Thread 214064389

>When prompted who would win in a fight between Jamie Lannister and Aragorn, George R.R. Martin gave an interesting response, vouching for his creation in the fight. He explains that Jaime Lannister would likely win the duel purely for the fact that he would show up in plate armor, whereas Aragorn generally only occasionally wears chain mail or leather. "Armor was invented for a reason. It's good to wear armor if you're fighting with sharp pieces of metal."

Is George right? Aragorn isn't capable of fighting someone who's wearing armor??

>>214064389 (OP)
>Aragorn shows up after Jaime loses his hand
Nothing personal

>>214064389 (OP)
The how come Oberyn won against The Mountain when he wasn't wearing any armor at all?

>>214064389 (OP)
If that’s the case, how did Aragorn fight Sauronman on top of Mt. Hood?!

Isn't Aragon a superhuman?

>>214064497
you might want to go back and watch the end of the fight

>>214064776
Is plot armor a superpower? He's a skilled guy, that's it.

>>214064776
He is, Martin just want to be a smartass.

George wrote Jaime beating Rand al'Thor from Wheel of Time despite having no magical powers

>>214064795
I mean it wasn't really a fight by that point, Oberyn was just standing next to Gregor as he was lying on the ground then he got tripped and got a head message.

>>214064776
At the very least he's long lived and has like 70 or so years of continuous experience at arms which would easily put him way over Jaime who is like 30.

>>214064776
Yes. He's practically a demi-god. I'm convinced the fat hack hasn't even read LOTR. A better comparison would be Jaime vs Boromir since they're both just very skilled but not supernatural warriors

>>214064854
Also Hermione and Cthulhu

>>214064776
Aragorn in LOTR is 87 years old. He is a Dúnedain of Númenórean descent. The Númenóreans were practically super human men. He has ridiculous stamina and skill.

>>214064389 (OP)

Didn't Bronn prefer leather armor because the full plate armor would limit his movement? He did win that fight against a fully armored knight.

https://youtu.be/veVX-kLyzFA

https://youtube.com/shorts/2RKKpbTMsdU

>>214064776

Has Numenorean blood and was trained by both Elves and Arnorian rangers

>>214064389 (OP)
chainmail is better than plate armor in every way except maybe weight
im tired bros...

>>214064882
>Not supernatural
Book Boromir killed something close to over 50 orcs before he got shot down by the uruk-hai.
People seem to forget that Boromir. like all Gondorians, also has dunedáin blood, albeit less so than Aragorn.

>my character would beat yours in a fight!
lmao

Grrm has mentally regressed back to junior high

>>214064389 (OP)
grrm retarded yet again... in duels they usually didn't wear their armor.

>>214064497
he used a poison spear and poked him in unarmored spots

GRRM can't even remember his own internal logic. Jamie is a great swordsman and has plate armour! Then he has Bronn defeat a guy in full armour. And for all the talk about full armour, there are videos that show how people could move fairly well in it and weren't bumbling idiots. But then he also has Oberyn basically poison The Mountain who was in full armour. So which is it? But Aragorn is simply shown to have: better skills, better weapons, better leadership skills, better fighting skills. And yet GRRM is still like pfft my character beats yours.

Recently someone asked a question to GRRM at a convention about how he is going to die soon and people booed. But all during the panel, GRRM had been a rude and haughty cunt to others, talking about how intelligent he was. The man is a mess.

>>214066840
That's not how full plate armor works

>>214064389 (OP)
So Aragorn should've been carrying full plate armor on the entire quest, when losing steeds meant to carry their heavy stuff was already a constant problem?

>>214064389 (OP)
Isn't Aragorn from a race of half-elf man who live for hundreds of years and are super strong and agile?

>>214064896
Wasn't he like 7 feet tall too?

>>214066619
Yeah wasn't there like a pile of dead orcs by him?

>>214064389 (OP)
I wonder who would win in a fight between a dude with numenorian blood and close to a century of combat experience... and some guy.

GRRM wrote a short story to prove that Jamie could beat Luna Lovegood in a fight too. Some people shit on him for it but I appreciate that kind of thing. Fans do it online all the time, it's nice to have someone official jump in.

>>214064854
lmao that's straight retarded

>>214068131
6'6''

Ironically GRRM has never been clear how tall Jamie is but in one fanfic which GRRM himself wrote, Jamie has to at least be the same height as Aragorn.

