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Anonymous No.214522881 >>214522969 >>214523013 >>214523017 >>214523020 >>214523090 >>214523199 >>214523346 >>214524733 >>214524993 >>214525070 >>214525633 >>214527297 >>214527393 >>214527532 >>214527636 >>214529234 >>214531258 >>214531449 >>214532416
I really enjoyed The Original Series and I've even rewatched it a few times but the thing is as soon as I try to watch The Next Generation I lose all interest.
Is there something wrong with me or is everything else just bad?
Anonymous No.214522969 >>214527378
>>214522881 (OP)
Literal boomer opinion. My Dad's in his 60s and says the same thing.
Then again my favorite is DS9, I don't have any room to talk.
Anonymous No.214523013 >>214523386 >>214524974
>>214522881 (OP)
Everything after the original series is dogshit.
Anonymous No.214523017 >>214523625 >>214527297
>>214522881 (OP)
>TOS
a western in space
>TNG
80s syndicated action in space
>DS9
soap opera in space
I could go on but I trust my point is clear. The "in space" being removed, you're clearly looking at different genres per show. Maybe you just like westerns.
You might like Farscape.
Anonymous No.214523020
>>214522881 (OP)
Too campy. The movies are all good though, even 3 and 5, which aren't very good but are masterpieces compared to today's gay filth/slop.
Anonymous No.214523090 >>214523139
>>214522881 (OP)
Depnds, if you say the Twilight Zone and Rawhide are you're runner ups, then you're just and old fart boomer.

If not, then it might be the contrast of not being able to seperate them both, sorta like how people a long time ago wanted to drop off Dr. Who whenever a new Doctor is introduced, then fall in love with them and experience the same experience again next regen
Anonymous No.214523139 >>214523159
>>214523090
the Twilight Zone was kino though
Anonymous No.214523158
yes it becomes soulless nerdy dogshit after TOS

