Thread 214302028

HD was a mistake

>>214302028 (OP)
upscaling* was a mistake

>>214302028 (OP)
Both of these are HD.
Left is the HDTV rip, right is the new home release master.

>>214302047

At the same time, people want perfection and old movie scans will have little to a lot of imperfections depending on the print. This drove the horror shows we have now. Not to mention over zealous directors of producers *correcting their movies. Cameron is one of the worst.

>>214302028 (OP)
fucking cameron retard

>>214302483
AI upscaling works great on cartoons. Not live action shit tho

>>214302483
left > right

>>214302028 (OP)

When they scan 35mm films at some point all of the information is extracted and all you get at higher resolutions is more random noise or film grain. Then they want you to smooth out the film grain but then it looks like a AI upscale. People should agree that for the vast majority of movies 2k is all the info you need.

>>214302506

I beg to differ

>When people start reviewing your grain structure, they need to move out of mom's basement and meet somebody," he stated. "Right? I'm serious. I mean, are you fucking kidding me? I've got a great team that does the transfers. I do all the color and density work. I look at every shot, every frame, and then the final transfer is done by a guy who has been with me [for years]."

>"All the Avatar films are done that way. Everything is done that way. Get a life, people, seriously.

>>214302613
>>214302506

>>214302613
have you seen the jetsons 4k remasters? holy fuck its so smooth and enjoyable to watch.

>>214302613
>>214302646
I did it on hentai and had good results. Maybe because that was the xerox animation?

>>214302628
I fucking hate this cunt

>>214302628

He must be used to looking at plastic. It also isnt a true transfer as he changes to colour grading in every so called remaster.

>>214302028 (OP)
The last 25 years were a mistake. Start over.

>>214302546
This but for HDR. The Rec 2020 color space that HDR operates in is way beyond what color 35mm actually has, so effectively, grading for HDR means you have to manipulate colors for it to look "right". Worse, because HDR blows out certain details, grain gets really obstructive and in turn studios have to slather DNR over everything and make the film in smudge. Rec 709, the SDR color space for 1080p, is fine and never needed to be fixed.

HDR is a fucking meme.
>>214302661
Post a screencap.

>>214302028 (OP)
Skill issue. Shows shot on 35 mm in the 80’s and 90’s look incredible with a proper remaster.

Was this remastered by a pajeet?

>>214302715
its on boomerang. i cant find clips online because pirates only care about their 720p quality as long as its free. so im not going to be burdened for "source".

The 4k remaster actually made this movie better by sticking to the original colour scheme (if a tad dark in places). It reminded me of the old dvds before they 'corrected' the movie.

>>214302851
You know the left side is taken from a 35mm scan of an old theatrical print, not the OG bluray right?

who cares about any of this you fucking nerds

get your dicks wet and stop being so embarrassing

>gets rightfully called out for trying to charge for a dogshit fast and cheap ai upscaling that literally anyone could do better with free software on a mediocre gpu within a few hours these days
>only defense is to call everyone who notices these glaring visual artifacts and distortions basement dwelling virgins

Cameron has always been a gigantic asshole, but at least he used to make good movies.

>>214302628
How to properly debate this? Everyone is seething but nobody is countering him.

>>214302899

Yes. I am saying that colours in the new 4k reflect some of the more natural colours of the original print. these images probably arent a good comparison. this is the 4k for example<

>>214302028 (OP)
Meh.

>>214302934
James, fuck off. I think the algo you have going on your next molested 4K remaster is about done.
>>214302977
Oh, you're ESL.

Those pics on the left side are not the original print, they're a dupe. Theaters don't run the original negative. Second, they don't look remotely similar, retard.

>>214303010

and this is blu ray where neo looks sick all the time

>>214302628
it looks like shit, Jimmy

>>214302899
people are so fucked up on shit-o-vision that they dont understand finer nuances of the industry. a lot of movies shown on the big screen are 2k or 4k quality. in the past when they put movies on to DVD's, since the DVD can only store so much data, a lot of the deeper colors, quality as well as the sound are cut in down in size so they can store it, making it a shittier version than what was shown on the big screen. when people upgrade to blu ray, a good portion of the quality jump is because blu rays can store more data than DVD's. and the quality of the films were always good, people are just tainted by shit and the world that differs is unreal. the matrix is a good example where the color pallets had to be removed to save data on DVD's. people will say it looks like shit, but thats how it was on the big screen and how it was always suppose to look. every time they are in the matrix, its suppose to have that green tint to it, indicating this isnt the real world, when they are in the real world its suppose to look normal.
you are lying. it was always green

>>214302972
The thing is some people are incredibly pig-headed to listen to others. Cameron is that way and has always been that way, so even if you bring up a good point he's gonna call you a neckbeard manchild or pull up his networth.

