speeds, completely in contrast to the rest of the series. It absolutely needs three books, maybe even more depending on the scale of the final conflict.
Anonymous No.214050991
>>214047951
>Not somebody who knows the difference between a flamberge and a claymore.
A type of blade pattern made purely for decoration versus a sword of varying length and configuration based on the time period the term was used?

No anon, I'm afraid it is you who doesn't know.
Anonymous No.214051216
>>214050875
Jokes aside, I am 100 % sure that Dragon melting the Iron Throne in last episode was Martin's idea
Anonymous No.214051262 >>214051860
>>214049023
>Because even if he would finish it, I dont get what people would want to see out of an ending.
Confirmation of the cosmology of the ASoIAF world, both the nature of the seasons and the gods that allegedly watch over their world. There's quite a few questions left in the air that are far, FAR more interesting than who is sitting on the Iron Throne. That is a driving force in the series for many characters, but it's by no means the actual plot of the books. The books really are quite different from the show, there's far more questions left dangling that readers want to have answered badly.
Anonymous No.214051283 >>214057703
>>214047597
Someone please get Trump to tweet about this shit somehow. I just know that GRRM would get motivated to finish so long as he knew it would spite le orange man.
Anonymous No.214051454
>>214047097 (OP)
He knows nobody gives a shit now. Mary Sue made her heel turn and fucked everything up, exactly what he spent 4,000 pages trying to imply wouldn't happen.
Anonymous No.214051544 >>214051704 >>214063226
I think the more interesting question is which author will finish the series after fatso dies. The answer most people give is brando sando but I feel like its too anti-mormon for that nerd.
Anonymous No.214051574
>>214049594
I agree with the others, insofar as I am quite sure Martin does find pleasure in creating these sort of macabre events with rape, betrayal, and slaughter. At the same time, he also likes an ending where fundamentally good people win. I agree with your ultimate point, which is that George is very much so not JUST writing gore porn, it all builds up to a satisfying conclusion (for the most part) in which good triumphs over evil. I think we all know that while reading. The show definitely did take the wrong message from it, I agree.
Anonymous No.214051704
>>214051544
Just to spite him, Simon Tolkein should finish them.
Anonymous No.214051823 >>214052514 >>214054710
>>214049594
>rather than the more classical, mythic evil in LotR.
ANOTHER person who hasn't even read Lord of the Rings yet criticizes a strawman of it. Holy shit anon, get it together.
Anonymous No.214051860
>>214051262
Mystery box writers are always making up shit as they go along.
Anonymous No.214051927 >>214052514 >>214052543 >>214053126
>>214049023
>ASOIAF
>"nihilist"
confirmed zoomer retard who hasn't read the books, the point is that the world actually isn't a terrible and horrid place but the people IN the world have the power to be terrible agents of both good and evil. The main heroes are unlikely outliers in society, they are cripples, bastards, dwarves (Tyrion is worse in the books though, he's getting a different arc). That your perceived notion of a "hero" comes from different and sometimes unexpected places.

It's not fucking "nihilism" you tardling, it's cautious optimism that the Long Night WILL end, that people will succeed over their better nature if they work at it.
Anonymous No.214052088 >>214052686
>>214049023
just go back to talking about danny shitting. you're beyond clueless
Anonymous No.214052514
>>214051927
>>214048774
>>214049138
Nooooo you clearly not read da books
It's hilarious gurm simps ALWAYS come out with this childish line when they invariably show their utter ignorance of even basic literature like Tolkien >>214051823
Anonymous No.214052543 >>214053121
>>214051927
>cripples
sitting in a cave doing nothing
>bastards
gets stabbed after doing fuck all
>dwarves
even you had to immediately correct yourself on this
There are no heroes in the books. They are childish nihistic nonsense
Anonymous No.214052627
>>214047097 (OP)
we know, that's why he isn't finishing them
Anonymous No.214052684 >>214053118
>>214047097 (OP)
The ending was not bad. The execution was bad.
The general concept of how this all ends was fine. But they butchered everything, minor plotlines left unsolved, unsatisfying fight scenes, bad cinematography, bad dialogue, bad acting etc etc

For instance, Arya killing the NK is fine. What's not fine is how it happened in the show with the bullshit jump and dagger hand switch.
Anonymous No.214052686 >>214055237
>>214047097 (OP)
>>214052088
Daily reminder THIS is his actual ending
Anonymous No.214052702
>>214047597
>30+ years later
>He still has no idea how to structure and end the series
He gave up.
Anonymous No.214052709
Anonymous No.214053118 >>214053252
>>214052684
>The ending was not bad. The execution was bad.
disagree, leftoids hated because of danaerys ending which they didn't understand because they lack media literacy, but jaime ending, pure cringe, genuinely embarrassing for a professional writer to miss the point this badly
Anonymous No.214053121 >>214053271
>>214052543
you truly don't know what nihilism is or even means.