some things are cool, like the holodeck, but not really worth watching so much crap
Anonymous No.214523159
>>214523139
Yes but he has a point.
Anonymous No.214523199 >>214524739 >>214527672
>>214522881 (OP)
If you are starting to watch TNG in season 1 you shouldn't. Start watching in season 3 if you want kino.
Anonymous No.214523235 >>214523281
Try watching strange new worlds
Anonymous No.214523281
>>214523235
No chance shill, no chance at all.
Anonymous No.214523346 >>214525486
>>214522881 (OP)
TNG is the PC proto-woke era.
Anonymous No.214523386
>>214523013
No, you just have to look harder to find it. Beverly Crusher fucking a ghost. In the Pale Moonlight. Janeway murdering Tuvix. T'Pol in pon farr.
Anonymous No.214523510 >>214523569
Why did Enterprise only get 4 seasons?
Anonymous No.214523569
>>214523510
Enterprise was less popular than Voyager, which was less popular than DS9, which was less popular than TNG. The franchise had bled too many viewers to stay profitable within the network's expectations.
Anonynous No.214523625 >>214523849
>>214523017
>>TOS
>a western in space
that's actually a really good way to put it.
After watching a boring ass John Wayne movie, I thought to myself 'this is like TOS if it was longer and more drawn out.'
Anonymous No.214523849 >>214524010
>>214523625
Gene Roddenberry literally pitched it as Wagon Train to the stars.
Anonymous No.214524010 >>214524206 >>214524208 >>214524724 >>214524757 >>214527342 >>214527824
>>214523849
Roddenberry had little to do with why Star Trek was a success. He wanted some boring liberal utopia where people evolved passed conflict. Sounds great but boring as fuck. Network wanted a full on space western after seeing the pilot. So there was a compromise between the two. Roddenberry had full control over the Motion Picture and what a shocker, so boring it almost killed Star Trek. So Roddenberry was stripped of creative control and Myers came in and gave us Wrath of Khan. Roddenberry was full on dick to Myers
Anonynous No.214524206 >>214524323 >>214525636
>>214524010
Wrath of Khan was shit.
Anonymous No.214524208
>>214524010
Nobody said he did spaz. Most Roddenberry episodes sucked, with The Menagerie being the notable exception.
Anonymous No.214524230 >>214524308 >>214524501 >>214525028 >>214527874
TOS sucks, and it's for actual boomers. Which says everything you need to know about it.
Anonymous No.214524308
>>214524230
im not even old but it's way better than tng
Anonymous No.214524323
>>214524206
Anonymous No.214524501 >>214524614
>>214524230
TNG is for I fucking love science redditors
TOS actually has soul
Anonymous No.214524614 >>214527055
>>214524501
This. My old man was a huge sci fi nut that grew up on the original. Anything sci fi he loved. And he likes TNG but thought it was too politically correct and thought PIcard was a loser compared to Captain Kirk
Anonymous No.214524664
I like TOS and TNG. I like the campy space-western of TOS, and I like the philosophical pondering of TNG. I think the issue is expecting the same things from both shows. DS9 is ok, but I don't like anything else.
Anonymous No.214524724 >>214526090
>>214524010
>so boring it almost killed Star Trek
and yet it's the highest grossing of the tos films kek
only st4 came close to topping it, none of the others even broke $100 million
Anonymous No.214524733
>>214522881 (OP)
Start with the third season of TNG.
Anonymous No.214524739 >>214524948
>>214523199
>skipping season 2
you should have your drivers license taken away
Anonymous No.214524757
>>214524010
past, zoomer. past.
Anonymous No.214524948 >>214524979
>>214524739
>skipping season 1
you should have your racism license taken away
Anonymous No.214524974
>>214523013
spbp. TOS is fun to watch, TNG is a fucking bore, and when the problems started.
Anonymous No.214524979 >>214525061
>>214524948
you
>offended by the portrayal of spaceniggers
me
>offended by a woman being head of security
we are not the same
Anonymous No.214524993 >>214525134 >>214525347
>>214522881 (OP)
TNG is both softer and more dull than TOS
Notice the TOS bridge. Kirk can see every station and reach them himself, which he does on occasion. Meanwhile Picard can't even see the security station. You subconsciously notice this lack of attention to detail.
The characters in TOS have more personality, and can disagree without creating conflict.
Anonymous No.214525028 >>214525139 >>214525157
>>214524230
>didn't learn the folly of racism from a crudely painted Frank Gorshin

ngmi
Anonymous No.214525061 >>214525099
>>214524979
Turnabout Intruder established that women can't be captains. That's good enough for me. Meanwhile female bodyguards were good enough for Gaddafi.
Anonymous No.214525070 >>214525098
>>214522881 (OP)
You like action. There is nothing wrong with that.
TNG can have drama, but there's not a lot of action.
Anonymous No.214525098 >>214525155
>>214525070
Have you even watched TOS? It's mainly talking. There isn't that much action.
Anonymous No.214525099
>>214525061
would
Anonymous No.214525134
>>214524993
THIS.
Anonymous No.214525139
>>214525028
>Didn't learn that being black on the left side are space jews that destroy civilizations.
were we even watching the same show?
Anonymous No.214525149 >>214525273 >>214525301
I felt the same way when I was first going through the series. TOS has a comfy "family" type of feel to it with Kirk, Bones, and Spock which is lost when going to TNG. TNG is more formal plus theres a stupid fucking kid, but you would do yourself a disservice by not watching TNG, you just have to know that it starts off rough but its not worth skipping through seasons, just power through them.

