Thread 214318357

pitch a movie set here

>>214318357 (OP)
restorative justice is the most retarded fucking thing ever. it's basically a system where those who do crimes get zero punishment. it's supposed to cause remorse but criminals don't feel remorse because they don't have the ability to feel empathy.

>Leftists abolish punitive punishment for crime
>Can now do nothing to punish hate-speech, thought-criminals, etc.

>>214318383
The wiki page says restorative justice is complimentary to retributive justice which means your argument is hilariously wrong

>>214318414
I mean, a restorative justice solution to hate speech would be to put the offender into dialogue with people harmed by their comments and to show them the real impact of their words.

It's weird to make this a left-right thing. I mean aren't rightists big on Christian morals and stuff? Encouraging reform through guilt and confession seems pretty Christian.

>>214318357 (OP)
psychological horror where an inmate has to survive the woke gulag and it's impossible to know if the psychopatic criminals or delusional ideologues running the places are the ones that are more insane

>go to the restoration peace circle
>see pic related
What do?

>>214318417
>The way Leftists use the term is the way it was originally intended to be used
Lmao, no, that's not true of pretty much any term they adopt.

>>214318437
>a restorative justice solution to hate speech would be to put the offender into dialogue with people harmed by their comments and to show them the real impact of their words

>"Your words hurt MY feelings :("
>"I don't care."

Then what?

imagine youre trying to walk with your kids and some 3rdie knifeman accosts you just because some left wing bitch voted to build a restorative justice community near the house you worked your whole life to buy

>>214318357 (OP)
Sorta place you'd see tote bag hijab women

>>214318449
You're choosing to focus on the most extreme, unnuanced view possible instead of talking about what any reasonable person would suggest for an implementation of restorative justice.

>>214318383
It's only good for teenagers who did stupid shit but otherwise have a good home situation. Most ghetto criminals aren't smart enough for it to work on. If someone is on criminal conviction number 3 or 4 it's a joke.

>>214318470
Then fire them and replace them with someone more community minded?

>>214318357 (OP)
>community childcare
massive red flag

>>214318437
>aren't rightists big on Christian morals and stuff
I'd be REAL careful before you start asking to live in an outright Theocracy rather than merely a modern Western Constitutional Republic that merely utilizes Christian principles as external moral guidance, buddy. There are a lot of OTHER things that would be inherent to living in a Christian Theocracy that, I can assure you, you wouldn't be so much of a fan of.

>>214318470
>Oh no, you need more therapy and councilling. By which I mean prescribed drugs that will numb your brain and lower your trstosterone.

>>214318357 (OP)
Day Zero Minority Zombie Outbreak

>>214318494
>Then fire them
From what? What position or job did you imagine this person having? What if they own their own business? What if they're self-employed? Who exactly is going to "fire" them, and from what?

>>214318494
This, fire all leftists.

>>214318357 (OP)
a movie like rampage except its a deranged /pol/ chud who stomps around the building mowing down women and minorities with automatic weapons.
Then a brave trans woman named Chandelier braves the onslaught and saves the day!
And then a chinese bomb levels the entire city, and the camera cuts to Putin and Xi having a drink and laughing - and at the end, Putin winks at the camera while raising his glass, saying "A toast" in english

>>214318417
>The wiki page says
you are a fucking retard. go look up restorative justice. even liberal ass teachers bitch about their schools implementing it because you are supposed to sit down and talk about it instead of punishing the kid who was being a piece of shit and the kid who is a piece of shit isn't going to care because they have no empathy and only understand being punished
>>214318481
exactly. it can only work if you use it on a good person who fucked up in the moment. if you try it on anyone who normally acts like an asshole it doesn't work because they are an asshole

>>214318519
If they're jobless then they can say whatever they like but people are rightly going to remember that if and when they want some kind of important position within society. If they have their own business then it seems like we already have pretty good cultural mechanisms for boycotting businesses like that.

>>214318470
I used to work in education where restroative justice is huge and a lot of the time I'd have a similar conversation with a student. At that point you just tell them not to do it and report it so the whole thing becomes a tick-box exercise. Like >>214318481 says restroative justice can only work with people who are capable of reflecting on their actions but otherwise it's incredibly useless. It's your typical idyllic solution that doesn't take into account the real people you're forced to interact with and was one of the many reason I got out of the field.