Anonymous No.214053126 >>214053219
>>214051927
>trying to twist kikeslop into something palatable
Many such cases
Anonymous No.214053219 >>214053299 >>214055758
>>214053126
Hes not even Jewish wtf are you babbling about?
Anonymous No.214053220
He's also assmad that fans from a decade ago were already creating their own theorized conclusions that ended up sounding way better than what he intended to write.
Anonymous No.214053251 >>214053559 >>214053873 >>214054297 >>214055532 >>214059428 >>214059927 >>214064394 >>214064593 >>214065324 >>214065393 >>214066410 >>214066975
what's your favourite house?
Anonymous No.214053252 >>214053302
>>214053118
>genuinely embarrassing for a professional writer to miss the point this badly
the fans are the ones who missed the point, Jamie was never on no redemption arc
Anonymous No.214053271 >>214053315
>>214053121
>No response, just childish petulance
I accept your concession
Anonymous No.214053299 >>214053333
>>214053219
Anonymous No.214053302 >>214053425
>>214053252
>Jamie was never on no redemption arc
This is the only way to wrap up the character in a satisfying way even if it involves him dying. Not redeeming him would be a dogshit story
Anonymous No.214053315 >>214053476
>>214053271
It's not a concession? The text isn't very complicated, the message isn't "nihilism good" and you clearly don't know what that word fucking means.
Anonymous No.214053333 >>214053342 >>214054151 >>214055758
>>214053299
George Martin, the author, is not Jewish...
Anonymous No.214053342 >>214053352
>>214053333
WASTED
Anonymous No.214053352
>>214053342
You lost, Kek wills it
Anonymous No.214053396
Danyfags btfo
Anonymous No.214053425
>>214053302
This is true, but that was the writers intention the whole time is my point
As I think you said in an earlier post, 'it's not the ending just the execution' is just a sad cope
Anonymous No.214053476 >>214054251
>>214053315
>The text isn't very complicated
Correct, it is just a complete mess
>the message isn't "nihilism good"
Never said it was. Nevertheless the text is unconsciously nihilistic
Anonymous No.214053559
>>214053251
celtigar is based
Anonymous No.214053632
>>214047097 (OP)
This dude is a grade A sellout. Book series isn't even finished and you sell the rights and allow a stupid show to outpace the source material and just sit there blubbering like a blob of shit for 10 years.
Anonymous No.214053873 >>214054121
>>214053251
House Liddle
Anonymous No.214054121
>>214053873
Fie on that. The buckets of Wull are where it's at.
Anonymous No.214054151 >>214054276 >>214063941
>>214053333
About that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjCdPVnIguw
Anonymous No.214054162
who cares? when he does die Tad Williams can just finish the books since he's already written them and George just stole everything from him
Anonymous No.214054251
>>214053476
Wtf does it mean to be "unconsciously" nihilistic? Are you on the spectrum? It's not nihilism, there's no nihilistic message you ESL faggot, the text isn't arguing that the world is doomed, it argues that the unlikeliest people are probably destined to step up and "save" the world, but "saving" not in the western classical sense, because Westeros is going to change for either the better or worse.

You have no idea what in the living fuck you are talking about
Anonymous No.214054276 >>214054361 >>214054570
>>214054151
Spark notes your link for me, I don't have the energy to deal with polcels
Anonymous No.214054297
>>214053251
Bracken, blackfyre, peake, Hightower, Lannister and Baratheon
Anonymous No.214054361 >>214054392
>>214054276
>my attention span is too cooked to watch the first 5 seconds of a 3-minute video, please help
'fraid you'll have to bray for one of the assisted living home caretakers to help you with that one, cretin.
Anonymous No.214054392 >>214054414 >>214054434
>>214054361
Some of us work, anon. I don't have schizo time in my schedule to look at YouTube videos because something something Jews something something
Anonymous No.214054414 >>214054546
>>214054392
>hall monitoring a /tv/ thread
>"Some of us work"
Anonymous No.214054434 >>214054508
>>214054392
Yes I'm sure you're one of the top people in the field of being factually wrong on 4channel.org and having a hissyfit about it.
You utterly useless sperg.
Anonymous No.214054508 >>214054537 >>214054682
>>214054434
Ok? George Martin still isn't Jewish so idk why you are malding over it
Anonymous No.214054537 >>214054583
>>214054508
Didn't he find out his grandpa was chucked by a Jew?
Anonymous No.214054546
>>214054414
Making fun of you isn't "Hall monitor-ing", we call it shitposting here.
Anonymous No.214054570 >>214054603
>>214054276
You couldn't infer from the title?
Anonymous No.214054583 >>214054629
>>214054537
No clue, sounds made up. That wouldn't even make him Jewish by Jewish standards.
Anonymous No.214054603
>>214054570
Bro I didn't even click it lol
Anonymous No.214054629 >>214054747
>>214054583
I looked, he went on PBS and found his roots. He is 22.4% Ashkenazi Jewish apparently
Anonymous No.214054682 >>214054772 >>214054794
>>214054508
Again, I've just linked you a video of George finding out that he's 22% jewish, that is to say that his grandfather was jewish which under the law of return entitles him to Israeli citizenship.
