Thread 214062316

the bridge

>>214062316 (OP)
Guess this is the new thread

star trek sex with shran

Lmao so thats where that gif is from

>>214062316 (OP)
This looks like a set from a porno

>>214062497
Based
Bretty gud
Based
Accidentally redpilled ep (common on voyager)
Based

>>214062316 (OP)
crazy that Kirk was killed by a bridge

>>214062537
porno sets look like sets from star trek

When a starship is in dock how do they secure it once the engines are off?

watchalong bros I missed you last night. the vibes were bad though, I understand

>>214062581
clamps

>>214062538
Is that the one where she accuses the guy of raping her for nanoprobes?

>>214062583
Couldn't even talk about the goddamn school bombing episode without schizo screeching

>>214062641
Yep she says a dude raped her but he honest to god didn't. It was real in her head though.

>>214062652
Im the old baker, but not op. Im off a 3 day ban for posting the lauren faust cartoon depiction of Q.

DS9 wouldn't be so boring if they went with this design instead

This is a kino Kirk episode

>>214062802
honestly strict downgrade. below doofy headgear tier.

>>214062685
Yes and the Doctor egged her on even after the rest of the crew told her to chill out.

>>214062552
Live by the bridge. Die by the bridge.

>>214062880
there were so many bad headbands in DS9 for some reason

>>214062932
There was a headband shop on the promenade.

>>214062497
Great lineup though the b-plot of Thine Own Self is pointless filler

>>214062802
How were they supposed to carry that out on a weekly television budget?
>>214063026
The Troi plot would have made sense in season two or three. Not with fucking 10 episodes left.

Thanks for the drinks

>>214063236
cheers

>>214063236
Is this the thread?

>>214063236

*me as I continue drinking beers throughout the evening*

I like DS9 season 1. It has some of my favorite eps (Duet, Dramatis Personae, Move Along Home, Battle Lines) in all of Star Trek

I'm substance free

>>214063408
Why didn't they ever go back to check on Kai Opaka?

>>214063397
>>214063236
>tfw you get cast as an alien and they dont put any makeup on you

Your refutation, boomer trekkies?

klingons do not saddle up

>>214062802
This is just Sebulba from Phantom Menace.

Yvette Craig is so hot

>>214063672
I skip all Worf and LaForge scenes. Not racist just don't like em

>>214063638
This poseur can't even think of an appropriate analogue to a paper file folder. Make it a PADD or something.

>>214063601

*me immediately after the first sip of the first beer which I drank out of a wine glass for some reason during starfleet training or something and then I get kicked out of starfleet*

>>214063672
Alexander sucks but I like big tittied white girls, Data smoking cigs, and whiskey

>>214063638
>reddit

>>214063319
Im about 3 double whiskey cokes deep so yeah

>>214063562
she was immortal and useless

>>214063562
in universe I think they just got too crazy with Dominion stuff but yeah it is kinda weird. I think she comes back in later books or video games.

meta wise, they were also too busy and wanted to focus on the "evil kai". having opaka there to feud with winn would be a short lived thing. either opaka wins and you lose a good villain or winn wins and opaka is just gone again

>>214063742
My wife asked me how to block reddit on her phone. I work in IT.

>>214063638
why is it always ai generated? it really is only 70 year olds who like nutrek thars insane.

>>214063832
Responding to it is a mistake

>>214063769
ive been drinking apple brandy for hours and im ready to fight about trek

ds9 sucks

>>214063884
Fuck you bitch

>>214063884
What kind? I dont like brandy but I love cognac

>>214063826
why were TOS movie uniforms so HIDEOUS

>>214063813
Opaka couldn't leave the planet so she never would have been in direct confrontation with Winn but they could have given her a communicator at least.

>>214063923
TMP were kino

>>214063923
Nutrek is the worst, even worse than ENT

>>214063959
crazy that this girl is indian
I don't see it desu
can definitely pass as latinx

>>214063959
Are the shoes part of the uniform, like footy pajamas where it's all one garment?

>>214063970
That's what they look like before they were genetically polluted.

