Thread 214424638

I think I missed something... Why is Amy Adams able to see the future just from learning the aliens' language?

>>214424638 (OP)
Because the linearity of time is a matter of perception, and culture and language do actually impact our perception as per the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, so the alien language itself rewires your brain allowing your consciousness to perceive timespace in a different way.

>>214424638 (OP)
It just works.

The real question is, if future is predetermined and unchangeable why the fuck the Ayy lmaos are bothering?

>>214424638 (OP)
I just remember that Abbot is Death Process honestly

>>214424683
relax lol, it's just scifi slop.

>>214424638 (OP)
Light, retracting through water, will take the shortest route to its destination. But how could light "know" where it was going? Once you understand this, you will understand Arrival. And know the future. And do nothing to change it.

>>214424638 (OP)
Because she has a Cinnamon muff.

>>214424683
>>214424765
Why did Amy decide to have a kid if the kid would die so young? And why didn't she tell Renner right away so he could decide before even trying to have a kid if she wanted to go through that?
>>214424725
If the Ayyliens could see the future, why didn't they do something different about the bomb?

>>214424638 (OP)
When you think about things in your mind you use your native language. Since different languages have different rules, people presume it affects how you interpret the world. In the past this would apply to religious texts, which had to be read in a specific language like Hebrew, Latin, Sanskrit etc. By learning the specific language and its rules, you get a more accurate understanding of the word of God.

So this hypothetical alien language, if internalised in the mind, allows people to see beyond our normal limited interpretation of the universe.

>>214424813
She was a puppet who could see the strings. She couldn't change anything.

>>214424813
>Why did Amy decide to have a kid if the kid would die so young?
it's all predetermined, she can't change anything. It's not like she views her future like a youtube video and then continues with her life normally.
There is no other choice available, she never could've changed her decisions because all of the past, present and future decisions are interconnected and experienced at the same "time". Non linear.

Basically Arrival is about how when knowing your whole life from start to finish you would find beauty and joy from the smallest bits of moments in a day which you may take now for granted (hence her daughter)
Here's an excerpt from an interview with Villeneuve to maybe clear things up for you:
>"The idea is that the heptapods see life like a [scripted] play. They know what will happen, so they have the choice — either they do it bored to death, or they embrace it and try to be at their best, like an actor on a stage."

So it's about embracing death (instead of denying it like we do) as an essential part of life and appreciating every waking moment of it.

It just seems bizarre to me that it's all predetermined, just being aware of something like a simple weather forecast is enough to let you act differently, right? You could prepare for the incoming weather, I think I just don't agree with it all being predetermined I guess.

>>214425007
it's another director misses the point of his own movies plot episode

>>214424813
It had to be that way, and not some other way.

>>214425128
Sounds like you have trouble comprehending a non linear timeline. Everything has already "happened", all the choices have already been made.
>just being aware of something like a simple weather forecast is enough to let you act differently, right?
Yes and that future choice of you hearing a weather forecast and acting according to that weather forecast has also already happened.

>>214424728
Tits or gtfo

>>214424638 (OP)
I used to rewatch this fucking masterpiece a lot. But after seeing the twist so many times, and Abott death process, it lost its luster a little bit.

>drinking coffee
>take sip
>realize Abbot is death process
>repeat infinitely for all cups of coffee past and future

>>214425198
>>214425214
Shieeeet, I see

>>214424813
I bet you couldnt comprehend Interstellar either lmao

>>214424638 (OP)
It is 2032. You're posting on the /tv/ board of 4chan. This was inevitable.

>>214425128
Because real life isn't predetermined. We have free will. But in the context of the movie, they don't.

>>214424683
This.
I became dumber since I learned and started to think in english.

i hate when interesting scifi gets bogged down by retarded emotional character drama.
It almost seems like a requirement at this point with how many screenwriters ruin their movies with it.

>>214425474
>Because real life isn't predetermined. We have free will.

>>214425764
I've seen all the reddit anti-free will arguments friend. We still have free will (except maybe you since you're an NPC).

>>214426015
>my life isn't predetermined because...because it just isn't okay?

idk why people get so flustered with fatalism.
you can still do whatever you want, it won't change anything :)

>>214426068
Damn, you really got me there. Guess I should just go smoke crack and fuck hookers since I don't have free will.

>>214426136
Have fun!

>>214425474
Actually, time didn't exist before the 'Big Bang', so there is no time outside of our universe (is it the only universe, or is there billion of Big Bangs out there?). So for someone outside our universe everything has already happened. We have free will, but it all already happened anyway. We're jut not aware of it.

>>214426136
*sigh*
You have a will. That's why things happened the way they did and the way they will. Just because there is no real time doesn't change that. It's all on you. Your actions are your own. The mistakes are yours a well as the triumphs. It jut o happens that it all happened at once.

>>214424813
Assuming she was able to "choose" (which i think is true, she consciously chooses to flirt with renner at the end knowing what it will lead to) i thought it was pretty obvious that the point is that she chooses to have the kid because its still worth it; better to love and lose than never love at all. And the whole saving the world thing

>>214424638 (OP)
>Why is Amy Adams able to see the future just from learning the aliens' language
try and imagine how incapable you were before you knew english.

>>214426586
But I became dumber when I learned English...

>>214426808
That's your secret. You were always dumb. You are The Imbecile Sulk.

>>214426394
Yes, you have again explained the logic of the movie given the ASSUMPTION that time is pre-written and unchangeable. You have not proven that it is, nor can you, since it's an unfalsifiable hypothesis.

>>214426996
Damn...

>>214426306
>Actually, time didn't exist before the 'Big Bang',
Source : my ass
You just stated with confidence to knowing what went one before this big bang happened. You have no idea, no one does, and for you to start out saying that makes me realize that all you're gonna say is bullshit.

>>214426394
Nah, it's not even about predeterminism, "will" is just your consciousness coping about bodily functions.

>>214427182
Of course we don't know. But we can guess. It worked pretty good for human sciences so far.
Or we'll find that time is the mot important force and that it's the base of everything and that nothing can be outside of time as time is all.

>>214427298
Time Is All. I like that. Cool saying for a future sci-fi time science based religion in a movie.