>>214318548
That doesn't mean it universally replaces retributive systems. It means sometimes when you might punish you opt for a more restorative solution. But yeah there are going to be people for whom that doesn't work and that's when imprisonment is required.

>>214318437
Morality is a very secondary aspect of religion but I don't expect any modern western citizen to be well educated on theology.

>>214318357 (OP)
>a mysterious man who's been linked to multiple dissapearance in the Los Angeles area is caught trying to absorb the life essence of a homeless man in an alleyway
>The homeless man, after having described his fruitful experience with the man, petitions him to be sent to a restorative justice center
>The mysterious man is then sent to the center, now being forced to act "human"
>He takes it upon himself to eat the genuinely awful people who have taken up residence at the center
>Then, he starts eating random people and staff
>A lone staff member catches on and attempts to stop him
>They get eaten too
>But he managed to call the police before he got reduced to a pile of sludge
>The film ends with the mysterious man leaving the building, disguised as the frightened staff member he just ate, and strolling over to a black car he's hidden deep within the city
>He drives off...looking for more food

Oh n-

restorative justice doesn't work because the people who commit violent crimes are legitimately barely sentient. there was an austrian guy who murdered a bunch of prostitutes, then a bunch of intellectuals decided that he was reformed in prison, and so got him released. he immediately went back to murdering prostitutes.

>>214318383
>it's basically a system where those who do crimes get zero punishment

No, this is incorrect. Because the belief is that all crime is a product of basic needs not being met by society, "restorative justice" means that the punishment for a crime is not nothing, but is in fact to give the CRIMINAL things as a reward. IE: If they steal, it means they need food, so you give them free food. If they murder, it means they carry generational trauma from slavery and they get given 20 acres and a mule and classes on how to farm and someone to tell them they're a good boy.

Leftists believe that even the most horrific crimes are directly a behavioral product of the criminal not being given enough free stuff by the rest of the society. You'd think the word "restorative justice" would imply it's the victim being "restored", but it's actually the opposite. In Leftism, the victim is basically completely unimportant and in fact is often never even mentioned at all. When someone steals, you help the person doing the stealing. What about the victim, the guy who got stolen from? Doesn't matter, it's just stuff, who cares. Same with violence, violence is an outburst of emotion at unmet needs. The victim of the violence isn't the one with the deep generational scars of trauma, they don't need anything.

The fuck is the "restorative justice solution" to something like an unprovoked murder?
After Jamal breaks into a 93-year-old World War II veteran's home and stabs him & his wife to death to steal a total of $40 from them, what does he get? A "stern talking-to"? "Hug-Therapy"? A five-class course designed to explain to people "why stabbing other people is wrong"?

>>214318357 (OP)
pitch a movie set here

>>214318448
gap teeth in his mouth so my dicks gotsta fit

>>214318437
criminals don't feel guilt and restorative justice literally only works if everyone buys in and that will never, ever happen
>>214318572
except the fucking retarded cocksucking libs want to replace all retributive justice with "restorative justice" because "it's better for minorities" even in situations where it doesn't work. that's the whole issue is it won't work on someone who is a piece of shit and leftists want people to specifically use it on people who are pieces of shit

>>214318594
>The fuck is the "restorative justice solution" to something like an unprovoked murder?

See >>214318593
The solution is to give the murderer a house, food, and access to counseling where they tell him that he dindu nuffin and he doesn't realize it but he's just acting out because of the hurt in his soul from deep inter-generational trauma carried in his DNA.

>>214318605
Not everyone is the unreformable meme caricature you have of a criminal
>except the fucking retarded cocksucking libs want to replace all retributive justice with "restorative justice" because "it's better for minorities"
I really, strongly doubt they're assuming literally everyone will be easily reformed and that there won't be cases where extended prison sentences are required. Again it seems like you guys are focusing on the most uncharitable worst possible implementation of this idea instead of trying to take the positive aspects of it.

>>214318602
>>214318631
what's up with mexican flags naxt to lgbt flags
aren't mexicans super homophopic?

>>214318572
We literally already have countless examples of that. Prisoners are provided with Conflict Resolution Courses, GED programs, Work Education programs, Behavioral Therapy, and countless other things, all at tremendous expense to the taxpayer. And even now, as we're doing MORE (and spending more money) than ever before, it still isn't necessarily having as great an impact on recidivism as it should.
So not only is "Restorative Justice" NOT even proposing anything new or different, but what it *does* propose already has a very questionable level of efficacy in the first place?

