Thread 214384126

Turns out Mary Sue characters are fine when they're actually doing cool shit. Someone want to tell Hollywood?

Donnie's a good fighter/martial artist but all his films where he has a starring role, are awful.

Only IP man 1 is good. 2 and 3 are just more of the same

>>214385088
I love Ip Man 2 because it was a kung fu remake of Rocky IV

>>214385088
Ip man 3 is my favorite ngl.
The scene where Max Zhang is challenging Ip man and the news is going crazy and it cuts to just him dancing the chachacha with his wife is kino and cute.

Ip Man 4 is the one that is clearly below the level of the others but Scott Adkins vs Ip Man might be the best fight of the series

>>214384126 (OP)
Turns out that when a nigga can do stunt work you don’t really care about the script.

>>214385373
Is that the anti-US propaganda one where ip man beats up blonde cheerleaders?

>>214385401
Speaking of I'm so fucking jealous of the canadians. I wanna watch The Furious so fucking bad

>>214385418
That's the one. He beats racism through Wing Chun

>>214385088
I've only watched 1 and didn't like it because the MC got hit like once in the whole movie. I assumed the sequels would be better.

>>214385510
He does get hit more in those films

>>214384126 (OP)
>Intellectual Property Man 2

wow they're getting really blatent with the titles.

>>214384126 (OP)
Mary Sue characters are only a problem when the plot of the movie doesn’t revolve around them being able to solve the problems. I’m explaining this poorly, but to use a movie like Ip Man or John Wick as an example, every scene they enter is written with the expectation that they will blow through the problem. It isn’t presented as some unbeatable task that they just do. Compare this to a character like Rey in Star Wars, we’ve seen how much training is required to be skilled in the force, its taken other characters blood sweat and tears to become powerful. The challenges she faces are often presented as being exceedingly difficult tasks, especially in the context of the other movies, yet she clears every challenge first try. It lacks both the nuance to be a chosen one story, and the balls to just go huge with it.
>Inb4 Slop Wars

>>214385674
I mean Ip Man 1 does have the scene where the kung fu masters are struggling against the japanese black belt and its a challenge and they get fucked up humiliated and then shot to death and then Ip Man pops up angry and say "give me 10" and effortesly demolishes them

>>214384126 (OP)
Would Jackie Chan in Jackie Chan movies count as a Mary Stu?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgkDAzeN4Ns

>>214385763
Because Ip man is written around the character being able to solve those kinds of problems, the expectation is that he’s going to be better than almost everyone in universe. To use John Wick as another example since I already did, when 20 goons show up the movie doesn’t expect you to believe he’s being truly challenged, it wants you to revel in the choreography of how he is going to absolutely murder those dudes. I wouldn’t expect another assassin to win in the same odds, because their name isn’t in the fucking title of the movie.

>>214385540
LOL!

>>214385773
I mean in Drunken Master 1 Jackie's character has plenty of flaws and gets humiliated by the bad guy pretty bad

>>214385866
I think it's more that Ip Man challenge are actually much bigger than what he can do physically by punching someone.
Ip Man could be the greatest martial artist in the world but he can't punch the entire japanese army by himself. He starts as a rich lord hermit who lives in his ivory tower above everyone, respected by the entire community and is reduced to someone who has to have his means taken care of him because he has no idea how to do menial work. When he snaps and brutally beats the 10 karate men he feels powerless because that's nothing and his friend still is dead thanks to the japanese. He wonders what he can actually do and finally starts teaching kung fu to people so they rise their morale and whatnot
He could punch faster than everyone but when his wife gets cancer there's no Wing Chun that can save his wife.

>>214384126 (OP)
Did the real Ip Man actually beat off eleven japanese guys?

>>214386087
It's literally all fictional

>>214386082
>He could punch faster than everyone but when his wife gets cancer there's no Wing Chun that can save his wife.
There probably is, but he just couldn't punch fast enough.

>>214386082
This is the nuance part of what I said in the original post. The core challenge of the story has nothing to do with the physical conflict.

>>214386218
Except Ip Man 2 tho.
That one is just about beating the big bad evil racist man which fair enough sometimes you just need a good fight scene at the end

>>214385088
2 has the best fights.
>fish market
>tables featuring Sammo Hung
>overtly racist white devil boxer

>>214384126 (OP)
power level has nothing with being mary sue. you can have god killer-level character be not a mary sure and weak ass character be a marry sue. defining chracteristic of marry sue is to bend entire plot rules around it, the more blatant it is the more mary sure character is.

>>214384126 (OP)
You cant make a film without a mary sue

>>214384126 (OP)
Nobody outside of China watched whatever that slop is. I don't think Hollywood needs any advice on how to make slop that nobody wants to watch. They've got that locked down.

Can this be a general martial arts thread?

>>214386266
That’s the balls to go big

>>214385866
Wuxia and kungfu movies are basically Chinese superheroes. People watching it expect similar overpowered tropes.

>>214386775
>rubber poles and tinfoil sticks
You actually enjoy that slop?

>>214384126 (OP)
Donnie is mocked as notoriously stiff actor

>>214385773
Absolutely not. Jackie Chan is almost always the underdog in his movies and gets knocked around all the time.

>>214384126 (OP)
He lost to Mike Tyson though

>>214389377
I love it

There are 2 kinds of martial arts movies that are always bad.
>tons of people on multiple sides of a fight so it's impossible to keep track
>main character is perfect and doesn't need to improve or overcome

>>214386775
Just saw the miracle fighters, very fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvl9JTSzmao

>>214391756
Ditto on the second one. That's why i never liked Jet Li. I was always a Jackie Chan boy, because he always showed humor and humility.

>>214384126 (OP)
that table fight vs sammo hung is KINO

The second movie fight is pretty cool; it's almost realistic wing chun, but ofc IRL there's no way he would be able to take so many hits from a boxing champion and not get murdered. Still cool for a veiled commie propaganda film.

>>214392066
I agree with humor part, but Jet Li film also has humility. New Fist of Fury, Fearless, Taichi Master have falling or broken character as theme.

>>214384126 (OP)
Did we ever find out his IP address?

>>214393366
>realistic wing chun
no such thing. there's like a few actual martial arts from china amongst the 100s that isn't actual bullshit dance moves. that one mma chink already exposed the entirety of traditional chink martial arts and got fucking buried by china for doing so

>>214384126 (OP)
I don't think he is a mary sue.

>>214385674
This. Plot Armor and Mary Sue are different things