Thread 214047554

Why doesn't Rome get the attention it deserves? It crawled so Game of Thrones could attempt to stumble.

>>214047554 (OP)
It was cancelled specifically because of Game of Thrones. Fuck that shit, they could have given us some closure, or a movie or something.

And it was created by John Milius, author of Apocalypse Now and the inspiration for Walter Sobchak in Big Lebowski.

>>214047576
It was years before Game of Thrones. It was canceled because it was very expensive.

>>214047554 (OP)
I really ended up liking Pullo.

>>214047554 (OP)
>>214047576
>>214047596
It was cancelled because
>BBC, who was partly funding the production, bailed after season one
>The show was shot on Cinecittà Studios, which was a hotbed for all kinds of sleazy politicking and haggling that scared HBO's lawyers
>It was literally the most expensive show of its time ($100 million budget)
HBO cancelled it (or more specifically frontloaded like three seasons worth of plot into S2) while S1 was airing because of the lukewarm ratings then they regretted it when they found out the DVD sales were incredibly profitable. But by then it was too late to renew the show, especially since the set burned down in an accident.

>>214047554 (OP)
Ray Stevenson is more known for his role in Dexter than Rome lol

>>214047554 (OP)
>Why doesn't Rome get the attention it deserves?
It's certified /tv/ kino and I've never seen anyone dislike it anywhere. It's one of the most respected shows of all time.

Unlike Game of Thrones.

I can't believe that's the guy from Trainspotting. I never thought he did anything but I always saw the other guys acting in stuff. He turned out to be the healthiest looking out of the bunch in the end.

>>214047696
Punisher.

>>214047698
I mean on this board. I know it's well regarded in the real world away from this contrarian shithole where The Wire and Better Call Saul are considered "slop".

>>214047696
By the mouthbreathers who watch Dexter and nobody else. That show is a soap opera for fat moms.

>>214047737
It's beloved here as well. Interest usually comes in waves. At the end of the day there is only 2 seasons and only so much to talk about.

>>214047794
Heard Resurrection was pretty gud though, I've been seeing new memes of that "surprise motherfucker" guy around lately

>>214047554 (OP)
Most people on here were born in like 2012

>>214047554 (OP)
Its a true Roman show for true Romans!
Plebs need not watch!
>>214047673
Pretty much this

>>214047554 (OP)
Because season 1 is the highest tier. Its production values are on the same level as Lawrence of Arabia or The Lord of the Rings and mog anything by Scorsese, Tarantino, or Nolan (all three of whom claim that TV series are inferior to movies, yet none have made anything this epic).

However, season 2 feels rushed and ends poorly. The original plan was for five seasons, spanning from Caesar to Jesus.

>>214047909
>However, season 2 feels rushed and ends poorly
I thought the ending was pretty solid for a show that had to speedrun its conclusion.

>>214047554 (OP)
And what of good Solonius?

Juno's Cunt!

>>214048052
Such a cringe line. Why do you keep posting it?

>>214047554 (OP)
Because most people are cack faced cunnies

it is the most beloved show on /tv/ probably. it is a pity they cancelled it, probably too kino to have any real audience. it felt like a modern insight into ancient roman historiography - rather than a piece of modern historiography in AV form. perfect mix if epic and realistic style, like in tacitus and livius themselves.

>>214047588
no one cares that he inspired this dumbass reddit character, go back.

THEY PISS ON MY FACE!?

>>214048204
Your words fall from mouth like shit from ass.

>>214047554 (OP)
imagine if this wouldve been finished
sovl incarnate

>>214047554 (OP)
Just started rewatching this last night already on episode 7 of season 1. God's this show was amazing. Everything about it is perfection.

>>214047673
>the set burned down in an accident.
jewish lightning?

i only watch it so i can imagine that i'm being dommed by atia

>>214047696
he's more known for RRR

>>214047554 (OP)
It does, you're just 15 years too late

>>214047696
You're out of your fucking mind

>>214047554 (OP)
Its a great show and I have seen it 5 times but never seen the last episode of season 2 because I don’t want to see what happens to the main characters or to mark

>>214051089
gay.