A normal person would have seen that and, having been confronted with insurmountable proof of being wrong, modify their worldview to adhere to reality. Of course you're a subnormal retard so instead you choose to have a cognitive dissonance-induced mental breakdown which you for some reason decided to share with the rest of the world.
Anonymous No.214054710
>>214051823
how is that a critique of LotR
Anonymous No.214054736 >>214054823 >>214054870 >>214055987
>>214047097 (OP)
>>214047201
It is obvious. There are even hints of Dany losing her mind in the book he did write. The difference would be, presumably, he would build up her madness so it didn't seem so sudden.
Anonymous No.214054747
>>214054629
Ok so I was right?
Anonymous No.214054772 >>214064015
>>214054682
This isn't pol, retard. It's not "le one drop", being 22 percent isn't going to grant you Israeli citizenship, that's not how law of return works.
Anonymous No.214054794 >>214064015
>>214054682
>calling me stupid is "a meltdown"
every time. Why are you people so wildly emotional, every time?
Anonymous No.214054823 >>214054838
>>214054736
Lame to have two Targs go mad in a row. Especially since she didn't want to be like her father. Almost like she knows she has that weakness
Anonymous No.214054838 >>214054891
>>214054823
I honestly think it's right in line with George's writing to make them both go mad, it's funny as fuck if that happens in the books.
Anonymous No.214054870 >>214054925
>>214054736
>so it didn't seem so sudden
how was it sudden you feminist cuck? she acted like a lunatic for a good 3 seasons before the finale
Anonymous No.214054891 >>214054933
>>214054838
Perhaps. Still seems kind of lazy.
Anonymous No.214054925 >>214058271
>>214054870
>she acted like a lunatic for a good 3 seasons before the finale
No she didn't you fucking retard
Anonymous No.214054933 >>214054971 >>214066920
>>214054891
Her becoming fantasy girl boss Lincoln of Essos is fanfiction bullshit and everything in the books points to her going insane though.
Anonymous No.214054971
>>214054933
Probably. My mistake was being interested in the Others and the Wall when clearly George likes the political drama more.
Anonymous No.214055025
>>214047948
It turns into shounen fighting garbage at the end. 03 is superior.
Anonymous No.214055058 >>214055200
>>214050957
a book can be any size
Anonymous No.214055075 >>214055108 >>214055359
Where can I email George?
I want to harass him about Winds and Spring so his moral goes even lower
Anonymous No.214055108
>>214055075
It's "morale".
Anonymous No.214055200
>>214055058
Sure. But there is a limit on what can be feasibly published and marketed to consumers. All publishers place limits for obvious reasons. Can it be completed adequately with two 3,000 page novels? Probably. Will it be? No.
Anonymous No.214055237 >>214055359
>>214052686
Why did he write this? He had to know it'd be satirized endlessly.
Anonymous No.214055265
>>214047201
>But there's literally no other reason why he wouldn't finish the books.
He's just too comfortable with being lazy. And yet still not humble enough to just hire a ghostwriter to finish it for him.
He could just hire Brandon Sanderson to finish it for him from whatever outline he wants to provide, or not.
Anonymous No.214055344 >>214055374
>>214047201
The show can't align with his plan for the books. Half the characters as described are nothing like their novel counterparts. There's a 0% chance any of it is the same save Bran winning the Iron Throne, and maybe the Hound perishing in his battle with Clegane. Most of the rest of it is necessarily headcanon.
Anonymous No.214055359 >>214055427
>>214055075
dont worry he's a perpetually online sperg, he sees us all shitting on him and it hurts him
>>214055237
>muh realism
Anonymous No.214055374 >>214055541
>>214055344
We will never know because he will never finish.
Anonymous No.214055427
>>214055359
Nice.
Anonymous No.214055433
Does every popular TV show have to be absolutely 97 IQ fodder?
Anonymous No.214055465 >>214055771
>>214047097 (OP)
>gets to see the response to his series ending in advance
>everyone thinks it's retarded
>rather than take the golden opportunity to generate a different ending, he bitches out
Cunt
Anonymous No.214055500 >>214055527
How much creative freedom does he have over the rest of the story? Is he under any obligation towards HBO to write anything resembling the tv ending? If he is then he's cucked. If he isn't he's shit out of ideas.
Anonymous No.214055527 >>214055575
>>214055500
Nothing can justify the 14+ year wait.
Anonymous No.214055532 >>214056305 >>214066573
>>214053251
/tv/ is Blackwood soil
Anonymous No.214055541
>>214055374
This.
I honestly do not understand all this shit about 'is it gurm's ending?'
Gurmw ill not have an ending, you have to be utterly delusional to think otherwise at this point.
Anonymous No.214055552 >>214055746
>>214047097 (OP)
If you wrote a page every time you made a thread you could have finished the book ages ago George.
