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What went wrong?

>>214272354 (OP)
Too many invincible girlbosses.

>>214272354 (OP)
Reddit guessed the season 1 twist and the showrunners were retarded

>>214272354 (OP)
Nolan jr spent years developing season 1, then took his hands off during season 2 and let his wife and the other female writers wreak havoc

>>214272354 (OP)
Wasn't true blood

>>214272604
This
>>214272626
Also this.

>>214272354 (OP)
Dolores turning into Cortana from Halo 5 and Maeve becoming the de facto protagonist. Shit should have died with dignity with season 1.

I've never seen a show drop off in quality from season 1 to subsequent seasons as Westworld.

it was originally a six episode miniseries with jimmy simpson as the main character and the story was just his experiences in the park. but since WB was getting bought again they insisted it be laden with a-list actors and extended to five seasons.

>>214272354 (OP)
>Dolores becomes a completely different and unsympathetic character from Season 1
>Ford is dead
>William and Jacob cease to exist as characters, only show up as cameos for when they want to show young Man In Black flashbacks
>Show ditches the fun videogame vibes
>Too much Maeve bullshit

Just because you couldn’t understand it doesn’t mean it’s bad.

>>214272580
This. It became overall smarmy and almost impressively boring. Plus overplaying the whole
>well if HE's actually a replicant, maybe THIS OTHER GUY could be a replicant too!
schtick.

And these weren't biologics like in Jurassic Park; the lack of technical safeguards really strained suspension of disbelief. It's kind of like watching The Walking Dead, and you're like OK, zombies, that's a familiar trope, I can accept this premise.... but then all of sudden they introduce AMWF, something so ridiculous that it spoils any pretense of worldbuilding.

>>214272904
Season 2 was still kind of enjoyable (emphasis on kind of), but I couldn't even finish the first episode of season 3, and season 4 from what I read wasn't much better either.

Anyways, Person of Interest and the first two seasons of Westworld are so far Jonathan Nolan's (and Ramin Djawadi's) best kino.

>>214272354 (OP)
Season 1 was enjoyable because it was fun seeing what Lyle was doing after his internship ended.

>>214272354 (OP)
literally only the pilot was good

>>214272354 (OP)
it moved beyond S1

S1 is all you need. If you're interested in watching the girlboss hook that it leaves you with as pretty much the only cliffhanger, you're a dumb fucking faggot

>>214272354 (OP)
They prioritised feminism and girlbosses over everything.

>Don't you feel bad for women, and indigenous women? Look how men treat women. Isn't it bad how we've been treating women?!
Even if I did... these things aren't fucking human.

They literally had Maeve become OP in 1 scene. I couldn't watch anything after season 2. That was one of the first shows that made me start noticing all the girlboss crap

>>214272832
>Maeve becoming the de facto protagonist.
Pretty much this. I couldn't imagine she would become the main character. She wasn't a particularly interesting or compelling one, and once I realized the show was going to follow her dumb story and we were supposed to sympathize with a cunty robot I knew the show was doomed. And it was.

>>214273014
>Dolores becomes a completely different and unsympathetic character from Season 1
For me it was this.

>>214272354 (OP)
Everything went downhill when The Man in Black finally discovered the secret of The Maze.

>>214272354 (OP)
it had a nigger as the main character

>>214272354 (OP)
Everything went downhill when The Man in Black finally discovered the secret of The Maze.

>What went wrong?
They never explained the shrink ray which made fans disappointed.

Last 2 seasons made it hard to relate to anyone. Like a lot of newer shows, it's almost just a vehicle for spreading and propagating the globo-homo multi-culti 21st century vision of the new artificially constructed diverse metropolitan populace. The showrunner's may not even be consciously intending to do so... I think a lot of them are so hopelessly mind-broken they just act as unwitting conduits for globohomo propaganda slop whether they realize it or not.

>>214274418
you mean you're not a heckin' anti-racist and don't want all of the people around you to be a jumble of races and not share any common traits other than the economic system?

no shrink ray reveal

>>214272354 (OP)
After S1 it’s just your typical
>the robots ARE alive, chud! It’s a heckin slavery
sci-fi slopfest like Detroit Become Human.

>>214274488
It turned into that toward the end of S1 honestly. All that shit about "this park isn't for them, it's for us". The show uses the exact same simulated emotionalism in robots as DBH to trick the viewer into buying into a bunch of scenes, and that isn't a coincidence.