>>214051089
fag

I want to see a rome prequel starting from the first punic war.

>>214047696
I swear, if you have the right face, buzzcut is the best cut possible.

>>214049832
I still laugh at this

>>214051089
>he missed out on seeing Caesar come back to life, take revenge on his enemies and rule as God King for a thousand years

>>214050795
Probably mafia. The Italian studio they worked with was corrupt and probably mobbed up.

>>214052369
we need to replace Christianity with this religion.

Bros look what happened to cleopatra

>>214052769
Slap a wig and some mascara on that hag and she's good to go!

>>214051374
Well, it seems it would simply be a matter of training the chimps to make one

>>214049173
Go back to what? Eat shit, asshole.

>>214048052
Who was solonius?

>>214051089
You LIKE Marc?

>>214047554 (OP)
For me, it's downhill at the super anticlimactic Battle of Pharsalus that they build hype towards the entire first half of the season and then it's like "oh actually the protagonists aren't even there, here's a 2 min slowmo slideshow of 7 different legionnaire reenactors swinging swords and pretending to get killed"

>>214054389
That fucker didn't veto the motion. The fall of Rome was all his fault

>>214047588
It was co-created by Millius. Bruno Heller did most of the writing.

Very memorable show.

>i kiss your mother's feet
Is this really how Indians greet each other?

>>214047596
it didn't help that the roman mafia burnt down the entire set at cinecitta

>>214047596
NTA but Game of Thrones began development at HBO in 2007, right after Rome got canceled

Rome has fallen
Millions must die

>>214054744
I couldn't find any evidence that there was any arson or suspicion around the fire. You guys just have to schiz every time.

>>214054803
So? That doesn't mean they cancelled Rome for it, three or four years before Thrones would even be on. There's simply no weight to the argument one had anything to do with the other, except paving the way for such a kind of show.

>>214054840
In which country I wonder was theft NOT taboo.

>>214054840
I might read a comic about ancient Rome. Some of those are well made and mature.

>>214047554 (OP)
It was just kind of above average. It was certainly ahead of its time but it just seems to basic compared to today's standards. Love it or hate it Game of Thrones changed TV and especially historical/fantasy genre.

It was pretty low budget show, IIRC , the big battles & events often happen off screen etc. I don't think they was any large crowds or groups of soldiers or any Epic scenes . Correct me if i wrong its been a while. I liked it just saying

>>214056020
How did it change TV? To what? To a place where they have tried to make more fantasy since it aired? Big deal. All flops. I remember them even trying to finally adapt the Shannara books and it ended up been a teen soap on MTV or something.
Thrones kind of looked like shit. Rome did it right with real sets. The CGI and tiny gatherings of people and stupid little "battles" like when Tyrion kills the guy with a shield.. they just looked cheap and lame.
But I'm glad you rode the wave of excitement back when it aired. Must have felt like you were really a part of the big thing. lol

>>214056150
It wasn't low budget. It was the highest budget ever. Doesn't mean they spent that money insouciantly on fields of extras running at each other.

>>214056150
>It was pretty low budget show, IIRC
Wrong. You're right about the crowds and armies and extras in general but the show was super expensive due to its 1:1 sets.

>>214054357
go back to Gaul, ginger knob

>>214052461
>it was the Romans that killed Jesus, not the jews you stupid goyim!

That kid who played Octavian was really good. He seemed kind of above acting though, probably why he quit.

I didn't like seeing all the hanging dongs. That's the worst part about HBO shows.
I bet those guys requested to do it too. Until that peacemaker party shit it seemed to be primarily well-hung dudes hanging dong. I find it off-putting.
But I LOVED Atia's tits. Damn. Niobe's too. They had some good nips in that show.

The show got me really interested in history. Verenus' story comes from this book Caesar himself wrote; full of war stories from conquering 'Gaul'.
I'm going to see if my library has a copy in English. It's going to be awesome. I love when entertainment inspires me to learn things.