>>214318593
>You'd think the word "restorative justice" would imply it's the victim being "restored", but it's actually the opposite. In Leftism, the victim is basically completely unimportant and in fact is often never even mentioned at all
That's how we lead to situations like this
https://x.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1673699435614998531?t=fUyOZypI6xaKiAmchH7IcQ&s=19

>>214318563
it works great for admin because then they don't have to do their jobs, which is their goal
>>214318598
we have as many water fowl now as we had in the 1970s and more durr than we had 200 years ago due to hunters paying for conservation. Where as we only have like 1/3rd or 2/3rds of the migratory birds that don't live with ducks that we had in 1970

>>214318593
>In Leftism, the victim is basically completely unimportant and in fact is often never even mentioned at all
Huh? Leftists always talk about the prolonged trauma of suffering abuse and the point of restorative justice is to empower the victim.

Again, it's really bold to make this a left-right thing as though rightists haven't historically tried to victim blame women for rape or try to find the most technical reasons to justify cops shooting some guy doing nothing wrong.

>>214318602
The fuck are """Third Places"""?
I might be wrong, but that term reeks of communist Newspeak...

>>214318631
Are bus stops not wheelchair accessible?

I dont think ive ever seen one wheelchairs couldn't access.

>>214318675
iirc it means a place you can go besides home and work (i.e. park, library).

>>214318602
>restrooms with adult changing stations
what?
>>214318645
have you ever looked into any of the studies they have done on violent felons? the vast majority of violent felons are borderline retarded and have shit like xyy or lead poisoning that results in low IQ. normal people aren't violent pieces of shit, it's legit just retards and restorative justice doesn't work on violent retards

>>214318650
>what's up with mexican flags
Literally just a "you're being colonized, Whitey, and you can't do anything about it"-acknowledgment.

>>214318657
>it still isn't necessarily having as great an impact on recidivism as it should.
Based on what? This is such an insanely cautious statement, you've basically made it possible to critique. What's the required impact on recidivism for you to justify the cost? It now sounds like you're basically acknowledging it DOES work, it's just not quite as effective as you like because... why exactly, other than some ideological problem with the concept itself?

>>214318671
>Leftists always talk about the prolonged trauma of suffering abuse
Of the blacks, of the criminals. Not of the victims of their crimes.

>and the point of restorative justice is to empower the victim.
It's literally the opposite.

>as though rightists haven't historically tried to victim blame women for rape
If you choose to go into a place with criminal predators, you are responsible for the consequences, I don't know what to tell you. If you don't want to be raped, don't fucking go to clubs with criminals.

>or try to find the most technical reasons to justify cops shooting some guy doing nothing wrong.
90% of cop shootings, and I'd say 100% of cop shootings involving blacks, are justified.

>>214318650
Well you see Orang Man hate Mexicans so Mexicans good

>>214318671
it's not right wingers who want this restorative justice grift, tranny

>>214318675
>The fuck are """Third Places"""?
any place other than your home you can go to for free
>>214318686
same thing with the public bathrooms, there are public bathrooms everywhere

>>214318598
>Demonrats just eradicate the projects and its inhabitants
Uh, based?

>>214318675
Its a new term for something that didn't really need a term before because it was just part of normal life. It used to be a normal thing to just be out of the house (and not at work) at places like a store, a park, a mall, etc., where people would congregate and spend time. We've basically stopped doing that because computers have replaced the functions of all of those things so most of them close down and disappear because they're not profitable businesses in the modern era, and now you have the problem of everyone just being stuck inside on their computers while also having nowhere externally to go and congregate.

>>214318602
>Adult changing places
Do I want to know what this is?

>>214318702
>Not of the victims of their crimes
Do you think leftists never mention sex crimes and the people hurt by them? They're the most vocal people in society talking about abuse of women, domestic violence, and stuff. Rightists only care about this stuff when it lets them attack some group they dislike for other reasons.

