Thread 214049458

So why are these retards so obsessed with the Xenomorphs? Is it just the suits seeing the aliens as the "next big thing"?

>>214049537
I remember playing Dark Descent and hearing Pryce say something about FTL. How the fuck would a Xenomorph be useful for FTL?

They want to drop them in Russia.

>>214049458 (OP)
why are all the companies obsessed with AI now? at least the xenos are useful

>>214049458 (OP)
While the movies (and series) have only revealed to the audience how pointless and vulnerable the xenos are, you have to look at it from Weyland/Yutani 's perspective.

A mining crew are wiped out when they encounter one (1) xeno. A research satellite studies the xeno... wiped out to the last man. A colony is wiped out when they encounter a dormant hive, a company of marines are sent to investigate... and they're wiped out. One xeno gets to a prison moon... wipes out an entire prison of violent men.

I think Weyland/Yutani is bankrupt by Ressurrection...?

We see the xenos get weaker with each movie but they definitely would be seen as an attractive weapon for the corporation.

>>214049874
You mean in real life or movies?

Corporations believe advanced enough AI can do the work of a bunch of employees at nearly zero cost. For example, my company hires a bunch of college kids every summer to do mundane processing work but is now scaling back the intern program because AI can do 90% of the processing work. Why pay 20 people to do something a computer can do for free... and faster.

>>214049964
a weapon that cant be controlled is not a weapon though

>>214050051
>paying interns

>>214049565
Xeno's can adapt to any environment. The goal would be to make it so that human's would become perfectly adapted for space travel/living (and I guess colonizing). No more cryo-sleep chambers. Probably their way of achieving immortality as well as opposed to putting their consciousnesses into robots.

>>214049458 (OP)
Yutani is actually Predator infiltrator. That's why he send Weyland on a suicide mission.

>>214050108
and how exactly are xenos more adapted to space? They still need air, they still need food. They still need some sort of positive temperature. Literally the only advantage of these aliens so far is that they are a bit tougher to kill.

>>214050088
>a weapon that cant be controlled is not a weapon though
tell that to chemical and biological weapons

>>214049458 (OP)
I feel like Alien is only but a minuscule side project of a pimple on the ass of a giant corporate conglomerate that is currently humanity’s keeper. I would like a series that goes in depth on other Weyland-Yutani projects that make Unit 731 & Mengele look tame.

>>214050140
The alien in the first movie survived the airlock

>>214049458 (OP)
It's like every company with AI now.

>>214049458 (OP)
In the old comics and novels the xeno queens were sources of "royal jelly," a substance used in pharmaceuticals among other things. That gave the corpos a profit motive for their interest in the species. And if I recall, the xeno was discovered to have an ability for telepathic communication which the corpo scientists were researching and hoping to harness to useful applications.

But in the films it's always just "the perfect specimen" and the ultimate bio-weapon, even if it seems to the audience a very limited and impractical weapon.

>>214050145
chemical and biological weapons can be controlled, you point them at something and then they dissipate on their own after a known amount of time. That's control.

>>214050197
It's funny how Alien is more equipped to branch out into a broader sci-fi setting but simply doesn't and keeps giving us Aliens in corridors. At this point Predator has mixed up it's setting more with less room to expand

>>214049458 (OP)
Their interest level might be exaggerated for the plot of the films. The xenomorphs are something theyd like to have, but not really worth moving heaven and earth for. Maybe worth the crew of a freighter, or a couple dead colonists, or a lot of dead lifers, but not much more than that. Burke spells it out to Ripley, bringing back live specimens was an opportunity worth "millions". For comparison, the Nostromo was said to be worth 42 Million (adjusted) dollars. So the creature was considered valuable, but not obscenely so.

>>214050108
The derelict space jockey ship always seemed like it should have been the real prize. Why go nuts over a glorified alien ant farm when there's ancient advanced alien technology just sitting there for the taking???

>>214050282
A simple. “Don’t look behind the curtain of other Weyland-Yutani projects” would have simply suffice, You’re Lucky You Only Got Aliens To Worry About

>>214050282
Prometheus dipped its pinky toe in those wider waters, got scared, and promptly reverted back to the played-out "Aliens in Airducts" genre.

