Thread 214421084

>add a quipping redditor to your tv show
>look him up
>he really said those things irl
wtd

>>214421084 (OP)
QRD?

Cicero always baffled me

During the civil wars he was always like
>the pen is mightier than the sword!
>muh laws
>muh senate
>muh tyranny
>if I use facts and logic I can btfo my enemies!
Meanwhile his most famous political act was becoming a dictator and executing a bunch of senators without trial. Was his own hypocrisy completely lost on him?

the Ben Shapiro of ancient Rome

>>214421106
SPQR

>>214421175
So a kike retard that held alligence to a country that despised his host country, and only argued against children and got btfo against adults

>>214421163
The more things change the more they stay the same. I hate how redditor youtube historians like historiacivilis fellate this dude.

>>214421163
A real "I must destroy the democratic process and kill my opponents in order to protect democracy from tyranny" moment.

>>214421269
>youtube historians like historiacivilis fellate this dude.

one youtube vid

>>214421163
He was a cuck and he died like one

>>214421281
So a modern day Trump

>>214421295
There is no such thing as a Trump. It is a manufactured creature to stir up left/right distraction. A future doctor just murdered an innocent white woman and you're more upset at Blumpf because he made a tweet.

>>214421295
Cute.

>>214421295
Are you saying Trump doesn't exist in the modern day

>>214421281
From what I've read of Cicero, he reserved this treatment for tyrants and was very explicit about the notion that tyrants should be killed. Of course human nature being what it is, one can easily convince oneself that all the people you're tyrannically executing are themselves tyrants.

>>214421295
Which of his opponents has drumpf killed? Which part of the democratic process did he destroy?

>>214421400
He made my trans gf have a sobbing mental breakdown and cut xirself, that's basically attempted murder

For me, it's Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus
>think you're going to make an epic stand against Caesar by hunkering down in Corfinium with 30 cohorts
>your cohorts immediately betray you and hand you over to Caesar
>Caesar pardons you
>hatch up a plan to do the very same thing in Massilia
>Caesar just bypasses you on his way to Spain
>later die at Pharsalus fighting Caesar
>but your great-great grandson will be Nero so it's okay I guess

>>214421198
That sounds nothing like Cicero.

>>214421340
I obviously meant 2016 Trump not 2024 Trump

>>214421400
>Which part of the democratic process did he destroy
abusing executive orders to do whatever he wanted to bypass the Congress, having people threatened to get kicked out of the country even actual citizens
But whatever, half the US was ok with electing someone who is objectively a criminal and that didn't get punished, is not about getting a good candidate but whoever makes the other side more mad.

>but X president did it
two wrongs don't make a right

>>214421544
>objectively a criminal
Yes goy it is illegal to be accused of working with russia and it's illegal to be accused by women of being a piss fiend

>>214421400
>Which part of the democratic process did he destroy?

bruh

>>214421163
Cicero believed you should only ever do what was morally right. Laws lay down those morals for everyone to follow, and if they don't, they deserve punishment. He believed the natural way for a human to behave was to act morally and selflessly. The problem during his lifetime was that the republic was completely fucked, and he was clinging on to the people who wanted to preserve the status quo instead of providing legitimate change. Whether Caesar and Octavian had to become absolute rulers to achieve that change is up for debate

>>214421163
More like Cisshitcero lmao

>>214421295
I think you mean the globohomo liberals like the EU, who censor and ban their opposition political parties to "protect" democracy.

>>214421084 (OP)
>>214421163
yeah cicero was the ur-libtard, whenever you hear a lib seething about "muh tyranny", "muh institutions" and "muh authoritarianism"remember that cicero did it first and gayer
>>214421295
firstly you mean an ancient trump and no, think of his as an ancient roman robert reich

>>214421544
The reps said literally the same about Obama

>>214421084 (OP)
/tv/ is a drink-sodden, sex-addled wreck board

>>214421544
Executive orders existed prior to Trump and are part of the powers given to the President.

The rest of your tantrum has nothing to do with the democratic process.

