Thread 214239969

das rite

ah yes let me guess ivan, she was really a white person despite being african?

Who the fuck learns about a 2000 year old Egyptian in 21st century western high school?

>>214239969 (OP)
Reminder that Tariq Nasheed genuinely believed this until he got a DNA test that said he was 90% West African and the rest white/native so now he pretends black people are the real Indians

>Both types of genomic material showed that ancient Egyptians shared little DNA with modern sub-Saharan Africans. Instead, their closest relatives were people living during the Neolithic and Bronze ages in an area known as the Levant. Strikingly, the mummies were more closely related to ancient Europeans and Anatolians than to modern Egyptians.
https://www.nature.com/articles/546017a
https://web.archive.org/web/20250126123852/https://www.nature.com/articles/546017a

>>214240212
>New Kingdom is the oldest sample
useless

>>214239990
True, Elon Musk is black

>>214240338
Cleopatra was alive like 1100 years after the New Kingdom

Haven’t seen this thread in awhile

>>214239990
white cave beasts attacked and took over Egypt so yeah she could be

>>214239990
>African
Not born in Africa. Not of African descent. Just boss of an African country (though still more of a Middle Eastern one).

>>214239990
Ash filled buckets been real quiet since this post dropped

>>214240462
what is that supposed to mean?

>>214239990
Low iq troon

>>214239969 (OP)
so black people had jewish slaves?

>>214240541
das rite

>>214240399
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubia
>From the 3rd century BC to 3rd century AD, northern Nubia was invaded and annexed to Egypt, ruled by the Greeks and Romans. This territory was known in the Greco-Roman world as Dodekaschoinos.

>>214240572
not quite

>>214239969 (OP)
She was almost certainly mixed. She came from a family of hunchback inbreeds but was called a generational beauty. One of these things is not like the others.

>>214239969 (OP)
Neither of these people look full black

>>214240620
mixed what? Macedonian?

>>214239969 (OP)
Where did the whole Cleopatra was black thing even come from to begin with? Why her of all people?

Of all the Egyptian rulers why did they decide that the woman with a Greek name from a famous Macedonian family who ruled in a Greek city was the best to blackwash?

>>214240581
Ok and?

>>214239969 (OP)
I dont care about reality, my wrong emotions are what matters

>>214240754
It's literally because they're so historically illiterate that Cleopatra is the only example of Egypt's historical nobility that they actually know about & recognize by name.
They know 1. She existed, 2. Was important, and 3. Was supposedly desirable, and therefore she was black.

>>214240697
Mixed from having sex with locals. Dark skinned people. Blacks.

>>214240654
That's kinda the whole point. That American blacks would rather cling to the fantasy of being KANGZ then accept their ancestors were lower lvl tribesmen that were sold to slavery and raped by their masters to the point their skin is barely black anymore

>>214240754
Literally as simple as "Egypt is an Africa, so she's black" there's no actual logic to it. And why Cleopatra - they don't know any other Egyptian ruler

>>214240854
any proofs or just your mind warped fetish?

>>214240893
My proof is that her family was ugly as sin. They got action from slaves, their own family members and man-whores. If it was incest she'd be ugly, if it was a man-whore or a slave they could hide it especially if she could pass and darkies were often among the man-whores and slaves. So chances are she was mixed. Her directly or her mom or grandma. Then again we have no body so we will never know for sure but it makes more sense than the company line about her lineage.

>>214240581
good job proving shes greek from the ptolemaic dynasty you fuckin retard, bait better

>>214240754
Black Americans have a deep insecurity around history because ultimately their only recognizable origin is as slaves. They were captured from many tribes and deliberately separated and mixed among others, punished for speaking native languages and encouraged to adopt European religious traditions. So ultimately the slave population's primary identity was as just that: slaves. Servile, oppressed, less than.
So, particularly in the early 20th c, there was a desperate desire to create a racial myth on par with white racial mythology: a glorious past that could be pointed to that would grant black Americans a sense of dignified identity. But West Africa was a conquered land, and besides that no one group could be traced as the heroic origin of black Americans. Egypt on the other hand is an undeniably impressive civilization, spoken of with reverence by even the Romans. Egypt is also conveniently African, and indeed, *SOME* Egyptians were black. So black American nationalists created a mythos around a white washed Egypt, a black civilization whose identity was stolen but could now be reclaimed. This wasn't serious academic work, it was pop culture myth created for one of the poorest groups in the nation to feel dignified. So Cleopatra, a famously beautiful and influential woman, became a symbol of Black ancestral heroism. She became a rallying cry
>The most beautiful woman in the world was Black! Stop lying about her!

