Thread 214355382

Did he ever feel any remorse for killing all those people?

>>214355382 (OP)
these movies are made for kids. don't think, just buy toys, lil Jimmy

>>214355382 (OP)
He was just following orders.

>>214355382 (OP)
>starslop
grow up

fascists aren't people

>>214355382 (OP)
Nazis are not people.

>>214355382 (OP)
They were CIS wh*te males so no

USA killed something like 200k civilians in the Iraq war and nobody seems to care. Israel is doing a genocide right now and....... nobody seem to care. I really doubt people change much just because it's a space war.

>>214355382 (OP)
he was fighting a war, they were trying to kill him and all his allies

Those were people? I thought they were robots.

>>214355488
>USA killed something like 200k civilians in the Iraq war
Literal massacres or collateral damage?

>Israel is doing a genocide right now
Hamas could surrender today and Israel would have no just reason for bombing the place where the enemy combatants live

>>214355382 (OP)
After the Death Star just massacred billions and was about to do it again? Why?

>>214355488
>Israel is doing a genocide right now and....... nobody seem to care.
>t.

Darth Vader's redemption doesn't work in a world where Christianity doesn't exist.

The reason why we are able to have our sins forgiven is because Jesus spilled his own blood to cover our transgressions, as long as we repent.

Vader may regret the atrocities he commited, but he cannot atone for his murders on his own, he cannot redeem himself just by saying "sorry". That's like committing genocide, and at your trial you say "sorry" to the judge. Is the judge going to let you go scott free?

No, that is why Vader needs to believe in the Son of God so that JEHOVAH can extend his mercy upon him.

>>214355524
who are you guys trying to convince at this point? yourselves i guess lol i hope you get paid by the post

>>214355488
>Israel is doing a genocide right now

Why do palestinians care if they're supposed to go to heaven with 72 virgins when they die?

>>214355382 (OP)
The death star just blew up a whole planet filled with civilians and shit. In comparison, the death star is purely a military battlestation.

Do you think there might have been any children on the death star when it blew up? I mean it was the size of the moon and the storm troopers weren't clones they probably had families. There were women on board too, chances are atleast one of them got knocked up on the death star. I'm just gonna say it Luke probably killed atleast a handful of children.

>>214355406
Actually when it came out there were no toys, and it took a year for toys to start tricking out.

>>214355557
Yeah, nobody cares except for very few mohamedan homosexuals from western colleges

>>214355604
>implying the empire would allow wives and children of stormtroopers to live on the death star, their most valuable military asset

>>214355604
Definitely in legends lore

>>214355654
The gaslighting doesn't work anymore moshe.

>>214355382 (OP)
Live by the blaster, die by the blaster

>>214355559
That was actually one of the things that ruined the prequels. Once they dropped the mystical/religious stuff for things like mediclorians, it took away what made the OT special.

>>214355488
You triggered the IDF

>>214355437
>>214355459
>>214355472
I'm glad that you are going to die unloved and alone

>>214355685
Prayers to Allah apparently also don't work.

All the lights are the Empire's heads floating in the sky.

>>214355873
I am married. It is usually socialist faggots who are unloved virgins with state's cock rammed down their throats.

>>214355559
>Darth Vader's redemption doesn't work in a world without desert bullshit
Lmao sure.
>our transgressions
I never sinned in my life.

>>214355382 (OP)
>all those military servicemen?
>on this military vessel of mass destruction?
>serving the regime that murdered my uncle and his wife?
>who just butchered billions of innocents on Alderaan?
>and now want to murder every single one of my friends?
>and they just killed my buddy Ben Kenobi like 2 days ago?
>yeah, i... uuuuuhhh.... am really sorry for them, i guess.
What do you think

>>214355961
>I never sinned in my life.
What's your BMI?

>>214355488
you know that the most funny thing is. Western liberals care more than other muslims, making them the ultimate cucks.

>>214355988
Exactly what I want it to be. What does your desert demon says about 'BMI' in your desert bullshit book?

>>214355961
Yes you do. We all fall short of the glory of God. That is why Jesus came. To take upon himself the wrath of his Father that we deserve. But if we reject him, then we will undergo the everlasting punishment that we merit.

Since none of this exists in the Star Wars universe, Vader must receive the penalty: everlasting death.

>>214355661
You don't think the largest space craft in the entire galaxy would have more than one use? It could've been used as some kinda of ferry or a repair station for smaller imperial ships. Just saying, there were more thqn likely a couple ofnkids in board at the very least.

>>214356108
>Just saying, there were more thqn likely a couple ofnkids in board at the very least.
Who the fuck cares, anon. If you take a kid on a aircraft carrier while it goes on combat mission, ifs your fucking fault if it dies. How do you think this works? The empire giving Yavin a call like "Yeah, we want to murder you all, but please dont fight back :))) "

>>214356032
>Exactly what I want it to be.
Gluttony is a sin, fatty.