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>>214050282
the show is trying, but then people complain there are no aliunz in da aliunz show. They need to just establish a multimedia universe that does actually combine all of alien and predator adjacent IPs into one genre playground

>>214050140
>They still need air,
No.
>they still need food
Despite everything, none of the Aliens in any of the movies are ever seen eating.
>They still need some sort of positive temperature.
Big Chap spent decades in space encased in a rock and was just fine when they woke him up.

>>214050449
unlikely but in this nu-wave of aliens (the next predator movie is linking to Romulus) they let Ridley finish his David triolgy. But he will probably die after they finish churning it out AVP then another alien then maybe season 2 of Earth, a predator and an alien then people stop giving a shit and realise how good ridleys continuation actually was

>>214050551
physics dude. They need energy, they use biomass somehow. Whether you call that eating or not is irrelevant.

>>214050577
>they use biomass
For all we know they eat once when they burst out of their host and that's it.

>>214050449
You forgot Raised by Wolves. Ridley’s true vision

>>214049458 (OP)
It's only second to Umbrella's obsession with "combat data".

>>214049874
misanthropic.
corporations hate people; too high maintenance, too much will.
that's why they turn to AI and even ayys if they could.
that's the msg of the movie: companies are anti-human. always have been. it's their nature as a soulless competing entity.

>>214050541
There are only two stories that can be told about predators: 1) a pred stalks humans either on Earth in the present or on an offworld colony in the future, or 2) humans and preds for an uneasy alliance against a common enemy like the xeno. That's the entire potential of that franchise. Predators fucking suck.

>>214050646
So we need more races in our setting, then. Xenomorphs, Prometheus Engineers, Space Jockeys, Humans, Predators. Thats 6. What are 4 more non-human races that could be included? The sexy Species aliens is an obvious one.

Why are Xenomorphs considered perfect organisms when they get mogged all the time, have little to no intelligence beyond predator / prey response, and aren't even that interesting compared to other organisms?

>>214049874
how is a xenomorph "useful" in any way?
they cant be controlled, they wont take orders, you cant weaponize them due to their biological instincts of parasidic reproduction.
they are a parasite species, nothing more.
they should all be destroyed.

>>214050140
According to Romulus the xeno from the first movie secreted some kind of shell and survived being ejected into space

>>214051430
Well we never actualy see humans take any ground from the Aliens. They can only delay them.

>>214051430
"le perfect organism" was Ash's opinion. Ash, the rudimentary biomechanoid built to serve dumb, weak, sentimental, short-lived human masters. He admired its purity of form and function. That the xenomorphs always get put down isn't so relevant, especially since its always by humans rising to face them on their own terms (unbridled violence and self-secrifice).

>>214051442
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>>214049458 (OP)
They're not really. In the first movie, they were really intent on capturing the first alien life form ever discovered and studying it. It wasn't supposed to destroy the ship and crew. By the second movie, they had covered that up, forgotten it, and moved on. Literally only ONE lower executive was interested in it as he saw it could be his chance at a payday and promotion. Then he fucked up by trying to keep it secret and when people started dying from lack of information, he tried to cover it up and salvage it but just made it worse. The other movies are just silly cashgrabs and disconnected slop not in any way a connected canon.

>>214050577
>They need energy, they use biomass somehow.
Yes, they do, but it's implied they don't need to eat biomass themselves (after a certain point, e.g. once fully maturing from a chestburster) and can use pure energy transfer, such as draining electricity from electronics. But they're also capable of tardigrade level of hibernation, which is an ability that I'm sure spacefaring or FTL-seeking humans would kill to be able to get, since a lot of the space travel concerns are due to the fragility of the human body, so if you didn't have to care so much about oxygen, G-forces, etc. for the "human" passengers, it would make the space travel much easier and any possible spacecraft more efficient/effective.

>not wanting a pet ayylmao
what's wrong OP? why are you like this?