>>214421705
-me in 2016, before zion don absolutely fumbled the ball and started saying israel first like a blackmailed clown

Caesar had really bad memories of Sulla, and refused to execute any romans. He constantly forgave his enemies and they literally stabbed him in the back for it

The only reason he even marched on Rome was because corrupt senators wanted to jail him and steal his wealth right after destroying the Gauls
He was pragmatic, knew what was best for Rome and bent the rules for it. Meanwhile Cicero was too obsessed with the letter of the law, letting corrupt senators do whatever they wanted

>>214421269
>historiacivilis
Lmao he really makes romeboos mad by just stating facts

>NOOOO CAESAR DIDNT COMMIT A GENOCIDE BECAUSE HE JUST DIDNT
>NOOOOO OCTAVIAN TORTURING PRISONERS TO DEATH WAS A GOOD THING BECAUSE

>>214421163
>>214421084 (OP)
Cicero did absolutely nothing wrong, both in show and in real life. The Republic was caught out of sync when Caesar marched on Rome and the only way to mitigate the threat was to stab the tyrant dead. The democracy he had in mind was the rule of the fittest, patricians not plebeians. If you thought that Vorenus is the good guy in the show, you haven't been paying attention. It's Caesar who immediately sets to giving tribune powers to literal cutthroats, niggerifying the discourse. Then it's his adopted son that institutes proscriptions on massive scale. Cicero and Brutus were men that did what had to be done, but the ram has already touched the wall and there was no salvation for the Roman empire in the end.

Sure, Octavian was not a bad ruler in terms of fixing what his divine father fucked up, but history has proven Cicero right and within 50 years you had a tyrant such as Tiberius immediately followed by lunatics like Caligula and Nero.

>>214421176
kek

>>214421163
>>214421163
He was a pragmatist. He valued law and the republic highly but he knew that there are times when ideals need to be set aside to face reality in order to save the things he valued.
Power conflicts in history are filled with two kinds of men: those who never compromised on their morals and the winners.

>>214421084 (OP)
he was a kino guy

how high was his blood pressure in that moment?

>>214421163
you can sit back and say youre going to do everything different than your opponent but in practice people who do that tend to not know what theyre really doing, and so end up mimicking what the last guy did only worse once they get into positions of power. creativity doesnt really exist among most people, neither does vision

>>214421084 (OP)
Rome was so full of posturing and hollow charades appealing to tradition.
The concept of senators breaks down when you have too many and it just becomes about large majorities teetering to the will of personalities.

>>214421971
>Meanwhile Cicero was too obsessed with the letter of the law
only shitters do this because they dont realize rules are guidelines for shitters and if you have a brain you are supposed to maneuver around them properly

>>214422861
Wrong, Brutus and Cassius betrayed their Consul who they swore their lives to. Not only that but Brutus was pardoned by Ceasar and was almost like a Son to him. Cassius was a close friend of Ceasar who went to war with him. The reason they betrayed him was because they thought they wouldn't get a chance to rule when Ceasar became a Dictator for Life. When if they didn't do shit they could probably get a chance to rule as Ceasar was going to pacify Dalmatia and then go to Parthia to avenge Crassus and recover the missing Aquila that was taken from Crassus. During said travels the chance of Ceasar returning weren't 100% so had they waited him out they could thrive. Instead they were traitors who were properly defeated by the forces of Marcus Antonius and Caesar Octavianus which was the one who later became Augustus.

>>214424690
Why would weapons have any more effect on the volcano than laws did?

>>214421295
Democrats are the ones who openly flouted democracy by appointing their presidential candidate with no democratic process, in the name of "saving democracy" from the bad orange man.

You TDS afflicted idiots will just attach any bad thing you can think of to Trump even when it's completely at odds with reality.

ANTHONY!! VETO THE MOTION!! VETOOOO THE MOTION!!

>>214423177
So Pompey wanted Marc Anthony to get back to the senate and veto it right? Did he just send his goons out there as a farce to pretend like he'd want to stop Marc? Seems like his biggest mistake

>>214421568
The trial, the one he lost, for which he didn't get punished, of course if you ignore everything against it, is easy to say that is a conspiracy, also as an american you win the good goy award, ever year you keep sending money to Israel, my country doesn't.

>>214421163
Cicero was based. He left Marc Antony seething so bad Antony had his tongue pinned to the Rostra and never mentally recovered. Marc Antony was basically the Jonah Hill of the Triumvirate.

>>214424690
His face is prime material for a soi version.

>>214421084 (OP)
There's no evidence any of these people existed

>>214426251
This but unironically. Most of history is fake shit spun up by faggot jews.

