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Anonymous No.214340771 >>214341200 >>214341220 >>214341398 >>214341761 >>214342105 >>214342413 >>214342518 >>214343144 >>214343481 >>214343553 >>214343783
Let's say Ridley Scott died today.
What's his legacy?
Anonymous No.214340789 >>214340804
Blade Runner and Legend
Anonymous No.214340796
A couple good films and then 40 years of shit.
Anonymous No.214340804 >>214340820 >>214343636
>>214340789
and Gladiator
Anonymous No.214340805
he looks like he has another twenty years, i dont understand his health
Anonymous No.214340820 >>214340833
>>214340804
gladiator is shit, didn't he do the hunger, that was cool
Anonymous No.214340833
>>214340820
oh you're retarded
Anonymous No.214340855
A few classic kinos but overstayed his welcome and Tony was better
Anonymous No.214340965
That shitty grimdark Robin Hood
Anonymous No.214341157
three great films at the beginning of his career and then mostly slop
Anonymous No.214341200
>>214340771 (OP)
flop machine outside of alien
Anonymous No.214341219
I just finished watching White Squall
it was alright
Anonymous No.214341220
>>214340771 (OP)
His cut of Kingdom of Heaven is perfect.
Anonymous No.214341239
Anonymous No.214341257 >>214341490
Her
Anonymous No.214341264
BR, alien, apple ad
Anonymous No.214341348 >>214341387 >>214341460
great
>Alien
>Blade Runner
>The Duellists

good
>Thelma and Louise
>American Gangster
>Gladiator (overrated tho)

decent
>Black Rain
>Black Hawk Down
>Legend
>Matchstick Men
>Kingdom of Heaven
>The Martian
>The Last Duel

slop
>everything else
Anonymous No.214341387
>>214341348
objectively factual post
Anonymous No.214341398
>>214340771 (OP)
Let's say YOU died today, asshole. How about that?
Anonymous No.214341427
Nothing but garbage since Blackhawk Down
Keeps getting worse somehow
Anonymous No.214341460 >>214341499
>>214341348
>American Gangster
Tried watching it and I remember having a very boring direction, nothing like the trailer, it seemed like a direct for TV movie, so I stopped it not even halfway in, reminded me of Miami vice (the movie)
Anonymous No.214341490 >>214342406
>>214341257
Yikes
Anonymous No.214341499 >>214342109
>>214341460
the beginning is a bit unfocused but once the threads start coming together it gets pretty good
Anonymous No.214341761 >>214342109
>>214340771 (OP)
Making several of the best movies ever made, and having a large amount of his career hampered by Hollywood being absolute shitters.
Anonymous No.214342105
>>214340771 (OP)
Unfulfilled potential. We saw what he could achieve with Alien, Blade Runner and Gladiator. It makes sequels and some of these other big name projects that much more disappointing when they become bloated nonsense.
Anonymous No.214342109 >>214342279
>>214341499
I'll try watching it again
>>214341761
How is Gladiator 2 quality not his fault but Hollywood instead?
Anonymous No.214342124
blade runner
Anonymous No.214342279 >>214342348 >>214342390
>>214342109
Making a movie is fucking complicated. There are all sorts of regulations from producers behind the scenes, the people funding the pictures, that determines what gets funded.
Because of unions, decision making on set about what gets shot doesn't come straight from the director, it comes from Ridley, and then gets filtered through the camera crew, and several other entities.
No director working today has total freedom and artistic control.
Ridley obviously has a great eye and a great directorial sense, you can see this in his early movies.
And you can see it in his later works.

