Thread 214265359

>Turn on MTV in 1996
>WHERE DO I TAKE THIS PAIN OF MINE

>>214265359 (OP)
Turn on mtv any time post 2008
>Im a teen mom that means im a hero and you cant judge me

>>214265359 (OP)
I don't care what the trve metal spergs say, Load and Reload are good albums.

>>214266353
>country album
>orchestra album
>nu metal album

Metallica had some weird gimmicks

>>214266402
Dave Mustaine would NEVER

>>214266353
Load was fine but Reload is their second worst album after 72 Seasons.

>>214265359 (OP)
>>Turn on MTV in 1996
>Metallica
>the kings of thrash
>they abandoned thrash to focus on being just straight metal with a touch of grunge/alternative
>cut their hair short
>nail polish and makeup

>>214265359 (OP)
Admit you got filtered

>>214266425
yeah, he just thought going full mainstream with Risk was a good idea and made something that had no redeemable qualities

>>214266483

7/10 album, not perfect but it’s the only interesting thing they’ve released since Death Magnetic.

Cheat on Me, Frustration, and Dragon are great songs.

>>214266402
Metallica is (Was) a really good band precisely because of the range.
The had good songs that pulled from every genre and ethos imaginable. They were just flatly good at music.
Compare that to other, shittier bands. A friend of mine used to be really into Megadeth, when I was a kid. Every single fucking song sounds the same. They had one hit, and then they started to just produce variants ad nauseum forever.
You can read the personality of a band based on what they have the courage to make and experiment with. Whether you like Metallica or not, they proved themselves and they had the balls to get out of their comfort zone. The vast, VAST majority of bands can't do that. They don't have the courage OR the skill.

>>214266627
Their (Re)Load look was the best of their entire run.

>>214266627
Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, and And Justice For All are brutal yet gentle, kind yet cruel, vicious yet elegant, and chaotic yet tight and controlled. There was no regard for pandering to the mainstream radio and MTV crowd, so songs were as long as they felt the songs had to be to tell the story. That allowed them to simply be themselves.

Then they decided that they wanted the money of normies, so songs are shorter for MTV play, and overall everything's softer so normies can more easily digest it.

>>214266753
>79m CDs
>shorter for mtv play

>>214266425
Dave is fucking cringe holy hell his songs are unlistenable

>>214266753
>the one guy in the band who knew music theory dies
>band turns into radio pop rock shit afterwards
Curious!

>>214266753
Things changed eventually. I never really liked Metallica the same after Saint Anger. Saint Anger kind of sucked, but there were some decent songs. And then they never made anything worthwhile ever again.
I think they got mind-broken by commercialism when they got all cunty about the Napster situation. That was probably the exact moment they went from good to shit. Because that happened in 2000, between Reload and Saint Anger. Then Saint Anger was garbage, and then they never made anything good again.
Shit was over. It's obvious that corporate bullshit lobotomized them.

>>214266353
>horrbile (not) DOUBLE ALBUM
any other band would die after this

I am tired of people saying "Kill 'em All" was their best album. It's not even a Metallica album. It's a "monkey see monkey do" album. A band of always-drunk young people heard Venom, Motorhead, Diamond Head, and others, like it, and copied it. There's absolutely nothing on that album that's "Metallica." We don't get that until "Ride the Lightning."

>>214265359 (OP)
>DID MY FAVORITE METAL BAND CUT THEIR HAIR? AAAAAAAAAAH I'M GOING INSANE!!!!!!!!
Did boomers really?

>>214266897
Nobody says Kill Em All is their best.

Nearly everyone says either RTL, MOP, or AJFA.

>>214266425
>allegedly wrote the best Metallica songs
>can't create anything remotely good afterwards

Lars and James broke him

>>214266933
I've actually heard a lot of people say that the first one was the best.

>>214266980
Because
>hurr durr they sold out afterwards

>>214266998
They sold out at the very beginning. They didn't play the shitholes like CBGB. They played the hair-rock clubs like Rainbow Bar and Grill. They didn't want to tour with other thrash bands. They toured with Van Halen, Motley Crue, Def Leppard, Dokken, Guns N Roses, Queensryche, etc., and if other thrash bands were also on the bill it was not by Metallica's doing in any way. From the very beginning they didn't want the thrash crowd, and wanted the hair-rocker crowd.

>>214266933
Justicefags only say it becuase One was their breakout MTV hit. J is the beginning of their MTV normie era.

>>214267125
There's a real love/hate relationship with that album. Yeah there's a lot fog reat songs on it, but the audio quality really is absolute shit. Well really all of them had bad audio quality up until the black album, but that one was so much worse.

>>214266686
>or are you unforgiven 2?
Bravo, James.

>>214267125
Even without One it’s still in their top 3.

Blackened is the best opener on any album, Title track is great, Harvester of Sorrow is great on the album and was one of their best live songs at the band’s peak, To Live is to Die is great, Dyer’s Eve is way better than Damage Inc.

>>214267236
That whole album would probably be considered their best if it had the audio quality of the black album.

I LOVE MYSELF TODAY
NOT LIKE YESTERDAY

>>214266483
Took about 5 years for it to click for me.

>>214266483
FOR WORSHIP SOMEONE
WHO ACTIVELY DESPISES YOU

>>214265359 (OP)
>Turn on MTV in 1996
>MAY I LIGHT YOUR CIGARETTE

>>214267108
>They sold out at the very beginning.
That's not really selling out then, is it? It's jut their brand of music.

this emo rock shit was worse than ghetto rap for white people

>>214266353
If they took the best 5/6 songs from each album and made that the whole album, it's be one of the best metal / hard rock albums ever

>>214267570
Reload just sucks. Load is fine.

>>214266425
I enjoy Megadeth but remember that one of the recent albums had a song with "guest vocals" by a rapping negro.

>>214265359 (OP)
Poofter band. They sued some little girl for pirating their "music", tried to make a bad example of her.
Kill them all, they're cowards. As well as anyone that buys their "music".