>>214064389 (OP)
>coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

>>214064854
i thought this was a fucking joke but it's real http://grrm.livejournal.com/147038.html

>>214068170

I think he was surrounded by dead orcs and had a bunch of arrows sticking out of him.

>>214069758
For some reason I seem to remember the word pile or mound being used but it's been quite a few years since I read the book.

>>214067876

I think in the Silmarillion, Elrond's brother chose to be mortal and we'd into the lineage of humans and was ancestor of Aragorn. Been a while since I read the Silmarillion but I used Google to look it up.

>>214064389 (OP)
What is Jaime's tax policy?

>>214069805

I think Aragorn, Legalos and Gimli put Boromir's body into a boat. Then they gathered all the Uruk Hai and Orcs and put them into a pile all the while stripping them of their armor and weapons. They took the Orcish weapons and armor and put a bunch of them in the boat with Boromir because they were his spoils of war before sending the boat down the river.

>>214069879

Okay, there was no pile. Just some 20 Orcs strewn across the battlefield where Boromir fought them. Aragorn, Legalos and Gimli took the swords, helmets and shields from the Orcs and put them into a pile because they were going to put them into the funeral boat with Boromir. It's the first few pages of The Two Towers.

>>214069879
>>214069805

Okay, you were right.

>He was sitting with his back to a great tree, as if he was resting. But Aragorn saw that he was pierced with many black-feathered arrows; his sword was still in his hand, but it was broken near the hilt; his horn cloven in two at his side. Many Orcs lay slain, piled all about him and at his feet.

>>214070089
Ah thanks. I lost all my books a while back and haven't bought those again so I can't just go and check.

>>214064389 (OP)
>Mmm yes my normal human Gary Stu would totally beat a no human superhuman with a hundred years of experience

>>214069813
/thread
Lannister fags btfo

>>214064389 (OP)
GURM is not qualified to discuss Tolkien. He's a hack writer of smut anti-fantasy.

>>214064389 (OP)
>whereas Aragorn generally only occasionally wears chain mail or leather.
Aragorn's not wearing a light outfit because he thinks it's the most effective thing for a battle. He's wearing that stuff because he spends nearly the entire adventure traveling on foot. He dons chainmail because it's the only thing that was fucking available at Helm's Deep; the only guy who had access to plate there was the literal king of the realm.

Did George forget that every single soldier in Gondor is kitted out in a full plate harness?

>>214069813
We're not to the point of just letting A.I. settle arguments. It's often wrong. It just aggregates what people have posted online. We know that there's a lot of lies online. This is why we don't just "ask" A.I. and then trust the answer like it's gospel truth.
You can't really do that with "google" either. You have to dig deeper.

>>214064776
Wasn't he also immortal until he accidentally dropped his amulet and broke it into a million pieces? How can you be that clumsy

>>214064497
Because of sonic the hedgehog and Bruce lee derangement syndrome, that makes people think that manlets have a chance of winning against a guy 5 weight classes higher than them

>>214070380
Ok, bot

>>214064776
Basically all Numenoreans are, their average height is like 6'5

>>214070380
>We're
Speak for yourself, chud.

>>214064776
And he also trained with elves and can literally move with such lightness and grace he can traverse thick foliage unseen and unheard for hours at a time. He ran for days across rugged terrain in pursuit of the orcs that took Pippin and Merry. His stamina is incredible and far exceeds olympic level tier men at their physical peak.

Jaime is a 32 year old normie human that's a "really good swordsman", whatever the fuck that means. He would blunder around in full armor swinging and missing the much faster and much more physically adapt Aragorn and gas out in 2 minutes. Aragorn would probably toy with him the whole time too and just let Jaime exhaust himself. And if Aragorn took it seriously he can swing his sword much harder and faster than Jaime can. It'd be akin to a 10 year old dueling at a 26 year old.

Fathack has no understanding of physical activity or fighting. He's the cringiest type of turbo nerd that thinks there is such a thing as fighting smart. He has no idea how exhausting duels are even if you're not wearing anything - even world class fighters need breaks after 2-3 minutes of maneuvering around and swinging fists, never mind how tiring being in full plate whipping a sword around that's constantly being parried by someone much tougher than you would be. Jaime's wrists would be a fucking fire after a minute from all the clashing. The biggest danger a lot of knights faced was becoming so tired they could only lay there helpless from exhaustion after a short while of fighting and having the enemy stab them in vulnerable parts of the armor while too tired to fight back.