>>214063912
lairds bottled in bond. its not great but at least i know its unadulterated. drinking it straight because Im degen but it would make a great mixer, especially good fit for the punch bowl

I fucking love weed

>>214063959
is there underwear in space?

>>214064024
I hear that despite being a notorioux prick, Shatner is unironically an extremely interesting person to talk to.
He's read a thousand books so has a wide berth of knowledge in a shitload of areas so you can just sit there and listen to him all day.

Wish I was Captain Kirk's friend.

>>214064024
me too. i would probably be in prison if it werent for weed and trek

is "bridge officer test" even a real thing? she's already an officer shouldn't that entail knowing how to conduct yourself on the bridge? is this a real Navy thing?

>>214063769
>tfw I dont keep booze in my home

>>214064105
It's to be qualified to command a Starfleet vessel, not serve on one.

>>214064105
its a command test not a belong on the bridge test

>>214064143
The problem with that is driving. I never drive drunk

>>214064105
there are different ways to move around and up in the navy but every commissioned officer is qualified to take command by default.

>>214064191
>>214064156
>>214064222
makes sense

>>214064218
Just dont hit anyone

the rock in this wood can be felt by its strength and hardness

Data suddenly remembers what radioactive means

>>214064471
what the fuck were they thinking with this mystery plot that's not a fucking mystery

>>214064369
>>214064471
Data episodes are kino. I even liked Masks because it gave him a chance to ham it up for once.

>>214064523
>"Le old timey anti science dark ages were bad"
Same shit as 6th grade but for an hour

this scientist lady is annoying but you can't hate her. she's just baffled and skeptical as anyone would be

>>214064529
Lore is kino

Give me your top 5 characters, /trek/

>>214064692
Weyoun

>>214064692
Picard
Garak
Weyoun
Worf
Data

>>214064692
Lt. Cmdr. Riker (These Are the Voyages...)
Lt. Cmdr. Riker
Ensign Riker
Cmdr. Will Riker
Cmdr. Tom Riker
Maquis Rebel Tom Riker
Captain Riker

Oops that was more than 5. My bad. My bad.

>>214064692
Dukat
Data
Damar
Spock
Picard

curing radiation sickness with a dose of some fucking medicine water is pretty dumb for star trek

>>214064808
>How was I supposed to know that was a sacred tree? You should have told us this when I decided to bring my invasive species onto your planet.

>>214064829
I get it. Jews were executed for poisoning wells. What happened to Data?

this episode and the one where Odo is on the holographic village are basically the same. the Odo one is way better

>>214063236
Is that the undertaken from oblivion?

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWRON!

ds9 time

>>214064950
No it isn't. Odo is a navel gazing faggot and all his episodes suck. Except the ones with quark.

Armin Shimerman is an incredible Jew actor. He plays a jew better than anyone but Larry David.

>>214065006
yes it is. it was a mystery plot that contained an actual mystery for the audience, a moral dilemma and tugged at your heartstrings because his friendship with that little girl was genuinely cute. it's like they got a do over of the Dara version and fixed it

Bajorans are worse jews than ferengi

>TNG S1
Humans have chartered 11% of the galaxy
>TNG S2
Humans have chartered 22% of the galaxy

This despite Captain Kirk and the gang seeing the centre of the galaxy, the edge of the galaxy (three times) and a shitload of other places a whole CENTURY earlier.

They shouldve kept the intro the same all seven seasons. Its absolute kino.

>>214065016
Yes yes but

>>214065112
That guy was supposed to be a midget but the actor killed himself before they finished filming the episode.

Odo's makeup started off being separate appliances but Auberjoinois is such a good actor without even having his face they just said fuck it and went wild making him look like an actual goo man

>>214065016
he's one of the few characters that doesn't change at all. from the first ep armin reigned in how quark would be and stuck with it

>>214065157
Everyone knows about that and we've seen the original scenes

>>214065178
I haven't.

>>214065178
I didn't know that
because i fucking hate this episode and never rewatch it

>>214065199
Yes you have.

>>214065051
They fixed it by adding Dax?

why is it so COMFY bros

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnU2qn6-hz4&ab_channel=ender4life

>>214065218
was Dax in that episode?