Eventually once you get to DS9 though, youll get that family feel again, though its more dysfunctional, but thats what makes it good. It's not the same as TOS, but it isnt bad because of that.
Anonymous No.214525155 >>214525169 >>214527909
>>214525098
Every other episode included some kind of literal fight scene--like fist-fighting fighting. Not three squirts of a mix-master phaser and then someone give up.
Anonymous No.214525157
>>214525028
the filter on this gives it that gloss AI look
Anonymous No.214525169
>>214525155
Yes, a scene. It's not the focus of the episode.
Anonymous No.214525273
>>214525149
That's a good point. In TNG they're coworkers who don't really seem to reveal their inner selves to each other. There's no equivalent of O'Brien and Bashir, not even O'Brien himself on TNG
Anonymous No.214525301 >>214525391
>>214525149
i just looked up ds9 and it's literally this meme
you really want me to suffer dont you?
Anonymous No.214525347 >>214525440
>>214524993
Another sci-fi difference. In TOS the warp travel streaks are explicitly identified as interstellar dust, visible under high blueshift, and the deflector dish is for safely identifying and deflecting these. It makes sense.
In TNG they appear to be stars, which makes no sense. When they drop out of warp the streaks settle into the star field. But this is impossible, they're not travelling so fast that stars would go zipping by in seconds like that.
Anonymous No.214525391
>>214525301
Youd have to be a retard to think that Sisko isnt on the same level as Kirk and Picard.
Anonymous No.214525436 >>214525519 >>214526637 >>214527082
Sisko doesn't entertain bullshit the way Kirk and Picard do. He has a dead wife you think he gives a fuck?
Anonymous No.214525440 >>214525462
>>214525347
maybe it's an optical effect brought on by their mass increasing, gravitational lense effect.
Anonymous No.214525462
>>214525440
You can headcanon it that way, but in TOS the designers thought carefully about the realities of the situation. In TNG they just tossed in some effects that looked cool.
Anonymous No.214525486
>>214523346
TNG is space communism that promotes all cultures being free to become white.
Anonymous No.214525519 >>214525565 >>214525616 >>214527363
>>214525436
Oh I'm sorry what bullshit does Kirk entertain? You mean every time he blows up a computer to release sentient people from its control? Fuck first and ask questions later of every woman in the galaxy? What bullshit does he entertain?
Anonymous No.214525565 >>214525663 >>214525728
>>214525519
>Fuck first and ask questions later of every woman in the galaxy?
oh look it's another fag who never actually watched Star Trek. so tiresome.
Anonymous No.214525616 >>214525663 >>214525728
>>214525519
>Fuck first and ask questions later of every woman in the galaxy?
This never takes place even once in TOS
Anonymous No.214525633
>>214522881 (OP)
I watched some TNG today but my favorite part of trek is the Spock and Bones banter. The TOS characters have better chemistry even though the TNG characters might be better individually.
Anonymous No.214525636
>>214524206
Roddenberry's idea was worse
>what if spock went back in time and shot JFK?
Anonymous No.214525663 >>214525776 >>214525844 >>214525873
>>214525616
>>214525565
Ok not literally but figuratively.
Anonymous No.214525728
>>214525565
>>214525616
Ooh look how triggered you are. So you don't have an answer as to what "bullshit" Kirk tolerated.
Anonymous No.214525776
>>214525663
>picks fight with immortal being that they need to create a macguffin medicine for some robot pussy.
Anonymous No.214525844
>>214525663
>Facing court-martial for the death of an officer, all he can think about is dipping his pen in some lawyer pussy
Anonymous No.214525873 >>214526044
>>214525663
>In the greatest episode of TOS, Kirk faces the existential crisis of pounding pussy or restoring history.
Anonymous No.214525940
Kirk won
Anonymous No.214525959
Watch Star Trek Continues, a surprisingly well-done fan sequel to TOS. It blows nu-trek out of the water. They reuse actual TOS sets and props, which adds a level of authenticity. The whole season is on YouTube.