But basically everyone wants their cut. Everyone wants their money.
So the process of making movies gets bloated to oblivion and the quality goes down.
Anonymous No.214342348 >>214342559
>>214342279
But has he complained that the movies he made do not represent the product he envisioned?
Maybe he should try making a smaller movie to retain more control.
Anonymous No.214342390
>>214342279
Is this one of those prophecy threads again?
Anonymous No.214342406
>>214341490
Why didn't you just post Peter Lorre instead of that cartoon version lol
Anonymous No.214342413
>>214340771 (OP)
Is this one of those prophecy threads again?
Anonymous No.214342518
>>214340771 (OP)
Of the ones I've seen...
Great:
>Alien
>The Duellists
>Blade Runner
>Gladiator
>Black Hawk Down
Good:
>Legend
>Black Rain
>White Squall
>American Gangster
Meh:
>Body of Lies
>Kingdom of Heaven
>Hannibal
>GI Jane
Bad:
>Prometheus
>The Counselor
Anonymous No.214342559
>>214342348
Yes actually.
I'm kinda referring to the Alien: Covenant director's commentary which I just watched a few weeks ago.
He talks about how he used to operate the camera himself on his films, to get exactly what he wanted, and how he's no longer allowed to do that because of unions.
He probably could go outside the studio system and make stuff himself, but then Hollywood would sic the movie critic system on him to call stuff he makes outside of the Hollywood system shit, regardless of its actual quality, like they did with people like David Lynch.

Ridley did actually direct (2 episodes of), creatively influence (seems to have been a big factor in the writing/conception), and produce Raised By Wolves, which to me proves he's definitely still got it. It's one of the best things produced for TV in the past 20 years, and that basically was a smaller production.
It was still very obviously restrained by DEI in terms of the writing (even when it made no fucking sense for the story - basically a space colony with diversity, instead of physical and mental fitness of the colonists as a priority), and he probably had to play ball there to get the thing produced. HBO being the network.
But even despite its obvious back-room restrictions it was still one of the best/smartest things for TV in the last 20 years.
And then it was fucking cancelled, probably because it was too good.
Anonymous No.214343013 >>214343037
No one has recommended The Counselor...staring Michael Fassbender, Javier Bardem, Cameron Diaz, Brad Pitt, and Penelope Cruz....

A fabulous movie you can watch over and over again and gain new meaning & nuance.

The Counselor is streaming over on Disney + at the moment....go see it if you can...great stuff and full of meaning. (I like Prometheus just fine also)
Anonymous No.214343037 >>214343161
>>214343013
word of mouth isnt' the same as it was
Anonymous No.214343144 >>214344422
>>214340771 (OP)
But Ridley Scott didn't die today
Anonymous No.214343161 >>214343275 >>214343317
>>214343037 Re Word of Mouth, maybe not...but I remain pissed off that Mr Scott took the cowards way out with the Covenant....and not let Shaw go discover the Nature and Reality of God...which is where she and David was going....Now THAT would have been a real journey movie.
Anonymous No.214343183 >>214343519
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ML50I0mVHY
Anonymous No.214343275
>>214343161 Let me append myself a little...Having Shaw and David going to find God...would have been, Difficult, a true Challenge for Mr Scott's occasional genius...I have no idea what he would have come up with....but to just make another Alien movie....in place of the promised search for God...was either a terrible (cowardly) decision on his part or...no one would give him the money to honestly make a movie and finding God (who knows what that would have been).
Anonymous No.214343317
>>214343161
Idk. I see it as a really complicated issue.
Alien is (or was at the time, in 2018) something both FOX and fans had a lot of say in, for better and worse.
Let's not forget to factor in "fandom" pressure as a factor.
I feel Ridley managed to say something incredible with Raised By Wolves, which carried a lot of the same ideas. I mean I can't be sure exactly how creatively involved he was, but it's such a beautifully high concept show, and subtly optimistic.
I got a lot out of it personally.