>>214303084
>you are lying. it was always green
Never said it wasn't.
>the-matrix-35mm-scan-comp(...).jpg
>35mm scan
You are a dumb nigger who can't read. That film scan isn't the negative, it's a fucking dupe that gets degraded as it's removed from the original source.

>>214303084
>it was always green

you just have to watch the original trailer to see thats not true
https://youtu.be/vKQi3bBA1y8?si=pKshILDWGOhfaGmC

>>214302483
The color filter is more of a problem here. It's like a soul remover

>>214303154
>>214303164
you are stupid. this was an intended art style done in the late 90's to early 2000's where lots of films had a green tint to it. there are specific camera filters that when they shoot gives it this effect, another big example is the ring.

>>214302972
>The remaster look worse than the original
>Get a life
Wow, how do we refute that?

>>214302851
>>214303273

>>214302028 (OP)
>HD
It's just Cameron and his AI upscaling.

>>214302028 (OP)
Cinema screens were always HD (well, better than).

my point still proven
theatrical release on big screen quality: 2k-4k
DVD' release quality: 480-720p
Blu ray: 1080-4k
blu rays have more disc space to store more data and dont have to cut on the original quality of the films. the true versions of the films that should be viewed for maximum viewing pleasure intended is 2-4k. you just got use to shit-o-vision and dont realize that it was always suppose to be that quality.

>>214303404
>DVD' release quality: 480-720p
>Blu ray: 1080-4k
Of course the frogtard is retarded.
>>214303248
And I'm saying a dupe generations removed from the original negative isn't a good comparison frognigger.

>>214303511
anything to cope with your 720p rips pirate.

>>214303554
Non-sequitur. You don't even know what resolutions each format supports.

>>214303576
>claims to love kino
>only watches 720p rips
>gets tainted by shittier quality
>calls better rips crappier versions
how do you even live?

>>214303280
...yes? How do you?

The only rerelease that should ever exist is the original, untouched, unaltered print at the highest resolution possible. No alterations, no color filters, no fucking bullshit.

Yes, I'm STILL mad at the green snow in LotR

>>214303611
>continues to project
>makes arguments replying to posts his sub 80iq can't read
Ranesh, it's time to stop posting and redeem the needful.

>>214303685
>green
It was blue.

>>214302646
I think I'm going to be sick.

Obtain 4k quality films
Ignore 720p owners.

>>214302028 (OP)
yes, it also makes all porn stars wear that specific makeup (which in turn makes teenage girls wear it) because anything else looks hideous in HD, even if it looks decent in reality or on celluloid film

>>214302028 (OP)
Film IS HD, you fucking retard. You originally watched this on a fucking crt, you dumb jeet

>>214302047
>>214302028 (OP)
That's AI. James cameron has ruined several of his movies with it.
The Abyss looks like a straight-to-netflix sitcom now because it's so bright and clean and shiny looking.

>>214302546
>2k is all the info you need.
Except 35mm film has nearly 7k of resolution.
And the bigger your screen, the more resolution you need.

>>214302755
which one's the blu-ray?

>>214302097
The fact that they did this to one of their premiere animation classics shows how retarded they got. Glad they finally fixed it

>>214304269
NTA but

>7k
that's B&W with a tack sharp lens in sunlight or arc lighting

color stock with a zoom, maybe a gel, with longer exposure can indeed show no detail beyond 2k

don't forget that a gate (film) frame is like half the size of a photo camera frame

I don't even think True Lies is that good, but I miss when Cameron was making real movies instead of Avatar slop

>>214302628
Based, his fans are retarded manchildren so its fitting that he treats them as such

>>214302483
great, the new one looks like color went away, like a modern war movie

>>214302028 (OP)
Thats not HD, thats AI filtering

This shit is going to do to movies what DNR did to old anime

>>214302646
not Blu-ray but Blurred

>>214302851
left look insanely good, right looks like boring shit

>>214303084
>the color pallets had to be removed to save data on DVD's
this is your moment of fame anon, at this moment you are probably the most stupid person on the internet
congratulations

>>214302851
that high contrast punchy 35mm just looks juicy
the remaster looks like it was made to be watched on smartphones lol