Thread 214302460

>strange otherworldly creature in the first film who origin is unknown
>hides and makes smart choices in how it stalks and kills its prey
>self sustaining organism
...... cut to
>mindless drone who stands blindly in front of cannon fire
>subservient to a queen that is just a BIGGER ALIEN (where does cameron get his ideas from?)
>completely reduces the mythology and mystery to nothing

Alien>Aliens

Daring today, are we OP...?
Also, you should probably fix that typo in the very first greentext, it's whose not who.
It's kind of sad how there's been several Alien movies but only 2 can be considered good, this franchise deserved better.

>>214302548
The precedent was set with 3 when it was decided in spite of making money the franchise should be given very little in the way of budget.

I won't argue that Aliens didn't detract from the mystery, weiirdness and pure cosmic horror of the first movie, but Cameron's movie was so insanely good that it was totally worth it

>>214302460 (OP)
>mindless drone who stands blindly in front of cannon fire
This directors cut has done more damage than any other in history by many orders of magnitude.

>>214302548
>It's kind of sad how there's been several Alien movies but only 2 can be considered good

>>214302619
touché

>>214302548
>but only 2 can be considered good

and that is the fault of aliens

>>214302548
>It's kind of sad how there's been several Alien movies but only 2 can be considered good
Yeah, Prometheus and Romulus.

>>214302460 (OP)
>Cameron thought he was better than Giger and refused to work with him, which he admits was ego driven
>Crew hated working with him
>Crew for Abyss also hated working for him
Why is Cameron such an asshole?

>>214302809

he is one of those guys who thinks he can do everything. ive worked with people like that and they cant help but be condescending and interject with their opinions when they arent needed. they also are regimental and belittle you for not being the same. drowning his actors didnt help either.

>>214302460 (OP)
Mindless? They cut the power to the facility, coordinated attacks, utilized the roofing to get into operations. That’s pretty far from mindless. Also the queen operating an elevator. It also does not detract from the mythology at all, because it doesn’t explore the origins. That remains the same. Aliens haters are so pathetic.

i don't care for newt

>>214302946
too old?

>>214302460 (OP)
>mindless drone who stands blindly in front of cannon fire
As opposed to the mindless drone that stands blindly in front of harpoon gun fire? That would have stood blindly un front of the Nostromo crew's guns if they weren't worried about the acid blood? That mindless drone could barely even move and just floated slowly at people? That mindless drone that couldn't kill a weak, unarmed, tired woman in her panties? Nice lovecraftian, ultra-mysterious giga-monster you got there. Your autism won't let you admit that you're wrong and your piece of shit alien was never mysterious, never invincible, and never anything more than a space parasite even in the first movie

>>214302460 (OP)
>>completely reduces the mythology and mystery to nothing
Total bullshit. Where does the queen come from? Do they have a home planet? What did facehuggers facehug originally? Are they completely natural or somehow engineered?

>>214302923
In that latest AE episode the xeno isn't slowed down at all by running woman closing the door between them - it just presses for the door to open.

>>214302946
I mostly don't care for your opinion, mostly.

>>214303683
So you care at least a little bit?

>>214302809
>Why is Cameron such an asshole?
He's Canadian.

A thing that bothers me about Cameron’s take on WY is that the first movie makes it clear that they’re an amoral corporation that doesn’t give a fuck about employee safety, but Cameron tries to build on this theme in a really clumsy way.

He throws out the weird new age-y ‘70s sun logo, he adds the obnoxiously wink-wink slogan, he makes what’s basically a company pursuing growth at all costs and willing to ignore ethics rules look like they secretly have a cartoonishly evil plan to become xenomorph breeders or whatever.

It’s kept in check in Aliens by Burke basically being a hot shot exec and WY being shown to provide actual goods and services, but the idea that the company is basically doing things just to be evil continues to haunt this franchise and I blame Cameron for it.