>>214267230
>>214267236
You're right re. Justice, but it was the 3rd of a string of like albums. All of the Rasmussen albums have the same layout:
fast opening track,
overlong, epic title track,
filler,
some instrumental,
b-tier fast song to start side 2,
then the cliche power ballad,
more filler,
kinda fast-ish side 2 closer.

By the 3rd iteration of this, it was getting tiresome. But agree re. the audio mix quality.

>>214267856
Just can't look at them the same after SKoM. Just embarrassing.

>>214267481
"Metallica went to shit when they cut their hair."
-Peter Steele, paraphrased

sheee's a brick and im drowning slowly

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt5EHAqhR1c

>>214265359 (OP)
>SO HWOWLD MEYAH
>Unteel it sleeee...

>>214266485
>no redeemable qualities

Sounds like you haven't been to a HOCKEY ARENA in the past 30 years anon

>>214266978
Same goes for Jason. I remember the narrative being for awhile that Jason's creativity was being strangled and he had the best metal riffs hidden away. Years later he's still yet to make something good after leat Metallica.

>>214266353
They're only okay, which is the entire problem. After "the black album," it's as if they collectively decided "okay, let's just murder everything we're known for and lean heavily into radio hits, WE MADE IT BOYS." It wasn't about how they cut their fucking hair. They literally lost every shred of energy that made Metallica, "~Metallica~."

And they know it, because they've been trying desperately to find it again ever since.

>>214268905
The absolute basics to understand about the music business: Songwriting contribution = songwriting credit = song ownership = $$$ royalties.

This is what killed Pink Floyd when Roger Waters was getting a bigger paycheck than everyone else. Sharon Osbourne infamously stole Jake E Lee's writing credit to keep his ownership in the songs to a minimum, and she probably did it with Randy and Zack too.

James and Lars keep everyone else's contributions to a minimum because of it. James even writes most of Kirk's leads. I remember years ago reading an interview where James said he went to Jason's apartment who in turn showed James some riffs that would become the rhythm section of the title track for AJFA. But Jason has no credit on that song. Jason's prog style is all over AJFA which is why the song-note structures are notiably more prog than the previous albums, but he barely has any songwriting credits on that abum; mainly B-sides. Then I saw an interview where James dismisses Jason as a root-tower, and had to ahve Bob Rock explain to Jason how to play a bass besides towing James's root notes. Honestly that's a big "fuck you" to Jason after they already did to take a shit on him for over a decade.

And when Jason does side projects where he can actually get credit for his work, Lars goes off with "HE LEFT THE BAND AFTER WE TOLD HIM THAT HE WASN'T WELCOME BACK! WE DIDN'T FIRE HIM AND JUST TOLD HIM THAT HE'S NOT WELCOME AROUND US FOR CHEATING ON US WITH A SIDE PROJECT, SO IT'S HIS FAULT HE'S OUT!

>>214268145
Everything did go to shit when he died (he died)
There is another universe out there where Pete is still alive, and the last 15 years of overwrought homo bullshit never happened, all because his energy was still in the world.

>>214269458
I saw them live, was thoroughly unimpressed. Granted, I'd never heard their music before and was only aware of their--what's the word--aura?, saw they were in town that night & had nothing to do so I went. I thought they were some gothic-like band so I expected gothic-y, almost doom metal music, but it was surprisingly fast & sounded like ass, mixing wise.

>>214269458
Peter Steele and Ronnie James Dio both dying only one month apart from each other caused cosmic damage and merged us into the worst timeline, and we haven't been able to correct the course.

>>214269534
They were one of those bands who so heavily over-produced their albums that there was nothing they could do to sound just as good live.

>>214267125
Justice was their least palatable and mainstream friendly album up to that point

>>214269458
>and the last 15 years of overwrought homo bullshit never happened

Steele literally got nude for a gay magazine lmao

>>214265359 (OP)
KIRK IS GAY

>>214269820
He's not gay at all. He's just not very high in testosterone.

>music thread outside of /mu/
>high-quality posts and actual discussion about the topic
why is that?

>>214270025
Because /mu/ is full of rap, death metal, and fags who think they're cool because they bought a shitty Fender.

>>214269381
>It wasn't about how they cut their fucking hair.
It was, though. Not that the hair was ever a strict metal requirement (e.g. Kerry King, later Phil Anselmo, the Anthrax jew). But when the entire band cut their hair at the same time as a major stylistic shift in an era of MTV owned by Alternative music, it was a pretty obvious and blatant symbolic statement about cutting ties with the past. Seeing that first "Load" video was demoralizing to the schoolyard metalheads who were still pining after Cliff Burton ffs.

>>214270209
If you were still pining after Burton 8 years later, serves you right. lmao, imagine him with short hair.

>>214266897
Kill'em All was the birth of thrash metal, they didn't copy anyone as their sound was unique, but they were definitely inspired by early new wave british heavy metal. The quality was rough, their sound was fast and yet still simple and that's why it's my favorite, it hits all the marks that I like. It's also why I prefer Peace Sells over the clean and over produced Rust in Peace. It's all preferences at the end of the day.
>>214267108
That isn't true and you know that. They left LA for San Francisco as LA was a hotbed for hair metal fans. They even joked that glam in glam rock stood for "gay LA metal".

>>214269534
>sounded like ass, mixing wise.
I've never played music in a real club, so I'd be very curious to know how the conversation works between the band and the resident sound guy. But I am always inclined the blame the sound guy, who knows the venue and its acoustics and the sound system. I have been to concerts at nationally top-rated venues where you could barely even tell which song the band was playing because the general rule seems to be:
>if it's rock music, turn it up until people's ears bleed
The same venues were much better for jazz/blues inspired bands. But if it's heavy rock (including metal), the attitude seems to be that the audience isn't getting its money's worth unless their senses are being assault to the point that you get a headache and can't hear properly for hours after. Inb4 wear earpro, that's cope, there is no reason why a concert goer should have to do that, UNLESS perhaps you're up front in a true arena/stadium environment. It's insulting to take these great songs and reduce them to pure static noise.