As other anons have pointed out, it's becoming more and more clear GRRM either didn't read LOTR or he's a turbo retard autist brainlet (imo it's both)

>>214068371
>But the greatest danger remained. Melisandre had given birth, and the twisted shadow that had emerged from her womb was flying toward the farm boy, swift as thought.

This is literally just an edgelord Medieval X-Men fight between OC DONUT STEEL heroes and a well established character. I can't believe people are actually fans of this lolcow's writing lmao

>>214070380
I agree with you but in this case Aragorn does descend from Elros. His bloodline can be traced directly to Thingol which was an elf that saw the blessed realm and the Valar (gods) themselves and Melian who was a spirit not unlike the Valar but of lesser stature. In a way you could say it's a literal divine lineage

Aragorn fighting Jaime is akin to a Chinese Wuxia monk fighting a world class IRL boxer. They're not even comparable and if somehow they wound up in combat the grimderp "realistic" fighter would be effortlessly trounced by the more fantastical character. GRRM is so goddamn stupid it hurts.

What a retarded discussion, even in his own show he was useless trash that got pushed around.all he had was his reputation but it never showed when it mattered. Then u take hiss hand away and he is even worse than regular cripple. Raped by bronn, raped by Brianne, raped by those stupid sand woman. I bet there was more too. Then talking about how he is like super good all the time must be the biggest joke ever.

>>214064389 (OP)
Not as retarded as the time grrm wrote an entire fanfic to say jamie would beat rand fucking al'thor in a duel.
It's definitely close in the levels of retardation though but for entirely opposite ends of the spectrum.
It's funny how a guy so autistic about lore and worldbuilding he whined about aragorn's tax policy doesn't seem to get anything regarding lore and why jamie's abilities don't translate to any real fantasy setting where superhuman strength speed and magic start becoming factors.

>>214067604
iirc, oberyn poked him in the armpit while the mountain was trying to shield his eyes from the reflected sun.
there are no plate pieces covering the armpit weirdly enough. only mail.
i'm unsure if he struck him the back of the knee but lower tier armour doesn't cover the it. and riding armour doesn't cover the back of thigh area.
pic related is king Henry VIII foot combat armour and you can see the armpit gap.
when he pins him down, he strikes him below the breastplate iirc so the mountain's armour doesn't cover as much as king Henry's armour.

>>214071721
His self-insert is Sam.

Jaime wouldn't just lose the fight, he would literally shit and cum as he realized "It's Over" That's what ASOIAF is famous for. Kill whoever asked this shit. Unless they're just trolling Martin.

>>214071854
All the main characters are his self inserts.

Georgey boy apparently missed the part where Strider personally duelled five undead ringwraiths and won.

If I recall correctly that makes him more of an opponent for the sword of the morning. I'm not sure GRRM even understands his own characters all that well.

>>214071912
He doesn't understand the premise of his own series, despite going on and on about it for decades
He continually claims asoiaf is a more mature and grounded counterpart to Tolkein, yet alos wants to win playground 'who would win' arguments

>>214071912
Jaime could also duel 5 ringwraiths.

>>214071975
I'd be curious as to what elements exactly makes the world of Asoiaf more grounded than Tolkien.

At the beginning of fellowship we literally spend half the book in a low-fantasy setting where the most supernatural element is the ringwraiths. Gandalf doesn't even show up until they reach Rivendell, which is obviously more fantastical in nature but not out of any magic or otherworldy-power. Meanwhile the fat man has a giant wall bigger than anything observed in human history irl, blood magic and wildfire, which explicitly burns as hot as dragon flame.

In Fellowship the only truly supernatural moments are the summoning of the river spirits against the nazgul, the attack of the watcher outside moria, and the encounter with the balrog. Meanwhile Martin is banging on about white walkers and ice spiders from nearly the first chapter.

>>214072043
The point is to discuss actual feats depicted in their canon. I know Jaime fought the smiling knight (stated rather than shown, actually), but against single opponents Aragorn has several examples also.

It's even more important to point out that Aragorn isn't exactly one character, but Two.