>>214050088
Yeah... that's why W/Y is trying to figure out how to control the xenos. Once you figure out how to control them, they would be an ideal weapon because as others have noted:

>xenos can adapt to any environment.
>xenos don't need air or food.
>xenos will just hibernate if impeded.

Where the series fails is that it by killing xenos over and over again in ever more mundane ways it really removes the perceived effectiveness of the xenos as a weapon. That's only a problem for us, the audience though. OP asks why W/Y would want the xenos and from their perspective (and a healthy dose of hubris) the xenos seem like ideal weapons.

>>214050106
1st summer internship is free (or course credit or something... not my department) but if they're invited back for a 2nd summer it's usually offered with a nominal salary. I don't think it's much...

>>214049458 (OP)
It's kinda retarded that this corporation is still obsessed with the xenomorph after Aliens.

>>214050088
There are several comics with a focus on how they can be controlled
>>214050227
Yes but then it spreads beyond the intent area, it's no longer control

>>214052092
>Where the series fails is that it by killing xenos over and over again in ever more mundane ways it really removes the perceived effectiveness of the xenos as a weapon.
The last piece of Alien media that made them feel like a threat was Dark Descent. They've got more bodies than you've got bullets.

>>214050370
That was my interpretation for the first couple of films. The corporate interest in the xenos being just a mild curiosity, unfortunately with each subsequent film, comic, novel their interest grows to a manic insatiable lust for the perfect organism!!! ...and it's just stupid, especially because the perfect organism keeps getting killed by mid brunette women.

>>214050423
Agreed. My interpretation was that the Engineers are preposterously rare and secretive, while the xenos were littered through various moons and worlds. Weyland/Yutani would likely prefer a cache of engineer tech/tools but it's easier to find xenos.

Newest film shows that WY wants them as a way to unlock generic engineering (black goo bullshit) and design a race of people that are hardier for colonising space and mining operations.

They would make great pets.

>>214049458 (OP)
They're just bored with robots and want true immortality. Total control of biology. They recognize that being a mind uploaded into a battery powered robot isn't living. Where would you rather be, at the top of the food chain as a genetically modified super being who can survive by eating the environment and his enemies, or a tin can that has to be near a charger at all times or risk death?

Historically, they weren't. In Alien it was an anonymous command sent to MTHR that then was sent to Ash. In Aliens it's one low on the totem pole guy trying to discreetly boost himself within the company. The other suits don't seem to know or care or believe the alien was real.

>>214050370
Burke is the only suit that seems to make the snap decision to infect ripley and newt to get a sample back, but it's been awhile since I've seen it. From what I remember none of the suits in the meeting with Ripley at the beginning seemed keen that an alien was on the planet they were colonizing, it'd make more sense just to go get it than infect an entire colony to send Marines to infect a woman instead.

>>214052240
I can see what you're saying but I've never been a fan of what Aliens did to the Alien franchise. In the first film the xeno is truly "alien," in the sense that we cannot understand it. We don't know where it's from, what it wants or even if it "wants" anything. We don't know how it sustains itself, what will kill it, or even if it will continue to evolve. We don't even know just how intelligent it may be, remember it was essentially a newborn and already stalking effectively, even laying traps. How much more intelligent could it become after weeks, months, years? We don't know and our minds are left to fill in the blanks with endless permutations of horror. Then the sequels make them into oversized insects. Cool.

That's really the key failure of the franchise: introduce something interesting, rob it of anything unique.

>What's this alien all about?!?
Bug.
>Who are the engineers?!?!
Jesus.
>What's the black goo?!?!?
Mutagen.
>What's the android planning?!?!?
Spoopy stuff.
>What are these other species?!?!?
Eyeball critter, plant scrotum, space centipede
>What does the most intelligent man on Earth want?!?¿
Peter Pan whimsy bullshit.

>>214052630
I agree. Alien is a good film. Monsters are scariest when they embody uncertainty, when fighting them isn't clearly possible. Then you can only run, or try to escape. Jettisoning the alien was an amazing plot point only possible in a ship setting.