It also just makes WY less believable as a company. They’re basically an industrial conglomerate in the original and subsequent directors have made them out to be fucking Doofenshmirtz Evil Inc for no reason. The original Alien was about the banality of evil; all these guys are working for shares that become more valuable specifically because of the policies that are endangering their lives. That goes away when WY is run by people who are ACTIVELY dicks.

>>214303929
isnt there an easter egg in the company logs in aliens where that bullshit theory that both bladerunner and alien are in the smae universe comes from?

>>214302548
I hate everything Ridley Scott has made from Alien 3 to this day.

>>214302573
If only they went with the Dark Horse comics timeline

>>214303929
And you can tell Cameron still has a boner for this idea because the RDA in Avatar (where no one was around to tell him no) is this cranked up to 11; the company actively chooses to be a dick for no financial gain at all, and even subsidizes an entire department to document and catalog what assholes they’re being.

>>214304095
Yep, though I find this less offensive just because it’s plausible and/or ignorable.

Wait, Hulu doesn't have the extended cut versions of Aliens and Alien 3? What the fuck is wrong with these fuck asses.

The original movie was more "what if the lifecycle of this organism fucks you right in the ass". You don't even fully understand what the title is referring to. You see a space ship - is the alien on the ship? You see a space jockey - is that the titular alien? You see eggs - are those the aliens? Will the aliens hatch from those? You see the facehugger - ah OK finally, the alien? OK I guess the alien is this golden worm? Oh wait fuck

The second movie needed to add a layer of mystery in terms of their life cycle. The idea that there's a queen or an army is cool, but it wasn't subversive or surprising, it was just used to elevate the stakes. It's fine, but it doesn't really expand on the themes of the original. Alien is a way better film.

>>214302460 (OP)
>strange otherworldly creature
...

>>214305048
it's just a parasitoid wasp bro

>>214302460 (OP)
Can operate elevators

yeah it was ruined when they became space bugs
oh no it got loose again! someone get the bug spray!!

>>214305151
goofy ahh boomer design :skull emoji: stuffed toys with two rows of teeth in liminal spaces is what's really peak

>>214302460 (OP)
Does she make a lot of sandwiches in the movie? Not sure why she's holding a weapon. Haha.

>>214302460 (OP)
Other than the close ups of teh mouth, the Alien suit looks terrible in the first movie. CGI was a vast improvement (many such cases)

>>214305494
ok now try to defend your goofy guy in a suit without resorting to whataboutism

>>214305619
i dont think aliens used much if any cgi

>>214305972
>goofy guy in a suit
maybe in alien$ and alien: earth

>>214306087
>braindeadedly starts doing whataboutism again
oh boy alien fanbois are old enough to be going senile arent they

>>214304159
Aliens is very clearly Cameron imprinting his "Project 880" ideas on the Alien IP, throwing out a lot of what Alien established

I'm fine with Aliens being its own thing. It's a well directed dumb action movie. Something like Blade Runner 2049 is much more offensive to me because it tries to be smart like the original and is dumber than a film like Aliens.

>>214305151
I saw a full size xeno statue at a cinema when I was a kid well before I'd seen the movies. I can't imagine people getting to see this in 1979 without knowing what it looked it and only getting glimpses here and there throughout the film until the end.

>>214305993
No, but 3 did ;)

>>214302460 (OP)
A franchise that should've stopped at one film. Many such examples.

>>214302809
He's a perfectionist, and expects perfection from his crew. I'd say he's earned it, considering the achievements in his career.

>>214302460 (OP)
You guys seriously misremember Aliens as being some shoot-em-up where the Marines just mow through waves of xenomorphs. In the first major attack, half the Marines get wiped, and in the second major attack, everyone but Ripley, Hicks, and Newt are killed, and they are always on the retreat.

Of course the Marines are going to be more effective than the crew of the fucking Nostromo, are you retarded?

>>214302548
aliens is trash.

>>214302460 (OP)
It just shows how incompetent were the guys In Alien 1
Aliens > Alien

>>214306690
He doesn't really get enough credit for fully realizing the facehugger's skittering which greatly amplified its creepiness. Plus the acid blood is not really a threat in a terrestrial setting, so you go "ok, but why should we care if this thing makes it elsewhere?", and the film came up with a decent solution for that.