>>214072117
>giant wall bigger than anything observed in human history
gurm didn't realise how big he'd made it. He is legitimately retarded

>>214064389 (OP)
There is a reason George said this, and that reason is this, Jaime is the last hero. George has borrowed a lot of plot points from various European mythologies. Irish and Norse in particular. Jaime is mix of Nuada, Tyr and Siggurd or Siegfried. Nuada in particular. Nuada in Irish mythos is the king of the Tuatha who loses his hand in battle and has it replaced with a silver hand, which becomes a working magical hand, that sounds familiar doesn't it. Nuada also had a magic sword made of light, which was also known as the blade of the three women. Jaime has access to a red sword, two in fact. What color was Azor Ahai's sword and what was it called, the red sword of heroes! Now onto the sword of three women, there are three important women is Jaime's life, Catelyn Stark, Cersei, and Brienne of tarth. When Azor Ahai forged Lightbringer, he first used water, this will be Catelyn, and then a lion, which will be Cersei, and then his one true love, Brienne of Tarth. He will survive Lady Stoneheart, he will kill Cersei to become the valonqar, and then somehow Brienne will be mortally wounded, and he will ask her to bare her breast, for he loved her more than anything, and he will plunge Lightbringer into her heart, giving her the gift of mercy. Jaime will be born again as Azor Ahai, wielding Lightbringer, and he will lead mankind against the Others. He will probably die fighting Euron Greyjoy, another character based upon a figure from Irish mythology. Balor of the evil eye.

That's if George finishes this fucking series, and I don't think he will. I hope I'm wrong

>>214072215
None of that will happen, because George is a fucking jack who can't even maintain genre consistency.

>>214064389 (OP)
Who would win in a fight—mecha jesus or my neighbor Dennis?

>>214072156
>Aragornicorn

>>214064389 (OP)
>Is George right? Aragorn isn't capable of fighting someone who's wearing armor??
More like Tolken was extremely uninterested in describing weapons or armor that weren't magical.
>>214064776
ye

>>214072246
He has been perfectly consistent. Magic is coming back to the world. That is something those 2 show dipshits never understood

>>214072295
More like the character of Strider and the character of Aragorn can be considered distinctive enough to treat them as separate identities of the same persona. Like Bruce Wayne and Batman kinda.

Part of why I'm a little bit hype for the Hunt for Gollum film being talked about in the usual places - though the old fan movie is still rather kino despite being independent media. We don't get to spend a lot of time with Strider, who is very much the fantasy hero we expect of a low fantasy setting. Aragorn on the other hand is very much on the path to kingship after he is acknowledged as such by Boromir, who reminds him that he has duty and obligation to his kin as a leader, rather than as a lone hunter of the wilds.

>>214072335
> Perfectly consistent.
Uh huh.

>>214064497
>Only personality is being big
>Only personality is being gay
Riveting shit

They wouldn't fight. Aragorn's chad aura would drive away the darkness inside Jaime. He'd kneel and weep and then rise up a true knight.
https://youtu.be/OvnFBIQCE5c?feature=shared

>>214070909
Based post. So weird of fattie to say such a thing when he literally had the Mountain all but defeated by Oberyn due to him being fast, agile, and smart about where he stuck the point of his spear. Gurm's stupid claim presumes Aragorn is reduced to a 50 IQ angry retard

>>214072574
Most modern thinkers would struggle even to conjure an iota of the intellect and capability of medieval philosophers, though I appreciate the song behind your jest.

>>214072574
>there were free trips to Dubai?
This is quite funny given who GRRM is. Now I wouldn't mind a trip to Dubai, but I am *not* a moralfagging leftist unlike GRRM. If he was principled and consistent he'd rag on Dubai being some neo-slave state or some shit like that.

In Gurm terms, Aragorn is as big and strong as the Mountain, as fast as the Viper, as skilled as Arthur Dayne and as experienced as Barristan Selmy.
The real question is who can beat Elendil who is 7'11" and the purest blood Numernigga since Elros.

>Legolas has superhuman senses and agility
>Aragorn has super DNA for a human
Gimli is.....stubborn? That's bullshit all dwarves should have retard strength at the very least.

>>214064882
Jamie vs Borimir isn’t a fair fight either.

>>214072335
>Magic is coming back to the world.
>End of book five out of seven: magic still hasn't come back int he world.
Thank you for proving anons point

>>214072665
They have the most powerful ability. One that even Isildur only briefly tapped into in order to defeat Sauron. Manlet rage

>>214072665
Dwarves were known to have great aptitude for being slow to tire, to have great stonework and also cunning with tinkering things. While not as capable as the elves for building arcane artefacts such as the rings of power or the silmarils, they were a proud people, being short, sturdy creatures fond of drink and industry.