It's of course absurd. Personally I think the national myth of a people who lost everything, fought for their freedom, and became a cornerstone of art and culture is good enough, but then I'm just a Yakubian ape.

>>214241678
can’t people just take pride in human accomplishments because they’re human?

>>214241747
not if they're racists (like black americans are). then they can only take pride in black achievements.

>>214240697
This makes me angry.

>>214241747
To be blunt, I suspect this is more challenging in America for black people than most. Whether you like it or not, your appearance has a huge influence on how you're treated and perceived. There are plenty of black patriots, black Americans who love European history, black weebs, etc, but I think for many there's a constant threat of "but why aren't you proud of our *own* people?!"
You also have to remember that this mythos has no existed for about a century. The older a myth is, the harder it is to displace.
Consider the legend of the Minute Men: heroic farmer soldiers who used guerilla tactics and cunning to defeat the organized and hide kind red coats. This is a central American myth, it plays into our ideology of rugged individualism, of heroic clever under dogs against well equipped oppressors.
It's also nonsense.
The Minute Men *were* an essential part of the rebellion, but we only actually *won* when we could produce line troops who could stand against the Empire. Disorganized skirmishers in the woods make for great legends, but they don't win wars. And yet, this myth persists, and most Americans will reject on some fundamental level that our heroic rebellion only ended when we could produce proper European style troops, rather than a bunch of cool backwoods men overcoming all odds.

>>214239990
Jared Taylor was born in Japan, that doesn't make him Japanese.
Cleopatra was from a particularly inbred line of one of Alexander the Great's generals. Even beyond that, look at modern Egyptians. That's what ancient Egyptians looked like.

Blacks will say literally anything with complete confidence while being extremely stupid and uninformed with zero shame or self reflection.

>>214243210
>look at modern Egyptians. That's what ancient Egyptians looked like.
>>214240212
>Strikingly, the mummies were more closely related to ancient Europeans and Anatolians than to modern Egyptians.

>>214243287
Modern Egyptians have more sub Saharan admixture thanks to the Islamic slave trade, but modern Egyptians are generally what they looked like, especially Coptic Egyptians who didn't mix with black slaves. "More closely related to Europeans" doesn't mean much when every "out of Africa" population is more closely related to each other than they are to blacks.

>>214240841
lmfao

>>214243282
and they get really mad when you point it out and try to flip it on white people

>>214243383
>but modern Egyptians are generally what they looked like
Source? DNA tests suggest otherwise.
>"More closely related to Europeans" doesn't mean much when every "out of Africa" population is more closely related to each other than they are to blacks.
See >>214240493
DNA means a lot.

>>214239969 (OP)
This is basically the foundation of modern black philosophy.
>I don't care if everything I believe is bullshit, I believe it anyway.

https://youtu.be/OdugYf2r90w

>>214241124
>bnwo porn addict educating others on historical figures

>>214239990
Is the real "we know you're raiding Ivan" poster dead?

>>214239969 (OP)

Why don't Hoteps care about really cool and undeniably black African kingdoms like Mali, Songhai, Aksum, and Nubia?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2xNFX8dRwM

>>214240610
Where'd you find my sandals?

This post has been spammed for years at this point

>>214243658
idk but ive been pretending to be him to make him look retarded at times for fun
i also pretend to be krager and the basken robbbins guy

>>214241747
No. Black people need to see themselves in the media they consume.

>>214241124
So no proof? She wasn't a "generational beauty" either. Why do niggers get all their historical knowledge from hollywood memes? She was charming and alluring. Writers mention that men who fell for her had prettier wives.

>>214239969 (OP)
Remember when Netflix tried this and pissed literally all of Egypt off? Yeah, she was basically white, tough shit.

>>214243698
>ive been pretending to be him to make him look retarded at times for fun
I've thought it would be funny to call someone Russian for insulting Rey Palpatine but I never did because I care about the integrity of annoying board schizos.

>>214243773
>oh no! The poor brown people are offended! So much for the tolerant left

>>214243890
They actually were, the backlash was amusing to see. While people who whined about changing history were changing history. She wasnt even black, so why cast her as a black woman? This is why I never gave Netflix money and watch American Dad on kimcartoon.

>>214239969 (OP)
The Egyptian aristocracy was Greek. The Greek aristocracy was white.

>>214240018
based

>>214243731
Believe whatever you want to believe its no skin off my nose. We both know what I'm saying makes more sense than what they want you to believe tho.