>It's literally the opposite.
>"Unlike traditional criminal justice, restorative justice focuses on repairing harm by looking into the future and by empowering the harmed (victims) and harming parties (offenders) to participate in a dialogue[7]. "
Again you guys are just focusing on some meme version of this idea you've invented

>If you choose to go into a place with criminal predators, you are responsible for the consequences, I don't know what to tell you
It's crazy how you people fail at the literal first hurdle. It costs you absolutely nothing to say "Yeah rape is bad" and you can't even do that. Why do you people religiously cling to the worst positions imaginable?

>90% of cop shootings, and I'd say 100% of cop shootings involving blacks, are justified.
And the 10% that aren't still have right wingers working double time to defend the police and justify the special privileges they get to argue their way out of any conviction. Also loads of white guys get murdered by cops too.

>>214318645
>>214318671
Imagine coping this hard when we are currently dealing with Maryland Father.

>>214318701
>What's the required impact on recidivism for you to justify the cost?

If we're spending hundreds of millions of dollars on work programs, education programs, and all this shit for prisoners in hopes that they turn their life around, and on balance it gets MAYBE a handful of people to not go out and commit crime immediately after they're released, it's not worth it.

Also, statistically, even if someone does "turn their life around", they're extremely likely to just go back to crime no matter how much their life improves or how much they're given.And when I say "people", I mean blacks.

>>214318631
>little free library

holy shit this artist thinks that humans are just NPCs in a computer game
people get bored as fuck of libraries
people arent going to be chasing their dogs around a park while smiling
kids arent going to be kicking a football and smiling. theyll be going behind the supermarket and lighting fires or stealing fire extinguishers.
free food will be stolen
community gardens wrecked

this has GOT to be ragebait

>>214318747
>Do you think leftists never mention sex crimes and the people hurt by them?

No, their response to mass child rape gangs was to push for Online IDs while they house the rape gangs in four star hotels.

>>214318357 (OP)
>A latinx woman forgives her sons killer. >But ngubu kills her in the peace circle.
>A man with a very hooked nose crouches over her body and says we need to keep trying as the camera fades out

>>214318764
I mean the wiki page says that the latest data show recidivism rates are significantly reduced by restorative justice measures so I don't really know where you're getting that from.

>>214318747
>Do you think leftists never mention sex crimes and the people hurt by them?
This is a secondary problem, because ask a Leftist who is doing the raping. I bet they won't want to talk about it.

>It costs you absolutely nothing to say "Yeah rape is bad" and you can't even do that.
I don't want to be shot or robbed, so I avoid areas with black people in them. Ipso facto, reso ipso loquitor. If you don't want to be raped, avoid areas with rapists. Obviously there are categories of rape this doesn't prevent, but for the 80% of cases, it works pretty fucking well.

>Also loads of white guys get murdered by cops too.
Some, sure. But let's be real, it's an 80/20 thing blacks to whites.

>>214318602
>lactation support
I'm sold

What the artist doesn't realise is that places like this can only function in an ethnically homogenous nationalist society (see China or Japan).

>>214318631
the brown minorities he loves so much are going to trash this in no time

>>214318760
Not coping and the fact that posters have now qualified their initially extreme opposition shows that most of you guys are totally fine with realistic suggestions of restorative justice, you're just angry about an absurd strawman version of it

>>214318803
Lol. "The wikipedia page told me that leftism is good!"

Uh huh. Sure champ. We're all very happy for you.

>>214318803
>the wiki page
How about NPR article? Or something even more authoritative, like a Reddit thread?

>>214318845
i'd like to see those stats weighed by race lol

>>214318842
Restorative justice is criminals in stone quarry and their families paying reparations to the victims.

>>214318831
>because ask a Leftist who is doing the raping
Mostly they answer: Men. Which is true. Yes I know you want some specific racial answer but why would Leftists enable your performative concern for sex crimes when you're really only pretending to care so you can rally against nonwhites?

>I don't want to be shot or robbed, so I avoid areas with black people in them.
And if you were shot or robbed then it's still a crime and you shouldn't be blamed for it and you should be given all the support in the world.
Also, regarding sex crimes, they mostly happen in close relationships. Marital rape is a thing.

>Some, sure
Honestly the worst examples of it I've seen have been white men. Some totally haunting footage lives in my brain forever of young drunk white guys being fucking murdered by police over nothing.