My hope for the future of AI shit, is that they can somehow use existing stuff like Rome to expand upon and complete. Imagine those three extra seasons or two more seasons of Deadwood.
The thing is, without the actual involvement of the copyright holders I fear the output would be shit. David Milch's mind is gone and he and Milius will both be dead by the time that technology is ripe. But also maybe A.I. can read every single thing, made or unmade, published or unpublished, that either of them ever wrote, and map out what their brains WOULD HAVE come up with.
I'm trying to stay positive with the whole A.I. thing. Then there could be those huge, epic, sweeping battles people seem to think are important to shows like this. They could easily produce all the minutiae that we wish we could have; just hundreds or thousands of hours with these characters.
Imagine James Gandolfini's family accepting some money and letting them go hog wild making 40 more seasons of prime Sopranos. Everyone still living could lend a voice or something if they wanted but they could get paid for their appearance. Or maybe that money model will be gone, and everyone will just have access to their own A.I. which can deliver any fantasy you can think of using anyone or anything as a springboard.
"A.I., I want you to make Godfathers 3, 4, and 5. Taking place directly after the end of part two. Pretend the 1990 one never happened."
or
"A.I., I want a 40 hour maxiseries of the rise of Omar Little and Prop Joe in Baltimore, and McNulty's rookie days as a subplot."

But I bet for years it would suck.

It was better than got because it didn't have stupid ass mystery box story telling.

>>214057906
of course this seems like a dangerous tool to have. People already spend their lives glued to entertainment they like. Imagine having tailor-made shows exactly as you want them nonstop; perhaps even interactive with VR so you're IN the movie/show. It's going pretty fast. The more advanced it all gets, the more I find myself reading books and getting away from computers.

>>214047554 (OP)
This was a good tribute to them.

romaboos are too autistic and scare showrunners and producers away from any rome projects because they'll screech at the slightest """inaccuracy"""".
Any future rome project should just be officially alt-history, like an industrial revolution rome.
But i realize this also opens it up for (((creative casting))), so there's always something.

>>214060000
terrible idea despite digits

>>214060000
The most kino roman shows would just be the life & history of: Historical character. Start with Caesar, that guy's life was wild if even half of what's passed down to us is true.

Instead, they want to make gay shit about men fucking boys and women fondling slave cocks and brothers and sisters having incest with each other and so on. That's why no good rome shows will ever be made, even if Rome was occasionally pretty good (literally ALL the woman stuff notwithstanding).

>>214047554 (OP)
>raunchy soap opera focusing on nothing but titts, swearing and violence.
Awful fucking show with possibly the worst final season i've ever seen (no i never watched GoT).

I watched Rome and I Claudius almost back to back, and I Claudius was so much better it was unreal.

>>214047909
>Its production values are on the same level as Lawrence of Arabia
It looks like garbage though. The sets are lavish, and the costumes too, but the way it's filmed is atrocious and you can barely see anything properly.

>>214050311
I don't believe what i'm reading in this thread. Ironic shitposting is reaching all new levels.

>>214047576
>It was cancelled specifically because of Game of Thrones.
What?
>Why doesn't Rome get the attention it deserves?
It is one of the positively reviewed, by the audience and critics, tv shows HBO has ever made

>>214057567
it's a cool book that provides a lot of insight into how things were back in those times but caesar embellishes and lies about almost everything to make him look like a infallible god who has never done any wrong.

>Caesar basically committed suicide because his publicity stunts to actually become king, failed
kind of lame desu

>>214060409
would we know about fiascos like the siege of alexandria if historians were just blowing smoke up his ass?

>>214047673
>Jews decide to cancel a project
>oops the venue burned down on accident oey gevalt

every single fucking time

>>214047794
>That show is a soap opera for fat moms.
thanks for the tip, i'll keep it in mind

>>214057906
I wish AI was a lot more personalized to the person so you still had a feeling that it was soulful personal work of art, but we all know AI does almost all of it. I guess prompting is a thing though hmm not sure what I think.