Anonymous No.214055575
>>214055527
Being cucked by HBO or shit out of ideas
Anonymous No.214055632 >>214056057 >>214056466
That was pretty obvious, no one actually thought for a second that anticlimax man was going to actually let the Aegon/Young Griff story go anywhere, and once you cut his shit out, you just need to trim a few other branches are bam, you're mostly where the show ended. Like whoa dude you cut Darkstar too? Why yes I did.
R+L=J, Dany going crazy, Battle of the Bastards, all obvious set ups from the book everyone predicted years ago.
Anonymous No.214055746
>>214055552
You could have written four Dream of Springs'
Anonymous No.214055758 >>214055794
>>214053219
>>214053333
Bait or retarded?
Anonymous No.214055771 >>214055807 >>214055889 >>214056243
>>214055465
I don't know how it could even be remotely the same ending, entire characters don't exist in the show that are integral to the plot of the book.
Anonymous No.214055794
>>214055758
Are you?
Anonymous No.214055807 >>214056208
>>214055771
Name 10
The ending is still easily attained with the rape voyeur, midget, roasty and I dunt wannit
Anonymous No.214055818
>>214047620
Because if he openly says to fans he will never end it, than all his future projects will tank. Noone will have faith in his projects.
Anonymous No.214055889 >>214056690
>>214055771
> that are integral to the plot of the book.
You do not know what is integral to the plot until it is actually completed, espceally when gurm loves anticlimaxes so much
Anonymous No.214055981 >>214061506
>>214048698
>as the winter is over in one episode
Having winter over in just one book would also feel rushed, which is why he can't do it. Think about it, the War of Five Kings STILL isn't fully resolved after five books. Dany's invasion is going to be resolved in just one? The Others invasion is going to be resolve in just one too? It can't work, so he doesn't either.
Anonymous No.214055987
>>214054736
She will probably go crazy if Griff conquers Westeros first which is likely to happen.
Anonymous No.214056047
>>214047097 (OP)
He can, but he won't because he doesn't give a shit. He's as rich as Oprah now, and just wants to enjoy retirement without giving any fucks about the fans wanting him to finish the story.
Anonymous No.214056057
>>214055632
Victarionbros?? Are we not gonna make it??
Anonymous No.214056058
>>214047097 (OP)
Well that and Books 4 and 5 were actually poorly received by the original asoiaf fans before the HBO show and the normies started piling into them. He was still really butthurt by how much people really hated Book 5, so when the show watchers are saying the show went to Shit in the later seasons, and those were basically his high level notes on the overall plot and ending, obviously he is even more butthurt and for sure not going to finish them now.
Anonymous No.214056208 >>214056348 >>214057541
>>214055807
Victarion
Young Griff
Connington
Quentyn
Arianne
Aeron


I guess not ten but that's a lot.
Anonymous No.214056243 >>214056346
>>214055771
Darkstar, Arienne, Victarion, Wyman Manderley, Lady Stoneheart, book Euron, fAegon and all the other characters bookfags whine about were properly established in books 4-5 but none of their stories seem nowhere near complete, so it's impossible to know how integral they are to the main story, maybe they all turn out to be another Quentyn and D&Ds cut them all to save time and not confuse audience with more retarded characters.

Obviously some old characters like Bronn, Jaime and Cercei are gonna have vastly different endings from the show, but main story beats are gonna be the same.
Anonymous No.214056305
>>214055532
Blackwood is Reddit personified
Anonymous No.214056346
>>214056243
>faegon
>not about to be the most important character in Westeros
retard, he has the Golden Company and is about to wreck up the Stormlands.
Anonymous No.214056348 >>214056396
>>214056208
Young Griff is gonna play the same role as Cercei in show, Joncon probably gonna go mad and blowup wildfire under the sept. Lmao @ Quetyn who is waste of time even in books and Aeron who is 5 seconds away from death in that one spoiler chapter
Anonymous No.214056396 >>214056461
>>214056348
Are you arguing that Young Griff isn't important now? Is that the cope?
Anonymous No.214056461 >>214056490
>>214056396
He is important, but it's safer to give his role in story to other established character because it's hard to properly introduce major player so late in the game
Anonymous No.214056466 >>214056507 >>214056687
>>214055632
it's crazy how much people will argue that fAegon's story matters
Anonymous No.214056490 >>214056699
>>214056461
Giving it to another character literally makes no fucking sense in the show though. Nobody has ever remotely mentioned the blackfyres in the show.
Anonymous No.214056507 >>214062141
>>214056466
Because it's obvious he's actually the baby that Vary's smuggled and the meme will be that not even Griff believes he's a Targ but hell bond with one of Dany's dragons.
Anonymous No.214056687
>>214056466
I will admit, when I read the books myself I felt like it was a massive red herring. I suppose we will...well we'll never find out, who the fuck cares at this point
Anonymous No.214056690
>>214055889
I can say correctly what's currently integral to the plot I can already read, anon. Whether you think it's good or not, there IS a plot.