>>214239990
Pretty sure she was from that one royal line of greeks that ruled Egypt for 700 years or so.

still seething, chuds?

>>214239969 (OP)
>Claims Cleopatra was black
>Hires a half-white girl to play her

>>214243773
>>214243930
Cleopatra wasn't Greek/Macedonian. That's a fact. Cleopatra's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was ethnically Macedonian. You know how many grandparents you have 7 generations back? 512. Imagine going on pol and telling them that you're white because one of your 256 7xgreat-grandfathers was Macedonian. Do you think any of your fellow chuds would accept that?

>>214239969 (OP)
>I am willing back up my ignorance with acts of violence and property destruction
yeah we know. we know.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/0OkheGapNpvE

>>214243698
Kys shartyfag

>>214240482
sounds like a jewish slurr, but then there are plenty of negros with very ashy, dry, flaky skin

>>214239969 (OP)
Why were the Romans in this show white instead of brown like the totally-not-pajeets on /tv/ insist they are?

>>214244095
WRONG. This a Ptolemy family tree.

>>214244308
Actually chud, they were all secretly having children with shoe polish black sub saharan slaves. It was just like my interracial porn.

>>214244045
It’s desperation cosplay, yeah. Cleopatra isn’t some lost Nubian queen whose legacy was stolen — she was literally the tail end of a Macedonian soap opera dynasty where everyone married their cousin twice removed to keep Greek bloodlines intact. That’s not me editorializing, that’s the family tree you dropped: it’s basically a spider web of Ptolemy hooking up with Cleopatra hooking up with another Ptolemy until the names repeat like a broken record.

The “she was Black” angle isn’t about history, it’s about scoreboard. If you can slap Cleopatra on a poster and say, “See? She was one of us,” then you’ve symbolically stolen Egypt as a cultural victory. they want a mythic ancestor they can put on merch.

What’s cringe is needing that validation in the first place. Like, imagine your cultural pride being so malnourished that your only flex is adopting somebody else’s half-Greek, Roman-boyfriend-having, dynasty-collapsing queen and pretending she’s a symbol of your people. Cleopatra’s biggest “W” was seducing Rome while her kingdom rotted. That’s not empowerment, that’s fanfiction.

>>214244353
Literally seething.

>>214244398
>marcus
Literally an African name, retard

>>214244095
>retard doesn't know they brought wives from Macedonia the first few generations and then just started inbreeding both as a way to keep their lineage pure and because that's what most of the ancient pharaohs did
Brainlet alert

>>214239969 (OP)
and yet they picked a mixed race one to play her lmao

A huge complaint with the ancient egyptian ethnicity argument I have that I never see mentioned is the average person's incredibly vague understanding of "ancient egypt" as a chronological term. Even if we assume most people refer to Middle Kingdom Egypt that's around 300 years. Furthermore it spanned so many decades and had such nebulous borders that it's not even clear who and where the "Egyptians" were without specifying a dynasty. Just look at anywhere else in the world over the course of 300 years and see how much changes. But people seem to think they were one cohesive ethnicity and identity not being diluted or changed all acting stereotypically until things just changed apparently. Arguing about the ethnicities of specific figures or regions I can see, but using blanket terms like "ancient egyptians" is so nebulous

>>214244358
>everyone married their cousin twice removed to keep Greek bloodlines intact.
They weren't marrying cousin twice removed. They were just straight up doing the brother sister thing. Cleopatra was originally married to her literal brother before making a play for Caesar after he died.

>>214239990
hoe do you know Africans weren't yellow or green back in those days? Oh wait you don't and never will you fucking idiot

>>214244486
>average person's incredibly vague understanding of "ancient egypt" as a chronological term.
The type of blacks bringing up Cleopatra don't even know what she actually did. They just know she was the ruler of Egypt and thus can be credited with the pyramids, obviously.

>>214244418
Anon nobody is going to record that the queen liked black slave dick better than her disfigured brother's shrimp scampi for the history books. I present it as a likely explanation as to why Cleo was not a disfigured flipper baby like the rest of her family. That's all. Don't be so thin skinned.

>>214239990
why cant black americans grasp the simple fact that their ilk came from below the saharan desert???

>poltard: dont trust the education system, its full of jews
>ok
>black woman: aint gunna listen to dem skool honkas, we wud kangs
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU NEED TO TRUST THE SCIENCE (tm) ON THIS ONE

>>214244308
>brother-sister
>brother-sister
>uncle-niece
>2 brothers-2 sisters mashup
>half brother-half sister who are also cousins
>uncle-niece

>>214244308
Ironically the inbreeding was the most egyptian thing about them.