>>214274418
Hey man season 3 with the GTA IRL app and the AI psychologist and the diverse gang warfare bullshit didn't seem like a happy future even if unintentional.

>>214272354 (OP)
they dropped the western setting

it became slopkino its my favorite unintentional comedy

Pseud media about robots doesn't understand that awareness of being a machine is a fundamental requirement for a machine to be considered self-aware. If the machine needed to have its mechanical nature revealed to it, it obviously isn't a self-aware entity in the first place by definition. Similarly a robot that behaves as though it knows all of its outward emotions are fake could be self-aware, whereas a robot that acts as though it believes its emotions aren't fake is certainly just a stupid, non-sentient algorithm.

>>214272354 (OP)
Too much world and not enough west

Everything to do with Maeve was a huge mistake, but even without her, the series became so fucking retarded in S3 and 4. At least with S2 I wasn't bored.

I suspect all the Maeve stuff was added in last minute and she never actually interacts with other characters other than the badly written retards that give her domain admin.

>>214272626
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>>214272904
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>>214274488
Westworld S2 was kino and I am sick of people shitting on it
the highs were of superb quality, top tier

>Testing for fidelity scenes with that scottish actor
>Teddy being changed and blowing his brains out in front of Dolores
>The man in black making it through the world, having some good scenes and dialogues, then he meets his daughter and kills her
>Logan the spoiled rich son scenes were great too, the actor really killed it
>The native indian episode wandering, finding the shutdown host of his love while nirvana piano rendition plays

The lows were bad, boring
>Maeve drudgery through the tedious shogunworld
>Bernand doing some discovering nobody gives 2 shits about
or whatever else was there...

But S2 is way better than it gets credit

>>214276618
It's way better than the shitshow that was S3 but I wouldn't consider it quality television apart from the high production values.

>>214276618
>The native indian episode

That was unrelenting kino, I'm surprised execs let them have that.

>>214272580
this. many such cases. took an absolute banger of an idea or a show, had a great first season, then it DEI'd.

it's still possible to shoehorn wahmenz and bleggs in to shows and not ruin them but they always overplay their hand

>>214272354 (OP)
Became a shitlib whinefest after season 1, every episode more insufferable than the last . Showrunners wife took over I think?

>>214272354 (OP)
Also was the first time I saw Tessa Thompson in anything and hated her immediately

>>214276618
S2 had good cinematography and art direction but that’s about it

>>214275939
It’s just such a safe trope to play that nobody even attempts to veer from it and make a humanistic counter argument that isn’t a strawman .

I watched into season 3 and quit, but my wife's never seen it. Do you feel like if we just watched season 1 and stopped it'd be kino? I remember it kinda has a hard ending if you just stopped there.

>>214277283
Yes that's exactly how you should watch Westworld.

>>214277283
Season 1 was the last show my mom watched before she died.

How does it end?

>>214272354 (OP)
Turns out they weren't tiny after all. Such a fucking blow to the community.

>>214273014
>Dolores becomes a completely different and unsympathetic character from Season 1
This is the crux of it. She just becomes nasty and cold and isn't fun to watch. I stayed a little while for the man in black, but I heard he dies.

>>214276686
I enjoyed it and Zahn McClarnon is great

>>214277283
Yes, it is obvious the showrunners really only cared about Season one

The bicameral mind is dumb horseshit that only a English major could find deep as it is so divorced from neurobiology

>>214279048
This is why they applied it to robots and not humans. It's a good plot device even though the original hypothesis is retarded.

>>214279139
Yet our robots are using evolutionary algorithms that mimic synaptic pruning to guide the linear algebra generating the probability tokens and they would likely think like us in a way.

>>214272354 (OP)
>What went wrong?
it shouldn't take too long to tell a story and some american tv series are just dragging on and the audience knows it.
- 1 or 2 seasons and end it well
- 7+ seasons and you're not done and risking cancellation

many such cases

Season 1 was great.

Didn't bother now. Tell me why I shouldn't like it

>>214272354 (OP)
he unironically changed season 2 in response to redditors guessing the season 1 twists

>>214278505
>and isn't fun to watch
That was the real death of the show. S1 is interest, S2 starts to have more dragged out eps. Last season sort of brings it all back and least it's interesting again. Yet everything Delores turns to a brutal yawn fest.
I get the whole emotional off robot crap but it wasn't interest to watch. I still think new viewers should plow past all the seasons. Being part of what angers first run viewers is ok this is what I get after a year?? Streaming or bootleg and you hang out the entire series in a few weekend that really tempers the feelings of it being too drawn out.