>>214065210
I knew about it but haven't seen the original scenes.

>>214065162
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAH IM GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOING

>>214065112
Few characters are as based as Kivas Fajo

>baseball
As a white sox fan it sucks

>that one episode where brent spiner just flat out does his bob from night court persona but with data's makeup
Holy FUCKING kino

>>214065162
i like to think that odo hardly cared about his appearance before meeting nerys, other than keeping a humanoid form, so he slowly improved himself until around s3 when they finalize his makeup, so he doesn't appear so grotesque to nerys

ok I think I'm kinda understanding why they needed Dax. usually the captain would confide in and ask the advice of the first officier but in this case Kira isn't really that person, at least not yet. so it's like, who is Sisko supposed to talk to? I don't like him having a "mentor" because it just doesn't fit his personality. he does not seem like the kind of person that needs "guidance" from someone wiser. but without Dax to talk to he'd just be like, sitting in his office twirling his baseball while he thinks it over and the audience wouldn't know what he's thinking without like a voice over or something

I bought one of these. It looks a lot like a giant vagina.
https://metvmall.com/collections/star-trek-deep-space-nine/products/star-trek-ds9-cardassian-symbol

>>214065353
They didn't really seem close though. I know they're supposed to be old friends but I never bought it.

>>214065369
I was thinking of getting this one. or the one with Romulan Commander on it

>>214065353
Eventually they realized that Sisko should just talk to himself and write on the walls.

>>214065378
yeah. how would you fix this dilemma? Sisko needs like, a 2nd first officer that's Starfleet or something. maybe he could be friends with an Admiral or something that checks in on him and he can call to talk things through with over with? i mean that's lame too but idk

>>214065103
>VOY S1
Humans have chartered 9000% of the galaxy
>VOY S7
Humans have chartered 6,000,000% of the galaxy

Who writes this shit?

>>214065380
Its a comfy shirt with a big pink pussy on it and nothing else to identify its star trek

>>214065417
It was a good enough idea for the show, Dax just didn't have any chemistry with Sisko. They didn't seem like friends.

Getting punched in the face is a small price to pay to look down Kira's shirt.

>>214065500
ooh wait I have an idea why not make "Dax" someone who served on the Saratoga with him? then even if they're not like, friends, they still have a bond

I wish I was in an abusive relationship with Kira

>>214065503
Dukat did even more to her mom

>>214065535
They could bond over putting Picard's picture on the dart board at Quark's while O'Brien mutters impotent curses in his ridiculous accent.

bros
now that the dust has settled, was Sisko kino or lame?
I lean towards lame. And I love Geordi, Worf, Guinan and Uhura so DON'T call me racist as Avery would.

>>214065580
Sisko is certified kino you mong

>>214065580
Hes 100% insane

>>214065580
how in the fuck could anyone think Sisko is lame?

I am pretty fucked up. Gonna sleep thru redpilled voy

Bajorans are so fucking lame my god

TO BE CONTINUED

>>214063026
I thought it was based. Die, Geordie, die.

>>214065906
The worst part of jews mixed with the best part of muslims.

>>214063832
>only 70 year olds understand AI
no wonder the PWB are importing pajeets as fast as they can

Jeri Ryan is very respomsible for President Obama

>>214066038
She probably played this program over and over after she got promoted.

Im out of alcohol. See you all tomorrow.
https://youtu.be/qE5yvuKoFmE?si=b8cQCNJu6ZwPn8c5

>>214064808
Porthos was a demon from the Dark Tapestry, you know.

>>214063085
Troi is so insufferably smug about it at the end even though she failed the exam half a dozen times too. Like Data gives a fuck you self centered cunt.

I once fucked Jeri Ryan in a nightclub. She was wearing her Seven of Nine hairstyle. Some guy watched.

>>214066342
And then you woke up in your sad little studio apartment, in a pool of your own bodily fluids.

I once fucked Gul Dukat on the bridge of a Dominion warship. He was wearing the shoulder mounted visor thing. Weyoun watched.