>>214318788
nah, it's fucking retards who are in college and have only lived around white people. they think every town and city is going to be just like their college dorm

>>214318803
>I mean the wiki page says
I'm 100% sure the editors of that page are actual literal communists

>>214318855
I mean the wiki page links to actual studies including meta-analyses. I assume you don't need to be spoon fed.

>>214318841
kek where are the vids/pics of the mcdonalds in the white neighborhoods with the n64s and touch screens and then one in the ghetto where some kid breaks everything just because it's there

>>214318839
This is what I mean here >>214318593

Leftism is this particular form of retardation that believes that if they just coddle and pamper and sacrifice enough for the blacks and browns, that it will turn them into civilized people and they will start wanting to take part in normal society, so that the Leftist Utopia can function in the same way that a more conservative, traditional, homogenous mono-ethnic society does. Which obviously is absurd and cannot happen.

Do you know why those societies have no murders and no trash on the streets and no robbery? Because they have no blacks and browns. That's the reason. You cannot socialize a black person. You can literally give them everying; free housing, free food, free cars, free cash to spend (and we do give them all of that, by the way) and they STILL will steal and trash things and kill each other and random people.

Why? Because that's just what they do. Giving them free stuff and telling them they're generational victims of DNA trauma doesn't make them magically want to be functioning human beings. You might as well try and explain to your dog that it needs to learn to eat with a knife and fork.

>>214318909
So what? It's still a study conducted by a legitimate research group.

>>214318357 (OP)
Shot Caller 2

>>214318916
>>214318932
>I mean the wiki page links to actual studies including meta-analyses.
I'm sure those studies are retarded. have you ever read a social science gun control study?
a. there is a massive reproducibility crisis in studies right now
b. go read any gun control study, like every single one is some version of
>we made up a bunch of numbers
>we just counted gun suicides as gun ownership
>we corrected for % black
>there is a correlation of 0.000000034 (the correlation for % african American male is like .7 btw)

>>214318930
I don't see why it can't happen. If there is more social mobility and succeeding through working hard feels realistic, then it's likely going to be a preferable alternative to crime for most.

>>214318963
>succeeding through working hard

>preferable alternative to crime

Lolwhat.

>>214318962
I mean that's why they do meta analyses. The data might be imperfect but it's the best we can go off of.

Also it's kind of funny given that the anon I was talking to implicitly made reference to recidivism not being sufficiently lowered as a result of restorative justice programs. Everyone's fine with a mistruth until you get fact checked and it supports a largely left wing view.

guys, we have ourselves a retarded leftoid redditor in the thread

you know hes a redditor from his perfect grammar and punctuation

he also has those absolute bullshit passive aggressive soundbites like 'i mean, its almost as if'

'i mean, the experts suggest...'

'yeah, so how does doing x guarantee y again?'

'its almost as if...'

ignore him and move on.

>>214318993
I meem

>>214318357 (OP)
>all that shit next to the kid's area
Some people REALLY dont understand cause and effect

>>214318993
Yup I do use reddit sometimes.

>ignore him and move on.
Sorry for intruding on your safe space I guess?

>>214318972
Well crime could send you to prison or otherwise puts your health and safety at risk.

>>214318357 (OP)
The concept of a city or society proverbially made of glass is not new. Fuck even Zardoz could be interpreted as that concept. So just do Zardoz again, a masculine barbarian from outside comes in and fucks everything up with practicality and common sense.

>>214318993
>I mean
That really does scream somebody who is afraid to stand by their arguments. Why even be on the racist chud website if that's the case?

>>214318963
>>214318972
>>214319008
>succeeding through working hard
>preferable alternative to crime
lmao this. most criminals do crime because they are lazy

>>214319024
I don't see how that follows at all. I've stood by my arguments plenty.

>>214318602
Too bad children do none of those things, they sit in place browsing the internet on their phones. Also >wheelchair dog

>>214318988
>I mean that's why they do meta analyses. The data might be imperfect but it's the best we can go off of.
it's not
>imperfect
it's actively propaganda and not based on reality

>>214319008
>crime could send you to prison
Am I having a conversation with someone who has never met or seen a black person in their lives?

Anon, literally 33% of ALL BLACKS IN THE COUNTRY are fucking convicted felons.

>>214319036
>I mean
>I guess
Doesn't scream confidence

>>214319039
You have no proof of this. You're just claiming that an outcome which disagrees with your notion must be wrong which is silly.