Anonymous No.214056699 >>214056742
>>214056490
Blackfyre Rebellions were something George came up during working on book 4, Daemon Blackfyre is mentioned once as traitor in book 3, but it's never elaborated on, it's actually second Dunc & Egg story where Daemon and Bloodraven were properly introduced
Anonymous No.214056742
>>214056699
Right...I said the show, anon.
Anonymous No.214056940
>>214047097 (OP)
Neither the books nor show were ever anywhere near as good as anyone said they are.
The books especially are very mediocre and not well written at all.
The only reason either was ever popular is because it appeals to midwits.
Anonymous No.214057541
>>214056208
>read the book 14 years ago
>I don't remember any of these characters besides their names and maybe the vaguest of outlines who they are
Even if the books releases tomorrow I would've no idea what's going on without researching every 3rd character on a wiki of ice and fire.
Anonymous No.214057703
>>214051283
This would actually work perfectly.
Anonymous No.214057827
>>214047597
>haha I just make shit up
this just proves this fat fuck cornered himself and doesn't know how to finish the story
Anonymous No.214058189 >>214058311 >>214063193
There are only 3 words needed to change everything and build the road to a better ending: N + A = J. Most faggots canโ€™t fathom this very simple and logical notion. He could do it but he wonโ€™t because Martin is old, lazy and too much of a leftist goof to do write stuff that could offend his liberal friends.
Anonymous No.214058271
>>214054925
>another liberal that lacks basic media literacy
Anonymous No.214058311 >>214061159
>>214058189
how would that be "offensive"? It would just be very surprising and subversive because the spoiler is out of the bag for years now and it would be a weird case of a pre-retcon.
Anonymous No.214058533
>>214049594
Based and I agree with the take. GRRM is a secret idealist.
Anonymous No.214058847 >>214060108
>>214048002
ADWD ends with Varis killing Kevan Lannister and proclaiming that his perfect prince is in Westeros and even that Dany chapter ends with her meeting the Dothraki with Drogon by her side. You disingenuous faggot.
Anonymous No.214058898
>>214047097 (OP)
He's busy coaching the boys up.
Anonymous No.214059428 >>214063855
>>214053251

Daynes are cool as fuck with the hottest girls plus they have Darkstar for shits and giggles in their lesser house.
Anonymous No.214059537
>>214059164
Anonymous No.214059927
>>214053251
Ravenclaw
Anonymous No.214060108
>>214058847
>nooo you heckin CHUD, the real ending is gurm's self insert looking intot he screen and telling us the one who sit on the Iron Throne is some kid we thought was dead until this book.
Some an even hackier ending than Dany shitting herself to death in a field, although not quite as thematically appropriate
Anonymous No.214060192
>>214049875
Hey, don't tell him what to do!
Anonymous No.214060285 >>214064904
JRR Tolkien sends his regards.
Anonymous No.214060450 >>214061199
>>214047597
>write new tv shows.
He's never done this, he was a glorified consultant on the show. Same with Elden Ring, they just stuck his name on for marketing and had him write a couple of item descriptions or whatever
Anonymous No.214061159
>>214058311
Targfags are leftists and rhaegar life amounting to nothing would be offensive
Anonymous No.214061199 >>214061382
>>214060450
>>write new tv shows.
>He's never done this,
Anonymous No.214061257 >>214061382
>GRRM is such a bad writer but i'm really really angry I can't read his next book
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Anonymous No.214061263
>>214048851
It's not about speed.
You could argue that in book 4 of harry potter the ending doesn't need to be written, and it wasn't, and anyone claiming it was is lying.
But book 5 was written with the ending already in the drawer, as it's the first you can trace clear foreshadows to it.
Anonymous No.214061382 >>214061405
>>214061199
>erm aksually he was a failed TV writer from the 80's!
>>214061257
Only one angry here is you samefag
Anonymous No.214061383
>>214048458
they were also jews
Anonymous No.214061391 >>214063512
The biggest plot hole in ASOIAF is how the fuck didn't Ned Stark never once thought about R+L=J? Was he shielding his thoughts from the readers? Or is George just a hack that realized that would ruin his mystery box and just decided to throw coherence out of the window?
Anonymous No.214061403
>>214047097 (OP)
GURM, please die, sincerely- everybody.
Anonymous No.214061405 >>214061504
>>214061382
>Only one angry here is you samefag
It's my first post here and I'm just noticing things, that's all
Anonymous No.214061504
>>214061405
>It's my first post here and I'm just noticing things, that's all
Prove it
Anonymous No.214061506 >>214061560 >>214061580
>>214055981
THEN HE SHOULD WRITE MORE THAN SEVEN BOOKS FFS
Anonymous No.214061560
>>214061506
>Can't write six books
>THEN HE SHOULD WRITE MORE 8 PLUS BOOKS FFS
holy retard anon
Anonymous No.214061580
>>214061506
14 years and he hasn't finished the 6th book.