>>214066526
and then you woke up in your sad one man shuttle covered in a pool of self sealing stem bolts bearing oil.

I once fucked Beverly Crusher in her late grandmother's chair. She was wearing heavy makeup. Her entire matrilineal line watched.

>>214066550
30 Rock already did that

this guy did nothing wrong
the federation was losing the dominion war and needed the medical technology not to mention the sona went on to manufacture ketracel white for the dominions army after the events of this movie

>>214066572
Don't you understand? It's spammers all the way down.

>>214065580
Literally kino of the highest order, no one overacts like Avery Brooks

>>214066648
was the dominion war even referenced during Insurrection?

>>214066648
>the sona went on to manufacture ketracel white for the dominions army after the events of this movie
huhhhhh?

>>214066815
>>214066910
at the beginning of the movie its mentioned that the sona were making ketracel white for the dominion. since picard blew the alliance they were trying to form the sona were still in league with the dominion

I like this prop in this episode of Voyager because it's clearly just a cordless leaf blower or vacuum.

whos dick do i have to suck to get a ds9 4k remaster? im talking the real shit not the AI stuff. i need to see every pore of kira, jadzia and especially ezri

>>214066997
CBS literally doesn't even have the equipment to scan film anymore. They fired the entire department that remastered TNG. It's never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever happening. It's over.

>>214066997
paramount are cheap asses. remastering tng and tos didnt make them enough shekels so they will never do it for ds9 and voy

>star.trek.strange.new.worlds.s03e08.1080p.web.h264-successfulcrab
about to check this out

>>214067672
Spam

>>214066550
Reminds me of that one time TNG crossed over with a sitcom that everyone desperately tries to memoryhole. What was it called?

Enterprise was the best series and we were robbed of the earth romulan war season.

>>214067707
I wanted to see the Kzinti in live-action. Could have even adapted Known Space-esque stories is later seasons.

>>214067707
>prequeltrek

>>214067707
enterprise was trying to make star trek appeal to people who voted for dubwah

saw some dumb nigga in the last thread completely missing the point about the prophets and that they were never "real gods" they were always just aliens

I want to suck on Vulcan Chapels ears

>>214067781
Bajewrans suck almost as much as nutrek

la'an is better than chapel

>>214066950
You mean Seven?

>>214067065
The fuck, why? Did some shit go down or was it your bog-standard laying off?

Dont watch gay new worlds or any trek after ENT
Jew Jew Abrams movies are ok as a one-off but only the first one is better than Nemesis

>>214068343
They needed more funds to embezzle Kurtzman with or he would testify.

>>214068352
Based
>>214068494
Nothing would bring me more joy than having Kurtzman's guts for garters

>>214068286
more dancing

>>214067707
Please. No more war arcs.

>>214067998
uh yeah, me too...what episode was this?

>>214068693
the new one >>214067672

>>214066550
What the fuck do they think they're doing? Do they actually believe this stuff is keeping in the spirit of Star Trek, or is this just pure unapologetic self-indulgence?

>>214068730
I'm going to reserve judgement for now, there's a small chance it could work

>>214066997
DS9 still looks amazing in standard def, especially the later seasons. A remaster would be nice but I'm not losing sleep over it.

>>214067707
There never was an Earth v. Romulan war was there? They'd had very little contact. Isn't that the big thing in that TOS 'sode, how nobody has ever seen a Romulan before?

>>214068730
The writers grew up on Buffy, 30 Rock, Scrubs, Parks & Rec, Community,

>>214068774
The guy who remastered TOS did a write-up of how things went down, roughly. Granted, they threw most of his ideas into the trash when they decided they wanted to do the Akiraprise show, but I like to think if ENT lasted longer more of them would slip through.

>>214063638
There is a bigass continuum between lighthearted episodes and inconsequential sillyness. And SNW lingers exclusively at the worst side of the spectrum.

>>214068774
haha, I'd like to eat their tacos. muawahahaha

>>214068774
There was a war, there just was never any direct inter-ship communication, so no one ever knew what the Romulans looked like.

>>214068942
It's like the musical one they did. It's not cool and new and refreshing if you just copying a trend that happened 20 years ago.