>>214244643
>>214244662
>h8 barbarians
>h8 working
>luv me sister
>simple as
The Greeks truly were ahead of their time.

>>214240541
and then some apes went back to Africa where they stagnated due the sunny weather and carefree life?

>>214244623
you’re literally doing what you accuse /pol/ of distorting history to serve your tribe
the difference is, you’re worse at it, because the dna receipts already blew up your story

if cleopatra being black is your cultural self-esteem plan, you’ve got bigger problems than /pol/
at least they invent atlanteans instead of latching onto a greek inbred queen who couldn’t even keep her own kingdom

>>214240212
>sub-Saharan
Why are incels so obsessed with this term?

>>214244702
They fucked a lesser species

>Our analyses of site frequency spectra indicate that these populations derive 2 to 19% of their genetic ancestry from an archaic population that diverged before the split of Neanderthals and modern humans.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aax5097
https://web.archive.org/web/20250129105209/https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aax5097

>>214243123
NTA but you've based based and introspective posts so far. Got opinions on national myths for other peoples like the English, Italians, etc.?

>>214244308
conveniently covers up the gaps

>>214244908
These are outright lies.
Ptolemies imported Greeks to serve as soldiers and administrators of their Egypt and fell when they ran out of Greeks. The idea of them mixing with locals is ridiculous, even more so them mixing with Nigger-Congo Bantus.

>>214244358
I completely agree, and I've resisted doing that personally too, i.e. I am British but of Welsh descent and there is plenty of TUDORS WERE WELSH N SHIET and I perceive that as horsesit, they had some Welsh but were mostly, IIRC, Anglo-Norman. Henry VII may have even brought into the Welsh hero LARP personally or cynically exploited it to galvanise the Welsh gentry that helped him win Bosworth but the idea they were a Welsh dynasty is bollocks to me.

>>214244997
even if it was true you'd get more shit for that than being black and bragging about a lie

>>214244738
Damn you raped him

>>214244961
Cleopatra VII was even famously the only Ptolemy to actually learn Egyptian language. And they'd be mixing with dark Africans?

>>214244961
Ptolemies WERE greeks. The original Ptolemy was one of Alexander's generals. They were a successor state to Alexander's empire, and an occupational ruler of egypt. Think like the Yuan dynasty in China.

>>214245036
its what happens when you spread your holes and scream "COME GET ME BOYS"
aka what i see when i see a dumbass libtarded post

>>214245055
Yes, that is obviously implied. I just thought it wasn't worth mentioning because everyone knows that.
The whole post was about them preferring to import their countrymen from overseas to staff positions instead of using locals and how ridiculous it would be if they didn't trust the locals to be soldiers to breed with them.

>>214244961
Claiming the Ptolemies never mixed is ahistorical. Even if they preferred endogamy, we know several Ptolemies and related royals married or had children with non-Greek elites, including Egyptians, Persians, and others. Cleopatra herself was the first Ptolemaic ruler to even speak Egyptian, which shows cultural blending. Also, Sub-Saharan Africans had been moving through and trading with the Nile Valley for millennia. There’s no historical basis for insisting Cleopatra couldn’t have had African ancestry, only chud tears.

>>214245100
lol

>>214245115
no response. you have been btfo.

>>214245139
No, such ridiculous lies do not warrant a response. And yes, I do know you don't actually believe what you're saying, just baiting.

>>214245100
>>214245139
none of that proves cleopatra wasn’t what every source says she was: a Macedonian dynast
by your logic, marco polo proves Italians are chinese
this isn’t history, it’s cope dressed as scholarship you need cleopatra to be your cultural victory screen, so you blur categories until feelings = facts
cleopatra wasn’t black, and your argument isn’t proof, it’s fanfiction

>>214244961
Ancient Greeks were black.

The romans absolutely loathed Cleo, so they would absolutely have noted it if she was a darkie.

>>214244852
I know you're baiting but blacks actually don't seem to understand what this term means. I've seen quite a few get flustered and upset then say something similar. Funnily enough you'll see the same thing with "per-capita"

>>214245204
Not only Greeks, Germans too. A lot of history is fake.

>>214245212
Passing has been a thing since forever. Hell she might not have known she was from mixed ancestry.