It's not a bottle neck, it's an excuse.
No chance of two more books, much less the required amount to give us a satisfying ending.
Anonymous No.214062141 >>214063238
>>214056507
How about this... when he takes King's Landing a certain big black tomcat with a torn ear takes an instant liking to him. Iykyk
Anonymous No.214062995 >>214063269
>>214048373
I never finished the fourth book because it was so shit compared to ASoS
Anonymous No.214063046
>>214048904
It's called a fat guy hat
Anonymous No.214063193
>>214058189
if that was true then george wouldnt be as good as he was on pace to be, your end demonstrates how well of a writer grrm is that we can sit here and both argue that N+A=J is true while the whole story works with R+L=J. Denying how well grrm set that up is just contrarianism
Anonymous No.214063226
>>214051544
Sanderson wouldn't agree anyway. He already did it once and has his own sperg fandom now
Anonymous No.214063238 >>214063593
>>214062141
that tom cat is whats her name, fuck i forget, used to think it was three eyed warging it to have arya follow but its another targ woman with warg powers of old, fuck i cant think of the name and refuse to google it
Anonymous No.214063257
why are people reading or watching his new series?? seems insane to me after he fucked us on the first.
Anonymous No.214063269
>>214062995
feast is for Jaime chads and those with above room temperature IQ, dance however, is terrible
Anonymous No.214063290 >>214063351 >>214063371 >>214063432
the TV ending was based on a bunch of early drafts for the books. even george doesn't know how the books will actually end.
Anonymous No.214063332
>>214047597
>He's just not motivated
That's because he already has 99% of the money the series will ever earn him.
Anonymous No.214063351
>>214063290
this isnt true at all, old nan lays out the entire story in book one, the rest is dressing, literally everyone knows the mereen issue and danny is the cause of it not being concluded on print, dont let anyone fool you, he fucked himself beyond fixing, its not possible, its literally math, without a timeskip, fantastical dream, montage, or some bullshit, george has no way to get marywyn and co to danny, along with placing euron
Anonymous No.214063371 >>214063815
>>214063290
Let me spoil it for you: The Author, dead on a toilet seat, a callback to Tywin.
Anonymous No.214063405
>>214047097 (OP)
So him wanting to copy the end of Return of the King was just shooting the shit?
Anonymous No.214063432
>>214063290
>even george doesn't know how the books will actually end.
George fat fuck Martin will be dead when the books get finished.
Anonymous No.214063493
>>214047097 (OP)
Can't or Won't
Anonymous No.214063512 >>214064204
>>214061391
He thought about it constantly
>Promise me, Ned
Is repeated like, 100 times during his internal narration.
Anonymous No.214063593 >>214063615 >>214063679
>>214063238
The theory I've seen is that 3-year old Princess Rhaenys who was dragged from her bed and slaughtered warned into her little black kitten and had been waging guerrilla war ever since. Scratching Joff's hand, stealing a capon from Lord Tywin, spying on Tommen etc etc.
Anonymous No.214063615
>>214063593
*warged
Anonymous No.214063679
>>214063593
yes thats it, its 100% her, trust the autist in my from years of theory crafting. For the longest, i attributed all animals leadings to Three eye, like mormonts raven. But theres more autistic anons then I that identified some passages etc that link that cat to a young princess, thanks for the name friend,
Anonymous No.214063815
>>214063371
its funny you say that, tywin was going to die from having the shits, thats why he was on the toilet, i suppose its a weird way of grrm giving tyrion some sort of cop out for the reader to still like him, ah he was gonna die anyway, bc Tywin 100% was going to die whether tyrion shot him or not
Anonymous No.214063855
>>214059428
Darkstar is unironically my favorite character because George randomly inserting an edgy anime anti-hero into his super serious medieval political fantasy drama is hilarious
I want more Darkstar
Anonymous No.214063941
>>214054151
>one of georges ancestors got cucked by a jew
lol, lmao even
Anonymous No.214064015
>>214054772
>>214054794 (one minute apart samefag)
>(a)The rights of a Jew under this Law and the rights of an oleh under the Nationality Law, 5712--1952), as well as the rights of an oleh under any other enactment, are also vested in a child and a grandchild of a Jew, the spouse of a Jew, the spouse of a child of a Jew and the spouse of a grandchild of a Jew, except for a person who has been a Jew and has voluntarily changed his religion.
Go on, cry a bit more and just make up some shit out of thin air so you don't have to interact with the uncomfortable reality vexes you so.
How do idiots like you even function in daily life?
Anonymous No.214064173 >>214064214
>>214047097 (OP)
Imagine if after years of annoyance and now finally mostly apathy as everybody has accepted the series will never be finished, he just subverts everybody's expectations and quietly releases the last two books back to back without any fanfare. That would be so funny
Anonymous No.214064204 >>214064794
>>214063512
He's saying that it's extremely odd and contrived writing that Ned never once in his internal monologue ever actually specifies what he feels guilty and secret of about regarding Jon and Lyana.