>>214356079
>Yes you do
No, I don't. Nice subscriptions racket your desert demon runs there.

>>214356175
Damn bro, I cannot wait to end up in your totally real hell according to your fantasy jewish beliefs.

>>214356390
>confirmed fat
kek

>>214355382 (OP)
They destroyed the entire planet

>>214355815
>Once they dropped the mystical/religious stuff for things like mediclorians
They never dropped "mystical/religious stuff" in the prequels, you mouth-breathing retard

>>214355382 (OP)
I dont know, did american soldiers feel bad destroying the Yamato in WW2?

>>214356414
>confirmed desert swarthoid
Oof.

>>214355472
>They were CIS wh*te males
Actually the remnants of the CIS were with the rebels

How is Israel committing a genocide?

No... because they were going to blow up Yavin 4 like a minute later when the laser got in range.

>>214355382 (OP)
I know i wouldnt. Get fucked

>>214357135
killing them makes you just as bad as them.

>>214357272
why would i give a fuck. I wage war to win, not to get a morality award.

>>214357272
Never stopped any war in the history of humanity. Im not going to start.

>>214355532
If I was teleported to the Galaxy far far away right now, I'd definitely be racist against human females

Did Tarkin feel bad after eradicating 2 billion Alderaanians about 9 hours earlier?

>>214355382 (OP)
Of course not. If it had been an immoral act, The Force wouldn't have worked in the first place.

>>214357374
What species would your alien wife be?

Why wasn't he fast enough to rescue her?

>>214357619
Twi'lek, Chiss or Togruta

>>214355419
So were they. Think about all the government contractors who were just there to clean the shitters and hose out storm trooper armor?

>>214358123
So are the brits supposed to be sad about the fag cleaning toilets on the Bismark, right after they sunk the Hood?

>>214358123
How is that my problem again? Shouldnt have taken a job at the military. Should have stayed home. Rest in piss.

>>214357697
>this one picture is better than anything that Disney has presented since 2012
How did this happen?

>Somehow, Darth Vader returned
>Somehow, the Death Star returned
>Somehow, The Empire struck back

>>214357272
maybe i am a demon

>>214355382 (OP)
>jUsT kIlL yUr dAD bRo

Yoda & Ben were real bastards, and Luke rejects them too in the Throne Room.

>>214355382 (OP)
The first thing you do in conflict is dehumanize your opponent; they're either too evil to let live or too destructive to remain in society. You can see it in our current political climate right now. Both sides dehumanize each other to absurd degrees, it's like children arguing on the playground most of the time... it's embarrassing to witness.

>>214358388
Darth Vader wasn't Luke's dad and the emphasis on their genetic relationship as their primary motivations ruins their respective characters.

>>214358171
>>214358224
>hasn't seen Clerks
fucking zoomers I swear

>>214358507
So Uncle Owen was his daddy? He sure got over his dad's death pretty quickly. And Aunt Beru's rape and murder too

>>214355382 (OP)
I've never heard it addressed. Probably not in the short term. But in the long term he became a recluse drinking green tiddy milk and getting beat up by untrained girls, so possibly.

>>214357016
>>214355472
They were not CIS/former CIS, most Imperials were humans from core worlds, and there was anti-alien sentiment in imperial institutions, hence why most of the imperials we see are human. The rebels deliberately didn't work with CIS remnants because of the separatist associations, they were an alliance to restore the republic and didn't want to taint it with separatism, and the bad reputation of the CIS.

>>214355488
It's a star wars thread so this is fiction, da jewz can't hurt you here, glad I could help lil buddy

>>214355382 (OP)
>Jedi
>feel
Those sociopaths never mourn those they murder. Loss and the grief one feels at it is the realm the Sith inhabit.

>>214355604
>I'm just gonna say it Luke probably killed atleast a handful of children.
like dad, like son

>>214358554
Yeah, that shit was weird. I mean his reminscing against the sunset is the best shot in the entire franchise, but it was kinda weird he never even references them later as he matures.
Whatever. It's a poorly written, stitched together trilogy with the illusion of continuity and character development.

>>214358565
>But in the long term he became a recluse drinking green tiddy milk and getting beat up by untrained girls
Anon, disney fan fiction isnt canon

>>214357697
his Force Speed (TM) was on cooldown

>>214358641
Look anon I obviously also prefer the version where he married a smoking hot redhead and fights a hot bitch with a lightsaber whip. But in the long run, nobody will remember or care about that material.