>Dust off the old TV
>Plug it in
>Look for MTV
>Ridiculousness

>>214270454
Yet the fact remains is those are the people they toured with

>>214266402
ive always really respected their drive to try some really wild stuff and not particularly settle down
even if i only liked at best 1/3rd of it

>>214265720
they actually are. there kids will grow up without autism and have parents that are young and can keep up with them and their grandparents will also be young. I had teenage parents and I had all of my grandparents until I was 37. I even met my great-great grandmother. shaming people for having kids is young is one of the reasons white people are going extinct

>>214270728
duh ive known this since i was 15 but i dont have social power so my words mean nothing as people dont care about truth only what they can personally GET

>>214270678
That Donnigton Park event looks like the absolute best thing.

>>214270454
You can listen to Diamond Head, Venom and early Iron Maiden and call Kill 'em All unique, or any of the early Thrash bands. Early Slayer is literally Venom but they can actually play and don't ruint he vibe with songs about wanting to fuck your teacher

>>214265720
The blessing in disguise with teen pregnancy is that usually they (are forced to) have great support systems. Seldom do you see teen pregnancies where the kids don't know their grandparents and all their aunts and uncles.

>>214270678
Those are both festivals in England retard

>>214265359 (OP)
>ywn see clips of Lars rolling around in mud in samples of Until It Sleeps playing on the ceiling-height demo screen at Media Play in 1996
why live?

>>214270768
*can't

>>214269820
>Lars and Kirk were very into abstract art, pretending they were gay. I think they knew it bugged me. It was a statement around all that. I love art, but not for the sake of shocking others. I think the cover of Load was just a piss-take around all that. I just went along with the make-up and all of this crazy, stupid shit that they felt they needed to do.

>>214266425
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn6byAwy9RE&list=RDFn6byAwy9RE&start_radio=1

oh but he did, haircuts included

>>214270571
new science fiction film:
anon has a tv that can tune in to any channel at any time in the past. the anon buys a load of hoarded tv guides and spends his days going through them to find out when a lost episode was shown, then tunes his dial back to that time, and is able to watch it.
note that this idea will really be made into a film just like those bile duct level creepy pasta films that all came out in the last 5 years.

>>214266450
Do you actually like better St Anger? I agree with 72 Seasons though, I only enjoy the second half of Inamorata and that's pretty much it.

>>214270793
Well no, because although grandparents have their shit together they also lack the wherewithal to keep proper discipline, so it's actually a pretty perfect recipe for a career criminal.

>>214266814
>Hardwired in second to last

If only Kirk didn't lose his phone

>>214270793
no, the blessing in disguise of teen pregnancies is pregnant teens.
the blessing not in disguise is when they buy a load of shoes for cheap because they found they can just order the same sizes each time instead of guessing.
checkmate herbalists

>>214270793
Nuclear families got too nuclear?

>>214270794
Monsters of Rock also toured the US. They played Castle Donnington every year, but were far from limited to it.

>>214265359 (OP)
>get home from school in 1996
>turn MTV on immediately on as per usual

>>214270977
Nuclear families know their grandparents, have support systems, and often are able to pay their bills on a single incom

>>214270957
you'd think he'd have someone looking out for him.
don't ipbones back everything up onto apple servers so that other people can leak all their photos. or is that really only for photos

>>214270957
>250 riffs
>can't remember any of them
And that's how memorable riffs by Hammett are.

>>214267570
I completely agree with this take. What would be your ideal Load/Re-Load tracklist? Here's mine:

Ain't My Bitch
Until It Sleeps
King Nothing
Hero of the Day
Bleeding Me
Wasting My Hate
Thorn Within
The Outlaw Torn
Fuel
The Memory Remains
Devil's Dance
The Unforgiven II

>>214270999
met two thrid worlders recently that both independently said "per se" on more than one occasion, and mostly out of context, per se.
is it a current fad per se, or did they really think it made them sound less stupid per se?

>>214270854
This image rapes Thrash hard. It's one of the most un-metal images ever. The only thing worse than it is Ozzy's yuppie look in the Motorhead video.

>>214270854
So they finally caved to glam metal after all KEK

>>214270957
>>214271035
Maybe he could ask to borrow Mustaine's phone for a minute.

>>214271051
>no the House That Jack Built

>>214271035
That happens. When you've written so much shit as they have, you're gonna forget stuff. I remember reading stories of Anthrax and Rush re-learning old songs they hadn't played in a long time.

>>214270854
>>214271061
>Pubic Hair Metal

>>214271051
>The House Jack Built
>Until It Sleeps
>King Nothing
>Hero of the Day
>Bleeding Me
>Ronnie
>The Outlaw Torn
>Fuel
>The Memory Remains
>Carpe Diem Baby
>Low Man's Lyric
>Fixxxer

>>214266353
There were good songs on them. They were just way too long and inconsistent. Take the best songs from both and you have one really good album.

>>214271035
the man wrote enter sandman you moronic subhuman

>>214271051
>Ain't my Bitch
>Wasting My Hate
>Thorn Within
>Devil's Dance
There went that take, completely out the window.

>>214271061
Ozzy didn't look like the Ozzy everyone thinks of til he was long aged out of the scene.

Wes Borland channeling James Hetfield for this summer's tour with Metallica was actually pretty cool.

>>214271135
True. Cut the shit out of both albums, and you have a decent album in a non-thrash metal sense.

>>214271021
2012 so probably before "cloud" became the new big tech buzzword

>>214271193
True. Remember how sparkly he was in the "Shot in the Dark" video. He really didn't dress as people know him as until his MTV tv show.

>>214271135
>>214271200
It's pretty much the same as the Use Your Illusion albums. Could have been one really good album. Did nobody stop and tell them half the songs were shit?

>Metallica would be nothing without me
>proceeds to write the gayest fucking music you've ever heard for 50 years
Metallica's only truly great album was Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets was good but overrated due to being far more pallatable.
Slayer is a better band.

>>214271266
yeah it wasn't until 91, he went back to his natural hair color and started wearing the circular glasses

>>214271266
but that song bangs, his wardrobe gets a pass

>>214271304
when bands get to that size they no longer can be told "no" by their minders so they'll do any dumb shit they can to try to match up to their idea of what their scale is as artists.