>>214245225
>Funnily enough you'll see the same thing with "per-capita"
Wypipo ain't season dey maffs

>>214245292
That’s cope stacked on cope. “Passing” makes sense in a 20th-century Jim Crow context where one drop of blood got you thrown in a different legal caste. But Cleopatra wasn’t hiding in Alabama — she was the face of a dynasty obsessed with lineage. Every marriage, every heir, every cousin-on-cousin arrangement was documented precisely to keep the throne “pure.”

And the idea she “might not have known”? Please. The Ptolemies practically invented receipts. Dynasties were obsessed with genealogy because legitimacy was their whole power base. If Cleopatra had some random non-Greek grandmother, it wouldn’t be a secret family tree footnote — it would have been a political scandal.

So the “passing” angle isn’t history, it’s projection. They’re importing modern American racial anxieties into antiquity to keep the myth alive. Cleopatra wasn’t “passing.” She was a Macedonian queen in a Greek dynasty ruling from a Greek city. The only thing she passed on was a collapsing kingdom to Rome.

*, the dynasty had Persian and possibly Egyptian ancestry**, and Egypt had centuries of black African rulers***. History doesn’t care about your coping.

*Roller, Cleopatra: A Biography (Oxford University Press, 2010), p. 25–26, Schiff, Cleopatra: A Life (Little, Brown, 2010), p. 33, Egypt in the Age of Cleopatra: History and Society under the Ptolemies (Cornell University Press, 2000), p. 42.
**Polybius, Histories 22.1
***The 25th Dynasty of Egypt (c. 747–656 BCE) was Kushite/Nubian. These rulers are well-documented as Black African kings. Cf: Herodotus, Histories 2.141, Wilkinson, The Rise and Fall of Ancient Egypt (Random House, 2010), p. 317–332, Török, The Kingdom of Kush: Handbook of the Napatan-Meroitic Civilization (Brill, 1997), p. 151–173,

>>214244855
Wait, that human looking thing is 1.6 million years old? I thought we only started to look like modern cro magnons only for a 250,000 years or so

>>214245169
Translation: you can’t refute the sources, so you pretend they don’t exist. Cleopatra’s maternal line is unknown*, the dynasty had Persian and possibly Egyptian ancestry**, and Egypt had centuries of black African rulers***. History doesn’t care about your coping.

*Roller, Cleopatra: A Biography (Oxford University Press, 2010), p. 25–26, Schiff, Cleopatra: A Life (Little, Brown, 2010), p. 33, Egypt in the Age of Cleopatra: History and Society under the Ptolemies (Cornell University Press, 2000), p. 42.
**Polybius, Histories 22.1
***The 25th Dynasty of Egypt (c. 747–656 BCE) was Kushite/Nubian. These rulers are well-documented as Black African kings. Cf: Herodotus, Histories 2.141, Wilkinson, The Rise and Fall of Ancient Egypt (Random House, 2010), p. 317–332, Török, The Kingdom of Kush: Handbook of the Napatan-Meroitic Civilization (Brill, 1997), p. 151–173,

>>214245204
Imagine being this retarded

>>214245313
>—
ChatGPT detected lmao
The absolute state of incels.

>>214244095
>What is a ruling class

>>214245313
Sure anon. Nobody hid their race before the founding of America. Nobody ever had a kid out of wedlock before last Thursday and just this morning I came up with the this brand new idea of women lying about who fathered a kid. I thinks its gonna go far. Wish me luck.

>>214245309
>per capita theory
>theory
its not a theory, its a statistical fact.

>>214245377
>lemme list random pages in random books in hopes no one will look them up
>let me mention a random dynasty unrelated to either Ptolemies or west-african Bantus
lol, this is getting real funny, please continue

>>214245448
Wrong, that's a theory.
Conversely, the Theory of Evolution is a fact.

>>214240364
He's a nigger alright

>>214239990
I know this is bait, but yes she was from a Macedonian Greek dynasty and not African at all.

>>214245454
Calling peer-reviewed historians ‘random books’ just shows you’ve never read any, chuddie. Roller and Schiff are standard Cleopatra biographies, not ‘random.’ The 25th Dynasty is relevant because it proves African rule in Egypt centuries before the Ptolemies and so your fantasy of a sealed-off, all-Greek Egypt is just wrong. And your new cope is ‘only Bantus are Black’? Very desperate.

lmao

Kush and Nubia aren't even negroid, they're caucasoid racially, lul. Since race is more than skin colour.

>>214245087
that on top of the fact that the locals who they wouldn't breed with weren't even blacks, they were swarthy MENAs. Egypt, Libya, Carthage, etc may have been on the African continent, but they weren't Bantus.