>sulla takes power, purges politicians too ambitious to be allowed to persist, then returns power to the republic
>caesar takes power, doesn't kill anyone, tries to hold on to power and gets killed like an idiot
and sulla gets called a bad guy...

>>214421163
Cicero became a dictator through a legitimate legal process to put down an assassination plot and resigned it as expected.
Caesar became dictator for life, an (almost completely) unprecedented authoritarian power play, by exploiting the legal system, albeit for generally good reasons.
Caesar II became a dictator through outright violence and complete disregard of the law with only his personal greed in mind.
Wouldn't expect a pleb like you to understand nuance tho.

>>214421163
In the show it made it seem like he was just a lieutenant of Brutus. So he was the actual dictator and leader of rome until Augustus buttfucked him? Didn't know that.

>>214426707
The mighty Cicero, taken like a woman!

>>214421400
>Which part of the democratic process did he destroy?

>>214426707
He was a powerful politician, and was only dictator for a day during a rebellion and that was years before the show starts

And Brutus was Cicero’s underling

>>214421295
Yeah the guy who survived lawfare, an opposing party trying to take him off the ticket entirely in like 16 states, and assassinating him twice is the guy who is doing it. Dems still lose, lol.

>>214427562
Name one thing he did the president isn’t allowed to do
I wish he was half the dictator the left claims him to be

>>214421578
>>214427562
you sure showed him

>>214427562
>>214421578
>can't actually argue for their case
drumpf keeps winning

>>214421163
The appointment of a dictator to solve a crisis was the senate acknowledging that all conventional political methods of dealing with the crisis had failed. In that case, they failed because a bunch of Roman politicians were in on the conspiracy. They were rich and well-connected through all levels of society, they'd be able to buy their way out of any trouble they found themselves in. Cicero was appointed dictator by the majority to put an end to it by the most expedient means and that's just what he did.
A bunch of people cried, Wojak-like, then and apparently now, about him killing a bunch of senators without trial and how it wasn't properly Roman, but shrugged their shoulders and asked "what can you do?" about the endemic corruption at the core of Roman politics that was rotting society from the inside out - which perfectly sums up that whole period that led to the downfall of the Republic at the hands of two Caesars.

>>214427629
He's broken dozens of laws. But they spent the last decade stacking the courts including the supreme court, and radicalizing the republicans to kiss his feet as Dear Leader so no one will actually enforce the laws. He's already set on destroying any future votes, but you'll just say calmly wait 2-4 years and see! When by then of course it will be far too late. Unlike the hysteria you generated about Obama and Biden which was obviously fake and used to just telegraph your actual future moves.

>>214427908
yeah the 2020 elections were SO legitimate

>>214427908
Trump actually cucked by choosing lame justices like Conney Barret. Need more Scalias & Kavanaughs.
Fortunately, RBG's hubris was punished and she didn't resign pre-2016

>>214427908
your side must be really unpopular to lose popularity contest to him.

>>214421285
>>214422142
>defending the romaboo who destroyed his whole channel with commie bullshit
yikes

>>214428098
Qrd? I like him

>>214428098
>makes a video breaking down just how badly wageslaves have been fucked over by the industrial revolution
>"commie bullshit"

>Let's assassinate this man who is extremely popular with the military and civilians.
>Let's also leave all of his closest allies and family members alive.
Not the smartest move.

>>214421175
not really
maybe if ben held office

>>214421295
but without the retarded tariffs

>>214421431
Nero was a bellend tho

>>214422861
Caligula was not a lunatic, you retard. You should stick to what you know because your entire post is just stupid.

>>214421163
Roman dictatorship WAS LEGAL in every sense of the word, you pleb; well, before Caesar. It was a legitimate legal-political institution of the Republic.

>>214428246
Cicero called the Liberatores retards for not killing Antony

>>214421163
Almost like people who wish for dominion are full of shit or something

>>214428246
>>214428478
Pretty much everyone who was making decisions at that time had lived through the purges of Sulla and didn't want to repeat them; it was not a good time for anyone but sociopaths who wanted to profit from murder.

>>214427908
>they spent the last decade stacking the courts including the supreme court
And how's that working out? That shit is normal and those judges have been almost universally faggots

>>214421084 (OP)
What are the must watch Rome kino?
I've only seen I, Claudius.

>>214428639
You're better off with books, honestly.