>>214271266
I bet normies wouldn't even know this was him.

>>214271353
This. By the time of Load and ReLoad, they were in that 3rd quarter of the biopic where they're high on drugs all the time and when someone says "you should cut that it sucks" they scream at you with "I AM METALLICA, YOURE FUCKING FIRED!!!!"

>>214271308
Never understood why Dave was so bitter about being kicked out of a band that were nobodies at the time. Especially since he went on to form his own very successful band.

>>214271355
everything was gay and sparkly in the 80s and he was regularly touring with glam bands and he was high

>>214271353
GNR sold twice as many albums as they would have otherwise by using that trick.

>>214271308
>Slayer is a better band.
OK that has to be a troll post.

>>214271355
I like THIS ozzy

>>214271414
okay? justin beiber sold a ton of records and all he ever made was crap. what point do you think you're making

>>214271414
>troll post
No, they have a lot of shitty albums, but they have enough truly great albums and when they return to form they know exactly what they're doing. I'll grant they gave some stinkers that rely way too much on bass, but Metallica never once went back to their true thrash form, and watching them perform RtL tracks live in recent years is fucking sad, it's like a blind guy playing guitar hero

This is what Metallica looked like when I first heard about them, but when I saw this picture again a couple of years ago, I didn't even recognize them from the thumbnail and thought it was some new emo band.

>>214271415
it's weird as someone who grew up with the Osbournes version of him and on his early Black Sabbath stuff before he started dying his hair, blonde 80s Ozzy feels like a totally different person to me

>>214271414
At the very least Slayer were the most consistently good of the big four

>>214271441
The point is they made twice the money off of one full album's worth of good content.

>>214271456
it's so funny how obviously uncomfortable James and Jason are with all the weird metro shit that Kirk and Lars are doing and are desperately trying to hang on to some kind of masculinity while appeasing the queens

>>214271475
okay? no one was talking about money. why is that always the midwit cope.

retard

>>214271456
>This is what Metallica looked like when I first heard about them, but when I saw this picture again a couple of years ago, I didn't even recognize them
very poetic anon

>>214266483
This shit is so bad I am almost 100% certain it will be hailed as a masterpiece in 20 years

Its so bad. And the worst part is that its BORING

>>214271456
Oh wow. In the 80s it was acceptable for glam bands to pose with each in makeup like fags because everyone knew they were slaying backstage. Whereas Kirk Hammett just looks like he practices his finger dexterity by knitting AIDS quilts.

>>214271456
>>214271489
Dude what the fuck. How does this come to pass?

>>214271515
How am I a retard for pointing out the obvious reason for releasing a double-album?

>>214271489
Two obviously wanted to be glam-fashionable in a mid-90s sense. And it's cringe as hell.

S tier - Justice, Puppets, Lightning
B tier - Garage, Kill
Shit tier - everything else

>>214271408
Megadeth was successful but Metallica went on to become the most profitable and well-known metal band of all time, that's why

>>214271559
I miss the glam aesthetic in some ways as it immediately tells the audience "Welcome to the show where our characters will perform" it immediately signals that you're getting an energetic performance, I have to give slight kudos to slipknot and GWAR for someone preserving that

>>214271588
Purists will never admit it, but Death Magnetic was good.

>>214271564
James and Lars are just yin and yang which is where a lot of the band's success comes from, the push and pull between their very large personalities. but at this point James was dealing with alcoholism and kind of checked out in a way so Lars basically took over the band and James was too tired to argue. and Lars is a very pretentious person who cares a great deal about what other people think of him, he was tired of Metallica being seen as this big dumb loud beer chugging band and wanted to be taken seriously as an artist, which to him meant dressing like a fag and wearing mascara and pretending like he "got" art. he's really the picture perfect example of a midwit who doesn't know he's a midwit and thinks he's smart, while James is the opposite.

>>214266627
I used to really like the first 4 or 5 megadeth albums, there was not much repetition in a lot of their songs

>>214271559
>Whereas Kirk Hammett just looks like he practices his finger dexterity by knitting AIDS quilts.
he and Lars legitimately look like they're trying to work out their closeted bisexuality in a socially acceptable way and have no other outlet for it except for Metallica.

>>214271647
So James is a smart person who doesn't know he's smart and thinks he's a midwit?

>>214271408
>be Dave
>drunk and stoned the morning of recording the first album
>sorry Dave, we're going with kirk now
>ok, then please don't use my tracks
>they use them anyway
At least he got credited and subsequently paid

>>214271647
Was Lars ever necessary? Wasn't James a better drummer? Is he wearing a merkin in that pube shot?
I think maybe short scrawny little unmasculine guys like him and kirk are the ones who go for that metro fashion shit since they know they can't compete on more traditional masculinity while james and jason were chads

>>214271697
no he's an average guy who understands and accepts he's average while Lars refuses to accept that and is desperate to be seen as like a Frank Zappa or a David Lynch kind of guy.

>>214271588
So Black and Load are A tier, gotcha and I concur

for me, it's there she goes, kiss me, simple together, lovefool and supersonic

>>214271743
>his tracks

He only wrote the riffs, that's why Four Horsemen > Mechanix

>>214271753
i think he's necessary to the sauce that makes Metallica click. it's that push/pull between him being a pretentious retard and James being a much more average guy that makes it work.

can't really speak to Kirk or why he went all in on this stuff, i guess because Lars was agreeing with him a lot when he went in on this stuff so he felt like it was finally a way for him to have more input on an album with James checked out and Jason still resigned to the bassist who gets all of his bass parts tuned out of the final mixes of every albums.

I never had a problem with Lars' drumming. Metallica isn't the kind of band that needs super technical drumming. He's perfectly fine for the kind of music they make.

>>214271626
>I miss the glam aesthetic in some ways
I was never into it as a kid, but I must admit that I am actually enjoying Peacemaker because it's exposed me to some new (to me) bands of that type.

Since we're talking how bands and "style changes", how many of today's kids rocking out to 90s Pantera knew that they were a full-on homo band in the 80s? That Dimebag was originally known as "Diamond Darrel"?