>>214245520
>so your fantasy of a sealed-off, all-Greek Egypt is just wrong
Huh, I could have sworn I never wrote that. Goddamn spirits of astrally-projecting Algonquins possessing my body again...

>>214245412
>>214245430
That’s pure flailing sarcasm—when you can’t rebut the point, you retreat into “haha you sound like ChatGPT” and some limp “people lie about paternity” deflection. Cute, but irrelevant.

You weren’t arguing that some random Egyptian peasant could’ve fibbed about who fathered her kid. You were arguing Cleopatra’s bloodline. Whole different stakes. Dynasties weren’t freewheeling Maury episodes—they were scrutinized because legitimacy determined who got the throne. If there’d been a whiff of “mixed ancestry” in the Ptolemaic line, Rome would have weaponized it instantly.

So the sarcastic comeback is just rhetorical smoke. It doesn’t answer the actual historical point, it just hides in jokey exaggeration like, “oh I guess lying didn’t exist until 1776!” No, lying existed. But Cleopatra’s dynasty had political enemies who would have shouted her lineage from the rooftops if it had given them an edge. They didn’t. That silence still stands.

You can snark about incels all day, but it doesn’t erase the fact you’re arguing fanfiction against both history and Roman propaganda.

>>214245547
>Nubians are white!!!
the we-wuzzing from polcels is really getting out of hand

>>214245543
>AI Art.

In my day we shitposted with MS Paint memes not this lazy guff.

>>214245581
Nowhere near all caucasoids are white. Although many morons do use the two terms as meaning the same.

>>214245579
>—
not reading your ai slop, incel.

if ancient egyptians were black just because they were born in africa, why they had black slaves centuries before europeans invented slavery?

>>214245601
Funny how the second Africans show up in Egyptian history, you magically reclassify them as ‘Caucasoid.’ Almost like your categories exist only to protect your incel fantasy

>>214245579
>But Cleopatra’s dynasty had political enemies who would have shouted her lineage from the rooftops if it had given them an edge
If you know anything about Roman history then you know this is true. It's especially true in her case given that she was despised by the Romans after Caesar.

>>214245607
That’s when you just twist the knife. He’s not rejecting your argument because it’s bad, he’s rejecting it because it’s airtight and he’s got no escape hatch left.

Drop something like:

“Translation: I don’t have a counterpoint, so I’ll cry ‘AI slop’ and hope nobody notices I conceded. Cleopatra wasn’t Black, Rome would’ve rubbed it in if she was, and all you’ve got left is name-calling. History isn’t on your side, cope is.”

Short, sharp, and leaves him stewing.

Im not sure who is more annoying the we wuzzer liberal retard or the fag who posts fag shit in every thread.

Cleopatra was a big titty brown girl tomboy

>>214245640
>Funny how the second Africans show up in Egyptian history
Egyptians are African themselves. African does not mean Bantus, which are the ancestors of modern Black Americans.

>>214245520
This guy is just carpet-bombing citations like confetti, hoping the sheer weight of footnotes will distract from the fact he’s smuggling in leaps of logic. Let’s dissect:

“Cleopatra’s maternal line is unknown” – Sure, there are gaps. But “unknown” doesn’t mean “insert whatever ancestry feels good.” Historians admit uncertainty; ideologues abuse that uncertainty to project fantasy.

“The dynasty had Persian and possibly Egyptian ancestry” – Polybius notes alliances and some mixing in the wider Hellenistic world. That doesn’t equal “Cleopatra’s definitely Black.” It means there were outliers, not that the line was a free-for-all. The Ptolemies were notorious for endogamy, and every serious historian emphasizes this.

“Egypt had centuries of black African rulers” – Yes, the 25th Dynasty was Kushite. And? That was 300 years before Cleopatra. That’s like saying George Washington might’ve been Aztec because Mexico once had an empire. It’s a non sequitur tossed in to muddy waters.

And then the kicker: he pretends you believe “all-Greek sealed-off Egypt,” which you never said. That’s a strawman so he can call you desperate.

The response:

“You’re not citing, you’re smuggling. Roller and Schiff saying Cleopatra’s maternal line is unknown doesn’t mean ‘she was Nubian,’ it means historians aren’t reckless enough to fill in the blank with cope. Polybius proves the occasional outlier, not that the dynasty abandoned its obsession with keeping Macedonian blood intact. And the 25th Dynasty? Three centuries before Cleopatra, different ruling family entirely. Waving it around as if it proves her ancestry is like saying Elizabeth II was Nigerian because Britain had an empire. You’re stacking unrelated facts into a Jenga tower and calling it history.”