>>214306787
Is it? Is it really?

Can we choose to live in a universe where Alien is the only Alien flim, but we were lucky to get the action version of it also.... and that's it nothing more. Elen Ripley last survivor of the nostromo & the sulaco signing off

>>214302607
It's a good movie, but I wish it was stand-alone.

>>214302460 (OP)
Fuck off retard. You don't deserve good movies.

>>214307581
Any sequel that isn't made from the original creator is really just fan fiction, i don't care who "bought the rights" or how good the production is . It's just fan fan fiction. And that's literally what james cameron did

>>214307581
Any movie from any series can be stand alone if you want it to be

It's your imagination bringing it to life after all

>>214302460 (OP)
>makes smart choices in how it stalks and kills its prey
Like what

>>214307992
Just go along with it, man.

>>214302460 (OP)
hate alien posters so much. you're absolute fucking retards and should be bashed to death with spades.
>DAHHH EVERY FILM SHOULD BE A ONE DIMENSIONAL SLASHER WITH A SURPRISE DAAAHH BECAUSE THE SURPRISE THRILLER SLASHER IS DAAH SURPRISING DAAAHH EVERY TIME DAAAHHH
where did the THOUSANDS of EGGS come from you stupid cunt. it's not a singular organism, it was clearly a bio weapon/seeding ship
did they hand craft little chocolate eggs
fucking spastic.

>>214305048
>I'm a retard and I want to be surprised every time
>after watching a dozen Friday the thirteenth films I'm always surprised every single time that Jason is back and he's the killer. because I'm an actual lobotomy patient
>mindless slashers are the ultimate genre

>>214302460 (OP)
True, true.

>>214302915
he literally can though, honestly even his sketching abilities mog

Did the assembly cut save it?

>>214304108
>Ridley Scott
>Alien 3

>>214302460 (OP)
I've never even seen Aliens because there is a kid in it. I bet it's just like Road Warrior.

Mad Max > Road Warrior
Alien > Aliens

>>214306616
A perfectionist would be appalled by those awful AI remasters. He's just an egotist.

>>214302809
His movies made enough money for the right people, so he thinks he can have carte blanche to treat everyone however he wants.
>>214306616
>He's a perfectionist
That's code for being a petulant faggot.

>>214302460 (OP)
I agree, Aliens looks terrible on paper... yet it's such a good MOVIE once you take a peek you can't stop watching it
in this respect it's better than a first whose main merit is the set design, art style, concept etc. but otherwise it's a one-trick pony

pic unrelated

>>214309386
>Mad Max > Road Warrior
You don't believe that, man.

>>214309579
>one trick pony
>merits: everything
odd statement

>>214309579
>Aliens looks terrible on paper... yet it's such a good MOVIE once you take a peek you can't stop watching it
Alien is also like this, both have unremarkable scripts but are allowed to shine due to being made by extremely talented filmmakers

>>214309913
>>214309810
ok, that's fair, although I feel like Alien needs effort put into it while Aliens just drags you along

>>214302460 (OP)
>strange otherworldly creature in the first film who origin is unknown
but they knew where it came from, the cargo bay of a crashed ayylium spaceship.
>hides and makes smart choices in how it stalks and kills its prey
the alien literally just climbs through vents
>self sustaining organism
we didnt see it lay eggs

>mindless drone who stands blindly in front of cannon fire
I dont think its unrealistic because they dont know what a cannon is and when the reach critical mass they change in how they hunt/attack.
>subservient to a queen that is just a BIGGER ALIEN (where does cameron get his ideas from?)
insects? also the aliens have to procreate somehow.
>completely reduces the mythology and mystery to nothing
there was never mythology or mystery to begin with.

>>214309579
>jewish rabbi sets it on fire
kek wat

>>214302460 (OP)
Yes Cameron was a retard. This was never in doubt. Fun action flick in it's own right though.