>>214066648
Nah, he was retarded.
>the planet was in Federation territory, so the Federation had all the cards
>they could have set up a medical colony on the far side from the Baku village and didn't need to bother anyone, even a short stay gives you functional eyes even if your genetics only had dysfunctional ones
>only the Son'a were desperate to speed up the process, there was no reason to go through with their plan
>military situation was stable enough, it would only worsen when the Breen joined

>>214068642
tfw no tomboy bff to take care of me after my heart is broken

>>214069125
Seems weird. ENT suggests that technology was already TOS/TNG-like. So beaming onboard a Romulan ship or needing to aid Romulans or intercepting visual comms which was normal at the time could have happened
TOS suggested that technology was so primitive that visual comms were not the standard and space warfare was people in tincans looking at instruments like in a WW2 submarine movie when we already had ships zooming around like Star Wars in ENT.

>>214063236

>>214063408
based and allamaraine-pilled

Meanwhile, at the Redneck Star Trek Convention....

SNW is so bad, that Patton Oswalt is one of the least worst things in this episode

>>214065906
>t. Riker

>>214070620
I just watched the Michelle Forbes Seinfeld 'sode last night. It's the one about the BIG salad. And, because Jason Alexander is in a VOY. It's practically canonically Trek.

>>214070700
>that Frasier-Voyager crossover skit
>Captain Frasier, as well as Donnie kidnapping Data in TNG
Is Star Trek really just a sitcom?

>>214070742
it's pretty much every genre at one point or another

>>214070524
It keeps getting worse and worse. The writers understand nothing about trek. The plots make no fucking sense. I've persevered through every bit of shitty nutrek but I'm reaching breaking point, I don't think I can keep going with this.

Actually I have Centurion Back Rub to thank for it

>>214070984
I haven't seen the newest season of SNW. But, I thought the first two were OK. I could not get through PIC of DISCO though. I don't believe you that this season of SNW is worse than PIC or DISCO..

>>214071110
It's gotten a lot worse, there's no question. That said, I may be experiencing recency bias.

>>214070984
I am at that point too after this week's episode. What an absolute slopfest, it's a parody of itself at that pont.
Captcha : aayds

>>214071503
That's what happens when you hire writers that don't love Star Trek
>My experience has been that our most successful new writers grew up as dedicated fans and already know the Star Trek world inside and out. With the notable exceptions of Ira Steven Behr, Jeri Taylor and Joe Menosky, three writers in a decade, I rarely had luck hiring experienced writers who could come in and understand the franchise.
>Michael Piller

>>214071780
Michael Piller himself also had no idea of Star Trek before. But he made the right calls with respect to how stories should be structured and what they should focus on generally.

I feel like I was having a stroke watching the newest episode of SNW. Like it's more of a LD comedy episode than normal SNW.

>>214071881
Yeah I thought it was good too

>>214065103
>This despite Captain Kirk and the gang seeing the centre of the galaxy, the edge of the galaxy (three times) and a shitload of other places a whole CENTURY earlier.
To be fair one half of the crew was on drugs and the other half were drunk the majority of the time. I doubt they even left spacedock.

Wake and bake

>>214071300
Kino
Dara but bad
Good part 2
Nazis
Sex

>>214065353
Yeah, Kira has the rank of Major in the provisional Bajoran military, but her only actual real experience and training id being a terrorist, she can't really advise a Starfleet Commander on much except strictly Bajoran issues

Ok anons, I've seen Star Trek, Babylon 5, Stargate, Battlestar Galactica and The Expanse, which SciFi series do I watch next?

>>214074045
farscape

>>214073972
>strictly Bajoran issues
"Major, remind me, how do Cardassian men like to be stroked?"

>>214074045
Firefly

>>214071881
I never say no to dancing La'an. Did you watch the post-credits scene? Funny stuff. At first I hated this episode but it definitely improved over time.