>>214421163
Watch a Reddit mod from r/humanism become the assistant manager of a Papa John’s and then tell me you’re still surprised

>>214428666
>Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres, quarum unam incolunt Belgae, aliam Aquitani, tertiam qui ipsorum lingua Celtae, nostra Galli appellantur. Hi omnes lingua, institutis, legibus inter se differunt. Gallos ab Aquitanis Garumna flumen, a Belgis Matrona et Sequana dividit. Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae, propterea quod a cultu atque humanitate provinciae longissime absunt, minimeque ad eos mercatores saepe commeant atque ea quae ad effeminandos animos pertinent important, proximique sunt Germanis, qui trans Rhenum incolunt, quibuscum continenter bellum gerunt. Qua de causa Helvetii quoque reliquos Gallos virtute praecedunt, quod fere cotidianis proeliis cum Germanis contendunt, cum aut suis finibus eos prohibent aut ipsi in eorum finibus bellum gerunt. Eorum una, pars, quam Gallos obtinere dictum est, initium capit a flumine Rhodano, continetur Garumna flumine, Oceano, finibus Belgarum, attingit etiam ab Sequanis et Helvetiis flumen Rhenum, vergit ad septentriones. Belgae ab extremis Galliae finibus oriuntur, pertinent ad inferiorem partem fluminis Rheni, spectant in septentrionem et orientem solem. Aquitania a Garumna flumine ad Pyrenaeos montes et eam partem Oceani quae est ad Hispaniam pertinet; spectat inter occasum solis et septentriones.
The fuck am I supposed to get out of that, Satan?

>>214428666
Gaulic fingers typed this. HBOs Rome is peak early 2000s tvino. Octavia? Mama Mia. Bro time with Pullo and Lucious? Papa pia. Fuck you

>>214421707
>cicero was the ur-libtard
Caesar was a Left wing populist, who increased rights for ethnic minorities in Rome; and sought to redistribute power from the wealthy to the plebs. Cicero was for the law, because the status quo favored the Roman aristocracy.

>>214421456
they are one and the same and if you disagree you are truly lost in retardation

>>214428666
>books
Fag.

>>214427908
>He stacked the courts
Ok, and? That is the president’s privilege
Is he allowed to do anything? Should it just be a symbolic role, waving at parades, and not having any power?

>>214428639
Caligula (the new 2023 cut). Don't worry about the other versions, you are not missing much save for a few hundred shots of pussies and dicks.

>>214421163
he was a warning to never trust those redditor "free speech but only until I have power" types (aka ALL democrats)
they are not humans and deserve no moral consideration

>>214428777
>lists all the worst parts of the show
shut up coomer.

>>214423226
You must be non-white. Germanics have always been about following the law and they have the least corrupt societies.

>>214427908
I knew your entire post was BS the moment you said
>stack le courts
That's literally what EVERYONE DOES. That's how the system works

You're just a salty leftoid. You lost, get rkt, get over it

The left are evil and degenerate so I literally don't care what Trump does to stop them. Good

>>214429069
that sounds like a giant downgrade tho

>>214429304
lmao Hitler rallied agianst 'Jewish legalism' repeatedly in his speeches and writings

>>214428325
>pretends to be retarded
>is actual high IQ chud
>falls for the first woman who shows affection to him
/ourguy/

>>214428325
For me, it's Domitian.

>>214429577
NTA but he also instituted very procedural and autistic legalisms with less room for jewish interpretation and pilpul.
And any casual glance ad Germanic history from the tribal bullshit to the HRE shit reveals an incredible amount of the stuff.

>>214428098
Americans are still mindbroken by socialism I see.

>>214421163
He was seething because his brother was a gigachad who fought with Caesar in Gaul instead of being a pussy lawyer

>>214426328
As soon as you die, your entire existence is retconned as being fake shit made up by faggot Jews.

>>214430603
>>214429304
>Germanics
The barbarians love taking credit for the successes of Prussians
They were literally nothing but warring tribes until they were unified under a Kaiser
All the “german” inventions of the 20th century came from Prussian scientists
The german work ethic and discipline was invented by Prussians
And what are they without Prussia? Nothing, they are dying out

>>214421163
Cicero was the Lincoln Project of his day

>>214426305
Damn. You got me. I guess I have to open the border again and let you and all your brown buddies in

>>214421163
He was never might over right, he was just a guy who put the institutions above all else and used whatever means he wanted to ensure the Republic’s survival. Sadly his lack of conscious after Caesar’s assassination and thinking stopping Antonius would fix everything was insanely naive. Octavian played him like a fiddle.