I couldn't call Ridley a coward for Alien: Covenant. It's underrated.
Anonymous No.214343367
If only Ridley could know how much he's done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r61QGi6C2Cc
Anonymous No.214343445 >>214343484
No one will care about his shitty filler movies when he's dead. He has secured his legacy as one of the greats, not best though, with Blade Runner and Alien. People will watch his movies until the medium becomes obsolete.
Anonymous No.214343481
>>214340771 (OP)
The biggest fall from grace any artist has ever seen. He should have stopped making movies after Kingdom, maybe after Robin Hood.
Anonymous No.214343484
>>214343445
He has a lot more great movies than just Bladerunner and Alien.
Although I think sci-fi tends to get favored by people because we all want to be in cool futures already.
Anonymous No.214343519 >>214343726
>>214343183 Thank you for the Link for the Counselor Trailer...the 1,118 Comments under the Youtube trailer seem to have appreciated the movie quite a bit.

Re Ridley being a coward...I did not mean this in reference to the movie Alien, but rather in his failure to follow up Prometheus....I understand that some people were happy with Covenant...but maybe because I was so deeply involved with Prometheus, the follow up with Covenant could never work for me.

I found Alien: Romulus to be pretty good.
Anonymous No.214343553
>>214340771 (OP)
who
Anonymous No.214343636
>>214340804
Kingdom of Heaven
Anonymous No.214343726 >>214344240
>>214343519
I probably would have loved a real follow up to Prometheus and its themes personally
but ... maybe there is something about the nature of God that is expressed in Alien: Covenant. Even though it was unplanned and unsatisfying to Ridley.
I feel like there's something in Covenant from Ridley, maybe something he didn't even intend, about the nature of sequels and giving people what they want vs. giving people something new.

idk. I can't put words on these thoughts well. I'm having a little wine.
The intro to Covenant was cool.
Have a pic from one of my favorite artists Johfra Bosschart
Anonymous No.214343783
>>214340771 (OP)
Alien, Blade Runner, Gladiator, Hannibal, Black Hawk Down, Kingdom of Heaven DC.
I also have a soft spot for Hannibal. It was never going to be as great as SotL, but totally worth watching for Oldman and the final scene with Ray Liotta eating his own brain.
Anonymous No.214343878
I'll be damned...I never saw or knew that Ridley did Hannibal. Hummmm....I may have to go out of my way to see this....which is certainly different than the quasi-religious image above...
Anonymous No.214343980
My family liked House of Gucci
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGi3Bgn7U5U
Anonymous No.214344240
>>214343726
>I feel like there's something in Covenant from Ridley, maybe something he didn't even intend, about the nature of sequels and giving people what they want vs. giving people something new.
Let me just add to this.
We're in a weird moment in history, where I think we've reached a point where we're on the cusp of actually achieving all these sci-fi dreams from history. AI which, if not conscious is more complex than humans (we have news stories about AI solving mathematical equations humans have never been able to solve, and inventing languages to talk to themselves with, which humans can't interpret). We frankly have the technology to create all kinds of insanity with genetic engineering: chimera creatures, superhuman designer babies, editing diseases out of the human genome, or creating new malformed creatures out of sadomasochistic impulse. Nanotechnology, and all of its attendant apocalypse scenarios...
I read an insane conspiracy theory once about how quantum computer graphics cards and spacecraft engines of the future will essentially be the same - future spacecraft will essentially "render" where they want to go, like rendering CGI.
Raised By Wolves touched on a lot of these.

But basically: we're at this weird moment in history where all of the really interesting scientific advancements we *could* do are now beyond the pale when it comes to considerations of common morality and ethics.
So maybe God himself is concerned about wanting to advance human history forward into strange and futuristic territory.
Not that I would presume to know the mind of God, but
I've seen an eastern angle on things that the collective of humanity constitutes the mind of "God".

Which is to say maybe Alien: Covenant is what God wanted to say, being a product between Ridley Scott's desires and the desires of the mass audience.
David does essentially win, and the ending of the film leaves things open for exploring new territory, psychically.
Anonymous No.214344254
Prometheus
Anonymous No.214344422
>>214343144
How was your breakfast this morning?
Anonymous No.214345073
suddenly realizing I'm not ok with thinking about Ridley Scott dying
Anonymous No.214346366
wish i could talk to Ridley
it's such a fucking long shot, but i wish I could