>>214063066
Litty

>>214066942
why would a tng movie reference a failed series like ds9? they showed janeway once in a movie & that was it

>>214068352
don't tell me what to do, racist fascist bully
>>214068730
there's no point in catering to the old fans. their tastes are no longer fashionable, and they're dying off every day from old age
>>214071881
having a stroke is for geezers

>>214074045
gtive up on televised sci-fi and just read heinlein and pkd

>>214068988
>they threw most of his ideas into the trash when they decided they wanted to do the Akiraprise
Reminds me of how the Four Years War was relatively well established EU content for decades and then STD came along and raped it.

Q made a reference to basket weaving in Q2. Heh.

I like reading about how old trek writers were inspired by WW2 movies, submarine movies, and political thrillers
and then I read about how nutrek writers were inspired by >>214068942
what went wrong?

>>214075212
30 Rock is stupifying in its brilliance thowever

>>214075152
LEEEEEGGGGGSSSSS HNNNGGGG

>>214075212
Literally every Trek is a product of it's time.

It's why DS9 starts being about war and how a better world isn't really possible without Hard Men making Hard Choices. Why Voyager is directionless, derivative mediocrity. Why Enterprise is painfully American even before it fully transitions into 9/11 revenge quest stupidity.

star trek

>>214075316
What would you call this current era?

>>214075316
Fuck off, Voyager is basically a perfect science fiction anthology show. It doesn't need a stupid overarching plot, it has more than enough interesting standalone episodes of just plain fun science fiction. It's not about week-to-week consequences. In that way it's far superior to serialized drag-you-along drama like DS9

>>214075351
Nta, but for me the current era of Trek (not including Picard), is a philosophical pushback against existential nihilism. The hope of exploration creating the meaning that the destruction of postmodernism destroyed.

>>214075212
Some of the older writers weren't just inspired
They had legit lived through it

>>214075316
DS9 is TOS and TNG's logical conclusion. VOY isn't so much directionless as it is going in every fucking direction at full speed. It's not even truly episodic.

>>214075429
Should have stayed in the Delta quad building a new empire.

>>214075212
Downstream effect of the general infantilisation of everything

klingons dont faint

>>214075733
They do after entering the bathroom after Worf has been drinking prune juice!

we brought some friends hope you dont mind!!!

>>214075390
You're completely retarded then

kek this was so dumb

>>214075900
Computer vent atmosphere in transporter room 3, NOW!

>>214075986
so you would vent her?

>>214075351
I call it the "keep desperately throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks" era. So far they feel like irony/self-awareness is the "shit"

>>214075900
>People say Code of Honor is the worst episode when this exists

>>214076030
i mean it is funny at least

>>214076030
Because preddit retroactively declared that CoH was bad because it was le racist (something no one ever said until like 2012)

>>214075733
Klingons don't get knocked the fuck out by barrels.

>>214076059
CoH was shat on well before plebbit was aware of its existence for being a shit episode through and through.
The unification of the Space Cathloics and Space Protestants episode was at least entertaining even if bad. Also has a foot fetish scene.

>>214076117
Barrels have no honor!

>>214074588
ds9 was going on during the movies except for nemesis…
enterprise d getting destroyed, the borg invasion, sona making ketracel, and the uniform update were all referenced. nemesis even mentions that shinzon fought against the dominion in the war

>>214075351
If I had to go with something I'd probably say "data driven"
You can't define it as a singular thing because the top-down direction currently is serving identifiable audiences, so there is no one series that defines a span of 5-10 years anymore.

>>214075900
No Irish no Klingons no targs

>>214076340
but data is not in the new series he is in TNG anon and he does not drive the ship

season 3 is wild

>Everyone should be forced to experience horrible trauma against their will!
Fuck Neelix in this episode

>>214076126
>CoH was shat on well before plebbit was aware of its existence for being a shit episode through and through.
I know that, but it being derided as a racist episode is very recent. To the point where people want it pulled from streaming and the blu-ray sets.

>>214076921
that's one of the most disgusting alien designs I've seen. it's simple yet so ugly

>>214076734
Barrels have no honor!

>>214076126
>CoH was wrongfully shat on*
Pure manifestation of Gene's will and the reason for Yar's existence. Shouldn't have been security chief but a (theoretically) buff chick in Starfleet could fit anywhere.