>>214319043
That doesn't mean they're ignorant of crime or that they don't have an understanding that committing crime will send them to prison.

>>214319047
I prefer a softer style to speaking because I feel it's a little more friendly.

>>214319063
>You have no proof of this. You're just claiming that an outcome which disagrees with your notion must be wrong
go read any of the studies. the methodology is always some version of
>we made up all of these numbers
and they are never reproduceable

>>214318357 (OP)
>community childcare
>in a fag neighborhood
Even white trash and ghetto niggers at least sell their kids not give them up to fag pedos for free.

>>214319087
>go read any of the studies. the methodology is always some version of
>>we made up all of these numbers

I've never in my life met someone who references "studies" that can even pull up the paper and find where it explains the how and why of the numbers. Actually, I've never met someone who uses published papers as an argument who reads them at all, they literally just go by the title and maybe a summary of the abstract.

>>214319087
There's been a trend of meta-analyses supporting the effects of restorative justice though so they are reproducible

>>214318383
It's good for female criminals. A lot of women are in prison for non-violent crimes, or for killing their abusive husbands, meaning the public already takes pity on them.

>>214319129
10 papers making up the same conclusion isn't what "reproducibility" means you fucking inbred queer.

>>214319107
I usually go into studies to read the methodology to point out that gun control is bullshit. basically every left wing study I've ever read used very fancy words to say
>we made up all these numbers
where as any actual chemistry, medical, ect article I've read was written in plain english. fucking social "science" papers use difficult language to try to hide the fact they made up all the numbers
>>214319129
that's not what that means, retard. reproducing it means they could do the study again and get the same results. it doesn't mean multiple propaganda studies agree

>>214318357 (OP)
>Mobility swap station
Kek
I used to work maintenance for a grocery store chain. Even in nice areas pavement apes would ride the things a mile home and then dump them in a ditch just because they were too lazy to walk.

>>214318598
>meanwhile in reality

>>214319142
retarded leftists don't even want to send female criminals to jail in the first place
>>214319150
good post

>>214318602
What are the red things? Chopped up birds?

>>214319150
>>214319168
They're not "making up" the conclusion. You guys have literally no basis for thinking that other than privileging your own ideological positions over any data.

Of course had the data affirmed your belief then you would drop this nonsense and all the crap about propaganda would be left at the way side. You're trying to create a standard where literally no opposition can draw on any data whatsoever while you're free to reference studies if you want and disregard them if they oppose you.

>>214319195
>don't even want to send female criminals to jail in the first place
Rightfully so, but since that's still a thing, then female criminals deserve restorative justices. They are less violent than male criminals and more likely to fit back into society once their aggravations have been addressed. Who is she a threat to, some abusive man who won't keep his hands to himself? I say Jim, he has it coming.

>>214318357 (OP)
>someone rapes, robs, assaults, and murders people
>no punishment
That thinking is why it's impossible to lock up a career criminal now.

>>214319240
go to any forum where teachers post and every single one will tell you restorative justice doesn't work
the studies are intentionally fake
>>214319242
good bait

>>214319265
Why would I accept literal forum posts from teachers as proof?
>the studies are intentionally fake
Okay what about the older studies that indicated RJ had a negligible impact on recidivism. Were they accurate? Why weren't they also a type of propaganda study?

>>214318788
>>214318894

Not speaking for Americans, but this is a thing in Austria.
Our old phone booths have been turned into free libraries, where you can just take books you want or leave some there.
I’ve seen this in Vienna, and even in my little shit hometown with 2,000 people.

>>214319287
On top of this, the latest study mentioned on wikipedia showed that recidivism was only lowered by RJ for non violent crime.

If it was propaganda, why wouldn't they also argue that it applies to violent crime when this clearly exposes a weak point for RJ?

>>214318789
If you want this there is nothing stopping you from getting 500 people together and pooling your resources to try and build your own little socialist co-op housing dream. But the reality is you won't do that because it requires hard work, cooperation, and people with useful skillsets. Instead you want the state to provide this for you by stripping assets from people who are actually productive.

>>214319325
Actually zoning laws and regulations make this impossible

>>214319314
>latest study mentioned on wikipedia
Youre a fucking joke.thats lazy ass trolling.