Like when I think about things I regret, I actually think about them. I don't just vaguely think
> "Ah, that time "that" happened, I still can't bring myself to forgive me for "that", if anyone ever found out about "that" then I don't know what I'd do...
As if I was aware an audience of people in a higher dimension were reading my thoughts as a book and I didn't want to spoil them about my past.
Anonymous No.214064214 >>214064254
>>214064173
He actually said that him writing two books at same time is the dumbest theory
Anonymous No.214064254
>>214064214
I didn't say anything about writing two books at the same time, I said releasing two books at the same time.
Anonymous No.214064307 >>214064343
>>214047097 (OP)
It doesn't matter because let's say by magic somehow he finishes Winters and releases it by next month
Okay...but we still have Dream of Spring and that would take another 15 years so there's no fucking point in hoping for this loser anymore
Anonymous No.214064343 >>214065365
>>214064307
AND if he did manage to release both, no way is he wrapping up all his plot threads in a satisfying way in only two books.
Anonymous No.214064394
>>214053251
Boltons.
Anonymous No.214064426
My headcanon coping mechanism for the fact that the books will forever sit at only five out of seven entries is that Jon Snow truly was the chosen one, and this book series was his story, but as the ultimate subversion George killed off the chosen one before his story could be completed and now we'll never know what happens because Jon will never know what happened, because he died.

Too bad about the stupid epilogue chapter right after it.
Anonymous No.214064520
>>214047097 (OP)
Him lying to us and himself that he will finish it is his magnum copus.
Anonymous No.214064537 >>214065193
>>214047097 (OP)
>Tv ending was mostly his ending

See his crashout panep with Sandersonโ€” he's anti-'hard magic systems' (just like D&D), and that's exactly what dragged down the show and invariably the novels. Prophecy and magic are integral to the narrative(s) and factions, and this hippy Boomer pinko Reddit fedora atheist simp simply cannot fathom this, and lacks the humility to have the publisher hire researchers to AI scrape fan theories so he can crowdsource something marketable and interesting, if that TV finale bullshit is the end he had in mind.

>>214047630
>Not flexing to it being Cersei's master stroke, which makes Danaerys' rule completely untenable
>Cersei's en route to Lannisport-Stalingrad/Berlin 1944 with Euron's fleet threatening the North from the West

The show shark jumps are too many to count. All the good directors in the late seasons were on deck to unfuck the original pilot, which literal amateurs D&D bungled.
Anonymous No.214064593
>>214053251
Lannisters are cool if you're loyal to them
Anonymous No.214064614 >>214064660
Was Tywin REALLY gonna send Tyrion to the Black, or would he have allowed them to execute him?
Anonymous No.214064660 >>214064822
>>214064614
While I'm sure deep down tywin would have loved the chance to kill Tyrion, he probably believed that his house is reputation would be severely hurt if he became known as the man who intentionally executed his own son.
So I think he would allow him to join the nights watch, but not because he actually cared about him.
Anonymous No.214064729
Does nobody have the screencap of the post talking about how Martin can't finish the books because he can't write heroes because he himself is a villain? I can't find it.
Anonymous No.214064794
>>214064204
Did it bother you that every character didn't think about shitting once a day and pissing 5 or so times a day mid narration?
Anonymous No.214064822
>>214064660
There's a way easier workaround, he lets someone else kill Tyrion. He was never giving him anything.
Anonymous No.214064904
>>214060285
look at what happened to his franchise
Anonymous No.214064924
>>214047108
He was supposed to finish the books as they were progressing through the show. They should've forced him to finish the books before greenlighting anything.
Anonymous No.214065193 >>214065252 >>214065260
>>214064537
>he's anti-'hard magic systems' (just like D&D)
D&D are against magic in general and tried to write it out of the story as much as possible.
Anonymous No.214065252
>>214065193
That's because they're jews. The jew fears the Archmagi.
Anonymous No.214065260
>>214065193
>remove most magic from the series
>have the tree people literally throw fireballs at the zombies
i think they just had no idea what they were doing
Anonymous No.214065290
Anonymous No.214065324
>>214053251
Tully!

Riverrun and Tully!
Anonymous No.214065365 >>214065388
>>214064343
Yeah the old fart got himself into a corner by making everything too damn bloated with hundreds of characters going around doing bullshit with their own agendas
May be he should just boost up ck3 GOT mod and let it run for a few years and write after it lmao
Anonymous No.214065388 >>214065425
>>214065365
He hates fan fiction, and fan fiction is how the story will wrap itself up after he dies.
Poetic.
Anonymous No.214065393
>>214053251
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJf3ZShNtX4&list=RDyJf3ZShNtX4&t=44s
Anonymous No.214065425 >>214065490
>>214065388
George is only 76.