>>214074045
I've been enjoying Foundation

>>214062316 (OP)
Does it bother anyone that in order to have an offset turbolift, the bridge has to point at an angle relative to direction of travel?

>>214076683
Neex is best girl

>>214071780
Michael Piller was a real gem of a writer-producer.

>The answer can be found in Roddenberry’s Box.

>most writers who have worked on Star Trek over the years would like to throw the box away. It may surprise you to learn that when I took over as head writer, the entire writing staff of Star Trek: The Next Generation was so frustrated and angry with Gene Roddenberry they were counting the days before their contracts expired

>My first time in Roddenberry’s Box was during the very first episode I worked on as head writer. There were no scripts and no stories to shoot the following week. Desperate, I bought a spec script that had been sent in from an amateur writer named Ron Moore who was about to enlist in the U.S. Navy. It was a rough teleplay called “The Bonding” and would require a lot of reworking but I liked the idea. A female Starfleet officer is killed in an accident and her child, overcome with grief, bonds with a holographic recreation of his mother rather than accept her death.

>I sent a short description of the story to Rick and Gene. Minutes later, I was called to an urgent meeting in Gene’s office. “This doesn’t work” he said. “In the Twenty-Fourth Century, no one grieves. Death is accepted as part of life.”

>“All the problems of mankind have been solved,” he said. “Earth is a paradise.” Now, go write drama.His demands seemed impossible at first glance. Even self-destructive.

>And yet, I couldn’t escape one huge reality. Star Trek worked. Or it had for thirty years. Gene must be doing something right.

>>214068774
i think they said it was fought with nuclear missiles in space

>>214077972
>I accepted it as a challenge. Okay, I told the writers, I’m here to execute Roddenberry’s vision of the future, not mine. Let’s stop fighting what we can’t change. These are his rules. How do we do this story without breaking those rules?

>A day later, I asked for another meeting with Gene and Rick. And here’s how I re-pitched the story:

>“When the boy’s mother dies, he doesn’t grieve. He acts like he’s been taught to act — to accept death as a part of life. He buries whatever pain he may be feeling under this Twenty-Fourth Century layer of advanced civilization. The alien race responsible for the accidental death of his mother tries to correct their error by providing a replacement version of her. The boy wants to believe his mother isn’t dead, but our Captain knows she isn’t real and must convince the boy to reject the illusion. In order to do so, the boy must cut through everything he’s been taught about death and get to his true emotions. He must learn to grieve.”

>The new approach respected Roddenberry’s rules and by doing so, became a more complex story. He gave his blessing. And I began to learn how Roddenberry’s Box forced us as writers to come up with new and interesting ways to tell stories instead of falling back into easier, familiar devices.

>The rules of behavior in Roddenberry’s universe have filled books. There are more books dedicated to the personal histories of Star Trek characters as well as detailed cultural histories of the alien races of the Twenty-Fourth Century. And even more books written about Star Trek’s science and technology. Gene and his colleagues over the years have created a tapestry that is not easy for new writers to penetrate.

More from Michael Pillar
>When testing was done on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, the results told us that audiences were unhappy that the characters on board the space station didn’t always get along. And they complained that the “station doesn’t go anywhere.” In other words, they were asking for more of Star Trek: The Next Generation. We made a few adjustments to Deep Space Nine, but the real impact of that research was on the creation of Star Trek: Voyager. It was decided early on that it would be a ship-based show and there were to be no serious conflicts between the characters because that’s what the fans wanted.

>There was a writers’ rebellion of sorts on my last year as head writer at Star Trek, four years after Roddenberry’s death. Some of the writers at Voyager went to Rick to say they wouldn’t return if I came back. It was nothing personal, Rick told me. We were all friends. But my rules were holding them back. My creative demands were suffocating them. They wanted to be free to do the things I wouldn’t let them do as writers.

>I had completed a cycle. Somehow, I’d become the alien replacement for Roddenberry. It had become Piller’s Box.

>>214077972
>Feddies are super atheists who don't give a fuck if their family dies
Will we ever see a pervert autist like Gene again?