Your types of prompts would have no soul to me no offense its just AI making us the entire thing and we just watch it.

was this or sparticus the last great historical kino?

>>214047909
>The original plan was for five seasons, spanning from Caesar to Jesus.
Especially tragic given that the current prerogatives of studios would make it impossible to cast. It would be full of misplaced ethnic minorities, gross excess homos, a shoehorned troon or two, and every other trope modern tv can't escape.

>>214059780
This looks painfully homoerotic. Like, I don't care if you have the odd gay character or three- just please for the love of God don't make them effete, cliche screeching faggot queens.

>>214056020
Thinking GoT was great, especially after the first few couple seasons, is extreme poptimism.

>>214050936
Based
>>214057490
Atia looked incredible on the show. Ideal late 30s looking woman, (she was 40 by season 2). Loved Polly Walker's thicker milf body.

>>214057407
the downgrade from him to the s2 actor is insane

>>214047576
It was cancelled, because the expense/profit/ratings matrix looked like shit. They've made season one on a 100 mil budget and it had ratings on par with no-budget soaps. And that despite having rave reviews.
So the only sane choice was to pull the plug.

>>214062157
>Loved Polly Walker's thicker milf body.
so did octavian however he was too much of a pussy to do anything about it so he had to settle for octavia instead, sad!

>>214060000
>romaboos are too autistic and scare showrunners and producers away from any rome projects because they'll screech at the slightest """inaccuracy""""
Good. I'd rather get nothing that get a pile of shit like what Nolan is doing to the Odyssey

>>214047909
>comparing this awful looking TV soap slop to david lean's 70mm masterpiece
We're reaching ironic shitposting levels i wouldn't have thought possible

>>214060000
Fuck off with your pessimism.

>>214060147
>>214060179
Retarded takes.

>>214060409
Yes, I actually read the content of the page of the screenshot I posted. But thank you.

>>214061397
Eat shit, you schizo bigot cunt.
Not everything is some "jew conspiracy". How long ago did you lose your brain to silly social media disinformation??

>>214061602
What do you think COULD give A.I. "soul", if not the collected works of the people who had a hand in originally creating them?
I think A.I. is fucking retarded from what I've seen so far. From the printed word to television and the internet, every form of technological advance in communication yet has been a disappointment that quickly became stupid to please the masses.
A.I. has already demonstrated the worst kind of aggregation and regurgitation we could imagine. Just think what the future will hold.

I already choose to take no part in it, or at least as little as possible. I'm simultaneously impressed and disgusted by what A.I. is capable of. And I have no confidence that it will be controlled as the powers of the world race to try and harness it for global domination.
pic hopefully never related.

>>214061751
>complaining about "woke" again.

Does it never leave your fucking minds? Can you EVER discuss movies and television without lamenting the colors or sexual orientations of the people cast to act?

This is why 4chan sucks anymore; just nothing but bitter "left behind" chuds who never stop spouting their /pol/tard notions.

>>214066008
quit being retarded

>>214047909
The lighting in this show is incredible, I don't think any other show comes close

>>214052369
There's a boomer shooter with this exact premise. Basically Roman DOOM

>>214063616
They should have put the "profits" (for the math on subscription cable vs. what brings subscribers is difficult to properly ascertain) on the back burner and gone for the prestige aspect. No regrets over something like The Wire which HBO will always be able to hold up as something they put out that everyone loves the shit out of. That's worth something. But you can't predict the future I guess.

>>214065458
lol, yeah Rome was just some soap slop. How DARE they compare it to the only visual experience you respect. There hasn't been a good movie made in over 50 years, right?

>>214065885
who's that?

>>214066113
>duhhh, I'm not retarded. YOU are!! We need this wokeness to END, man! How dare you complain about my ridiculous constant complaining!

>Rome
>I, Claudius
pick one (1)

>>214066766
so you're going to complain about complaining instead
wow
look at you