Maybe we'd be more sympathetic to Metallica and Pantera, if we ourselves had the same experience, of being approached by a jewish record label executive who explains that you need to reinvent yourself to be more profitable. (I mean heck, Spinal Tap was originally a skiffle band, right?)

>>214271753
No, it's because couture, fashionable clothes are only made for short people.

>>214265359 (OP)
I was too busy having sex in 1996 to turn on MTV.

>>214271920
i don't think an executive convinced Metallica of anything though, it was just Lars being a pretentious retard.

>>214271626
I appreciate it more than I appreciate a stage full of dancers doing pointless busy-work so the "solo artist" doesn't have to be up there by himself/herself, but it has its limits. There is such a thing as being too gimmicky, which I think both Gwar and Slipknot are guilty of.

>>214271753
>>214271794
Yeah he's necessary. He may not be the best drummer, but he's at the very heart of writing all of Metallica's songs.

>>214271793
Nice bait. Here's your (You.)

>>214271965
>Lars being a pretentious retard
Yes, we know he's European.

>>214271920
Pantera are actually bigger fags for denying this part of their career ever existed.

>>214270906
>they also lack the wherewithal

that's not the case when your grandparents are in their 30s and 40s because you have young parents

>>214269393
there’s a cool little interview where Jason talks about showing James the Blackened riff. havent heard the interview where James shits on his playing, but I dont doubt it. James also mentions in the somewhat recent interview where they talk about his departure that Jason would follow his playing all the time even though he didnt have to, which is bullshit cause he wasnt really allowed to choose what he was playing. James says as much in the Behind the music docu. anyway, its a shame James and Jason couldnt get a real partnership going cause they were going hard af live.
https://youtu.be/e_csOo_FFxg?feature=shared

>>214272011
no he's white trash with European heritage that wishes he was seen as European, maybe that's the core of his insecurity and pretention

>>214271920
There was an interview on Blabbermouth a month or so ago where Rex (bassist) completely disowned the band's entire past, and argued that Pantera didn't start until Cowboys From Hell. It was a slapback at the singer who came before Phil reminiscing about the old days, which Rex didn't like. Rex's easily-hurt pride was on full display there.

>>214272013
all they ever do is deny their past, like Phil cucking and apologizing for using the confederate flag in all their old promotional stuff and pretending like it wasn't core to their identity at all (Darrel literally had confederate flag guitars and their whole thing was dirty southern boy groove metal)

>>214271909
Based. Too many metal fans think more drmming equals better drumming. Black Sabbath and Metallica both have "bad" drummers (by metal standards) yet are the biggest and best metal bands of all time.

>>214272184
a real bad drummer makes everything sound the same like Dio's shitty drummer, Bill Ward left Black Sabbath after Heaven and Hell so Dio's drummer took over for Mob Rules and every fucking song sounds exactly the same, like all of Dio's solo stuff, every song sounds like some Holy Diver knockoff

>>214272048
>its a shame James and Jason couldnt get a real partnership going cause they were going hard af live.
Way back in 2000 I was at the Summer Sanitarium tour, the Columbus, OH venue, and James couldn't be there because he injuried himself that morning, on a jet ski or something, so Jason took over as vocalist and overall leading their set (I think a guy from System of a Down played guitar), and I loved how hard he sang their songs and interacted with the crowd.

>>214272048
James never shat on Jason's playing (other than implicitly with the AJFA mix) he shat on his songwriting contributions, which he felt were pretty slight especially later on

>>214272278
He was saving it up for Echobrain.

>>214272067
He's not insecure. He's the drummer and one of two majority-owners of the largest metal band in history. He built a wealth that his great-grandchildren will enjoy. He's the opposite of insecure, and is arrogant.

>>214272094
Like Scott Ian getting evasive about his SOD past. People need to own up to both the good and bad partys of their past because it makes them look like moral cowards when they don't. Dave Msutaine did with freely admitting that he was a mean drunk.

And also Nu-Pantera isn't Pantera until they produce a new album that holds up to what the Abbott brothers did. They're just a tribute band in the mean time.

>>214272366
>He's not insecure.
lol

>>214272366
insecurity and arrogance or not in any way mutually exclusive

>>214272512
that's probably a good part of it too, he gets upset he's not taken seriously as an artist like he arrogantly assumes he should be, so he is so he doubles down on the pretention. if i put on enough eyeliner everyone will see what a deep, profound artist i am!

>>214272230
I wish someone would have pro-shot that.

>>214271951
being raped doesn't count anon

>>214272484
I see the face of a smug prick.

>>214272541
You're speaking in the present tense. All of that was over 25 years ago.

>>214272648
look at the OP post of the thread you're posting in you fucking moron

>>214272230
>Jason took over as vocalist and overall leading their set
That's astounding to me. I'm not an expert on Metalli-drama by any means, but that's the kind of thing I would have expected James to have contractually prohibited.

>>214271408
they blew up off of his work.

>>214266814
Death Magnetic mogs the fuck out of anything made after AJFA

>>214272645
>I see the face of a smug prick
You're completely wrong. A smug prick is what Lars had in his mouth before applying his eyeshadow.

>>214272773
Or the smugness of a guy who knows he can do ANYTHING and even treat fans like shit, and still be the alpha metal band with zero chance of becoming has-beens.

now that the dust has settled, was he really Unforgiven two?

>>214272614
They can't prove that's what happened, statute of limitations.

>>214272761
The Black album is still their album with the best audio quality. It's a shame that they apparently decided to never record at that level of quality again, and feel no need to remaster their other albums to be at that level.

>>214272484
Can't wait for season 5.

>>214273011
It's not as corny as the lyrics to Unforgiven 3 with "we're both Unforgiven three."

>>214270025
/mu/ is one of the worst boards

>>214266814
>Lulu that high
>St. Anger that high
>Hardwired below both

This actually made me mad. Good job.

>>214270025
/mu/ is for people who made "liking music" their personality so they're more concerned with like optics and shit than actually discussing music they like, it's like how threads about television and film are better on other boards than this one. same with /v/ and vidya, cooking and /ck/.