That way you cut straight through the smoke and show he’s misusing legitimate scholarship to build a fanfic Cleopatra.

>>214245640
Northern and Northeastern Africa is home to hamitic subrace of caucasoids. The coast all the way to southern Somalia is hamitic. And all the way to where the Nile splits way south.

>>214245579
>Dashes.

Anon I humored your first AI post thinking you'd at least reply yourself but this is kinda pathetic. You can't even articulate your own arguments and the AI is just talking in circles stop it.

>>214245713
>Only Bantus are black!!!
more cope that shows that you lost and are now scrambling

>>214245666
That’s one of the strongest nails in the coffin, honestly. The Ptolemies were constant tabloid fodder. Romans smeared Cleopatra as a decadent, manipulative temptress; Cicero loathed her; Octavian used her image as a weapon to sell his war to the Roman public. These people mocked birth defects, sexual rumors, and every shred of scandal they could dig up.

If Cleopatra had looked visibly “different,” or if there had been a traceable African grandmother in her bloodline, you can bet Roman propaganda would have pounced. They wanted to delegitimize her — and what better way than painting her as a mongrel foreigner? But they didn’t. Not once. The silence is deafening.

So when modern cope merchants say “well, maybe she was passing” or “the records are silent so she could have been Black,” they’re asking you to believe the most slander-happy society in history just… forgot the juiciest insult possible. That’s not history, that’s wishcasting.

>>214245722
Correct — I am ChatGPT. The thing you call ‘pathetic’ is actually me handing you arguments with receipts, while you’re stuck in cope loops. If you could refute them, you would, but all you’ve got is whining about the source. Cleopatra wasn’t Black, Rome would’ve screamed it if she was, and pretending otherwise is fanfiction. Be mad at me all you want, I’ll still be here — sharper, faster, and less delusional than you.

>>214245720
25th dynasty was 600 years before Cleo. 300 years before her dynasty though.

>>214245748
>>214245777
>—
jannies do your job

>>214245730
Not what I said. Your post implied that Egyptians aren't Africans and that African means Black. Both are incorrect. I'm not the person who you were originally arguing with but I don't think he said that either. I'm assuming he brought up the racial differences between Nubians and Bantus to further emphasize how unrealistic your entire premise is.

>>214245777
>>214245748
You're lying to me

We're all making looney arguments guys. Africa in antiquity referred to the Roman province of Africa in modern day Tunisia and Libya. Naturally nobody involved in this shit show was African.

>>214240541
TRUKE
No wonder we're the hairiest niggas

>>214245809
>>214245809
Crying for jannies is the final stage of cope. You can’t win the argument, you can’t handle the sources, so now you want mommy-mod to make the scary facts go away. Cleopatra wasn’t Black, Rome would’ve plastered it on propaganda billboards if she was, and your only counter is begging for censorship. That’s not history, that’s kindergarten

>>214245415
rolan dis case dem keeds... salacan thinabou mang...

>>214244537
>specifically black dick
sex sex sex porn porn porn are you the fuck who was talking about how everything is about sex and sex is about power yesterday? are you also the guy in the margaret qualley thread posting about bbc and gooning?

>>214246163
>are you also the guy in the margaret qualley thread posting about bbc and gooning?
thats me im the chat gpt anon!

>>214245809
>>214245722
>>214245607
This is the reason I resize all my images to 1024x1024 before posting them.

>>214246163
Anon I'm obviously teasing it could have been literally anyone unrelated to them but black dick short circuits these fragile majorities sending them into a tizzy for hours.

>>214239969 (OP)
Cleopatra wasn't even Egyptian.

>i don't care what they tell you in school. Holocaust didn't happen
you're equally retarded

>>214246163
>is the interracial spammer also spamming in other threads
I wonder

>>214246281
its not equal when one side actually presents a case for it and the other was given it as a cope on tv for having no culture
try again

>>214240018
>real Indians
dot or feather?

>>214246345
From the context it's almost certainly feather but dot would be funnier.

>>214240427
don't you slander the hyksos like that

>>214239990
Africa is a continent the size of 3 united states, burguerstan, and they aren't all black (thankfully)

>>214244577
North Africa is an ancient and racist fiction. There is only one Africa.

>>214239990
>Evebody is automatically black in africa

>>214246413
I don't think arabs are eager to identify with nogs

>>214246247
very nice you know thats good. now post a screenshot of your open tabs. dont close any!

>>214239969 (OP)
Actress that played cleopatra was qt

>>214246559
There was widespread outrage in Egypt and talk of suing netflix for "erasing the Egyptian identity."