ep1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G-ziTBAkbQ

They planned to make more than one season, but the creator got MeToo'd (all allegations were eventually dropped).
Anonymous No.214525963 >>214525980 >>214526067
best character in the franchise coming through
Anonymous No.214525980
>>214525963
pleb choice. best character in all of Star Trek is Nog
Anonymous No.214526044
>>214525873
>Kirk faces the existential crisis of pounding pussy or restoring history
Anonymous No.214526067 >>214527096
>>214525963
No fan service no ratings
Anonymous No.214526090 >>214526161
>>214524724
Other factors were involved, for instance, by the time it came out trek fans had been trekless for 10 years, so most of the draw was the desire to see their old friends again.
Anonymous No.214526161 >>214527351
>>214526090
They had to wait until the late 70s to make TMP or they could never have dressed Bones like this.
Anonymous No.214526637
>>214525436
Poor captain by ST standards. Never outclasses the competition.
Anonymous No.214527055
>>214524614
Picard is probably the weakest captain, in that he never really had the same level of moral issues that Archer, Sisko, or even Kirk had thrown at them.
Anonymous No.214527082
>>214525436
>Q fucks with Picard all the time
>tried fucking with Sisko once, got punched in the jaw, leaves and never comes back
Anonymous No.214527096
>>214526067
>T'Pol
Sorry, for me it was always Hoshi.
Anonymous No.214527119
I would've liked to have seen more of Andrea dromm but I guess she quit hollywood almost immediately because she hated it there. She only has 2 other movies aside from the one star trek appearance.
Anonymous No.214527297
>>214522881 (OP)
I love both shows, but while there are plenty of TOS episodes you could easily tweak into TNG episodes and vice versa, the shows overall are surprisingly different.

TOS is a little more freewheeling and adventurous even when it's being thoughtful; >>214523017 is right. TNG has episodes that are like that, but on the whole it's more interested in cultural and character dynamics, which is how it managed to juggle such a large cast while developing them (other than Crusher, who manages to suck ass the whole way through). Sulu and Chekov are more iconic by proximity than by the material. They don't have entire character journeys or even dedicated episodes the way Worf or Data do. TOS is really the Kirk/Spock/McCoy show.

I think another big difference is that by the time TNG was produced Star Trek as a brand had become so large that it was actually self-conscious in a way that TOS never was, for both good and for bad.
Anonymous No.214527342
>>214524010
>Roddenberry had full control over the Motion Picture and what a shocker, so boring it almost killed Star Trek.
I love TMP, and I say that with TOS being my favorite Star Trek series. TMP is my favorite Star Trek movie without question.
Anonymous No.214527351
>>214526161
>Spock, you pointy-eared square, what you call irrational is what I call the groove that keeps humanity boogieing.
Anonymous No.214527363 >>214527488
>>214525519
>Oh I'm sorry what bullshit does Kirk entertain?
Trelane, the Gorn, Landrew, Spock's PonFar, Klingons, Tribbles, Blaalok, Roger Corby, the Companion, the M5 computer, Nomad, the Gamesters of Triskelion, the Planet Killer, George Takei's off-screen sexual advances... Just to name a few.
Anonymous No.214527378
>>214522969
DS9 is fantastic. And If OP doesnt like TNG he is probably struggling with first season.
Anonymous No.214527393
>>214522881 (OP)
Everything that came after TOS just exists to repeat it. You may hate the kelvinverse trilogy but that was the true and modern successor.
Anonymous No.214527394 >>214527500
Greatest Starfleet captain ever coming through
Anonymous No.214527488
>>214527363
he literally genocides all of those
Anonymous No.214527500 >>214527531
>>214527394
wrong
Anonymous No.214527531 >>214527554
>>214527500
He was never a Starfleet captain
Anonymous No.214527532 >>214529473 >>214529487
>>214522881 (OP)
You should watch Strange New World. Literal TOS boomers love this.
Anonymous No.214527547 >>214527568
The world itself got way more boring between the 60s and the 80s, TNG just accurately reflects a professional work environment of its time.
Anonymous No.214527554 >>214527610
>>214527531
He was a Federation Captain
Anonymous No.214527568
>>214527547
Naw. It’s what Roddenberry wanted. His whole hippy liberal utopia where people are so evolved they all for along
Anonymous No.214527610
>>214527554
He was a flunky merchant marine. Garth was a decorated Captain that invented abs executed military strategies Kirk studied. And killed a shit ton of Klingons. Ok, so he wanted to genocide an entire planet, mistakes happen
Anonymous No.214527636 >>214527729
>>214522881 (OP)
The first season of TNG is abysmal and the second season of TNG is partly abysmal.
This is why I was still somewhat sympathetic towards the absolute train wreck that was Discovery, since traditionally most trek shows are shit in the first season.
Which sympathy they did threw away, since it stayed shit in the following ones.
Strange New Worlds is an outliar in that the first season is the best thing they did since Enterprise, but then the second and third were not really good.
Only TOS is good on a consistent basis from the first to last season, which is why people tend to prefer it overall over TNG, since TNG has one very bad and one partly bad season and despite Season 3 to 7 being top tier quality wise, even there you have absolute dogshit like "Sub Rosa" from Season 7 thrown in (which even was a Jonathan Frakes episode, who is usually one of the best series directors).
Anonymous No.214527672
>>214523199
this
Anonymous No.214527729 >>214531671
>>214527636
> The first season of TNG is abysmal and the second season of TNG is partly abysmal.