>>214270025
Board specific threads are always better outside their respective boards. A /tv/ thread would be better in /v/ and a /v/ thread would be better in /mu/.

>>214273101
However, they did invent Massaposting. What do you think, /tv/, should we introduce Massaposting here too?

>>214273137
That really shitty "30 Seconds To Mars" video filled with fags talking about how music is their life and they'd be dead without it? That's /mu/ in a nutshell. They let what they hear define who they are. I think that's pathetic, and it goes against "to thine own self be true" principle that metalheads (even the satanic and atheist ones that hate Jesus) are supposed to tow.

>>214273076
He killed it as the Nightman so I got high hopes.

>James admitted in an interview he fucking hated how Lars and Kirk shaped the band in the 90s and if Cliff was alive he would've told them to stop being such faggots

Its insane just how different they would've ended up if Cliff lived. He was arguably the most talented member and usually sided with James.

>>214273262
i still wonder if Jason might have been more loyal if James had stuck up for him once in awhile instead of engaging in all the gay hazing shit that ruined the albums he was on like tuning out all of his bass parts

>>214270957
>Create any kind of content
>Don't back it up

Why are people like this? I remember some bitch in my country losing nearly an entire book she had written because she lost the password to her computer or something stupid.

I back up all my stuff several places, even though it's nothing like songs or books, but photos, videos I've taken and stuff like that. I even have my fucking Pepe folder backed up on google drive.

>>214273307
celebrities are useless and regress to a sort of manchild state where they need 3-4 personal assistants to take care of them

>>214273294
Metallica never really gave a shit about their bass players after Cliff. They always just considered them a touring member. Jason wasn't even allowed to contribute to any of the songwriting

>>214273262
In case you forgot they fucking killed Cliff's bass in the mix just like they did with Jason. They let very little of it through. James loved using that "scooped out" thrash guitar setting on his amps (bass and tone to 10, and midrange at zero), and it sounds great if you're a guitarist, but it absolutely suffocates the bass player in the mix. That's the reason why you can't hear the bass at all on those 80s thrash metal albums unless the guitarist was cutting out for a part. It wasn't until the Black album when Bob Rock taught James how to set his amps to let the bass come through while still being fat and heavy.

>>214273294
Jason wanted to be a positive contributor, and he was. He just got very little credit for it as James and Lars routinely went "Sharon Osbourne" on him. And I think that after AJFA gave him very little credit for that album where his prog fingerprint is all over it, I think he dialed back while knowing his place.

>>214273340
They were that way while Cliff was alive. The purpose of their live bass solos is to give James and Lars a few minutes to cool off, take a piss, and whatever. It's basically "you keep the crowd entertained while we bail for a few."

All things considered, Jason won.

>Was in their band through the height of their popularity
>Got out just in time to miss the biggest shitstorm
>Made Lars seethe
>Made enough money to do whatever the fuck he wants for the rest of his life

>>214272673
Oh, sorry, 29 years ago.

>>214270728
This, honestly. My parents were 19 and 20 when they had me, and I had three of my grandparents until I was 39, with two still being alive now when I'm almost 42. Also had three great-grandparents until my teen years with the last one dying when I was 18. Unfortunately, my one great-great-grandmother never got to meet me, since she died shortly after I was born, but at least I had one.

Nowadays with people having kids in their 40s, they'll be lucky to know their grandparents at all.

>>214265359 (OP)
Interesting sidenote (to me), I was watching the new "Terminal List" season and noticed some Metallica in the soundtrack. Compare also, that "Triple Frontier" movie. In both cases, when they want some musical accompaniment for badass SF operators, it's 80s Metallica, as if the last 35 years of their discography just doesn't exist. Which might have been for the best.

>>214273957
>Nowadays with people having kids in their 40s, they'll be lucky to know their grandparents at all.
They'll be fortunate if that's their biggest concern since their genetics are likely fucked from rancid old eggs.

>>214273713
Also got the cutest wife

obligatory

>>214274444
self checking like a fag

>>214274034
Healthy people have been born from older parents plenty.

>>214271456
Lars' wife

>>214265359 (OP)
That is actually the first thing I saw when we got cable for the first time. The cable guy was setting it up while I was doing my homework and when I was allowed to watch TV I sat down, turned it on, it was already on mTV, and this had just started.

I was 8. It changed my life.

>>214276479
>: Lars Ulrich

>>214276663
just when you thought Lars couldn't get any weirder

>>214269381
Black album was the beginning of the end. It isn’t really a metal album or anything similar to their previous works. It had great production for a hard rock album but doesn’t fit in the metal genre at all. Bob Rock is a faggot who helped brainwash Lars into deeper faggotry who pushed the band in retarded directions ever since. Death Magnetic is actually a great metal album and much heavier than anything on the Black album.

Did they kill Cliff?

I remember seeing a Poison video as a very young child (maybe six or seven), and thinking it was so cringe that it had to be a joke.

>>214265359 (OP)
>Lars really thought he looked cool with his open, pierced man boobs
How the fuck did their managers not tell them they looked fucking retarded?

>>214278346
their manager's job was to just keep them happy and ensure the money was rolling in. managers get paid by the label, not the band.

>>214278346
kek

NEW BLOOD JOINS THIS EARTH,
AND QUICKLY HE'S SUBDUED,
THROUGH CONSTANT PAINED DISGRACE,
THE YOUNG BOY LEARNS THEIR RULES

>>214273713
He was also the only one to call out how shitty some Load/Reload songs were.
>Asked if he would have bought Reload, bassist Jason Newsted said, "Not if I heard 'The Memory Remains' first."

>>214266814
I barely listened to half of Hardwired years after it was released and I haven't heard a single note of whatever Yellow Burnt Crib is.

>>214270957
>>214271021
>>214271035
Keep in mind he's a huge pothead too and maybe too baked to remember them or even making a secondary backup.

kino

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbrMVV9ukLk

MUH LIFESTYLE

We laugh and we mock but what I wouldn't give to go back to the Load-to-St. Anger era.