>>214052312
again: Aliens are not magic. They too need to get charged up somewhere by something. Stop being so unthinking

Gotta make money with the hot new thing. LGBTQ+, Crypto, NFTs, AI, Xenomorphs, just gotta keep that hustle going.

>>214052982
You're not thinking on a grander scale. The xeno doesn't age, at least as far as we know, and it doesn't degrade over time. It doesn't need food or air. It can endure pressure, heat, cold, etc to an absurd degree. If it runs into an environment or situation where it cannot endure it just goes into hibernation.

You could eventually create a synthetic body that is as capable, if not superior, to the xeno ...but it couldn't hurt to research the xeno. Most likely the corporation would try to find ways to incorporate certain aspects of the xenos biology into the synth tech. It's a fairly durable organism.

>>214051846
they could alternatively just invent better machines to protect the humans, you know? Instead of injecting themselves with some monster DNA to mutate into inhuman freaks which nobody would ever do anyway and so this whole plot motivation is unrealistic

>>214053146
Except the theming of the setting is pretty clearly in favor of biological transhumanism, especially with the engineers/space jockeys, and portraying machines and synths as inherently flawed or at least having a lower potential ceiling.
Also, from a physics and biology perspective, you're not gonna get much better machines to "protect the human cargo" than what they already have in Aliens, and that's pretty limited, as portrayed in series.
The fragility of the human body as a major (if not *the* fundamental) road block for humanity's space faring capabilities is a very old concept that's still being explored to this day, this franchise is no exception to that obviously.

>>214053365
what are you talking about, even in the first Aliens movie the androids were already literally indistinguishable from humans and now in this tv show they already transferred or copied a human mind into a robot. There are no flaws left, now it's merely about improving the body which is already super strong, super durable and can fight aliens in hand to hand combat without even a gun/weapon. Aliens are obsolete.

>>214053493
Weird how neither Ash nor Bishop did any anime robot super strength capeshit karate to either Ripley or the Alien Queen when they were being attacked or attacking others.

>>214052269
Why though? The synthetics are already perfect for that and they’re relatively common so synth bodies can’t be that expensive.

You could setup a system where kids are still born using artificial insemination/wombs and then have their minds uploaded at the latest possible age.

>>214053493
It's very clear in the series that synths are not well-regarded by humans, they're tools, not humans' replacements. There's clearly little transhumanism enthusiasm for that "path" for humanity, in-series. The cyborg isn't too happy about his situation and the hybrid kids are struggling too. Most humans, even IRL, seem to have a natural revulsion towards the idea of being or transferring to a synthetic body, etc. etc. The entire concept of both the xenomorph and the space jockey are biomechanical, with still a strong "bio" component, and in Prometheus, the implications are that the engineers are looking to perfect biological life, not become more machine like or mechanical, either.
You might be a cyborg/synth enthusiast, but the series/franchise seems to be pretty much in favor of staying biological and going the perfecting genetical evolution of a species/humanity.

>>214052982
I never said they're magic. Instead of recharging, they eat. They can live in any ecosystem where there's lifeforms they can consume. It's a huge advantage to be a self-repairing alpha predator over being a simple machine dependent on electricity and specific components.

>>214050646
They could have gone with

>Predator is stranded on Earth and has to evade human military for a few weeks while a rescue ship arrives

Split the focus between the Predator and one of the higher up humans in command of the operation, any of the front-line human soldiers die pretty easily. And then for the climax it comes down to the badly wounded and exhausted Predator fighting the human who was in command of hunting them.

>>214053671
>then have their minds uploaded at the latest possible age.
The rich and powerful people in charge understand that there is no true mind transferrance. What Kavalier has done is just make a mimic with your memories, but the real you still dies. That's good for making a type of synth worker or fooling the middle-upper class like those powdered wig partiers, but not true immortality for the upper class.

>>214050145
thats retarded, they're created, stored safely until use, then when they are used - on an area FAR away they dissipate. Xenomorphs always find a way out of whatever lab some retarded scientist has them locked up in and go on a murder rampage.

>>214049964
so why do they keep trying to fuck with them? After the first couple of total losses maybe you say "let's leave those things alone from now on"

>>214054452
Greed or hubris, if not both.
These two are humanity's classics for millennia so far, and there's not many signs of that changing any time soon.