>>214428098
>talking about the enlightenment is “socialism”
/pol/ really should be deleted at this point

>>214423511
LOL

>>214431111
He failed at the end because, as much of a pragmatist as he was who wanted to restore the stability of the state, he was never able to accept the truth that the Roman system was fundamentally broken, rotten to the core, and needed to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up. If he had been part of the rebuilding, maybe it wouldn't have been rebuilt as a tyrant's plaything.

>>214421163
you think politicians believe what they say?

>>214430935
>They were literally nothing but warring tribes until they were unified under a Kaiser
HRE?

>>214421084 (OP)
>a woman's role always suited you best

>>214430935
You are Indian

>>214422861
The Republic was in a state of constant civil war since the Gracci you retarded mutt, it was a matter of time before another Marius or Sulla would have reinstituted the monarchy

>>214421163
>none of the replies realise this is about Catilina
holy midwits

>>214431765
Tons of them did, you didn't even read them. Ironic.

>>214431583
Gracchi, genius.

>>214431810
I just control+f do you actually read 4chan posts lmao

>>214431842
OH

>>214421163
You realize that 'dictator' was an appointment made by the senate and consuls when some one with extraordinary power was required to solve some specific problem, right? It was an institution in the Roman Republic.

>>214421544
>abuse injunctions
>get ignored in the future
Bed you made

>>214428785
yeah, liberals aren't leftists. how the fuck have you not realised this

>>214431014
“Gang violence”

>>214430935
What the fuck are you babbling about? I'm saying they wee always historically autistic about legal proceedings and that applies to old German tribes as well as the HRE.
Schizo faggot rambling about some strawman garbage. Read!

>>214421084 (OP)
Cicero was the stereotypical liberal. An insane hypocrite with mad lust for power while being deathly afraid of violence, but still capable of stabbing you in the back when you're not looking

>>214431932
You're probably better off explaining it as the temporary emergency powers the galactic senate gave Palpatine in Attack of the Clones, around here.

Good thread this

miring Cato's gainz

>>214425944
>Marc Antony was basically the Jonah Hill of the Triumvirate.

>>214421744
That's because both parties have the same underlying capitalist ideology and goals while congress long ago relinquished any pretensions of being a governing body, basically necessitating the presidency to rule by executive order in order to keep the country running. American "democracy" at this point consists of the capitalist class allowing people pick whether they want the "Woke" or "Anti-Woke" of the two pre-approved choices.

Cleo

>>214422861
>Noooooo you can't change anything
>The republic is sacred
>It doesn't matter that 99% of the population is poor
>Yes I'm part of the top 1%
>Yes I import thousands of slaves and out compete the local farmer's and then buy their land for dirt cheap once they’re bankrupt
>Yes these ex-farmer's then move into the cities, overpopulating them and causing mass violence
>Yes I use filibustering, political violence, and use every illegal trick to block any reform that could possibly endanger my wealth and political position
>Caesar is evil because he is better at politics than me and was able to enact reform even whist I tried to stop it at every point
>No Caesar is evil because the people love him and he uses it to gain more power
>Caesar is evil because he is conquering Gaul and bringing riches to his men and Rome
>Caesar is a threat to the Republic because he'll win every vote!!!
>I and other senators make him an enemy of the state, because he'd beat us in an election, this is to protect the Republic!!!

>>214438165
You're thinking of Cato the younger, Cicero was happy to compromise and reform, he just wanted the republic to continue existing.