>>214358733
>>214358641
You're both kind of right. It's true that the EU doesn't matter anymore outside of pretending that it's more like an alternate timeline. But the way the fanbase instantly forgot about the sequel trilogy and majorly pretends that it never happened shouldn't be ignored either. The Disney execs must know about the sentiment among fans, otherwise they wouldn't completely ignore the sequels for the last 5 years and wouldn't "delay indefinitely" the Rey solo movie. Delayed indefinitely is a corpospeak for cancelled when they don't want to outright say it.

I rewatched ANH the other night, the de-mastered version.

It is a good movie. Not really much beyond that. Star Wars became this big as a franchise 100% because of Lucas' insanely whorish marketing and due to the video games.

>>214358665
>h-he's fast!

I wouldn't feel guilty in Luke's place. The Death Star was going to destroy Yavin VI and everyone on it. Negotiating with the empire was not possible. Surrender would not spare the lives of the people on Yavin IV. They did not have enough time to evacuate before the Death Star appeared. The Empire had already destroyed a planet full of innocent people for no other reason than to punish political dissent from the planet's leadership and to demonstrate their ruthlessness. Thus we can safely assume the rebels had every right to feel their destruction was immanent, and that if they did nothing they would all perish much the same way the people of Alderaan did. So their choices were clearly two main options: first, they could do nothing and meekly accept annihilation. Second, they could resist and try to prevent their destruction by incapacitating the death star, or destroying it. The death star was a fortress filled with imperial soldiers and bristling with weapons, and despite having the plans to the death star the rebels could find only one weakness in its defenses which if exploited would cause the entire station to explode.

Therefore the only way to survive was to destroy their enemies in turn. Perhaps a pacifist would've been content to simply let the empire destroy him instead of destroying in order to survive, but Luke was not a pacifist and neither am I. I will kill if doing so will preserve my life.

Now, even given all of this above, Luke was not the one who made the decision to destroy the death star and condemn its millions of staff and garrison soldiers to death. That decision was made by the rebels' leadership, without consulting Luke's opinion on the matter, and he was simply handed orders for the ensuing battle for all of their lives. During the course of the battle, it was pure chance (or Force destiny w/e) that led to Luke being the one to take the fatal shot that destroyed the death star and everyone in it. If not him, another might've done it.

>>214358873
This happened with the prequels as well though. Boomers rejected them, but children attached to the supplemental material, which kept the franchise profitable. The issue is nobody under like 40 is emotionally attached to the EU. So it's completely dead, while the sequel era is just undesirable. Right now they're trying to pivot people onto new settings in the universe, like kotor did with video games in the 2000's.

>>214355524
>Literal massacres or collateral damage?
Collateral damage. The initial military campaign in Iraq was a massive carpet bombing campaign that totally destroyed the Iraqi military, along with a lot of Iraq's civilian infrastructure, and the civilians along with it. Those who did not die in the immediate carnage died from the shortages of food, water, and medical treatment that followed.

The Last Jedi was a shitty movie, but a natural progression for Luke Skywalker's character. People who thought he was going to be some wise sage who rode off into the sunset are political idealists who missed 100% of the subtext of Return of the Jedi.

>>214359161
>Right now they're trying to pivot people onto new settings in the universe, like kotor
Because at least the prequels had some interesting ideas even though those ideas were presented in shitty, cringy way with Lucas being an autist who can't write actual human dialogue and doesn't understand the flow of a dialogue. And at least the prequels had a vision and creativity behind it. Meanwhile, the sequel trilogy is a bonafire atrocity with nothing memorable about it, it doesn't even have a good meme collection except "REEEEEY", "Somehow Palpatine returned" and "They fly now". And even then, those memes only exist to remind people of how shitty the sequels were.

>>214358388
I really don't get the latter angle that the Jedi were always doing the right thing when the original trilogy ended with everything going well because Luke listens to literally none of the other force users in 6

>>214358873
When Disney bought Star Wars there was no danger of the franchise losing relevance because Lucas had done such a good job marketing to kids. Namely, to boys. With the prequels and video games in the early 00s Lucas had purchased another 20 or so years of cultural clout for Star Wars and another crop of lifelong fans. Lucas was content to mainly target men and boys because they had proven over decades to be loyal and lucrative supporters. Disney, however, saw these lifelong supporters and the appeal to young boys as baked-in and not something they had to actively maintain or work for. They took it for granted that they had the male audience, and believed they could do whatever they wanted to the franchise to win over girls without scaring men and boys off the reservation.

So now Star Wars has a problem that Lucas had solved 20 years ago: it's no longer appealing to kids, not even boys, who were its mainstay 20 years ago. Far from growing the audience, Disney has caused the future of Star Wars to be uncertain. They have no crop of boys who will grow into lifelong fans. In 20 years there might not be any more fans of Star Wars than there are right now, in fact there might be less.