>>214054452
>why do they keep trying to fuck with them?
You mean like 4 tries in 200 years?

>>214054452
From the companies perspective this alien very efficiently murdered a mining crew, a research team, marine squad, and a prison... seems like it might be a pretty good weapon no?

The corporation lost what amounts to a rounding error, why stop now? If you saw a $100 taped to a wall and you stubbed your toe on the walk over to it would you give up?

Oh the things I could do if I had the keys to the Alien universe.

>>214055240
Well anon? Name them.

>>214055263
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
I do of course need to be paid.

>>214054756
>very efficiently
No not really. Single runner died to unarmed prisoners. And in aliens ton of them died to gunfire and specially turrets. If marines had non rookie commander they would wipe the floor with aliens easy.

>>214055263
Err... uh... synthetic sexbots? And, dunno... synthetic loli sexbots?

How would humanity have to develop it's tactics to defeat them?

>>214055336
pffft.
Sexbots have been done quite a lot. A very old sci-fi concept.
And I don't think they are or should be the main appeal of the Alien universe, even though they seem to be drifting in that direction with the show and Elle Fanning as a Weyland-Yutani robot in Predator: Badlands.
No, I think I've got a much deeper understanding of the appeals of the Alien universe.
I know what works for me, anyway.

>>214055456
armored synth with acid-proof teflon coating

>>214055325
One egg on a space freiter killed an entire crew and forced the crew to destroy the cargo.
>Perfect corporate espionage tool.

One egg in a space colony kills all life (except Newt).
>Perfect tool to pacify a rebellious colony.

One xeno on a research station kills all aboard.
>Would be a real shame if one ended up on the research vessel of a competitor company.

Not everything is war. Xenos can cause a tremendous amount of damage and, best of all, there's no "smoking gun." They can't blame you if your enemies suddenly get a cockroach infestation!

>>214055456
Guns
Flame throwers
Motion sensors
Anti-acid materials
Fake pheromones
Face shields
Combat synths
Power armor (recall that Ripley, operating a basic walking forklift, bodied a xenomorph queen).

>>214055525
I feel like Synths would already be common place in military and security if they had the ability to be effective. But their bodies are probably too weak or slow.

>>214055570
synths have been shown to be stronger and more resilient throughout the franchise

My head canon is that building a synth is simply more expensive than hiring and training a human recruit.

>>214055564
Genuinely the ugliest special forces design I've ever seen in any film, game. manga, whatever. No way it took them longer than an hour to come up with this.

>>214055624
I agree. But they've been improved in the extended universe.

>>214055624
I think they're neat.

>>214055570
As of Aliens which takes place like a century after Earth, Bishop mentions the 3 laws explicitly and says the new models like himself have behavioral inhibitors. You even see these in action, Bishop starts getting creepily into the facehuggers and Spunkmeyer is weirded out by his glazed over dead eyed stare. But unlike Ash, Bishop doesn't crack. That's also why any synth plot seems kind of silly. By the timeline of Aliens the artificial persons are obedient, intelligent, loyal, and calm. They don't need to have superhuman strength and neither Ash nor Bishop displayed it (Ash did show some above average strength when he choked Parker but it wasn't some ridiculous capeshit level like jumping off a cliff, and he got decapitated by a fire hydrant), because they are servile machine workers. What's the purpose in making them any stronger or faster than they need to be to do their basic jobs? Zero.
By Aliens the synthetics are pretty much a non issue and totally figured out.

>>214055731
I liked their Dark Descent design, cool game and I'm hoping that we'll get a sequel.
>>214055761
They don't look like soldiers, they look like arctic explorers. They'd be fitting for The Thing.

>>214049458 (OP)
Step 1) Bring killer alien parasites to Earth.
Step 2) ???
Step 3) Profit

>>214055624
*blocks you're path*

>>214050577
>physics dude

I like the mercs in AvP2

>>214051846
>o, but it's implied they don't need to eat biomass themselves (after a certain point, e.g. once fully maturing from a chestburster) and can use pure energy transfer, such as draining electricity from electronics
Where?