Dio Cassius, Roman History:
Ταῦτ᾿ εἰπών, καὶ τὰ μὲν παραχρῆμα δούς τισιν αὐτῶν τὰ δ᾿ ὑποσχόμενος, μετῆλθέ τε πρὸς τοὺς ἑτέρους καὶ ἔλεξε καὶ ἐκείνοις τάδε·
2“Θαυμαστὸν μέν τι πέπονθα, ὦ τί ἂν ὀνομάσαιμι ὑμᾶς; ἄνδρας; ἀλλ᾿ οὐδὲν ἀνδρῶν ἔργον παρέχεσθε. πολίτας; ἀλλ᾿ ὅσον ἐφ᾿ ὑμῖν, ἡ πόλις ἀπόλλυται. Ῥωμαίους; ἀλλ᾿ ἐπιχειρεῖτε τὸ ὄνομα τοῦτο καταλῦσαι. οὐ μὴν ἀλλ᾿ ἔγωγε, οἵτινές ποτέ ἐστε καὶ ὁτιδήποτε χαίρετε ὀνομαζόμενοι, 3παράδοξον μέν τι πάθος πέπονθα· ὑπὲρ γὰρ τῆς πολυανθρωπίας ὑμῶν ἀεί τε πάντα ποιῶν καὶ νῦν ἐπιτιμήσειν ὑμῖν μέλλων, ἀηδῶς ὑμᾶς ὁρῶ πολλοὺς ὄντας, καὶ μᾶλλον ἂν ἠβουλόμην τοσούτους μὲν τοὺς ἑτέρους ἐκείνους, οἷς προδιείλεγμαι,1 εἶναι, ὅσοι2 ὑμεῖς ὁρᾶσθε, ὑμᾶς δὲ δὴ μάλιστα μὲν σὺν ἐκείνοις τετάχθαι, εἰ δὲ μή, μηδὲ εἶναι· 4οἵτινες οὔτε τῆς τῶν θεῶν προνοίας οὔτε τῆς τῶν προπατόρων ἐπιμελείας ἐνθυμηθέντες ἐπιθυμεῖτε πᾶν μὲν τὸ γένος ἡμῶν ἀφανίσαι καὶ θνητὸν ὄντως ποιῆσαι, πᾶν δὲ τὸ Ῥωμαίων ἔθνος φθεῖραι καὶ παῦσαι. τί μὲν γὰρ ἂν ὑπολειφθείη σπέρμα ἀνθρώπινον, ἂν τὰ αὐτὰ ὑμῖν καὶ οἱ ἄλλοι πάντες πράξωσιν; ὧν ἀρχηγοὶ γεγονότες εὐλόγως ἂν 5τὴν αἰτίαν τῆς πανωλεθρίας ἔχοιτε.3 πῶς δ᾿ οὐ, κἂν4 μηδένες ἄλλοι ζηλώσωσιν ὑμᾶς, εἰκότως ἂν καὶ δι᾿ αὐτὸ τοῦτο μισοῖσθε, ὅτι παρορᾶτέ τε ἃ μηδεὶς ἂν ἄλλος παρίδοι καὶ ἀμελεῖτε ὧν οὐδεὶς ἂν5 ἄλλος ἀμελήσειε, καὶ νόμους καὶ ἐπιτηδεύματα
τοιαῦτα ἐσφέρετε ἃ ζηλώσαντες μὲν πάντες ἂν ἀπόλοιντο, μισήσαντες δ᾿ ὑμᾶς ἂν δικαιώσειαν. 6οὐδὲ γὰρ οὐδὲ τῶν φονέων φειδόμεθα ὅτι μὴ πάντες φονεύουσιν, οὐδὲ τοὺς ἱεροσύλους ἀφίεμεν ὅ ...

When did you realize Nero was actually the good guy all along?

>>214425916
If you accept a trial as automatically legitimate you have to accept this Supreme Court and all its rulings as legitimate.

>>214431154
no, the /pol/tranny is talking about his video on work, in which H.C. details how the rights of free men were stripped from them so they could be forced to make other men rich

>>214421295
No, are you completely politically illiterate? That's describing Trump's opponents, not him.

>>214427908
Name the laws.

>>214428374
Stop drinking the Kool-Aid

Reddit is not 1% as articulate as Cicero. Or as moral.

Being a kid means idolizing rome and tou only grow up when tou realize that rome were the bad guys and carthage did nothing wromgnand that western world would have been a better place of they were the superpower instead of rome

>>214421163
the keys to power arent the same as the keys to keeping power

>>214428374
>Popular uprisings led by people claiming to be Nero
>People create a King Arthur-style prophecy that Nero will return and rule again one day
Common people clearly loved Nero, so he couldn't have been that bad. He was probably slandered by senate niggers and Christians who hated his guts.

>stays some what historically accurate in the broad strokes of the world background while making up the details in the events with a lot of diligent reasearch
>pic related starts monologuing
>WALES IS ACTVALLY THE TRVE INHERITOR OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE IN LINEAL DESCENT. IT'S WHAT WE'ER ALL ABVUT. CHECK THESE SICK ABS ON THE LORICA MVSCVLATA I'M TRVLY THE LAST ROMAN
what did the author mean by this

>>214428639
>claudius was a good boy who wanted to restore the republic honest

>>214425944
Chad Marc Antony made little snivelling cicero look like an idiot. He outmaneuvered this supposed generational political genius.