They were also great friends of men, seeing them as a race of creatures worthy of respect and admiration, as after all the dwarves were created in expectation of their coming, when Aule sought to emulate the work of Illuvatar.

>the year is 2061
>GRRM is still alive, sustained by the 2029 legalized baby blood treatments
>he enters the room to be interviewed via hoverthrone, with smell emanating from his 400lb form
>"Wow, 50 YEARS SINCE A DANCE WITH DRAGONS. Oh my science, do you think we can get Winds soon Mr. Martin?!?!" asks the neo-soi boi
>GRRM flashes a wrys mirk
>"......Mayhaps......" his mechanical voice replies smugly

>>214072693
You haven't even read the books. The Alchemist's Guild quite literally say when making wildfire for Tyrion, "Our spells are way more potent some reason, which is why we have been able to make to much. You see fire mages able to create fire ladders. Glass candles are burning again. Melisandre being able to birth shadow babies by stealing Stannis's lifeforce. All there.

>>214072826
Anon, when exactly did magic stop being a facet of life in the game of thrones setting.

There's like five kings between the dance with dragons period and the song of ice and fire period. The dragons dying out can't of been that long prior. The British throne had more monarchs than that even in just 200 years.

Are westerosi people retarded?

>>214068218
I think people mainly shit on him because he'll write literally anything except the books people actually care about

>>214072826
>You haven't even read the books.
Why do you retards always say this when challenged about anything? DO you honestly htink people are pretending to read the books for credibility points? They midwit trash.

>>214072693
There's a pirate with a volcano arm, ice zombies, ice elves, dragons, face stealers, necromancy, magic green fire, extradimensional haunted houses or maybe just drugs or both, shadow demons, druidic animal possession, and more by the time of book 5. The only thing GoT/ASOIF is not have it in your face like some normal everyday thing for normies and shitters. It's "rare" but only if you aren't looking for it. Anyone that wants to find magic, often does.

>>214064389 (OP)
>Super human with over half a century of non stop combat experience wielding a magical sword vs some Palace Guard basedboy whose greatest combat experience is stabbing a man in the back
That fat fuck basically breaking even his own rules. Bronn would beat the shit out of Jamie according to his own books.

>>214064389 (OP)
Did he forget Aragorn has far more experience and he fights and wins against superhuman creatures thought-out all of LOTR and finished it as an actual king so might just maybe have access to however much armour he wanted.

>>214064389 (OP)
Doesn't matter what was said, fat people don't get a vote on anything. Especially physical things.

>>214072907
Magic was never a facet of life in ASOIAF. Magic in this setting is rare, magic users are rare, it is rare because it is fucking dangerous, that why Ashai is all fucked up, because magic requires lifeforce. Magic mostly stopped when the last dragon died, but there was always a little left, like little puffs of smoke on the wind. There has been way more kings than that. Since Aegon's Conquest was like 300 years before the first book,, there has been like 17 Targaryen kings. The last dragon died like a hundred years before Dunk and Egg. it is heavily implied that the Maesters killed it.

Jaime would lose because he's a "realistic" character

Meanwhile LOTR is fantasy capeshit. Aragon will just stab him through his armor and say something like "oh my sword is magic elf steel folded 1000 times and cuts through anything other than mithril"

>>214073100
Fucking implying that big fucking dragons aren't inherently magical.

>>214072156
Resisting Sauron in the Palantir is more impressive than any combat in LotR or ASoIaF.

>>214073125
Forged by dwarves, actually. I wouldn't expect a filthy fellow like yourself to know that though.

>>214073174
Yes, because at the end of the day Tolkien isn't actually about combat, and discussions of this nature quickly become tiresome for those who remember the smell of freshly cut grass and the sun setting in the evening.

>>214073164
Never said they weren't. They were created by some kind of fucked up blood magic, whether by the Valyrians of maybe the Great Empire of the Dawn, or by the Ashaii

>>214073220
So, you're telling me that the culture of westeros and the shape of the powers of the game of thrones world exist because of magic flying lizards.

Got you.

>>214073234
And ice elves, and a magic ice wall made by forest elves and old witch engineers or something, and there's a mafia of face changers you can pay to kill anyone you want whenever you want, they probably influenced some shit, and sorcerers who use baby dicks to cast spells.