>>214055611
It's less ethical to build a synthetic soldier, for one soldiering is a human job and is for human conflicts, for two it would require you to violate the 3 laws. No one would want murder bots. They'd need to be autonomously controlled and braindead.

>>214055944
>No one would want murder bots.
Anyone who saw a xenomorph would want an army of murderbots between him and it.

>>214049565
>dark descent
first mistake is playing the game
second mistake is thinking it's fucking canon

anything after the riginal trilogy is not canon

>>214056141
Here we go

>>214056141
Fuck you. Dark Descent was kino.

>>214056141
>not excluding alien 3 from your headcanon
Pleb.

>>214056141
What's your problem with Dark Descent? I thought it was excellent.

>>214053131
Yeah, if the research teams weren't always either sabotaged or run by cultists, then studying a xeno could produce the most important technologies in human history. The xeno's biggest secret weapon of course is their hivemind sense, and if we're going by the comics where their leader is close to some cthulu-level threat, then that's the main thing that has any researchers stumped.

>>214055863
I like the 1984 Sardaukar as well. I just like these weird trooper designs with baggy attire and obscured faces. Preferably with round eye goggle masks. Sorry, thats just how its gonna be.

>>214052326
>Historically, they weren't
And now, they are. Read more and watch more, anon. Keep up or fall behind.

This is resurrection levels of bad

>>214056449
I love Resurrection though?

>>214056343
>I'm a 40pleb fangay
Well, that explains everything.

>>214056449
It's kinda worse than Resurrection because it's in this uncanny valley of almost being acceptable.
Resurrection at least has the decency to swing between utter schlock and occasional kino.
This is so consistent in its sickly almost-ok-ness.

>>214049458 (OP)
weyland yutani had their fingers in pretty much every industry. for the military side, it's an untracable bio weapon that only attacks organics. it costs nothing to produce and practically costs nothing to deploy.

for the bio-engineering department its a unique silicone lifeform that could bring forward all kinds of new medicines.

its the new hotness and every division thinks they can make a fortune off it.

>>214049964
The old lore was that the weyland yutani corporation gets broken up when they try to basically take over the entire planet with illegal android soldiers. The military was fine with them monopolzing space drives and shit but not with replacing everyone with militarized robots.

The new lore is the company collapses after the promethius mission since its founder and secret leader is dead.

>>214050370
>>214052376

its worth millions to -burke-, hes a mid level scumbag looking to upgrade to top brass. WY is a huge corporation with tons of shit going on, burke wanted to carve out a special space for himself using xenos, he kept most of it hidden between the first and 2nd movie. by the third movie the corporation propper has caught wind of the xeno and sends a propper research team to capture it for study and review.

from then on, its value and such is based on the 20 years of comic and videogame lore that the promethues movie threw away because jews dont like paying white people royalties (its the same reason they black wash all your favorite comic book heroes, and why disney deleted the starwars EU)

>>214056449
HELLO MY BABY!
HELLO MY HONEY!
HELLO MY RAGTIME GAL!

>>214049458 (OP)
One of the best things about the newest movie was making it seem like their real motive isn’t using the alien as a weapon, but reverse engineering the qualities that make it so resilient and introducing them to humans.

>>214056787
Misses the point of Alien imo.

>>214056580
I think you've crossed a wire there.

Weyland/Yutani can't dissolve after the events of Promethius. It's a prequel, and we see Weyland/Yutani thriving for Alien, Aliens, and Alien3.

Isn't the modern lore that Weyland was vulnerable after Promethius and had to merge with Yutani?

>>214056787
We actually haven't properly seen the Alien used as a weapon yet.

Maybe there could be a story about a planet that unionizes and the corporation drops eggs on them.

>>214055564
>Weyland Yutani's supposed elite forces still carry cheapskate M4A1s
>The "armour" still looks like styrofoam foam with a bunch of capsules and grenades to pretend they're high elite
>THere's a literal fucking hockey mask where half of it is empty.
Cheapskates.