>>214077753
now that you point it out, yes. I always just assumed the turbolift itself was offset.
This is truly unsettling

>>214078078
lol that that first paragraph is damning
also his rules tanked insurrection so bad it got sent back for ground-up rewrites multiple times

>>214077972
and now we have cartoon episodes, musical episodes, fake documentary episodes, and puppet episodes

>>214078259
What hindered Voyager, Enterprise and the TNG movies were studio interference by the company that took over the franchise. TNG and DS9 were both insulated from an overbearing studio because of a) different owners and b) syndication meaning they were hamstrung by a network.

>>214078259
Yeah, the original "Heart of Darkness" inspired script for Insurrection wasn't very good at all. It was like a retread of TUC with a bit of TWOK thrown in.

>>214078318
basically some Academy friend of Picard's has gone rogue and found a fountain of youth planet
and he's been doing terrorist attacks against Romulans
and the Romulans are pissed so they tag along with the Enterprise to find this guy
but first they have a formal dinner where they discuss Shakespeare- yeah

>>214078318
The worst part was the character regressions, which didn't entirely get removed since one of Piller's fixations was "the people love mid series TNG, let's just rewind everything to that"
The dude basically had to have basic character stuff explained to him by the actors

>>214078451
Sounds like The Wounded but with Romulans

>>214078513
yeah like Data's emotion chip which was a major plot point in the previous two movies is written off

>>214078513
what regression? the entire crew are selfish pricks throughout the entirety of TNG. want a promotion? get the fuck off enterprisw ASAP.

>>214078565
datas emotion chip was a mistake
>im going to remove it at the first sign of trouble
>first sign of trouble
>not removed
>enterprise destroyed
fuck data

>>214078543
Pretty much yeah. Not that the final product as delivered was any good either but the original spec scripts kind of meandered

>>214077022
It was considered a racist episode albeit not to extent it is today in the 90's as well. Only reason its being brought up these days is mainly clickbait.
The writer who was behind this episode also went on to make that Mongolian episode in SG-1 that everyone bleached their eyes out when they saw it.

>>214078565
>yeah like Data's emotion chip which was a major plot point in the previous two movies is written off
So what you're saying is that Piller was smart.

>>214078673
>everyone bleached their eyes out
Sam was hot as fuck in that dress though.

>>214078565
It made him horny all the time, he had to turn it off because he kept raping

>>214078576
it was all trope'y junk like worf feeling like he's dishonored for being defeated by the dick swinging romulan spec ops villain, and a whole arc of the crew learning to be a family or some shit
stewart's letter to them dropping a hard veto on the script had like two pages devoted to tearing it apart, one of his major sticking points was basically "these are stories we told in the tv show, and we told them better there"

and then you remember most fans hate the tng movies because they aren't like the tv show

>>214066169
Trekpu did nothing wrong.

Meet Geordi LaForge

Another interesting read is the draft script for First Contact. Picard and Riker swap roles; Riker stays on the ship while Picard is stuck on Earth in the past. His whole revenge thing against the Borg is not even a factor.

>>214078996
I know the entire point of first drafts is to just get ideas onto page knowing problems will be smoothed out later but... that's up there among most bizarre writing choices possible

>>214078996
>>214078804
>these are stories we told in the tv show
>give me a fucking tommy gun and a dune buggy
goddamnit patrick stewart

>>214063923
You have no taste

Someone bake new

>>214079588
we got some time

>>214079597
THERE'S NO TIME!
NOT ENOUGH TIME!!!!!!

>>214078218
Meh that's what inertial dampers are for (I assume)

>SNW season 3 stuck in LD plots
the amount of times I've just been uttering "ugh" while watching these episodes is just way too high. The writers are just terrible people throwing garbage out to fill screentime. I feel so bad for these amazing actors.

>>214062316 (OP)
Is Vulcan cock circumcised? Asking for a friend?

>>214068642
Cristina Chong's good looks and skill is literally the only thing that's keeping me around in s3.

>>214080283
>people thought STD and Prickard were too edgy let's course correct to Marvel tier instead