>>214422861
Currently reading the Goldworthy book on Augustus and Anthony/Cleo have now died. So far Octavian comes across as purely selfish - more power, more money, more prestige for me, me, me and basically getting by on a bit of luck after having leveraged Caesar's name and the soldiers that were loyal to him to construct a power base. Am quite curious what he does after he rules Rome without rivals to challenge him.

>>214443409
>stays some what historically accurate in the broad strokes of the world background while making up the details in the events with a lot of diligent reasearch
Not even a little bit true is it

>>214421163
>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST EXECUTE ENEMIES OF THE REPUBLIC YOU MEANIE JULIUS CAESAR DINDU NUFFIN

>>214428444
what kind of insanity is this post

>>214443409
what
isn't askelad's whole deal being a descendant of king arthur forced to be a nord*c halfbreed and tolerate them?

>>214443523
The incest was merely baseless accusations, he was rightfully insulting the useless senate by appointing his horse as a senator, and Cassius Dio is a painfully biased and unreliable source.

>>214443508
THE BITCH WANTS MY SAUSAGE

>>214437254
She was canonically ugly but had tons of money

>>214444020
>canonically ugly
she was milky-skinned and redheaded, that was enough in those days.

>>214443527
Yes, but King Arthur is called Artorius Castus in the show and was a "roman-britannian king" who was the heir of the roman empire presence on the island. It's literally the reason why Askeladd is larping as a roman with that muscle breastplate
>>214443497
talking names, years, battles etc. Period-accurate clothes etc , of course the rest is completley made up anime nonsense.

>>214445345
what

HE WAS A...
shit what was it again

>>214445421
do you need a wiki screenshot or what

>>214445483
whatever happened with the celts in england anyway, did the just mix with the saxons and now it's a half-celtic half-saxon people?

>>214445807
English people still retain a lot of pre-migration "celtic" (British) blood, yes. There are also parts of England more "celtic" than others. Like Cornwall or Cumbria.

>>214437254
>cast a white English girl to play an African queen

Oof this is problematic as f*ck.

>>214445838
>sub-Saharan centric view on Ptolemaic egyptian hellenic-syriac dynasty
bit bigoted

>>214445807
man, if only you knew how mongrolized britain actually is
they were conquered by normans, who are nordic french rape babies, after

>>214421544
But enough about Abraham Lincoln

>>214445854
but the normans didn't fuck everyone in england, the english were ruled by a norman duke.
this would be like saying the english suddenly became danish when Cnut ruled.

>>214425105
>by appointing their presidential candidate with no democratic process
Political parties can decide on their candidates however they choose. There's no law that says you have to have a primary

>>214445875
they're so mongrolized

>>214428325
literally me but the genuinely best emperor was Trajan

>>214428325
Was the final scene true or a delusion of his mind? I like to think that it genuinely happened.

coming through

>>214422142
>NOOOOO OCTAVIAN TORTURING PRISONERS TO DEATH WAS A GOOD THING BECAUSE
Yes.

>>214447431
>But we thought Turning Point USA was your enemy?

>>214450287
kiss rome's cock

>>214428325
cuck

>>214421084 (OP)
>Let me just say this out loud cause I wanna get this straight in my head. You're saying that Casear was gonna kill you and then when we got back, he was going to kill us, crown himself king and rule Rome as a tyrant. I'm right about that, right? That's correct? That's your story?
>>I swear on my mother Servilia's eternal soul that's what happend!
>The man you just killed just got declared dictator for life. He got legally elected by the people and senate of Rome. He could have fucking crowned himself. All he had to do was accept the crown from Marc Antony, but he didn't. He kept his fucking mouth shut. He did his fucking time as dictator and he did it like a man. He did two years for us. So, Brutus, you're telling me that this uncle of mine who did two years for the senate, who in two years never asked for a crown no matter how often Antony dangled it in front of him, you're telling me that now that this man was made dictator perpetuus and the senate made good on their commitment to him, HE'S JUST GONNA DECIDE OUT OF THE FUCKING BLUE TO RIP THE REPUBLIC OFF? Why don't you tell me what really happened?

>>214451827
this works