>>214266483
Unironically the best thing to come from Metallica. Bravo Lou Sneed

Am I the only one who thinks Kirk is a little, you know, finook?

>turn on VH1 Classic in 2006
>What, no warning? No second chance?

>>214269458
>when he died (he died)
STILL LOOKIN FOR SOMEONE WHO WAS AROUND
BARELY COPING

>>214278346
Silence of the Lambs had just come out; he was going for Buffalo Bill chic. It was a huge hit back then.

>>214274444
Was carrying his bags part of the initiation ritual for getting the bass playing gig? Like fraternity hazing?

>>214269789
He thought Play Girl would be read by house wives, not fags. Here was his response to the bug chasers that wanted him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNTDgHRk7hQ

>been in the band for 37 years
>is still the new guy
Why is it like this?

>>214278500
>Hear the intro on the radio
>"Oh cool, Unforgiven."
>It's Unforgiven 2
>mfw

>>214279037
>muh unforgiven
Nobody ever gives enough credit to Fade to Black. It's what any self-respecting, moody teen was listening to in the 80s.

>>214278500
>BLACK HART SCARRING DARKER STEEL
>BUT THEY'RES NO SON SHINING THREW
He's literally me.

I like how the best /mu/sic discussion is happening on /tv/. God /mu/ is such a fucking shithole.

>>214278956
That movie was five years old when Load came out, zoom zoom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silence_of_the_Lambs_(film)
People thought Buffalo Bill types were scary, not cool or good looking. Lars was trying to look like some hip, cool, transgressive artistic weirdo into degenerate art like Piss Christ (even hired the same artist for the album covers) and goes to sex clubs where everyone's knocked out on ketamine. But when you're 5'2, balding, and pudgy, you just look like someone's uncle at best and a pedophile at worst.

>>214279101
It's like how the best porn threads are not on the actual porn boards.

>>214279101
Like how the best Dragon Ball and Berserk discussions are on /v/.

>>214266897
You’re right, it’s a Megadeth album and it’s better than anything basedtallica ever “composed”

>>214266933
I do

>>214265359 (OP)
don't want it
I don't want it, want it, want it
Want it, want it, no
So tear me open but beware
The things inside without a care
And the dirt still stains me
So wash me 'til I'm clean

>>214271920
>>214272013
I think the real reason why Pantera disowns the Metal Magic era is because, even if the Abbots own them, they'd have to pay out royalties to both Terry Glaze and Phil, the latter of whom Vinnie never reconciled with.
>>214272094
>Phil cucking and apologizing for using the confederate flag in all their old promotional stuff
lol and then later that year this happened

>>214271920
This era is some of the best Pantera

>>214279101
/mu/ is nothing but kpop and threads about the female singer for Linkin Park with the same people replying.

Its a rotting corpse of its former self

>>214279395
Power Metal is basically Texan Judas Priest. Underrated album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhcXHUJOLvM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad9QbLRy9t0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pscCD5cAEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpLqmDE1qbQ

>>214265720
Kek
>give me back my mtv you motherfucker

>>214265720
I have a vague recollection of the guy running MTV at some point doing a video straight up telling people complaining about MTV not playing music videos anymore that they just got old, and it's time for them to go away now.

I'm guessing sometime in the 2010s, because that's when being openly antagonistic toward potential customers/audience became in vogue.

>>214266627
Nice story, tell it to readers digest!

>>214279829
HELLO ME!

>>214265359 (OP)
Metallislop had a generational crashout starting with this album and culminating with st anger. It was a wild ride to witness from a die hard metalhead for whomst metallinigger was practically a godlike entity

>>214279101
>WE usually have the best off topic threads around, i don't even watch movies anymore

>turn on mtv
>funeral of hearts

>>214279829
>NOOOOOO you're not allowed to talk about things in this social forum!!!
I genuinely thought I was on /mu/ when I said that, but it's still relevant to M/tv/
Metallica is kind of notable for their long as fuck songs. I'm 30, so MTV was before my time and had already become unwatchable by the time I was old enough to even know about it, but anyone into music is aware of its transformative role in the music industry.

>>214276448
>>214276479
where is James' wife?

>turn on MTV is the early 90's
>Hello me, it's me again

>>214280050
>I'm 30, so MTV was before my time

That just fucked with me a little bit.

>>214280070
Divorce court

>>214280151
>moms gonna freak

>>214280151
It's.......wanna choose my words carefully here.....but it's.....a little stock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjYvScUfAnY

Did they really think showing the mundanity of struggling in the studio, debating over scheduling for therapy, and bickering over shit songs would rehabilitate their image?

we can't have Kirk in our social club anymore, that much I do know

>>214272225
>>214272184
>>214271909
The problem isn't that Lars is a shitty drummer. It's that he used to be a good drummer who never honed his skills and let them atrophy with album cycle.

>>214280414
I think james knew it would expose everyone as massive faggots so he didnt have to bear the shame of failing cliff alone anymore

>>214271743
They kicked him on their way to recording the first album, not during. They basically took Dave all the way to NY while he blissfully thought they were on the same page and working together, and then once they arrived told him "you're out, here's some bus fare to get back to SF". As petty as Dave can be, you can see why he was bitter.

>>214280823
>took Dave all the way to NY
From where? SF or some other town they were touring in? fs, that's pretty cold.

>>214280888
From California, they all rented a truck with their gear and drove in shifts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallica#1981%E2%80%931984:_Formation,_early_years,_and_Kill_'Em_All
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_%27Em_All#Background_and_recording

Kirk was flown out to NY the day of Dave's firing.

>>214271150
enter sandman blows dogs

I can't blame Metallica (or Megadeth) for getting bored playing metal. Metalheads are autistic.

>>214265359 (OP)
>WHEN THEY FIND A CURE FOR PAIN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_FJn5jGG38

>>214271920
>(I mean heck, Spinal Tap was originally a skiffle band, right?)
That's a direct reference to the Beatles in case you weren't aware. Beatles started out as a skiffle group.