It only got better after Roddenberry died.
Anonymous No.214527824 >>214527931 >>214528032
>>214524010
TMP is the only Star Trek movie that stood the test of time and is still rewatchable, it is also the only Star Trek movie period, since Star Trek in movie form can only be something like 2001 to stay true to the overall philosophy of the franchise.
Meanwhile all the TOS films after aged like crap and you basically watch senior citizens try to relive their youth and the TNG movies have nothing to do with regarding the show (except for Nemesis, surprisingly, which stays more true to the show, but is also fucking boring and really badly written).
Anonymous No.214527874
>>214524230
TRUTH NUKE

LITERAL BOOMERS ITT DENY THAT TNG MOGS TOS LMAO POP YOUR PREVAGEN AND WATCH IT AGAIN OLD TIMERS IT FUCKING SUCKS
Anonymous No.214527909
>>214525155
The greatest episode of all 3 seasons is one with nothing but dialogue, the one where the theater actor on the ship was actually a violent mass murdering dictator.
Anonymous No.214527931 >>214528050
>>214527824
Oh fuck off. Star Trek 6 is the best Trek movie made
Anonymous No.214528032 >>214528077
>>214527824
2-4 form a coherent trilogy addressing the aging of the crew
5 is the only one that tries to be business as usual, and is the closest to a regular TOS episode
Anonymous No.214528050
>>214527931
I love Christopher Plummer in it and you are right, that is probably at least the second best Trek movie and it's the only one where it doesn't feel like senior citizens on a holiday trip, they are their appropriate ages and positions, it's not Sulu in his 60s still being a bridge officer.
So you are correct in hindsight, it's between TMP and Undiscovered Country.
Anonymous No.214528077
>>214528032
2-4 I didn't liked when I rewatched them, also 4 started the bullshit trend of "In the future there is no money" while they explicitly mention salaries in the show.
Anonymous No.214529044
Final Frontier is not that bad
Anonymous No.214529234 >>214529453 >>214529550
>>214522881 (OP)

Finally someone shares my sentiment!

TOS is amazing, it has the right balance of hard sci-fi, action and adventure and quippy humor

Next Generation went wayyy too hard on the sci-fi angle and everyone in it acts like a robot (I'm surprised no one ever talks about how dull all the characters are).
It's so funny to me how they constantly try to pass off Data as this weird emotionless robot when the people aroind him are arguably more bland and robot-like.