With the best healthcare HBO and his jilted publishers can buy he'll be able to stretch out this mummer's farce for at least ten more years.
Anonymous No.214065488
>>214048884
GRRM.
Anonymous No.214065490 >>214065551
>>214065425
HBO doesn't give a shit lol
Remember his deleted hotd rant?
Anonymous No.214065551
>>214065490
They can give negative shits. They've already paid him.
Anonymous No.214065702
>>214049023
In the books Euron might summon krakens, destroy Oldtown, ride a dragon, transmogrify his body into a giant floating tentacle being by using the bloodstone and more to become a mix of Baron Harkonnnen and Cthulu, then rally the Others as the messiah of the Great Other and become God on a new dark Earth. He might even corrupt other humans into his vassals like a new Nights King and Corpse Queen in Stannis and Mel.
It's a whole thing.
Now I highly doubt George will write all of that, chances are he tries but Jaimie kills him before he can somehow just like the show, but I would like to see it.
>So you want to see more death and destruction?
Yeah am I not mean to?
Anonymous No.214066096 >>214066715
>>214047097 (OP)
>Tv ending was mostly his ending
We knew that, but that's not the problem. The problem was dumb and dumber rushing to get there and cutting out a dozen other plot points
Anonymous No.214066340
>>214048171
He's said to have very good prose, which carries his books a lot.
Anonymous No.214066363
>>214048284
Reminds me of rothfuss and his publisher, didn't she have a breakdown and lose her house or some shit waiting on him to complete the 3rd book and even the 2nd one he sent out to random people instead of her first to edit and get published?
Anonymous No.214066398
>>214048567
they also refused to step down when offered to since they didnt want to continue. They wanted all the glory. It really is karmic.
Anonymous No.214066410 >>214066538
>>214053251
OC houses of /got/
Anonymous No.214066538
>>214066410
for me, its house chudley
Anonymous No.214066573
>>214055532
only thing I like about blackwood/bracken is when robb and the blackfish try to push some sly shit on edmure mocking his victory over tywin and for once in all of recorded history they agreed that actually what edmure did was badass and based as fuck. You had two of them there going
>wtf no, edmure did great guys!
Anonymous No.214066715 >>214067224
>>214066096
It's not his ending though. And that's exactly the problem, this fat fuck never gave him the path to his ending. Not even when he promised them he would, and they delayed a season a whole year for his ass and he still didn't come through.
Anonymous No.214066920 >>214066989
>>214054933
I think she was going to do both in the books. Most assume the course of events continuing would be:
>Dany is dragged back to the Dosh Khaleen
>Drogon flies in and scares the shit out of the Dothraki
>Dany gets on, Dothraki recognize her as being/riding the stallion that mounts the world or just otherwise being the baddest mounted warrior around by virtue of riding a dragon
>leads all the Dothraki back to break the siege of Meereen right at the same time as Barristan is sallying out and Victarian is sailing into the Bay in a clusterfuck that will be the Battle of Fire. Then presumably she's going to lead New Volantis in overthrowing Old Volantis in such a violent uprising that the rest of the Free Cities will abolish slavery to avoid the same fate.
But that is a lot more time for mental deterioration as she arrives in Westeros and isn't welcomed as a hero and there is already a "Targaryen" ahead of her in the succession on the throne.
Anonymous No.214066975
>>214053251
There are so many good options. But I'm going to have to go with Codd.
Anonymous No.214066989 >>214067063
>>214066920
Yeah, can't believe they got rid of Aegon. He would have solved a lot of problems in the show. And keeping Cersei was retarded since it's obvious she was to die around the sept explosion time period. And likely by Jaime's hand. They kinda forgot about her prophecy
Anonymous No.214067063
>>214066989
I can see Cersei lingering for a while, but not in King's Landing. If Strong stands as her champion there is a good chance she goes free, but she flees back to Casterly Rock where her family is likely in some turmoil after Kevan's death. Many other Lannisters oppose her but I could see her somehow managing to step in as the new head of the dynasty with Qyburn and Strong at her side and a halfway decent claim as Tywin's heir. I don't think Kevan even has any male descendants left to inherit over her since Lancel became a Knight of the Warrior's Sons.
Anonymous No.214067224
>>214066715
he gave david and dan an outline of the major beats of the story, but the showrunners went in a different direction. Martin has stated this publicly already
Anonymous No.214067995
>>214047201
i remember when i was like 16 in 2011 getting scolded on the asoiaf for saying he was going to die and wouldn't be able to finish a dream of spring
Anonymous No.214068245
I never watched the show but I'm curious to read the books. I would kinda like to try never seeing the show and know all the characters by my mental image from the books description. and the places, props, scenary etc.
It would be like being able to read LOTR without thinking about the actors of the film trilogy, like people did in the for years before the movies. I remember before the movies having some idea of frodo, gandalf, sam, elves, dwarves, trolls etc from the cartoon and the hobbit cartoon, but that was completely different to how they look in the movies and I feel like that is something completely lost on most people now.