Disney's main concern right now is how to win back kids, and that means how to win back boys. But Disney does not have a good track record with winning a male audience. That is the whole reason they bought Star Wars in the first place.

>>214359489
Not really sure it's one way or the other. On the one hand, the Jedi got fucked by doing what they were doing, on the other Luke sells out his friends and the population of the galaxy for the chance at... redeeming some random mass murderer... huh? Then he just kind of acts like a detached weirdo staring at his imaginary "friends" and seems unable to relate to his actual friends and celebrate their victory (emphasis on theirs, because he did nothing) the same way he did in A New Hope.
Call me crazy but I get the impression that using the force at all while simultaneously gaining power and celebrity just turns you into a creepy asshole, regardless of which side of the cult you fall on.

>>214359526
The leftist woke Disney execs seem to miss how boys and girls work entirely. They want SW to appeal to girls, but they either too ideologically compromised or just plain stupid to realize that the core audience for SW will always be boys, and those girls that the universe appeals to would've become fans in any case. It's just simple reality that boys and girls tend to connect with different things and even though some girls like Star Wars, but the core audience is male and will always be male. Ironically, by alienating their core male audience, Disney also risk alienating that female minority of fans who are fans of the universe without being pandered to.

>>214359829
The goal was to demoralize boys and take away their heroic cultural icons

>>214355382 (OP)
>>214358577
He didn't like that he caused so much death, but knows that it had to be done.
Luke, at least in the EU, is pretty pragmatic about killing: redeem those you can, but eliminate any that would threaten innocents.

>>214359438
I like the prequel setting and think the story is good, just executed poorly on screen. Lucas got to overindulge himself and be an eccentric billionaire. And the feature film trilogy format didn't line up with the scope of the story. But he's a boomer so it's all he knew and the big miniseries format hadn't taken off yet. I agree the sequels suck and there's no potential there. Nobody's ever going to give a fuck about Rey. But they're not going to scrap that setting over it. If anything they will just leave it alone until they make something people like in that era and it gets the ahsoka tano treatment.

>>214358388
The point is they were wrong, and it's why Luke is a better Jedi than them

>>214359829
Birth control is hormone replacement. They've been trannifying women for generations.

>>214355532
But the racism possibilities are so endless

>>214360240
Every thread is eventually troon fetishists trying to make the unrelated topic about trannies lmao

>>214355382 (OP)
they were evil so they deserved to die.
simple as.

>>214355382 (OP)
"People" erm those were fascists sweetheat.

>>214360132
>I like the prequel setting and think the story is good, just executed poorly on screen
I've recently rewatched some of the prequel scenes and have come to the same conclusion. It could've been a truly brilliantly made story in the hands of a solid, competent director and a good screenwriter. Unfortunately, Lucas is infamous for being an idea guy, not the execution guy and has to be checked constantly by people who surround him, he can't be left to be surrounded by yes-men which was what happened with the prequels.
I'd kill to see the prequels story as an Andor-style political thriller.
>>214360254
But the racism possibilities are so endless
Human females...uh, disgusting - said the male human.

>>214358123
The Clerks cartoon has this argument.

>>214360289
Chudwin's Law.

>>214355382 (OP)
I swear to God, in the very first Battlefront II trailer, there was a scene of the Stormtrooper lady pointing a gun at Luke and yelling at him that a million people died on the Death Star. Luke just solemnly said 'I know'.
Luke is connected to life, and a compassionate person. The weight of what he did was terrible, but he chose to take that weight to prevent greater loss.

>>214361203
>million people died on the Death Star
what did they eat?

>>214355524
>where the enemy combatants live
Like the entire strip? Kek

>>214355459
I agree! national socialists are not people and neither are any other type of socialist. have a nice day!

>>214355988
28.5, you?

>>214361242
Your mom's fat pussy

>>214355382 (OP)
>oh no not the evil imperials manning that station designed to kill entire planets that has already blown one up!
Nah, casualties of war.

>>214358636
Lucas never envisioned Vader to be Luke's father or Leia to be Luke's sibling. Leia kissing Luke proves it. Lucas later made it as such because he was subverting expectations and also desperately trying to make SW more profound and grown up. He didn't want to be only remembered as a peddler of children's toys.

>>214358282
The power of one person with passion.

>>214355532
I'm racist against so many of them. I hate those seafood looking people, the aliens from the trade federation, the whole jarjar race, the hutts, the Jewish slave owner mosquitoes, the jedi with dreadlocks...

>>214355382 (OP)
It was legal, therefore okay.

>>214355382 (OP)
Probably. He’s a pretty nice guy. But better them than the millions and maybe trillions they would have killed with the Death Star over time.