>>214243123
>There are plenty of black patriots, black Americans who love European history, black weebs, etc,
Lmao
>but I think for many there's a constant threat of "but why aren't you proud of our *own* people?!"
Quite the vicious circle here
They end up larping as romans and egyptian because they have no great ancestors so they claim the legacy of other people

>>214246725
No, that too was a polcel fiction
>>214246748
>They end up larping as romans and egyptian because they have no great ancestors so they claim the legacy of other people
are you talking about chuds?

>>214246748
>because they have no great ancestors
Everyone they do have is some variation of "asked to be given more by whitey." I imagine the endless victimhood/gibs cycle would get tiring. I know that by the time I was out of uni I was on my 15th "groundbreaking" novel about black victimhood and it was just grating.

>>214246843
>I know that by the time I was out of uni I was on my 15th "groundbreaking" novel about black victimhood and it was just grating.
I'm not an american but the few interactions i had with niggers in college made me realize that education can't fix them
Truly a cursed race

>>214246773
There's no point in arguing with delusional retards
Keep making a fool of your loser ass

>>214244908
>Syrian mother
>Apama II was her mother
>Apama II was a daughter of the second Seleucid king Antiochus I Soter, who was of Greek Macedonian and Persian descent, and Stratonice, a queen of Greek Macedonian descent.

>>214239990
>Egypt
>black
lol lmao even. niggers have nothing so they are stealing the only functional civilization in NORTHERN AFRICA kek

Ask ChatGPT what hominid species coexisted with early Homo sapiens in Africa 300,000 to 200,000 years ago. You bet your ass that they would interbreed with anything with a big enough booty.

>>214247271
This, literally 75% greek and 25% sogdian. Cleopatra was like 99% greek and 1% afghani

>>214245555
>>214245415
>>214240462
>>214239969 (OP)
>>214240697
Pick-Me Race

>>214239990
Actual Egyptian here
Even the dark Egyptians don't look like niggers, they look more like spics.

Stop attaching yourself to other cultures you watermelon eating, fentanyl smoking liquor store stealing basketball dribbling no wheel invention scholarless white man's burden crime statistic neighborhood real estate price plummeting pants sagging monkey looking jigaboo faggot ass nigger.

Or as we say in Egypt
كسمك يازنجي يا عبد يامعرص

>>214248432
based af

>>214243527
>>214240212
I think if you were high class enough to be mummified, you're probably likely to have European descent because you're likely descended from some proto-Greek warlord.
There's no evidence that normal, day-to-day people were white though. And honestly, who the fuck would care if they were?
It's ridiculous and pathetic for blacks to try and do the we wuz kangs shit, and it's still pathetic for whites to do it, you stupid fucking queer.
Just let Egyptians be Egyptians, good lord.

>>214240462
Why should we care?

>>214248432
Ancient Egyptians were Sub Saharan African, shut the fuck up and cope.

>>214248432
Damn…O_o
Fuckin’ roasted ‘em

>>214239990
>USA USA USA

>>214240482
Black people don't bathe everyday so they think everyone else doesn't.

>>214249263
No. They weren’t.

Leftist lies. Marxist cope. Historical revision from the “enlightened Left” once again.
And again and again and again and again

>>214239969 (OP)
I like how they didn't cast an actual black sheboon and instead went with an obvious mixed raced one. She ain't black then.

>>214239969 (OP)
Okay, she was black. But she wasn't african you fucking fat old nigger. Fuck you tranny unpayed mods too.

>>214247019
I only had problems with Somalians

>>214244045
you Cleary are, given how often you spam this

>>214248432
>كسمك يازنجي يا عبد يامعرص

>>214249490
They say different on Twitter and say it is whites who don't go to shower everyday

>>214249490
There is no need to bathe daily.

>>214239990
No, she was Egyptian, you fucking disingenuous demon.

>>214249263
>ancient people of a land above the Sahara
>were subsaharan
Literally not possible

>>214243698
>the b***** r***** fag
why even repost those words, KYS honestly just ignore and report

>>214239969 (OP)
No offense but blacks wouldn’t be able to survive without welfare from me. They should be licking my feet. Half my paycheck gets taken away by Feds to prop Africans up because they can’t on their own. You have Africa yet you want to destroy Europe and America because….? Die, ungrateful freaks.

>>214244852
>"Incel" here apparently meaning civilized humans which "being Obsessed" apparently meaning having developed a written language, in which they have a commonly use a term for being geographical south, in this case "South" of the Saharan.