>>214073234
Uh yeah, Aegon and his sisters conquered Westoros with their dragons. The armies of the 7 kingdoms had no way to fight them, and after the armies of the Reach and the Westerlands got nuked, everyone said fuck that and bent the knee

>>214073265
I thought this was supposed to be grounded in realism anon. How is the setting meant to be simultaneously so full of magic and wonder and yet we're also expected to take people seriously when they claim it to be gritty and down to earth?

>>214072117
Right out of the gate LOTR is centered around a race of agile midges who can live to be 100+ years without effort and their 40s/50s are akin to being in the late 20s for humans. Aragorn himself is unnatural, being a nearly 7 foot 100+ year old Gigachad descended from ubermensch. Gandalf is a literal angel. Tom Bombadil is some kind of Eldritch being.

All these characters are right there in the first quarter of the first book. Just because none of them are giving birth to shadow demons or wielding flaming swords right out of the gate doesn't mean Middle Earth isn't oozing far more magic and mysticism than Westeros. Tolkien was just better at making his fantastical world seem realistic and plausible and subtle, whereas Fathack is shit writer who can't maintain tonal consistency and wants to pretend his world is down to earth low fantasy while also filling it with ridiculous levels of hackneyed pulp fantasy shit like dragons and zombies and spells whose source or limitations he'll never explain.

>>214064389 (OP)
Fat retard thinks because tolkien called them "human" they were just some guys.
No Jaime has no chance at all against Aragorn who has 80 years of experience swordfighting. This sounds stupid at first glance but Aragorn has far above average stamina and strength, is far better at fighting and much more determined.
It's a no diff for Aragorn.

>>214070909
There's also the fact that getting hit in armor isn't "free" there is blowback and damage especially if you hit the head. Though you'd rather have a mace or a hammer for that sort of work.

>>214073100
>giant lizards larger and heavier than elephants that defy all laws of physics by flying through the air and breathing fire and are tamed exclusively by this one lineage of people who all have silver hair aren't a ridiculously magical concept

>>214070675
It's not a boxing match, it's a fight with pointy things. In general strength is the bigger advantage than just being nimble, but it's not like in any conceivable match up it wouldn't just boil down to who has the advantage of reach and who could out-maneuver who.

>>214064389 (OP)
We've been over this a thousand times. Jaime is a prodigy with the sword and easily top 3 in GoT, but Aragorn has several times the experience by virtue of being 90 and is a literal superhuman. The part of his genetics he inherited from Numenor makes him stronger, faster, more agile, gives him more endurance and ability than a regular human like Jamie.

Arthur Dayne WITH Dawn would be a better question.

>>214064776
the fantasy world of tolkien seems to allow much more room for legendary heroes than got

>>214064874
what message did his head get?

>>214070380
indeed, except it's used right (by a knowledgeable person who wants to validate uncertainties)

>>214073888
Pedro fatigue is real.

Has nobody read LoTR? The mere presence of Aragorn in Gondor makes Sauron, the biggest baddest Evil for thousands of years, tremble with fear and blow his load too early by sending his armies away from Mordor to kill him. Aragorn won the war by sheer aura.

Who the fuck is Jamie Laninster.

>>214073730
Not to mention Aragorn has Narsil/Anduril, the broken part of which he carried with him until it was reforged during the council of elrond. Even if we presume Aragorn is using the broken part in the durl, Jaime's sword is Valyrian steel, whose only magic properties is that it stays sharp and can kill zombies. We know that valyrian steel can be broken and melted down, while Narsil was shattered only by a literal fallen angel and had to be reforged by literal magic used by elves, who also reforged it so that it can never break, so even fighting with the broken portion odds are Aragorn - who is way stronger than Jamie and wielding a magic sword - would probably just break Jamie's mundane sword at some point in the duel.

>>214064854
I'm surprised Gurm's self-insert Sam didn't defeat Rand al'Thor.

>>214073867
>Heroism is fantasy
No

>>214064776
He is in peak physical condition but is by no means superhuman

>>214073966
People forget that Anduril is intended to be used with a side sword, also...

>>214074014
>He is in peak physical condition but is by no means superhuman
Wrong dumbass.

>>214073913
oh i get it
you're saying the mountain wasn't trying to kill oberyn he was just a little bit anxious

who gives a fuck what gurrm thinks, finish the fucking books