>>214279496
He's doing quite the Mustaine Growl there

>>214282244
Phil's voice had an insane range on his first two Pantera albums, almost like a southern Halford. It's a shame that by the late 90s, booze, heroin, and screaming incoherently totally ruined it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro0uwwnZ_ts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67T6u7zifn8

>>214276448
Why is he hover-handing his own wife?

>>214282395
He remembered his manlet status.

>>214279070
I was under the impression Fade to Black is the most well known "soft" song from their early albums

>>214269381
Incel effect. They got no pussy before the Black Album and complained about their audience being 100% "smelly dudes." They forced me to sit through an opening set by "Candlebox" in their 1994 tour because they knew that chick rock faggot shit would attract retard whores for them to pick out from the audience. I hope they all commit suicide

Man it's a hot one tonight
We got some nutty friends here,
Alright we just started doing this one a little bit ago,
here's a big old fat motherfucker called the thing that should not be
*URP* almost threw up my beer

>>214282911
SCREAMIN LIKE A MANIAC
DICKRASH

>>214271051
Good list

>>214282911
This next one's a really fucked up one, so uh, sounds really good when you knock shit together, man.
Always a good sound, y'know like, uh, your heads, your hands, your vocal chords, your tits, whatever you fucking got, entitled, uh, Harvester of Sorrow.

>>214271051
Absolute cringe and trash tier taste.

Until It Sleeps
King Nothing
Hero of the Day
Bleeding Me
Mama Said
The Outlaw Torn
Fuel
The Memory Remains
Devils Dance
The Unforgiven II
Low Man's Lyric
Fixxxer

>>214283056
>no 2x4
ngmi

we got some nutty frens here on /tv/

>>214278952
AND MY UNCLE LOUUUUU

pour one out for Lou

>>214283159
I DON'T
GIVE
A CHUCK

>>214280147
>"Do I...do I look too old now, James"

>"YEH-HEEEYUH"

>"Why are you so mean to me!!!"

>"CUZ I DUB THEE UNFORGIVUUUUUUUN, WHOH-OOH WHOOOOA"

>"You will hear from my lawyer James!"

>"DEAH"

>it's a Jason does the vocals on a KEA track episode
kino, KINO!

>>214283095
>reeeeeeetriiiibuuuuuuutiiionn
>reeeeeeetriiiibuuuuuuutiiionn
>reeeeeeetriiiibuuuuuuutiiionn
ick

>>214283381
These days I'd rather put on a Megadeth album than a Metallica album.

>>214283381
>IF THERE'S A WARNING!
>I'LL HAVE A SECOND CHANCE!

>>214283424
Which?

>>214283524
KIMB, PS, SFSGSW

How do I into metal?

>>214271193
You can say aged out, but that is one thing I credit Ozzy. He wasn't up on stage embarras8ng himself like David Lee Roth or some old decrepit rockstar thinking they still have it. Ozzy leaned into his age and made it part of his act/stage persona.

>>214267552
>worse than ghetto rap for white people
No. No it wasn't.

>>214285858
Its amazing how many early influencers got their start on mtv almost like it was designed for the children of spooks.

>>214266353
>Load and Reload
Post-Napster, they will never live down the hate they deserve. Fuck Lars Ulrich, greedy fucking bastard.

>>214285892
Who you calling a spook, honky?

>>214266483
It's okay cause it's admittedly trying to be artsy and out there. St Anger isn't that bad aside from the snareless snare drum. 72 Seasons is just straight up bad. And I think it's actually cause of Kirk Hamster. Everybody expects Lars to be bad and have somewhat accepted James is a Boomer dad who writes meme lyrics. But Hamster really dropped the ball, probably cause he doesn't give a shit. He just plays the same riffs and tries to make it sound good with his wah pedal. The production is also shit cause I guarantee they're probably trying to do it from their homes cause of COVID.

>>214267108
>they didn't want the thrash crowd, and wanted the hair-rocker crowd.
.....So? I've seen these faggy arguments for decades, you're just a bunch of pretentious faggots.

>>214270728
So.....why does that shit need to be on Music Television though? STFU.

>>214285910
I genuinely think Lars making a public spectacle out of Napster and illegal downloading was a psyop to push more people into downloading and devaluing music
>before Napster lawsuit, downloading music was mostly done by computer nerds
>suddenly in the year 2000, Lars is doing televised congressional hearings and fucking MTV appearances about FREE MUSIC ONLINE oh my science this must stop!
>normies en masse only focus on the FREE MUSIC part, start scouring online where they can get mp3s or finding the one computer nerd they know to point them in the direction or just give them free copies
>conversely there's an uptick in albums getting leaked, because the leakers know they have a wide audience to hear an album and just some autists on usenet.
>it's obvious the only people getting sued are those who have only a handful of downloaded songs, people with thousands of songs never hear a peep, because labels know it's impossible to litigate that
>oblivious that a bunch of millionaire musicians crying about losing money while they still live in mansions is a PR nightmare
Lars is either a giant retard or a fucking evil shit by basically cutting down the ladder for music profitability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miIIgxXiyU8

>>214286237
>Lars is either a giant retard or a fucking evil shit
....Why not Both?

>>214286237
>forced to tour until he literally can't be strapped to a drum stool any longer
Maybe he didn't' think that one though.

>>214285892
Christina Pazsitzky, Whitney Cummings, Theo Von, Pauly Shore, B.J. Novak, Adam Sandler, Aziz Ansari, Jon Stewart, Conan O'Brien, Ben Stiller, Jenny McCarthy, Chris Hardwick, Christina Hendricks et al. all came from MTV.

>>214286321
>Conan O'Brien
No he didn't, he got his start on SNL and the Simpsons.

>>214266402
>>214266627
>>214270715
>>214266686
I'm glad this era is getting more respect and even approval from people now. I'm only sad it took 30 years for it to be more generally accepted and enjoyed

>>214270678
Magnum should've been top of the bill.

My problem with the Loads is that half the songs are cringe worthy and have elements in them that make them entirely unlistenable even if there are a few good riffs here and there.

>>214265359 (OP)
>I wish somebody would’ve told me that there was going to be a ‘Tallica thread. how do you think it feels to be the only one without a post in the thread?