Bottom line, can't top TOS for me
Anonymous No.214529453
>>214529234
this
Anonymous No.214529473
>>214527532
Fuck that garbage
Anonymous No.214529487
>>214527532
based
Anonymous No.214529508 >>214529520
Kek this thread is just the nutrek spammer
Anonymous No.214529520
>>214529508
ToS mogs you
Anonymous No.214529550 >>214529575
>>214529234
I feel that next gen wasn't real sci fi. It's just vague nonsense about non-existent particles or energies. TOS was closer to hard sci-fi
Anonymous No.214529575 >>214529808
>>214529550
TOS had you finding new aliens and fucking them but TNG was just a bunch of gay niggas talking about how smart they are
Anonymous No.214529808
>>214529575
Rlm called it "competency porn"
Anonymous No.214529928
Nutrek is garbage and nobody watches it.
Fuck strange nutrek, STD, SPIC, and trek and morty.
Anonymous No.214531258
>>214522881 (OP)
You're a man of taste. Pulp is always better than "high concept".
Anonymous No.214531449 >>214531540
>>214522881 (OP)
Same. They keep saying it gets better but I can't sit through seasons of garbage, I'm still stuck in season 1 of TNG and it's just super boring and generic
Anonymous No.214531540
>>214531449
It gets exciting in Season 2 and actually good in Season 3
Only reason the show didn't immidiately got cancelled after the first abysmal season was because of the brand name and that it was basically out of competition in the late 80s, there wasn't anything like TNG that aired, so they had success.
Anonymous No.214531671 >>214531789
>>214527729
Roddenberry died in season 5.
Anonymous No.214531789 >>214531823
>>214531671
Wrong
Roddenberry died October 1991
So 4 months before the season 2 episode "The Measure of a Man" aired (basically the first actual good TNG episode).
Anonymous No.214531823 >>214531888 >>214531890
>>214531789
>"The Measure of a Man" is the ninth episode of the second season of the American science-fiction television series Star Trek: The Next Generation, the 35th episode overall. It was originally released on February 13, 1989,[1]

>"Hero Worship" is the 111th episode of the syndicated American science fiction television series Star Trek: The Next Generation. This is the 11th episode of the fifth season, directed by series castmember Patrick Stewart (Captain Jean-Luc Picard). Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry – by this time no longer involved in production – died during the filming of this episode.[1]
Anonymous No.214531888
>>214531823
Wasn't he out of the picture earlier than that?
Anonymous No.214531890 >>214531908
>>214531823
Kek, I didn't realize they pre produced it years ahead, Season 5 came out in 1994 and Roddenberry was already 3 years dead by this point.
So I get it that they filmed the season several years before they even aired?
Anonymous No.214531908
>>214531890
Oh wait, my bad, I went according to the GERMAN air time, season 2 was already in 1989
You are correct, I am wrong.
Anonymous No.214531991 >>214532579
>Captain, we are approaching kepler 2d18b. Spectrograph scans indicate presense of dimethyl sulfide.
>If I remember correctly, Mr Data, that molecule is only produced by living organisms? Initiate subspace scan.
>Already done, Captain. Long range scans reveal the planet is inhabited by humanoids.
>Civilization status?
>Advanced, circa 21st century Earth.
>Any outstanding features?
>Captain, they appear to be.. all females.
>First Officer redirect course to the Kepler 2d18b immediately.
>Yes, sir.
>Data, you say, all females?
>Yes sir, all about 6 to 7 feet tall, with quite shapely assesnand tits, hough there are two kinds. One kind has giant clitorises, about 4-5 inches erect. Pseudo-penises. The other does not.
>First officer *sweats* E-ETA?
>1 hour, Captain. Would you like me to arrange a boarding party?
>N-no.. I'm going in alone. Captain's perogative.
>Captain, I would not recommend this action. It is in brea-
>DAMN THE PROTOCOL, DATA
Anonymous No.214532416
>>214522881 (OP)
TNG is Trek for creepy guys who post their disturbing sexual fantasies here. Tyler Robinson? Big TNG fan. Huge.
femanon !M6R0eWkIpk No.214532579
>>214531991
based